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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Is it do or die for RIM?

By | June 25, 2010, 5:40am PDT

Research in Motion CEO Jim Balsillie sounded as confident as ever on the company’s first quarter earnings conference call, but analysts aren’t quite buying it. Do you see what Balsillie sees when it comes to RIM’s prospects?

Simply put, it remains to be seen if the rest of the world sees what Balsillie sees. There’s a dangerous you-just-wait-and-see game being played here and RIM needs to deliver. Balsillie stopped short of detailing products on the company’s conference call (transcript)—but most analysts expected a BlackBerry slider in the third calendar quarter. The RIM CEO chafed when asked about market share declines as well as the assumption that the BlackBerry is behind the innovation curve relative to the iPhone and Android devices.

Balsillie countered with the following:

  • Carrier efficiency matters;
  • BlackBerry isn’t behind;
  • Globally RIM is strong;
  • And RIM can and does innovate.

He said RIM will also have a lot of marketing heft behind its new products.

We have specific hero campaigns, certainly in the United States. Major — bigger campaigns than we’ve ever had before. And we certainly have launches throughout the world. So, they’re major hero campaigns. They’re committed. It’s booked, the products, the shipments, the promotion campaign. They’re very substantial. And we also are rolling these out around the world.

Also: RIM earnings: Focused on growing global business RIM’s new phone and tablet: Can they fend off Apple, Android?    HTC grabbing market share at expense of Motorola, RIM

And then Vivek Arya, an analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, asked:

I think the fundamental question that a lot of us and investors are grappling with is what will help RIM regain US market share? It seems AT&T channel is very strongly aligned with Apple and Verizon and Sprint seems to be aligning with Android. So, where does that leave RIM? The specific question I have is what will motivate customers to buy a BlackBerry 6 product instead of, say, the new iPhone 4 or new Android products. Other than network efficiency, what kind of differentiators should we focus on.

Balsillie said:

Be careful about you implicit assumptions in your question, or shall I say your explicit assumptions in your question. Yes, I think you guys will just have to watch and see what the plans are. I think there’s a lot of implicit and explicit assumptions that may
be should be examined. Part of that is the question of how much does — how powerful is their innovation is a good question. What’s the timing of it is a good question.

I think an important question to ask is how much does constructive alignment matter to a carrier? That has been an enormous issue throughout Europe and Asia and definitely coming on in Europe and I think, how much does efficiency matter and when you look at these pricing plans, I think that that should tell you something. Watch and see. We have unprecedented campaigns and device programs and commitments in our history and I’m just not going to talk anything more about our products and our launches until their time.

Analysts aren’t quite so sure about RIM. Yes, there’s an enterprise upgrade cycle. Yes, RIM is competitive. And yes RIM has the data efficiency argument down and can thrive among tiered plans. That latter point is notable. RIM could win with an efficiency argument with consumers—especially after they have been hosed a few times for going over data caps. Nevertheless, some analysts say that RIM has to get this product cycle down.

Macquerie analyst Phil Cusick asked in his research note, “can you see what Jim sees?”

Oppenheimer analyst Ittai Kidron said in a research note:

In our view, RIM’s upcoming product cycle and OS upgrade (6.0) are its most critical ever given the intense competitive environment. Strong execution, high-quality products and software along with the proper leveraging of carrier relationships (hero campaigns, international support) could significantly improve RIM’s position and reignite growth. If RIM stumbles, we see a long, unattractive journey of playing catch-up.

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I wouldn't worry about RIM much - Yet
croberts Updated - 25th Jun 2010
It is clear from the iPhone 4 testers that Apple is dangerously close to getting caught up in style over substance when it comes to basic things like... gee.. antennas in mobile devices!?!

All it's going to take is some brainless design defect that renders the device useless for its intended purpose, and the love affair will be over.

All RIM has to do is maintain high quality and reliability, and for gods sake include a proper web browser, and they should be fine for now.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
Larry Dignan 25th Jun 2010
@croberts Amen on the Web browser. I do think RIM will be ok. But then again I have one now and plan to switching to a Droid. I'm not sure what would keep me to be honest. I think that's what has analysts worried about RIM---it really needs BB OS 6 to be a hit and some designs that get at least a little gadget lust going.
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Larry Dignan 25th Jun 2010
@Larry Dignan And almost forgot. Internationally, RIM has plenty of running room.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
mr1972 25th Jun 2010
@Larry Dignan I am a current Droid owner and I am looking to switch to R.I.M. My love affair with touch screens is over. I hate the keyboards and I have been using them for over a year so I don't think it is a learning curve but a finger design. I don't have huge fingers but typing on a virtual keyboard is not a great experience for me.
The screen alignment on my Droid is off and I can't seem to fix it. It is maddening to keep pressing the wrong hyperlink in a web page unless you expand the page so large you can't read it.

The screen also turns itself on and off at will. I have mine set to turn off after 2 minutes but that seems to be a "suggestion" not a rule. When clicking the hardware button to turn the screen on, sometimes I barely get my log in pattern swiped before the screen goes dark and I am 100% sure it doesn't take me 2 minutes to do a 9 button swipe. The screen turns on in my pocket and for some reason makes emergency calls.

The phone call application is not stable. The virtual key pad disappears while I try to dial.

I consider myself to be a moderate user of smart phones. I do on the go social networking which works fairly well, I use the music player as my mobile music source and the sound quality is o.k. for me and some light web browsing. I don't stream any media. I would be under a 2 Gb data cap.

For me, If R.I.M. can do social networking and had a decent browser, I think they are a much more stable platform. My next phone, if they are still in business, will probably be R.I.M.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
AdanC 27th Jun 2010
@Larry Dignan

Can your droid software be upgraded, it is a dead end product. Moto is more interested in selling hardwares not software. They are interested in people buying their next latest and greatest and not people holding on to a 3 year old model.

So the droid you buy will be sort of in a class of its own with no software upgrade but not to worry it will always be the latest and greatest of its grade and era.
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RIM don't listen though...
johnmckay 25th Jun 2010
Great for secure email, Fantastic on Battery life. But the screen real estate is way too small to be any use browsing... it's RUBBISH for browsing, and I'm on a 9700.

It needs a full screen, probably a slider keyboard AND they must reduce the range. You want an iphone? You get an iphone. You want a Blackberry? You get hmmm, 3g or gprs or both on some models, rollerball/trackpad, wifi/no wifi. Too many models IMHO.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
Random_Walk 25th Jun 2010
@GetReal-mac.com: Agreed - I'm stuck with a Curve, but trying to, say, read a PDF or open a screenshot in email is a pure trial. Sure it's handy to peck out words with my thumbnails and all, but honestly, I'm making the jump to an iPhone.

On the enterprise front, I wish someone would've asked RIM what justifies a typical business paying the license fees (and hardware, etc) for BES, when Exchange already has Active Sync and provides all the basic security needs... for FREE.

But then, if the CEO was all defe4nsive and fuzzy when asked a direct question about it falling behind the curve (s'cuse the pun) on innovation, I think the poor guy would've short-circuited entirely when asked what they intended to do about BES in the face of ActiveSync (and mind you, I'm the absolute last guy who could be credibly accused of being a Microsoft fan...)
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rtk 25th Jun 2010
@Random_Walk

Make sure to get an original iphone, if you want to compare the iPhone against a 3+ year old blackberry.
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Gis Bun 26th Jun 2010
@GetReal-mac.com : Errrr. Any Smartphone is crappy for browsing [and I have a 9700].
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rfrmac 25th Jun 2010
Well, a piece of Scotch Tape did the trick, the iPhone 4 is a wonder. RIM is in for a long year.
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Fritzpk 25th Jun 2010
@rfrmac Tape???? lawl
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ROFL
Jimster480 25th Jun 2010
@rfrmac because scotch tape on a brand new phone is SUPER COOL
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I generally ignore their conclusions. "If RIM stumbles..." is an if of epic proportions. Microsoft is a prime example that you can steadily lose market share and remain a viable, profitable company. That's because the market is a big place, certainly big enough for RIM, Apple, Microsoft and any number of other players.
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Larry Dignan 25th Jun 2010
@jasonp@... The difference is that RIM was a growth company. In Microsoft's case the shareholder base has turned over to more value types from investor thinking it will grow a lot going forward.
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"A growth company"?
jasonp@... 25th Jun 2010
What does that mean exactly? I was under the impression that all companies were in the business of making profit regardless as to whether they are "growing" or not. If RIM remains profitable, what exactly is the problem?
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vulpine@... 25th Jun 2010
@jasonp: All you have to do is look at the stock value of Microsoft over the last 15 years as compared to--say--Apple. Microsoft has gone from being a Growth company to being a hold company... paying dividends on a regular basis vs trying to raise its value. Apple, on the other hand, is still growing, their value rising from roughly $7 fifteen years ago to well over $250 now and still moving upwards. While Microsoft's stock value has risen a handsome 500% and given investors a fair amount of cash every year, Apple's stock has risen almost 3500% (counting splits) and giving early investors huge profits when they finally do sell--if ever. Apple is still growing. Where they stop, I don't think any of the analysts can really tell--yet. As long as Apple continues to introduce new products that attract huge sales, they will continue to grow.
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Toyota Tundra 25th Jun 2010
@jasonp@... Instead of giving unbiased reviews on products, they just drink all Apple flavored water and give them passes on the flaws in their products and call what they do "innovative", even when they are playing catch up to the others.
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I don't think you understand Apple....
James Quinn 25th Jun 2010
@Toyota Tundra
Apple does not play catch up. Apple goes at its own pace. I know everyone sees "features" and hardware specs and the end all to be all but it should be clear to most by now that Apple does not care about that race and is taking it's own path... So far it seems to be working quite well for Apple. I think it's working and to be frank has always worked for Apple. MS is number one in the OS world. HP and or Dell are always fighting for the number one spot in PC sales. Why would Apple want to get into those fights? In the case of Dell the margins on each PC sale is well not good while Apple makes good money on everything it sells. Good idea don't you think? Now I will give you one thing "innovative" is perhaps the wrong way to phrase what Apples does it's tech is often not knew but a far superior implementation of what has previously existed. Still since for years now no one else seems to be able to do this and it is often Apple who shows others the true potential of new tech it is a valuable talent on Apples part.

Pagan jim
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
Graham Ellison 25th Jun 2010
@Toyota Tundra You don't seem to understand that the user experience totally contradicts your very narrow viewpoint.

Even without the massively better user interface, Apple's ecosystem [that includes a staggering EIGHT revenue streams for Apple, and its business partners] is bigger and better than anything any other company has ever put together in the history of business.

Now, I'm sure you'll come back with more silly claims I'm drinking the alleged Apple Koolaid, but the facts are simply that - facts.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
ncted 25th Jun 2010
With the new Opera Mini, things are a lot better for RIM than they could be. I'd still like to see Firefox or a webkit browser on BlackBerry. I'm enjoying the extra $15 each month since I switched to the cheap data plan on my Blackberry Bold. I never would have been able to do that with an iPhone due to the inefficiency of its network usage.
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bedickson 25th Jun 2010
@ncted Sadly, my re-sale BB's embedded IT Policy (impervious to removal, so far) forbids launching Opera mini. So I'm stuck with the clunky default browser - which I can hardly wait to see replaced.
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MobileAdmin 25th Jun 2010
@bedickson

Install Blackberry Desktop manager
Erase Blackberry (need to do it sorry)
locate a clean policy file (google it)
drop file in noted location
execute file
connect blackberry USB
sync ..
policy template copies over - no more policy enforcement
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I'm Considering RIM
Robt. Updated - 25th Jun 2010
I'm with mr1972, I have a Motorola Droid and am considering switching. As mentioned above, the Droid seems to have a mind of its own and it drives me crazy. Every day I find myself muttering things at it and wishing I had something else. I'm not sure it'll be a Blackberry, though. If the iPhone worked with Verizon, my decision would be simple. I had really hoped the Droid would be every bit as good or even better than the iPhone. It's not. It's an annoyance. A couple things work well on it. Just not the things I do every day. It can't even display contacts by last name for goodness sake. Ridiculous.
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ITOdeed 25th Jun 2010
The BB needs a better O/S and browser. Otherwise it's fine by me, does all I want it to do. Currently I have the Tour.
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dpbenson 25th Jun 2010
I loathe my Blackberry and would drop it in a hot second for an iPhone except Verizon and Apple don't seem to get along.

I agree with the comments that the browser capabilities for a Blackberry are complete rubbish. It really is laughable. The screen is too tiny for the browser to be of use, and it's fairly slow.

I am on my sixth Blackberry. All of the others were either configured incorrectly or just broke down.

I also think the storage space on my Blackberry is a joke. I purchased a 2GB memory card only to get the same out of space errors two days later. I use my device for calendar entries and emails. There is *nothing* that should make me run out of space so quickly.

The Blackberry I have right now is dying again. I am taking my phone in tomorrow to be serviced, and I am seriously considering getting a Droid.
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mwagner@... 25th Jun 2010
Until someone else can fully integraate their smartphone with an Exchange/Outlook environment OTA, RIMs future is sound.
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wraith404 25th Jun 2010
@mwagner@... I do believe the latest version of Android does that beautifully. You should start hearing word on that soon, it has now started to trickle out to consumers. Calendar and mail/folder synchronization on my Nexus One is flawless, with very granular configuration available. It can merge multiple calendar accounts now, and has administrative remote wipe capability.
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Larry Dignan 25th Jun 2010
@wraith404 Not sure about the remote wipe, but the outlook integration is sweet on the Droid X Andrew Nusca has.
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hill60 26th Jun 2010
@wraith404 Too bad it doesn't have hardware level encryption.

Blackberry and iPhone 3GS & 4 only.
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3GS? encryption?
SonofaSailor 26th Jun 2010
@hill60

I wouldn't go that far...saying the 3GS has hardware level encryption is like saying the 4G has an antenna
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dowlingm 25th Jun 2010
For me, the iPhone-Exchange calamity when Apple fessed up to encryption (or not) and Exchange users promptly lost connection is a symptom of why Apple doesn't (yet) get Enterprise. As an Enterprise admin I know RIM are enterprise first, consumer second. That may make analysts unhappy but that's why Obama has an 8830 and not an iPhone.
most corporate executives don't care about the appstore, ipod music player, GPS, camera (or even the security and policy-based management) features. They just want a rugged, reliable and easy to use messaging and cell phone device. The Blackberry fits this role quite nicely with it's hard keys and simple home screen. What did Obama use ???
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corporate executives love being able to listen to music on their flights, take pictures to email home to the family, use GPS to take the rental car to the meeting destination, and make phone calls.

But you go right ahead thinking that IT buying blackberries really reflects corporate executive wishes.
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SMparky 25th Jun 2010
@frgough ,
I've found what corporate executives wish for is what they get since they set policy. And they wish for are Blackberries.
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leephil 25th Jun 2010
My company only gives out RIM. I am on my third model over the last several years. They are not reliable. First - the time has to be adjusted after several weeks even when it is set to update according to RIM. I keep hearing this will be fixed. Second - the thumb drive was unreliable, and the roller balls always get dirty. I am pretty good at pulling it out and cleaning it. Third - I travel alot and the phone never sets to the time zone, this is a manual process, but the cheap phones all set the time zone as soon as they are turned on automatically. I say if the company can not design a phone that just works (hardware and software) they need to go away.
people use them because that's what their IT department issues.
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SMparky 25th Jun 2010
@frgough ,
I'm not sure where you work but in most places the IT department members enforce and follow policies, they don't just set them. Most policies come from and are approved by executives, not IT departments.
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Graham Ellison 25th Jun 2010
@mr1972, Look, you've made one catastrophically bad decision: Android, why compound it with another, even worse gamble: RIM?

They don't listen to users. The user experience IS a much lesser one than on the iPhone. And they're way way behind now. RIM are history. It's just a matter of time. But the process is accelerating. iPhone 4 is the most popular phone ever released - already.
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SMparky 25th Jun 2010
@Graham Ellison
Hahaha, I'm glad you gave me a good laugh this afternoon. Is MS also doomed? Tech companies always leep frog each other or they die, but I don't think RIM is in danger. Sure, Apple made a good product and was rewarded. Not everyone likes them though. It's about choice, and luckily we live in a world where there are choices or it would be pretty boring. I myself love RIM (except their awful browser, but I use a computer for browsing anyway). They are far from perfect. Just like any other product or company.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
Graham Ellison Updated - 25th Jun 2010
@SparkyMaddy I like the way you're so easily entertained.

You ask: "Is MS also doomed?". Of course they are. The writing has been on the wall since 2005.

I'll ignore all that nonsense about choice, and what we like based on un-researched and uninformed opinion.

Intelligent, informed decisions are not made on the basis of what we "love". They're made on the basis of logical, lateral thinking. Or they should be. A handbag you can buy because it looks good. But surely a smartphone has to work.

But here's the clincher. You actually admit you choose a smartphone with an "awful browser". One of the primary functions of a smartphone [and we are still talking about smartphones here] is browsing - unless you're stuck in 1999.

Would you drive a car that was useless on the motorway/highway? Would you go to a restaurant with a kitchen only capable of cooking for one table? Do you really want to get the laptop out on the subway?

And that's the point. The intelligent question is: Is the device fit for purpose? Before we get into anything else, any emotional garbage, does it do what it's supposed to do?

In the case of the iPhone 4 the answer is a clear and unequivocal yes. But no matter which Blackberry you try, every one falls down on this first and most fundamental issue.

But that's avoidable - if RIM genuinely did behave like a progressive company. They don't so they're going to lose heavily over the next 12-36 months. And unless they invent the neural implant and sell it with a plan for $599, that really is the end for them.

The desktop revolution that began in the 1970s and ended somewhere between the launch of Vista and the market crash, cannot, with the best will in the world, be used as a reliable model for the smartphone market. PCs were sold to businesses on the basis of which ones ran the software that businesses needed. Developers can port an app to any platform - or any platform that's compatible. But users are in the driving seat now. And the majority of users prefer intuitive solutions.
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dylanp70 Updated - 25th Jun 2010
In terms of usability we know the iPhone is better, but iis its technology as stable as Rim's ? Analysts are speculating on shareholder value because of inferior products or bad functionality. Just because they didn't ship as many units ?
Don't you buy a smartphone for the features and capabilities you will need it for ? Everyone is grouped into Apple or Blackberry. Personal usage go Apple for business go Blackberry. Companies such as HTC are making a huge move with Droid again user preference are we really comparing apples to apples here or apples to oranges (no pun intended)

We just wrote a blog on this as well To Blackberry or iPhone that is the question.. http://www.eval-source.com/blog
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
Graham Ellison 25th Jun 2010
@dylanp70 You're wrong on two counts. But firstly the analysts got Apple wrong for years, so we don't really need to take a great deal of notice of them.

Yes, of course shipped numbers are important. And so is the size of the user base, but only as a headline statement. It's utterly meaningless in business terms. The important figure is profit. Apple simply make a lot more than anyone else from their devices, because the user experience has turned what is already a premium product into a the most sought after device on the planet.

However, it's really not hard to make more money when carriers are offering 2 for 1 deals on Blackberries! Apart from the very obvious MASSIVE hit they take on the bottom line, RIM's brand is being utterly ruined in a pathetic and ultimately pointless war to drive numbers. Indeed, it's so counter productive, whoever thought of this disastrous scheme and okayed it should be fired. But I suspect the decision came from high up. And believe me, this is a sure fire ticket to oblivion, not just for RIM, but for any company that deploys it. It's a fire sale for goodness sake.

So, Apple isn't killing RIM. RIM is killing RIM. If you have a better product, you sell more of them and you make more money. If you have inferior products you sell fewer of them and eventually you die. It's Darwinian.

You're also totally incorrect in distinguishing the Blackberry as a business choice and the iPhone as an exclusively consumer option.

The fact is that the iPhone is perfect for business. It's just not perfect for IT managers to recommend! Why? Because you don't need an IT department to use the iPhone - it's simply that much more intuitive. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

But don't take my word for it. Check the facts in the news reports and Apple's own comment that 40% of iPhones are sold to businesses. And when a venture capital firm launches a $100M app developer fund, the writing is sort of on the wall - and that was three years ago.

When evaluating a company, you need to look at what can kill them. Stupidity in the face of better opposition will do it every time, and very quickly if you do what RIM is doing: failing to innovate, lagging behind, not listening to users and not even bothering to skate to where the puck has been, but instead playing their own little [heavily discounted] game in the corner and depending on the Microsoft style, complacent over-dependence on business sales.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
MobileAdmin 26th Jun 2010
@Graham Ellison

Funny .. Apple wanted the same "profit" from Verizon and they were flat out turned down. The second Apple leaves at&t kiss that fat subsidy goodbye. You already see it international where many places give away the iPhone. So spare us the "Apple means luxury" Apple knows how to drive profit. You quickly forget at $599/$699 the thing was a turkey sales wise.

Hopefully this will sink into your head:

Carriers (Verizon) came up with the BOGO promotion. It's not the delfacto standard for selling Blackberry. It was created for two reasons:

- it helps Verizon drive data plans
- it helps RIM clear out inventory

Now RIM likely gets a smaller profit per device but they are also moving a ton of inventory. There is no free Blackberry you still need a data plan regardless. Verizon makes out, RIM makes out. I fail to see how that "lessens" the brand value - it drove more people to know what Blackberry was.

Apple's growth is stunted by their choice of profit over market share.

Without IT your device (whatever it is) will not function for corporate data - period. We do not allow ActiveSync - it's disabled so unsure how you "bypass" IT to use your iPhone - sure for your own PERSONAL use but not for anyting work related.

Your last bit is misqued from Apple / at&t marketing to somehow excite everyone that adoption is occuring. Reality is it's not, certainly not at the rates they spin. Where iPhone is getting traction is companies that allow personal liable usage. There are very very few companies doing corporate liable iPhone deployments due to:

- lack of management
- lack of security
- ease of breakage (no device insurance)
- lack of carrier choice

at&t has also been exposed of lumping personal liable purchases via a corporate discount / incentive plan with companies as corporate purchases - that is not the same as corporate purchased as the bulk of these employee purchases will never be used for corporate usage (if even allowed).
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
hbistre 25th Jun 2010
IM A HAPPY TOUR OWNER, BUT THEIR RESTART TIME AND THE LACK OF A QUICK RESET BUTTON ARE A PAIN. WEB BROWSER WAS SOLVED WITH OPERA MINI, BUT IT WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE BIGGER SCREEN AND FASTER RESPONSE APPLICATIONS AND BROWSER. IF RIM CAN HANDEL SOME UPGRADES TO THEIR OS AND A NEW KILLER PHONE WITH SLIDING KEYBOARD FAST ENOUGH I THINK THEY WILL BE ON TOP OF THEIR GAME AGAIN.
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SMparky 25th Jun 2010
@hbistre
Why are you screaming? We can hear you.
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PokerMunkee 25th Jun 2010
I have been replacing BlackBerry Curves and Storms with the Droid Incredible. My CEO, IT staff, and a few directors are now using the Incredible. They LOVE IT! But they are also tech savvy, which is a huge plus. For users that do not get along with technology, I will keep them on a BlackBerry as it works fine for them. If you root their phone and give them wifi tethering, they will also love you, hopefully at bonus time! happy

The Moto Droid is not a great phone to use with Exchange. It does not allow a signature, and you cannot accept meeting requests. But this all works on the HTC Droid phones. So make sure these features have been fixed on the Droid X before you buy it!
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hill60 26th Jun 2010
@PokerMunkee

Hardware encryption?

Trojan's in the marketplace.

AdMob able to track the location of your executives.

Android is NOT ready for business.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
dwhco 25th Jun 2010
I'm still on v4.2.2.170 OS with my 8310. The built-in browser is useless, opera mini not much more than that. Why am I still on the old OS? RIM has decided it needs to protect me from me, by way of volume control limitations in the newer versions.

When this particular model wears out, I'll have to decide whether to stay with RIM, or look elsewhere...
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
MobileAdmin 26th Jun 2010
@dwhco OS 4.5 has been out for all 8300's for awhile I highly recommend you upgrade. The Curve is end of life now though so thats the last update you will get. Definate improvement over OS 4.2 though.
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Blackberry Switch
bthamm 25th Jun 2010
Switched from an iPhone to a Blackberry about a year ago. Regret it every day. The keyboard and battery life is nice, but the screen size is awful: it freezes more than my iPhone ever did; drops calls; lacks in functionality; and what they refer to as a "browser" is pathetic.
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RE: Is it do or die for RIM?
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