IT execs declare Apple irrelevant to business

IT execs declare Apple irrelevant to business

Summary: Silicon.com's CIO Jury, a panel of European IT executives isn't salivating over the latest Apple offerings: Richard Yeo, CTO at easyGroup: "Proprietary hardware and software, overpriced, few applications.

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Silicon.com's CIO Jury, a panel of European IT executives isn't salivating over the latest Apple offerings:

Richard Yeo, CTO at easyGroup: "Proprietary hardware and software, overpriced, few applications."

Richard Steel, head of ICT, Newham Borough Council: "[Apple is] still an expensive fashion accessory in the consumer market and niche for business."

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  • IT execs declare Apple irrelevant to business

    Fair enough. You cannot expect a large company to change over to OS X. The costs for new hardware, training, custom applications changes, and other infrastructure changes would be prohibitive. But I would love to hear about a company that grows up with an all-Apple office. I would bet that the savings in software, IT support, fewer security issues and so on would more than justify the hardware costs. Did these IT execs ever consider how things would be if they had the opportunity to find out hor relevent Apple COULD be to their business?
    bsvee
  • Three comments. I guess that ends the discussion on this...

    nt
    BitTwiddler
  • Just take a look at the design industry

    Walk into the offices of most product,graphic, and industrial design firms and 9 out of 10 you'll see where Macs thrive. And here's another view from a comment found in the discussion center on TechRepublic:

    "My Mac's give me about 400% LESS trouble than the Microsoft boxes and I have 2 to 1 - Mac's to Microsoft. If I weren't an in-house admin, I guess I'd really love Windows. They are a constant source of income for consultants and vendors. The constant security threats, viruses and upgrades are the bane of my admin existance."

    http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=9&threadID=166533
    chris jablonski
    • 400% Less ??

      So, let me do the math. For example, each M$ box give you 10 problems per year and each Mac box has 40 fewer problems ??

      100% less would be zero.
      Regulator1956
  • This assessment is not completely accurate

    Though I can understand why some IT executives consider Mac hardware as "irrelevant" to business, the research and innovation that is Apple's hallmark most certainly is not.

    Commonly used technologies such as GUI interfaces, WYSIWYG, USB, FireWire, and wireless networking found their first commercial "light of day" on the Macintosh. So it's quite arguable that Windows PCs would be much less useful and user friendly had it not been for Apple.

    I also must say that as a person who regularly uses both Macs and PCs, there is very little I can do on a PC, that I can't do on a Mac. And as more business systems are web-enabled, that will become more and more the case.
    joshdcohen@...
  • Wow no apps huh?

    I guess if 70,000+ is none then... O.K.

    Spoken like folks that have never actually used a Mac in the last 3 years.
    DebianDog
    • Well, can you blame them?

      "Spoken like folks that have never actually used a Mac in the last 3 years."

      Of course they haven't. I imagine it must be quite difficult to use a Mac with one's head up one's ass.
      Immanuel Tranz-Mischen
  • Apple Is Irrelevant

    Innovation ... name one Apple innovation. They didn't invent the personal computer. They just marketed a PC to the masses, but there already were PCs for the hobby market before the Apple I and II. They didn't invent the GUI, that was Xerox. They just marketed it to the masses.

    Basically, they haven't invented anything at all. They just sport a refined industrial design to their products and charge a premium for it.

    They have a hardcore following of a small percentage of computer users, much like a cult. That's it.

    Apple is irrelevant. Next topic?
    andyhayes1
    • hmmmm

      I don't remember a GUI on a personal computer before the mac or Lisa....nor a mouse, nor a personal laser printer, nor CD-Rom drive.
      What about the newton, which was more powerful 10 years ago then most are today?
      What about apple's set top box that never was mass produced but pretty much was the precursor to Tivo?
      What about the iPod, which may not have been the first mp3 player but was the first to put it all together?
      What about the Apple user interface, which perhaps Xerox had a GUI first, but MS didn't copy Xerox with control panels, garbage pails, minimizing windows, etc etc etc.?
      Of all the IT companies out there, Apple innovates and defines what we think of in the realm of not only computers but also personal electronics. When was the last time HP, Compaq, Dell or even Microsoft brought something to the consumer that we haven't seen before? Apple blazes its own trail and the rest of the industry follows. In the immortal words of Reggie Jackson, Apple is the straw that stirs the consumer computer world's drink
      Joshua53077
      • what about Firewire?

        Apple invented Firewire. Technically this is just
        a fast serial interface, but you could say the
        same about:

        ethernet (all speeds)
        SATA
        wireless lan
        usb
        and so on
        hipparchus2000
      • Re: hmmmm

        I see the Reality Distortion Field is in full effect here:
        Maybe Apple had the first GUI on a personal computer but we all know they copied that from Xerox.
        First mouse - sorry. Doug Engelbart, 1964.
        First laser printer - bzzzzt. Hewlett Packard, 1980.
        First CDROM - who knows?
        1. Newton more powerful 10 years ago than most (PDAs) are today...please! Don't be so silly.
        2. Apple's set top box the precursor to TiVo? Never heard of it.
        3. iPod the first MP3 player to "put it all together"? Eh...put what all together? MP3 players were out long before the iPod that you could upload your MP3s to, record directly to, use as portable storage, purchase music online for...what exactly did the iPod put together?
        4. Your right here - Apple didn't have the GUI first.
        5. Apple may well define what Mac fanatics think of in computers and electronics but the rest of the world isn't so closed minded. We can see a lot of companies who lead in different areas with products that are often much better and cost-effective than Apple's offering.
        ronnie.gibson@...
    • Welcome!...

      To the Apple Is Dead Consortium.

      The "Apple Is Dead" Consortium was founded in 1984, shortly after the release of the original Macintosh.

      We meet once a year to discuss how strongly we feel that Apple will be dead by this time next year.

      All paid-up memembers are provided Hot Coffee, Buttons and a package of freeze-dried Crow that can be enjoyed the year round.

      Notice! - Due to higher-than-normal costs for Crow, dues will be increasing by 25% next year. We apologize for this increase. We have managed to hold the cost of membership low for the last 21 years, but Crow consumtion by the members has increased markedly over the last 5 years and we have no choice but to raise fee's to cover our costs.

      Thank You!

      The "Apple Is Dead" Consortium Management Team!
      BitTwiddler
      • passing of consortium member

        Sadly the consortium has recently suffered a loss itself, with the
        demise of one of the founding members who have had to sell
        their PC soul to the Chinese company , Lenovo.

        No doubt this will increase the crow levy for the remaining
        members, although I understand that HP have had to ask
        permission to waive their premium this year and have been seen
        recently seeking permission to play in the fruit bowl instead.
        They have even asked if they could borrow some of those nice
        little white earbuds if they promise not to say any more nasty
        things about the Granny Smiths in future! ;)

        Cheers

        Rod
        Rod Hagen
    • Perhaps it's time to do a little research

      "Innovation ... name one Apple innovation"

      Gee, what about regions (without them you won't have an
      GUI), the whole Quickdraw toolbox, the mass-produced
      mouse with Stanford Uni (basis of all mechanical mouses
      today), firewire, quicktime, ...

      Then all the innovations that exist because Apple
      promoted them (eg USB, postscript and desktop
      publishing, non-linear video editing).

      "They didn't invent the GUI, that was Xerox"

      To say the Mac OS was just a knockoff of the Xerox
      research is plainly wrong. The GUIs in use today (eg
      windows) are a derivative of Apple's work not Xerox.
      Xerox work remains considerable inspiration and influence.

      eg drop-down menu bars, overlapping windows, etc

      I suggest you take a look at the Xerox work before making
      such a basis claim.

      "Basically, they haven't invented anything at all"

      Perhaps it is time to do a little research.
      Richard Flude
    • Thank you for a stunning display of ignorance.

      How anybody can be so ignorant in the information age is truly astonishing.
      Immanuel Tranz-Mischen
  • IT Execs are irrelevant if you have Macs

    *they just work*.
    No need to have a massive IT team. Easy to use,
    no viruses, no spyware.
    Apple: making the computer as easy as a phone.

    Oops IT exec can no longer justify his inflated
    salary. No wonder he isn't very keen on Apples.
    After all would a mechanic welcome a
    self-maintaining car?
    hipparchus2000
    • Too true.

      Your basic IT "professional" has this complex where they have to see themselves as heroes, rescuing people from viruses or system failures. The only way they can stroke their little egos on a regular basis is to
      a. buy the cheapest, bargain-basement surplus rummage sale generic hardware they can find and
      b. install Windows.

      If you look at Microsoft's ads, and those of other PC hardware and software companies, you can see that they are designed to appeal to this mindset.
      Immanuel Tranz-Mischen
      • Amazing how little techies can't stand their lot in life

        You are obviously a lower level small minded techie who hasn't the slightest concept of what a real IT Exec does for a living. No, I'm not one of those although I have been and didn't like it. Please keep your inane grumbling to yourself and hide your ignorance
        mike@...
    • You don't say...

      I am not writing to bash macs. To me, a long time Windows user, Macs are very confusing but I am sure with a little use I would learn to feel at home with the Mac as I do a Win machine. However, to say they never crash or are not problamatic from time to time is just not true. Maybe it's just the Macs I have been around;o r maybe it's the people I know who are using them, but I have seen them all crash.

      Just because something is repeated enough does not make it true.

      Conputer are like programs. They one you know how to use is the best.
      gakoch
    • You don't say...

      I am not writing to bash Macs. To me, a long time Windows user, Macs are very confusing but I am sure with a little use I would learn to feel at home with a Mac as I do a Windows machine. However, to say they never crash or are not problamatic from time to time is just not true. Maybe it's the Macs I have been around; or maybe it's the people I know who are using them, but I have seen them all crash.

      Just because something is repeated enough times does not make it true.

      Conputer are like programs. They one you know how to use is the best.
      gakoch