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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Handicapping cloud computing: The big picture

By | December 12, 2008, 4:17am PST

Summary: Cloud computing isn’t going to dominate the tech landscape, but will raise a ruckus for software vendors. Google and Amazon will be cloud computing winners, but the spoils will be relatively small. And there’s a race to deliver a cloud developer stack for both consumers and enterprise customers. Those are some of the key takeaways from [...]

Cloud computing isn’t going to dominate the tech landscape, but will raise a ruckus for software vendors. Google and Amazon will be cloud computing winners, but the spoils will be relatively small. And there’s a race to deliver a cloud developer stack for both consumers and enterprise customers.

Those are some of the key takeaways from a Bernstein Report dubbed “The Long View: Netbooks, Wireless and Cloud Computing — Client Software’s Imperfect Storm.”

The report, which I mentioned in my Microsoft analysis Thursday, is notable because it maps out the cloud landscape and puts Amazon in its place. Bernstein analyst Jeffrey Lindsay notes that Amazon’s much ballyhooed cloud computing efforts–S3, EC2 et al–are more about the “gee whiz factor” and portraying the company as something more than an e-tailer than really delivering revenue.

“Although Amazon was arguably a pioneer of cloud web services and some analysts got swept up in the “Books to Bits” hype we think the revenues generated by Amazon’s web services are effectively negligible,” writes Lindsay in a research note.

But before we get into that discussion. Let’s outline the landscape. Lindsay has cooked up this helpful chart that lines up the cloud stack that various vendors are trying to build. While Lindsay forgot a few vendors the chart provides a handy overview:

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What’s notable is how much Sun has been a player in cloud infrastructure yet has failed to capitalize. Aside from Lindsay’s chart, the report doesn’t mention Sun again. Much of the focus is on Amazon, Google and Microsoft. Bottom line: Microsoft will take a hit from cloud computing and software as a service, but not as much as folks think.

Among the takeaways from the report:

Sure, SaaS is taking share in human resources and customer relationship management software, but only 10 percent of companies manage their documents online. Most prefer Word and Excel, note Lindsay. Will that change? A bit. Lindsay expects Microsoft’s Office to remain dominant. The reasons Office will stay entrenched are interesting. Lindsay writes:

While Google Apps and Open Office from Sun have almost all of the functionality of Microsoft’s Office the conversion of documents is still not 100% effective, although Open Office comes very close indeed.  In a recent test Open Office could easily open a Word version of one of our published notes with formatting that was over 98% accurate.  Open Office could similarly open one of our financial models written in Excel - over 3Mb, and using a variety of Microsoft functions with iterative calculation.  Once again the document opened almost perfectly but a minor change was needed to ensure the model converged properly.  Google Docs did less well and could not handle the Excel model but opened our Word note and preserved about 90% of the formatting. Even though these programs are very nearly comparable in functionality and can offer additional functionality in terms of allowing users to simultaneously edit documents – which the client versions of Word and Excel cannot do – we still perceive considerable reluctance on the part of users and IT Departments to use them.  Our own IT department cited several compliance and security issues mitigating against the use of Open Office and Google Apps  – some of them inaccurate – even though termination of our corporate contract with Microsoft would save a considerable sum of money.

The hangup: Companies don’t want to rebuild templates, convert existing spreadsheets and question future support for open source document formats.

Cloud computing isn’t everything. Lindsay writes:

We expect the software and applications environment to remain heterogeneous for the foreseeable future – more in line with Microsoft’s vision than Google’s. We disagree with the “computers as a utility” and “device as dumb terminal” models where all applications run in the cloud largely on the grounds that even today’s best networks are 100% available and reliable and that devices still perform vastly better when they have at least some of their own processing power – taking some of the load off the online processing and connection and allowing processing to continue when the devices themselves are not connected.”

Google Apps: Interesting but not a huge business. Lindsay notes:

Early assessments of Google’s revenue potential from cloud computing were, we believe, greatly exaggerated.  Some even speculated that Google’s cloud computing revenues could overtake its paid search advertising business.  While we think that Google’s efforts in the cloud space and initiatives such as Google Apps will appeal to consumers and small enterprises we do not expect that they will displace more than 10% of Microsoft’s Office software franchise at best.  Even apportioning a degree of incremental Google search revenue to the increased web traffic arising from use of Google Apps we do not expect Google Apps revenues to exceed $1.5 billion by 2012.

What’s the problem? Focus. Lindsay gives Google Apps props for the Postini purchase and landing government and educational accounts. But “there are already signs that its product development team seems to be committing their familiar mistake of failing to improve its products sufficiently to fend off its competitors.  Google lost its first trophy account, GE with 400,000 seats, to start-up ZoHo in September.”

And finally Amazon Web Services has a big opportunity, but is really chump change through 2012. Lindsay writes:

Although S3 is one of approximately 20 identifiable services, including infrastructure services (e.g. Elastic Compute Cloud or EC2, SimpleDB, Cloudfront and Simple Queue Service); payment & billing services (Amazon Flexible Payments Service and Amazon DevPay); ondemand workforce services (e.g., Mechanical Turk); and Web Search (e.g. Alexa Web Search and Information Services), we doubt they will as currently configured generate even $50 million per year by 2012. This compares with Amazon’s retail revenues for 2008 which are expected to be $19 billion and expected to reach approximately $30 billion by 2012.

Here is a look at Lindsay’s guesstimates for S3 revenue, which is lumped into the “other” category, which includes Web Services, Kindle and other stuff, on Amazon’s earnings statement.

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Instead of a hard return, Lindsay surmises that Amazon is following the Web services path for more soft benefits.

In summary we think Amazon’s Web Services are not a major growth or revenue generator for the company.  Instead they provide benefits such as PR positioning of Amazon as a “Technology” company rather than simply an online retailer.  They also provide interesting projects for Amazon’s developers – who otherwise would be primarily confined to developing the shopping platform.  This we think enables Amazon to attract a higher caliber of engineers and developers than its competitors such as eBay.

That final point is very interesting–especially for someone like me firmly entrenched on the Amazon Web Services bandwagon. Makes you go hmmm as you ponder Amazon’s motives with its web services foray.

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RE: Handicapping cloud computing: The big picture
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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Can Microsoft leverage Windows and Office?
Anton Philidor 12th Dec 2008
Yes, using the internet for features which are adjuncts and supplements to Windows and Office will prevent loss of market share. The 10% reduction seen is anti-Microsoft optimism.

But the more important question is whether new products made for Microsoft's internet capabilities and functionality will generate substantial additional revenues for Microsoft and third parties.

It's easily possible that Office-related functionality will make Microsoft the most profitable provider of services on the internet. Without harming desktop revenues, of course. Google's main non-advertising success may be preparing new sales opportunities for Microsoft.
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Do they offer now or plan to offer...
storm14k 12th Dec 2008
...actually Office functionality on the web. The last time I looked at Office live it was more like a storage and viewing point for Office docs than it was a point for editing and creation. Google on the other hand stores and allows you to edit and create. I have found Google's tools useful for working with my group when we have a meeting and want to collaborate on a document in real time. When we're done we can all save it down to our local machines (no matter what we are running...Window...Linux) so that its backed up.

Now I could be wrong about MS but the only benefit I see there is a button in Office to publish to their service. I'd trade that for the live editing capability anyday.
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Sorry but you are in a tiny minority
No_Ax_to_Grind 14th Dec 2008
As the article made obvious.
While waiting 30+ seconds for MS Outlook Exchange to refresh my email folders, I can:

read this blog,
check my email at Google,
check Yahoo News, and
do several other things.

I would say that MS is *well* positioned to take charge in the future of cloud computing... (sarcasm). Microsoft can't even get the desktop and intranet environments to work right.

Today, Google's Picasa sorted through all of the pictures in my web albums and identified faces and helped me to tag pictures by who was in them... in about 5 minutes. That's the sort of magic that Microsoft has *never* had.

Buy a Mac.
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Paid hobbyists
Anton Philidor 12th Dec 2008
This statement is probably as true of Google as of Amazon:

They also provide interesting projects for Amazon???s developers ??? who otherwise would be primarily confined to developing the shopping platform. This we think enables Amazon to attract a higher caliber of engineers and developers than its competitors such as eBay.

[End quote]

Do you think that Google and Amazon will be as glad to let employees entertain themselves during a business downturn?
I have been following cloud computing and I believe it will end up a niche product.
My prediction is it will grow in the consumer space before seeing any growth in the corporate space.

Core weaknesses in the idea of the cloud are easier to over look for individuals, especially uninformed individuals.

Many corporations and users are looking at the cloud because it is an attractive platform. However, the hidden costs really out weight the benefits.

The big one is data ownership. If you create a financial spread sheet with online-Excel, is it still yours? If a competitor is debating whether to sue you or not can they end run around discovery by sending a subpoena to Microsoft? Can Google in the spirit of cooperation give your data to a foreign government?
What if you keep your Research and Development on the cloud? Do you get to keep the Intellectual Property rights if it turns out to be a big money making product? Will you have to share profits from ideas with hosting companies?

How about tech support? Amazon doesn't have the greatest track record for it. Realistically does Microsoft want to pay for the staff and resources it would take to keep it's online products stable for a reasonable amount of time with minimal down time?

What about long term data storage? Xdrive went out of business and gave their users 48 hours to retrieve their data before the servers were taken off line.

Long term data accessibility? If you create a document today and by some miracle the storage company is still in business 6 years from now and you need to read that old document, will the format still be supported? Will the format be automatically updated for you? Will old document readers be maintained so you can access your old files?

Then there is the question of data maintenance. Who is responsible for backing up the cloud data? A lot of the vendors believe it is you the consumer's problem. Great. Now I have to spend money on a back up service which will cut into the supposed savings of going on the cloud in the first place.
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It's interesting that some of the reports argument don't support their key points. From this prospective it almost doesn't matter whether GE picked Zoho or Google, what matters is that it's in replacement of Microsoft Office. It's hard to not see it as a move towards Cloud Computing:-)
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On Google Apps: Interesting but not a huge business

Refer: http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2008/10/google-microsoft-and-amazon-ibm.html

The approach is is you go bottom up. get small business and then go Enterprise. For small business you need Massive Adoption and then switching the Enterprise will happen in 1 year. Your point about GE going to ZoHo - only illustrates to me that Google is not targeting the Enterprise right now. ZoHo might have been more flexible and accomodating to GE's specific needs and hence might have clicked the deal. Google on the other hand might have said - We are the same to all our customers
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Overthinking if you ask me...
storm14k 12th Dec 2008
The "cloud" thing is nothing more than a rehash of the crap load of hosting that already goes on coupled with additional service based tools, dynamic provisioning and a modified pricing plan. There will always be small and medium businesses (and hell large ones too) that don't want to maintain their own servers. There will always be web based companies that need to be hosted for the sake of bandwidth and power factors. These cloud offerings are just an evolution on hosting and are neither the next BIG thing nor destined to fail nor any more of a security risk than any other hosting solution thats been going on since who knows when.
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It seems that the "leading" cloud players you note all have alternative core sources of revenue (Google in search, Amazon in books, etail; and Microsoft).

Greg
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That's What People Want
jabailo1 12th Dec 2008
What people want is a dumb terminal. They want to buy a screen basically, plug it in, and have it search the airwaves for Internet content.

Probably a touch screen, then add a remote control with a laser pointer. Then add a wireless mouse and keyboard.

They don't want a CPU in their home except to manage the video feed and keystrokes over the wimax connection. A netbook on the road needs to be always on, always connected to 100 percent wimax (like a cell phone).

As far as the argument for self contained interactive computing w/out network -- it barely exists any more in the home. A computer w/o internet connectivity is like a cell phone without service or a TV with no cable or antenna.

Even the creative types how use Photoshop and blog are now highly intertwined into Google, image libraries, research, blogging sites...

Maybe, someday, if AI actually lives up to its promise, and the PC becomes a creative source of entertainment in its own right, where programs spontaneously generate sitcoms and games and bots are as good as net buddies...
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"While Google Apps and Open Office from Sun have almost all of the functionality of Microsoft???s Office"

Open Office may have much of the functionality, but Google Apps has a long ways to go.

And to be honest, I just want this "cloud computing" stuff to be a fad. Sure, it's fun, but I wanna be able to get stuff done offline and I really don't see the point of doing it online.
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Building your own cloud
ThinkFairer 12th Dec 2008
You may also built your own cloud computing platform using software such as ThinServer XP

http://www.aikotech.com/thinserver.htm
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Your math is wrong
siverson914 13th Dec 2008
Given your assumptions, that would be ~$7.5M revenue
for Q4 2008 (3 months, not 1 month).

Plus, my understanding was their revenue was even
higher than that. Perhaps your average file size
estimate is low?
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what the cloud should be
tmc2k 13th Dec 2008
Amazon is best positioned for the kind of cloud computing that users will ultimately demand.

Cloud computing will be a small business if many of the current approaches are continued by vendors.
Amazon's approach is customer centric. They could win by supporting multiple stacks.

MSFT is off base with its first entry as a "cloud OS". Here is my 2c on that.
http://blog.thommccann.com/2008/11/microsoft-windows-azure.html
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Rewriting the Cloud Chart
amywohl 17th Dec 2008
Charts are always highly subjective, but there is lots left out here -- IBM, for example, offers both its own SaaS applications (from Lotus) as well as hosting partner applications and offers Symphony (a version of OpenOffice).

There is also a more general issue which is have we decided that cloud computing is SaaS? Contains SaaS? I wasn't sure we had.
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MS just released thier BPOS suite (not mentioned here), which includes hosted Exchange, hosted Live Meeting, hosted OCS 2007, and hosted MOSS 2007. They have options for mail archiving, spam filtering and many other things. They have recently invested billions of dollars into new datacenters to host these, with an international footprint. I think MS is being underestimated in this space. They don't offer just Office applications.
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if a manager thinks in terms of corporate brand insstead of next quarter's ebidta, which, actually is what managers are supposed to be doing, then


"Google lost its first trophy account, GE with 400,000 seats,"
can be rewritten to "goog is doing experiments with ge on distriburted netowrks which are likely to create a power grid management software partnership."
does anybody bother to think that goog doesn;t care about aps, but instead about managing real time communication of supply/demand over a distance; therefore all these projects are field tests for switching logic?
evidently not.
what does goog or amazon gain from "th cloud"? more real time, metrickable data about the marketplace.
"soft profits" is imho a poor understanding of "social capital", which is referenced in :"enables Amazon to attract a higher caliber of engineers and developers than its competitors such as eBay."
:"confined to developing the shopping platform"
a "perfect" shopping platform would, as a laffable hypothetical, have sufficient information about people's ability to buy a car 3 months from now that it could be playing aluminum futures as a revenue generator.
a hypothetical route to that point might hypothetically include having home budgets calculated throgh the "cloud", woth the cloud being able to recall (with..lol."privacy") which netbooks are making the calls, other buying behaviours, and therefore knowing on what day to start showing what colour/make/model/trim auto ad back to that netbook.
if one wishes to handicap cloud computing, one does not depend on bean counters, but instead on bean planters.


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