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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

HP: Mark Hurd is violating our trade secrets as part of Oracle

By | September 7, 2010, 11:38am PDT

Summary: A day after becoming Oracle’s co-president, Mark Hurd is facing a lawsuit from Hewlett-Packard over trade secrets and confidentiality agreements.

Updated: A day after becoming Oracle’s co-president, Mark Hurd is facing a lawsuit from Hewlett-Packard over trade secrets and confidentiality agreements.

The lawsuit was filed in Santa Clara County in California. Non-compete clauses generally don’t hold up in California. However, HP is alleging that Hurd has trade secrets and can hurt the company’s business. Hurd resigned from HP last month following a sexual harassment probe. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison defended Hurd and then quickly hired him.

In a blog post, HP said:

Despite being paid millions of dollars in cash, stock and stock options in exchange for Hurd’s agreements to protect HP’s trade secrets and confidential information during his employment and following his departure from his positions at HP as Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer, and President, HP is informed and believes and thereon alleges that Hurd has put HP’s most valuable trade secrets and confidential information in peril.  Hurd accepted positions with Oracle Corporation (“Oracle”), a competitor of HP, yesterday as its President and as a member of its Board of Directors.  In his new positions, Hurd will be in a situation in which he cannot perform his duties for Oracle without necessarily using and disclosing HP’s trade secrets and confidential information to others.

According to HP’s complaint, the company is seeking an injunction “to protect its trade secrets and confidential information.” HP is arguing that there’s no way that Hurd will be able to meet his confidentiality responsibilities as part of Oracle. Hurd walked away with a severance payment of more than $12 million as well as stock. The total package could be worth more than $30 million at HP’s current stock price. Here’s a look at the key excerpt:

Among HP’s primary beefs with Hurd’s move to Oracle:

  • Hurd has information about HP’s employees and how they are ranked.
  • Has knowledge of HP’s proprietary designs and supplier relationships.
  • Is under a bevy of non-disclosure agreements.
  • Can’t solicit HP employees, customers and suppliers.
  • And knows all about HP’s future plans and roadmaps.

In other words, HP also jabs at Hurd’s omission of his old company when talking about Oracle’s Exadata machine.

In Hurd’s separation agreement, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the key item appears to be this clause.

“Continuing Obligations.    You acknowledge and affirm your continuing obligations under the HP Agreement Regarding Confidential Information and Proprietary Developments you signed on February 6, 2008, February 26, 2009 and February 12, 2010, (the “Confidentiality Agreements”); provided, however, that you hereby agree that Section 7 of the Confidentiality Agreement (Protective Covenants) shall apply for the period of twenty-four (24) months commencing on the Separation Date and; provided, further, that you agree that Section 2 of the Confidentiality Agreement (Confidential Information) shall apply at all times following the Separation Date”.

Oracle had to see this lawsuit coming and assumed Hurd wouldn’t be hit by any injunction HP may bring.

HP is seeking damages, an injunction and attorney fees.

Oracle has responded to the HP lawsuit against Hurd. Here’s what Oracle said:

“Oracle has long viewed HP as an important partner,” said Oracle CEO Larry Ellison. “By filing this vindictive lawsuit against Oracle and Mark Hurd, the HP board is acting with utter disregard for that partnership, our joint customers, and their own shareholders and employees.   The HP Board is making it virtually impossible for Oracle and HP to continue to cooperate and work together in the IT marketplace.”

More coverage:

Here’s the complaint:

Court Filing: HP Civil Complaint Against Mark Hurd

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RE: HP: Mark Hurd is violating our trade secrets as part of Oracle
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Your website is in fact very good! How mulberry bags can I create a solitary similar to this?
After all, C level jobs aren't all that common, and a place like Oracle is the dead-end for what washes up on the beach...

As for HP, maybe he should counter sue for wanton endangerment and enslavement. At least it would be more diverting than Oracle's other products! (chuckle)
@wolf_z You don't sound jealous at all.
HP is crying like a baby. Their board made a horrible decision when they cut him loose. So what's Mark Hurd supposed to do now? Put his brain in a jar and not use his experience or knowledge for his new employer?
@JenniferWeb
Duh........yes???
Why do you think they gave him 11 million when he left!! Screw this jerk, I think he should have to live on an island for 2 years with no human contact. He has plenty of money, just take a year off and/or do some good "honest" work for once in his life.
@SteelTrepid

Duh..... NO! Damned well no! The fact is that JenniferWeb is right, these idiots are basically expecting this man to put his brain into a jar and not use it for his new employer, and that is NOT right.

In fact, I'll be blunt: I am for making a PUBLIC COMPANY having any 'trade secrets' illegal, because it stifles innovation.
@JenniferWeb he shuld of thought of that when he signed a confidentiality agreement. Not to mention when he cashed the severence package check.
@Al_nyc So you're saying that HP has always been a bunch of good kids who played by the rules?
As much as anyone says "screw him" it just doesn't work that way in the real world. He's not going to just give up and live on the money hes made in the past. That would mean a big change in lifestyle- things like bills to pay for mansions, mistresses to pay off and keep happy, wife to keep occupied, that sort of thing.
To carry the metaphor a little further, HP just yelled "NO FAIR" and went to tell the teacher on him.
www.dfwsupergeek.com
So what's Mark Hurd supposed to do now? Put his brain in a jar and not use his experience or knowledge for his new employer?

If he can manage to pull his brain from his pants for a spell, he could jump aboard his sailing yacht with a high priced call girl - or some new bimbo mistress since his wife is obviously yesterday's news - and proceed to burn away the countless millions he pilfered from the hard work of others who make up the rank and file at HP.

It'd be a real shame to waste all of that experience and knowledge he possesses in the field of self enrichment -- and leading by non-example. Don't let it end there Mark, the peons are counting on you!
@klumper,
Great post. Not only do you owe me a new keyboard, wink your comment is 100% on target for the HP Board's pattern of creating SCANDALOUS compensation packages for ex-CEO's.
@JenniferWeb
Right said. It was a worst decision to oust him and now crying foul ! poor guys at HP
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yes?
zdnet-registraion 8th Sep 2010
@JenniferWeb

Why did he sign the contract if he didn't want to abide by it? If anything, i think he should give back the hush money if he isn't going to abide by the agreement. If i'm held to stupid EULAs, why doesn't the same apply to him when he gets $18M?
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Um, what are you talking about?
naibeeru Updated - 15th Sep 2010
@JenniferWeb
I'm not sure what planet you live on, but on the one called "Earth" we have these things called legally binding documents. And when a person signs one of these things, they legally promise to abide by whatever they just signed their name to. Now, if they DON'T want to abide by the conditions of the agreement, they don't sign. And if they do sign and change their mind, hard luck.

I'm no fan of HP, nor of their treatment of Mr Hurd. However, Mr Hurd legally bound himself in a standard "restraint of trade" agreement (which all the rest of us have to live by if we sign them), so therefore HP has every right to clobber him. And in fact, they should: Mr Hurd is legally in breach of a very important document whose negation has serious ethical and financial ramifications.

Just because Mr Hurd was crapped on by HP does not give him some bleeding-heart-liberal reason to nullify his legal obligations. Are you a bleeding-heart-liberal, 'JenniferWeb', or do you believe that we are all equal before the law and should be held accountable for the legal promises we make? Feelings have no place in this discussion, just the facts... ma'am.
How can HP take legal action against something that hasn't happened, yet?
@jbuck011@... they are trying to cut him off in advance. They have a good point that he has knowledge of HP that will influence the decisions he makes at Oracle.
@Al_nyc That's what they call tough s***... that sexual harassment thing that led to him being "released" from HP was a little shaky anyway- HP should have thought of that and thought things through a little better in the beginning.
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@Al_nyc those board members that followed this trivial sacking through after the initial charges of sexual harrassment were found to be untenable knew that they had "tipped their hand" and revealed to Hurd the identity of his enemies within HP.

As such, they knew that if he survived the coup and retained power they were "dead men walking". Hence the trivial-seeming nature of the expenses "rap" that he was nailed with.

Payout or no, this war is going to continue, and I don't see any fairy-tale "Steve Jobs rejoins a resurgent Apple" ending to this sorry saga.
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Seriously, what is Hurd supposed to do ... become a carpenter? He has skills and he needs to work in his area of expertise, so he took a job offer from Oracle.

HPaq is guilty of unfair restraint by suing to stop Hurd from being able to make a living. I hope they get hit for treble-damages of court costs and legal fees for wasting the court's time with their junk lawsuit.

Regards,
Jon
@JonathonDoe he took the severence package, so he would have to be ridiculously stupid to think this was not going to happen. With $12million in his bank account he can afford to take a couple of years off.
@JonathonDoe

Surely you have NO CLUE who Mark Hurd was?.

Mark Hurd made one of the most innovative companies into one of the most hated companies by its employees a feat he achieved in mere 5 years time.

Surely he would do well as a Carpentor for a change.........But I am not sure if he will do a good job at that too.
@bhasinusc@...
To be fair. It started before him with Carly fiorina
@JonathonDoe I agree with your headline. At most, Hurd will have to promise--again--not to disclose or use any HP trade secrets.
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contract
zdnet-registraion 8th Sep 2010
@JonathonDoe He willingly signed a contract to not-compete for $12-18M. He's getting paid, by HP to not work for Oracle. He took the money and is now violating his contract. What don't you get?
Hurd will be well aware of the HP NON Disclosure Clauses, he will be bound under, he is nobodys fool.

HP has just woken up in the real world where life goes on, and they cannot stop Hurd from working/making a living.

I find this funny after they (HP) cut him loose, and now they are in PANIC MODE.
@carlsf@...

Those non-disclosure clauses are illegal when they do not allow you to use your KNOWLEDGE in a new job. Many judges have been looking with the old 'leery eye' at those things and saying in private "One of those comes in front of me..... THROWN OUT!"
@Lerianis10:
One difference, in this case, is that HP's lawsuit specifies specific instances of information which will damage them. 24 months (rather than 12) might be seen by a Court as an "excessive" period of time for restricting Hurd's freedom to work with non-HP companies, but HP offered an incredibly big pile of money in connection with Hurd's acceptance of the termination agreement, and he was free to refuse it.

He accepted it, and I think that the magnitude of the payment corresponds to an offer made in exchange for specific terms beneficial to HP-- in other words, an actual CONTRACT.

The other big difference from the kind of "non-disclosure clauses" which you refer to, I think, is that this Contract was NEVER A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT. Most of those unenforceable "agreements" have been presented as conditions of employment, in which the perspective employee was forced to sign away the right to use totally unspecified knowledge with any other "competing firm", before the company had ever given the person any "trade secrets" at all. The blanket clause was the problem, and you're right: HP cannot restrict Hurd's use of "KNOWLEDGE" as a result of this agreement, but I think that they *CAN* restrict his use of proprietary, trade-secret INFORMATION.

If it is found to be a valid contract, then Mr. Hurd (and Oracle, and Mr. Ellison) may be found responsible for "damages" far above the original payment by HP. required to pay damages far above the original monetary propose to "invalidate" , Is Mr. Hurd,
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@carlsf@... absolutely. I mean, the alarm bells must have already been ringing with big partner Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystem's "big iron", and now HP's apparently gifted them a CTO to effectively run it.

You know what? Some more heads are gonna roll at HP, big ones too...
I doubt he will need to take a job as a carpenter with the severance package he got. I suspect, the goal is to recoup the money. I also suspect Oracle's hiring agreement will make up for any severance $$$ he loses.

--Pure speculation from one who wishes he had to worry about his $30M severance.
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HP board should resign
guihombre 7th Sep 2010
First they should zero support for their CEO, now they turn around and throw baseless claims against him like babies.

The shareholders need to take charge here, because those grey little middle managers don't seem to have a clue.
So many idiotic comments. If you don't know about the severance package that is fine. There have been several comments so far that give you that information now. So quite making the dumb comments. Yes he should be a carpenter for 2 years!!
Remember this, HP did not cut him loose, he retired under the cloud of sexual harrasement, it was his decision so as not to distract HP. He took the severance package which was 12 million in cash and 18 million in stocks = 30 million dollars. It is common for non compete clauses for two years after leaving a company and it is Larry Ellison of Oracle stirring the pot by hiring him. Maybe the California courts won't honor the contract but the Securities and Exchange Commission most likely will back HP and they can apply sanctions against Oracle for this behaviour, as Ellison knows about the clause as his senior management have the same clause in their contracts.
@Rndmacts Ding Ding!!
Exactly right. It's the SEC that will bring down the hammer on this one.
CA may be weak on enforcing the non-compete/non-disclosure agreements common in corporate life, but that's more often at the low and middle managment levels. Even then, the SEC will likely enforce (with penalties against Oracle) those conditions of his retirement package.
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No, it's a CIVIL LAWSUIT first.
Rick S._z Updated - 8th Sep 2010
@davesully:
Per another post of mine (above), I think that this is not a mere "non-compete/non-disclosure" agreement of the preemptive type, which is frequently found to be illegal/invalid by CA Courts. Rather, it is a specific offer and acceptance between the two parties, INDEPENDENT of an employment agreement (Mr. Hurd had already resigned.)

If so, then it is a contract- and Mr. Hurd is failing to perform according to it's requirements. This is the avenue of redress which HP is taking, and they list specific areas of damage from proprietary information (NOT general "knowledge") which will damage the firm if Mr. Hurd fails to obey the contract terms.

If Larry and Mark persist, then the monetary damages to HP would be determined by a jury. (And obviously, they could be vastly larger than the monies originally given to Mr. Hurd under the Contract.)

I'm not sure that the SEC would become involved. Perhaps Mark's acceptance of securities (the Options) becomes an actionable Securities Fraud when he fails to perform? Can either of you (Dave or Random) clue me in? Thanks in advance
It would make sense that the only way Oracle could come up with a decent idea is to steal it...
@stevek@...

Or buy it... or buy it and squash it so it won't compete with their current offerings... Why else did something like Virtual Iron get bought and squashed?!
@fireman949@...
A++
Ditto, johnathandoe.
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Seriously!?!
James Quinn 7th Sep 2010
Look I'm a wel known Apple fan and have NO dog in this fight but the guy just got a job at Oracle how could HP possibly have any knowledge of what he so far has done there? I doubt he's done much more than go to a few dozen meetings with the upper crust and moved into his office by now.

Pagan jim
@James Quinn You're missing what others have pointed out (including the authors). He has knowledge of what HP's plans are, and what their impressions of Oracle's product lines are. That knowledge will affect his business decisions, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

How? Simple. If he knows that HP is creating a product that will prove superior to one that Oracle is making, he can either cancel the project or use what knowledge he has about HP's product (and their perceived notions of Oracle's strengths and weaknesses) against HP.

Do I think he should be a carpenter? Nope. They're a respectable trade, and it's beneath someone of his level. I do think that he should be out of work for at least 12 months. It's not like he can't afford it (unless he's at such a high spending lifestyle, that he can't live off of 12 million + Stocks).

Or he should be forced to repay the severance to HP. After all, he signed the papers and now he's violating the papers he signed.
@pdickey043@...
I know HP has many revenue sources but from what I've seen they have servers, PC's of all sorts, soon tablets and printers.. Phones? Not sure of that last one. Never saw Oracle as being in that business or those businesses. The only hardware I've known Oracle to be in is routers and such. What could HP be making that would effect what Oracle does?

Pagan jim
Pagan jim
Oracle bought Sun which is in the Servers and Storage market.
@pdickey043@...
"Repay of the Severance" is probably much, much less than the amount of "Damages" which HP will claim to be suffering. It's like an exploding gas tank from 40 years ago: Ford doesn't get away with merely giving you the money you spent on the Pinto; the Jury awards DAMAGES.

I agree with you, that Carpenters are people working in a respectable trade. IMO, Carpentry isn't beneath Mark Hurd's level; rather, he's beneath THEIR level.
t beneathMark Hurd is BENEATH their level.
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Oracle is maximum sleaze
bionicbub 7th Sep 2010
Oracle is one of the top "maxumum sleaze" companies in the U.S., and they have now declared that publicly by hiring Hurd. Oracle needs to offload Sun to a more respectable and more responsible corporate owner and get the hell out of the United Staets.
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HP being HP
madrucke@... 7th Sep 2010
Just like th nVidia chip issue that they refused to acknowledge, refuse to issue a recall, and then limited the cut off knowing that limited use would probably leave *many* users out on the cold. (My son being one, one month too late.)

In my view HP has lost all credibility and any product they touch is suspect. And, will remain so for the distant foreseeable future.

They are a cut throat company among cut throats.

IMHO the bottom line is seen as more valuable than the company name.

Mike Sr.
with a story of this kind; often mentioned is "the family"
Just who is the HP "family"... I am having a hard time
trying to 'right' a bad purchase(computer) with HP
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Things were dicey enough for HP's server business when Oracle acquired a vertically integrated software + hardware giant like Sun Microsystems, what with Oracle database software running mainly on a variety of HP "big iron".

But with the sacking of long-time Ellison pal Hurd who was a key player in the reversal of HP's sagging fortunes, Oracle's prompt hiring of the same man and now this temperature-raising lawsuit, I am starting to appreciate Ellison's comparison of Hurd's sacking with that of another long-term pal Steve Jobs from Apple in the mid-80s.

Equally ill-timed and unwise? I think so: Hurd is just the kind of guy Oracle needs to turn around the hardware division of its recent acquisition. Nice move, HP.
@AirmanChairman Worse still, the manner of Hurd's sacking is certain to fire the man up to succeed at the task of turning around Oracle-Sun's "big Iron" at the expense of HP. I'm sorry, Ellison's flowery language or no, this is not looking good for HP.
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Who is being unfair?
NotPaidToSayThis 7th Sep 2010
In his separation agreement, Hurd probably had to promise never to defame HP. But apparently, HP did not promise never to defame him. Letting lawyers and PR people run a technology company rarely works.
HP isn't HP anymore so who cares. HP made test instrumentation not IT equipment
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To Bad So Sad HP....
dunn@... 8th Sep 2010
You cut him loose and were obligated to pay him what he had accrued in the company mid-quarter and the rest of his contract.
Now it it up to YOU HP to prove any wrong is coming from this.

Good Luck, you're gonna need it.

You shouldn't have let him go in the first place but your cut a deal in a day and I would be willing to be that a termination of contract being cut that quick didn't include his non-disclosure, and even if it did the burden is on HP to prove that he is using any of it.

HP is going down hill...
@dunn@...

So obligations only go from the employer to the employee. Not the other way. I'm sure it took more than a day to cut the deal.

How is HP going downhill now? and when did this downhill trend start?
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RE: HP: Mark Hurd is violating our trade secrets as part of Oracle
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Your website is in fact very good! How mulberry bags can I create a solitary similar to this?

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