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HP's TouchPad tablet, smartphones put WebOS back into the game

By | February 9, 2011, 11:30am PST

Summary: HP introduced three new products, two smartphones and a new tablet PC that drew applause from the audience at the event.

Hewlett Packard put its best foot forward today with an update to the mobile webOS platform that it inherited in the acquisition of Palm. At an event in San Francisco, the company introduced three new products - two smartphones and a new tablet PC that drew applause from the audience at the event.

Gallery: HP reveals 9.7-inch TouchPad tablets

Called HP Touchpad, the tablet PC - at least initially - looks like a strong contender in what’s about to be a crowded industry. Maybe it’s seamless synchronization with webOS smartphones or the powerful dual core 1.2 GHz Snapdragon processor. Perhaps it’s the use of Flash - something that Apple’s iPhone and iPad don’t support.

See Gallery: HP’s 9.7-inch TouchPad tablet

But, like the early use of this OS in the original Palm Pre and Pixi smartphones, the overall OS experience is what comes across as most impressive, designed with the user - whether a consumer or business customer - in mind.

How else do you explain a touch-screen keyboard that can be sized from small to large, depending on the user’s comfort level? Finally, a tablet PC touchscreen keyboard that adapts so that users like me - people who create a lot of original content - can type on the screen as if it were an actual keyboard.

And let’s not forget about the “Just type” bar, a blank bar that brings up the keyboard and then asks what the user wants to do with the words: Search? Send to Google? Post to Twitter (via a third party add-on app.) Regardless, it’s giving users the option - and that makes it worth noting.

What was especially impressive was the ability to use the Touchpad as a phone. The front-facing camera makes video calling possible - but what was a “Wow Moment” was how a regular phone call could be turned into a video call with a single click, as demonstrated on-stage.

In terms of some of the specs - we’re looking at a weight of 1.6 pounds, a thickness of  just over 13 mm and a 9.7-inch display. It will come in two versions - a 16 GB model and 32 GB model. More: Techmeme, HP statements on TouchPad, Veer, Pre3.

Though the tablet stole the show, there were also two smartphones - the Veer and the Pre3, both positioned as friendly to consumers and business users. The devices looked nice, utilizing the same form factor as the original Pre phones, including a slideout keyboard in the portrait mode, making the phone vertically longer and easier to navigate and type on.

Senior VP and General Manager Jon Rubenstein called the tablet device “nothing short of a breakthrough” and I’d say he’s right on the money with that comment. The tablet space is heating up and certainly the company to beat at this moment is Apple and its iPad. Sure, Google and Motorola are kicking up the heat with the forthcoming launch of the Xoom, the first tablet to run on Android 3 OS. And we’re still waiting to see how RIM’s Playbook will fit into the market.

While I haven’t had a chance to play with a TouchPad to see if it’s really as fast as HP is touting and if the integration with other webOS devices - which, by the way, was pretty impressive - is as seamless as they say, I’m convinced that HP went above and beyond to make something powerful and competitive enough to jump into the main stage arena with Apple and Google.

The devices themselves won’t be available until later this year - so the landscape can certainly change between now and then. And with excitement bubbling up over with buzz that the iPad2 is now in production, HP’s marketing team will need to kick into high gear to make sure the Touchpad stays front of mind. Update: At the beginning of the event, the company said this was just the beginning - and at the tail end of the event, it said that, later this year, webOS will be integrated into personal computers, as well.

The Veer will be out in the early Spring and the Pre3, as well as the TouchPad won’t be out until the summer. The company didn’t provide any details on carrier partners, nor did it make any mention of pricing - which will certainly be key to its success.

A WiFi-only version of the TouchPad will be launched first, in the U.S. and “select markets worldwide” this summer and will be followed by 3G- and 4G-enabled versions shortly after. Again, no mention of carrier partner, so it’s unclear whose 4G network will power it.

Amidst all the noise about tablets these days, it appears that HP - which is no longer using the Palm label - has found a way to rise above the chatter and develop something that really keeps the user, as well as everyday uses, in mind.

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RE: HP's TouchPad tablet, smartphones puts WebOS back into the game
cosuna 10th Feb 2011
@DonnieBoy : I agree.

HP might not have the greatest of the UIs (compared to WP7) or the best ecosystem (iOS) or the fastest development cycle (Android), but they have a far greater product breadth.

I see webOS coming into the PC world in several distinct forms:

1) Akin to the Motorola Atrix, on a Pre3 Plus phone with "webtop" functionality using Touchstone.

2) On HP Touch Smart as a media center quick start option.

3) On HP Printers and all-in-ones as a full featured dashboard for printing experience.

4) On HP Media Centers (to compete with Roxio, Apple TV and Google TV) in replacement of Windows 7.

5) Last but not, least, on ProLiant servers and blades as a restricted touch pad for rack convenience. Remember, webOS is linux with just another skin, so adding VNC or an X Server is just a matter of porting.
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Cylon Centurion 9th Feb 2011
The design looks fugly compared to the sleek industrial look of the HP Slate.
Must be a pretty good device.
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he was doing his DonnieBoy impersonation
AllKnowingAllSeeing 9th Feb 2011
you know where most people (except you) where saying that Honeycomb looked lackluster?
You said something along the lines of it being "the best looking tablet UI you had ever seen", (then of course said WP7 interface was ugly).

Alot of people tell the truth and don't look at everything through Google colored glasses, unlike you.
@DonnieBoy : you should know that @Cylon Centurion 0005 is a die hard Windows 7 enthusiast, and would not cede to the fact that HP has done a far better job with the TouchPad that what they did with the HP Slate 500.

Also he's comparing a $499 product with a $799 product.

That like comparing an HP Mini 210 ($329) series to an HP Pavilion dv6 ($749).

Hope he sees the light. Xenon flashlight would do a fine job.
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Cylon's Ew
Info-Dave 9th Feb 2011
What I read this as is, it doesn't run Windows 7, therefore it sucks.
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Ew?
Bruce Lang 9th Feb 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005 - Could you design a better rectangle? wink
@Cylon Centurion 0005 I agree that the slate looked more professional, but maybe that's not what they are going for.
@Cylon Centurion 0005

Hmm, the slate bombed. Why would they copy that?
@Synthmeister : Please don't reply to @Cylon Centurion 0005 . He's just a troll who thinks Windows 7 tablets are are *WAY TOO SEXY* for us mortals to understand it.

Market reality sees them relegated from anything other than niche market players aka UMPC style.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/186172/why_the_microsofthp_tablet_is_a_big_disappointment.html
"HP's TouchPad tablet, smartphones put WebOS back into the game"... Really?? Do you really think it puts HP back into the game? Don't get me wrong Web OS is really slick and so much better than Android. It really gives iOS a run for it's money. But Web OS has always been too little too late.

Who is going to wait for the TouchPad? No pricing announcement means it will be more expensive than the iPad, no firm ship date, no current option for 3G or 4G. HP is at least 6months to a year behind the competition.

It's really too bad they couldn't move faster and bring something to the market last month!

Unfortunately I really don't see the TouchPad, Pre3 or the Veer enjoying any significant success.
Also, Apple might leap from them before it is even on the market. But, love the competition, and, also the idea that they will put WebOS on PCs!!!! HP is making the right moves. They have nothing to loose by pursuing this path.
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Well, Android on the tablet looks to be a dead end
AllKnowingAllSeeing 9th Feb 2011
@DonnieBoy, so you're right, nothing for them to lose.
they are doing will likely be a dud.
@Donnieboy

Yeah, like that thing would ever take off. Who wants that... Wait, what?

"Yes, the HP Slate 500 is officially backordered, less than a month after its enterprising debut, and Hewlett-Packard claims it's because of "extraordinary demand," a phrase that's presently not quantifiable. The long and short of it, though, is that you're not getting one by Yuletide if you purchase the pricey portable today, as you'll have to wait six weeks until they're ready to ship out. Still, if your budding business bought in on day one, there's still a chance it might arrive in time -- ours is due to our door in early December, if that gives you any idea. We've pinged HP for comment, and hope to hear back soon. We'll be sure to let you know just how "extraordinary" those sales numbers might be.

Update: We've yet to hear back from HP proper, but a trusted tipster with a contact inside HP spun us a very interesting tale -- HP reportedly only ever planned a limited production run of 5,000 units, and received orders for 9,000 instead. When demand outstripped supply, HP apparently had to re-hire production workers just to get the presses printing out tablets again, and are presently placating angry customers by offering them over $100 off their $800 purchase as apology. "

Really? Wow! Obviously not a dud!

h t t p :/ / w w w .engadget.com/2010/11/13/hp-slate-500-sees-extraordinary-demand-experiences-six-week-s/
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I was pointing out that it's a smart move for them as going with Android would be a mistake for them.

Why do you always get so willy-nilly when someone mentions they don't think Android is the right choice, to the point that you have to keep trying to redirect by bring Microsoft into the story?

I said that I don't believe Android/Honeycomb to be the smart answer for HP's ARM based tablets, so WebOS is a smart choice for them.
@DonnieBoy
You don't know about enterprises and industries, so don't talak about them. I already said on these forums and I am telling again, there are a lot of verticals in the industry like police, ER, parks etc, they depend upon Windows Tablets. You previously said iPad was the first tablet, but Windows Tablets existed even before and yes they have a bigger market out there waiting for someone to port the Windows Apps conviently to Tablet form. And Steve Ballmer was talking about it. And like Cylon Centurion 0005 mentioned below, there is a huge demand from enterprises for Windows 7 tablets, so that they could run their day to day operations on that easily. Now go back to your fantasy world and don't forget to wear google glasses. Wait a minute, you never take them off right so go ahead and live in your fantasy world where Google would be the emperor ruling the world made of clones.
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@Battlestar

9000 units/month is palty. I mean, it might add 15 million to the bottom line every year. So what? 3-5 years to almost break even?
@Cylon Centurion 0005 Dude, do you realize that 9,000 is a number that shows that the product is a failure.

The fact that HP planned to make only 5,000 also shows that HP had ZERO confidence that the product would sale and probably only did them for contractual reasons.

BTW: Only a complete idiot believe that a company would layoff production employees after a day of work. Because 5K is about the inventory any decent factory can produce per day.
@DonnieBoy : I agree.

HP might not have the greatest of the UIs (compared to WP7) or the best ecosystem (iOS) or the fastest development cycle (Android), but they have a far greater product breadth.

I see webOS coming into the PC world in several distinct forms:

1) Akin to the Motorola Atrix, on a Pre3 Plus phone with "webtop" functionality using Touchstone.

2) On HP Touch Smart as a media center quick start option.

3) On HP Printers and all-in-ones as a full featured dashboard for printing experience.

4) On HP Media Centers (to compete with Roxio, Apple TV and Google TV) in replacement of Windows 7.

5) Last but not, least, on ProLiant servers and blades as a restricted touch pad for rack convenience. Remember, webOS is linux with just another skin, so adding VNC or an X Server is just a matter of porting.
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battery life and cost
rynning 9th Feb 2011
I looked at the photos over at Engadget, but I couldn't find a slide that contained tablet battery life or price. Did they say?

It looks very cool, but did they really need the "OS Bowl" slide? What marketing genius came up with that?
@rynning
I read on Ms King's blog the battery was 6300 mAh. Translates to 6.3 Amp-hour. If you can get the load amperage of the device , a little number crunching will get you in the ballpark or wait for the stats. Seems like a fairly hefty batt for the device.
Not back in the game until you can actually buy one.
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Looks pretty cool
Bruizer 9th Feb 2011
Shows the advantage of being an integrated systems company doing the work.
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Little to go on at this point
Cresence 9th Feb 2011
I followed HP's presentation and frankly found little that was very compelling about the TouchPad--just a series of marketing points that sounded promising. In the absence of pricing data, availability sooner than a summer delivery date, and some solid hands-on reviews by objective parties, the burden of proof is still on HP to show they have something worth talking about--and buying.
@Cresence

I thought there was lots that was compelling...today. This summer though? That could be as much as seven months from now.

Windows slates are coming in droves. Android slates are coming in droves. And there's some other big slate announcement coming that is slipping my mind...
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I won't touch one unless there's some form of magic in it.
@thofts
Yes, and it must help us break free from the monolithic oppressor that shackles our freedoms.
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For all the flaming that's going on, no one has yet to prove that a windows tablet will ever make it given the history it's had over that last decade and a half. For anyone old enough to remember the windows for workgroups (3.11 for those gen xers) fujitsu tablets that were used in manufacturing sectors, they only used a digital pen to navigate the OS. It didn't last too long (or take off in manufacturing sector back then). After all this time, microsoft still hasn't gotten away from using a digital pen to navigate on a screen (swivel keyboard or otherwise). What on earth makes you think that a windows tablet now will fair any better than the same 15 yr. old design model....???? The idea of a tablet is to not use a physical keyboard, but to use your hands; otherwise, what's the point of using a tablet that requires a physical keyboard???? (that's called a laptop, in case you were wondering.) In any case, there looks to be some real promise here. For those of us that actually use a computer for "real" work (and not just play), it seems promising. Any good digital device should include: VPN, email, web, local storage/cloud storage as a bare minimum. If you can improve vastly upon that for the business user (who usually has the money and job to afford these types of devices), then you're headed in the right direction. Guess we'll have to just wait and see performance test results over time.
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Yet another product brought to you by
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 9th Feb 2011
Linux

Choice is good.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz

They have 5 whole apps to choose from...With choices like that, decisions are easy.
@i8thecat

I'd rather be able to run all my core apps at the same time than 1 of 1000 flatulence apps at a time.
WebOS licensing has some troublesome terms about redistribution of updates, and I don't know whether you'd have anything runnable after you removed the contents of their "reserved, proprietary, secret-sauce" directories.

Dietrich, would the remainder be any good at all? I honestly don't know. As you know, Qt is perfectly usable (and widely used) in the opensource version; Nokia's "proprietary sauce" currently covers only some location-aware code, and some proprietary hardware.

If Nokia/Intel doesn't abandon the strategy tomorrow, then I'd rather use MeeGo :))
@kitko

I know. They never left.
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Resizable soft keyboard
jimfrost 9th Feb 2011
I like the idea of the resizable soft keyboard, but I am not clear on the comment about finally being able to type "like it's an actual keyboard." I take that to mean that you can touch type on it.

My question is how much different this is than the iPad keyboard in landscape mode? It is large enough and the key spacing is such that it's not particularly difficult to touch type on it, but I have to presume you've already tried that and found it lacking in some way. What does the TouchPad do differently that makes it better?

Personally I find the iPad keyboard lacking in that I make a lot more mistakes without the tactile feel of keys helping me with positioning. That wrecks my normal 120wpm typing speed but I can still type more than 40wpm on it ... far above what I can do with two-finger tapping, and acceptably fast for most things. This is, in fact, one of the reasons why I tend to agree with Jobs about the larger form factor -- typing on those 7" tablets blows. I see no particular reason why the TouchPad can't do at least as well, and if they've done it better I'd love to know. (Though perhaps they could do it better just by not autocorrecting weird stuff into my document, TYVM.)

Another thing I don't see mention of (here or elsewhere) is pricing. If this is another $800 unit it's going to bomb, and if it's $600 with a two-year contract it may be a hard sell to people already forking out for smartphone contracts (but at least it'll have a shot). If it's priced in line with the iPads, though, it'd be really interesting.

jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
@jimfrost
Honestly if you wanna brag about typing you aren't using a portable gadget. Most all of these portable os gadget fanbois should quit bragging about multitasking as well because if you really need laptop functionality get a laptop.
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Title says most of what I had to say. 32GB max wouldn't be a disaster, if you could swap microSD (or other) memory cards in and out.
@Rick S._z

I agree that swappable memory cards would be good, the integration with the cloud makes this a bit easier to take.
iPad clone? maybe, but linked with it's Pre phone, it has potential. tapping the phone on the TouchPad is a great idea. Even Apple couldn't think of that one. As for Android, I'm still not convinced it's a viable alternative. For a supposedly FREE os, the pricing is still too high. Also, being a derivative of Linux, it's still a toy OS that people just play with untill they realise that it DOESN'T do everything that they want it to do. Sorry Linux Fanboys, but the average Joe is not interested in learning something new, especially when Windows does what they want and makes it easy for them. NOT EVERYONE IS A TECHY.
@Warinpiece

WebOS is a derivative of Linux as well...
@Warinpiece
".... a toy OS that people just play with..."
You're contradicting yourself. You say that average Joe isn't interested, because Windows does what THEY want (play games, run Word, IE or Firefox, etc.). I totally agree.

But If you're NASA, or a National Lab, or NCAR, or DOE, or DOD, or their equivalents anywhere else in the world... then WINDOWS is the "Toy" for playing computer games and doing everyday office-like stuff. The Mission-Critical work, which is extremely mathematical (simulating nuclear explosions, or working with data from huge numbers of Sensors) gets run on Linux or SunOS. In big business, z/OS rules.

Most of the World's most seriously "non-Toy" computers DON'T run Windows. And they're not desktop/notebook sized, either.
@Rick S._z
Actually UNIX for NASA and other OS's that fit the mission...
It's all going to rest on the price...if this tablet is priced higher than the iPad, it will fail.
@tech_ed@...
WebOS might be back in the game but they don't have any chips yet.
Also, doesn't anyone realize that using Flash to differentiate yourself from the most spectacularly successful product in your target market which doesn't have Flash, doesn't really make sense. Clearly the >150 million iDevice users don't give a flip about Flash.
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Flash is a non issue
rhon@... 9th Feb 2011
The tablet is looking great, still it is nothing short on vaporware. a page of Microsoft's old playbook. Announcing today a product that will be available in half a year or longer makes no sense at all, simply because there is no benchmark to compare the device with. Flash is a non issue. As most content is available in Apps, all necessary video is already available on the Ipad too. Flash is only an issue when you love to run around with a exhausted battery.
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@rhon@...
Honestly as battery prices go and most being proprietary on fit or function, efficiency and lifespan should be a high concern. Portability was based on the fact it will turn on and run as long as you need it and where you need it.
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Looks identical to the iPad
The Star King 10th Feb 2011
Screen size, border size and shape, placement of button. You couldn't tell them apart if switched off.
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I like the idea
Monkeypox 10th Feb 2011
of another desktop OS. Curious to see what that might look like.

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