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It's official: Microsoft-Yahoo ink 10-year search pact; Regulator scrum begins

By | July 29, 2009, 4:53am PDT

Summary: Updated: Microsoft and Yahoo made it official on Wednesday. The two companies announced a 10-year pact where Microsoft will power Yahoo search. Yahoo also becomes the sales force for Microsoft’s premium properties. The companies said the search deal will accelerate innovation and bring more value to advertisers and Web users. Yahoo and Microsoft also get to [...]

Updated: Microsoft and Yahoo made it official on Wednesday. The two companies announced a 10-year pact where Microsoft will power Yahoo search. Yahoo also becomes the sales force for Microsoft’s premium properties.

The companies said the search deal will accelerate innovation and bring more value to advertisers and Web users. Yahoo and Microsoft also get to focus on their core strengths. Yahoo CEO Carol Bartz says there will be “boatloads of value for our users and industry.” Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says the Yahoo deal gives Bing the scale to compete.

In a blog post, Bartz said:

You’ll still find search boxes all across Yahoo!, but this deal will make the difference between a great Yahoo search experience and an awesome one.

On a conference call, Bartz said that the pact allows both companies to combine forces to take on Google in search. Google has 70 percent of the search market and Microsoft will now have the rest.

Bartz added that “this deal won’t happen overnight. We anticipate closing the deal by early 2010.” She added that once the deal closes Yahoo will transition to Bing search in major markets three to six months after the deal closes. Migration from Yahoo’s Panama ad system to Microsoft’s AdCenter platform will happen in 12 months after close, she said.

Ballmer said that the additional search scale will make the ad market more liquid and close a revenue per click gap with Google.

The wild-card: Will regulators go for it?

Rest assured Google will raise a regulator ruckus. “We suspect we’ll see some opposition from the competitor,” said Ballmer. The companies said:

Microsoft and Yahoo expect the agreement to be closely reviewed by the industry and government regulators, and welcome questions. The companies are hopeful that closing can occur in early 2010.

That may prove to be an understatement.

Also see: Gallery: Ballmer-Bartz ink Microhoo deal

Among the key details (statement, joint Web site):

  • The deal is for 10 years.
  • Microsoft will license Yahoo’s core search technologies for 10 years;
  • Bing is the “exclusive algorithmic search and paid search platform for Yahoo sites’.
  • Yahoo is the worldwide sales force for both companies. Self-serve and search advertising will be built on Microsoft’s AdCenter platform.
  • Yahoo will own the user experience on its properties.
  • Microsoft will pay traffic acquisition costs to Yahoo at a rate of 88 percent of search revenue on Yahoo sites for the first five years. Yahoo will continue its search affiliate partnerships. On a conference call, Ballmer said: ”We paid a high TAC rate. There’s no question. He added that the upside comes as Microsoft improves relevance due to more scale. “Our upside comes as execution really builds,” he said.
  • “Some Yahoo engineers may move to Microsoft,” said Ballmer.
  • Microsoft guarantees Yahoo’s owned and operated revenue per search in each country for 18 months;
  • After 5 years, Microsoft can retake premium ad sales back from Yahoo.
  • The implementation will occur within 2 years after regulatory approval.

Add it up and Yahoo expects an annual GAAP operating income boost of $500 million with capital expense savings of $200 million. Yahoo expects the Microsoft pact to boost annual operating cash flow by $275 million.

There are other notable moving parts. For instance, Yahoo was quick to say that the agreement doesn’t cover every Web property they own. Email, instant messaging and display advertising are not included. Microsoft and Yahoo also say that they won’t swap customer data except for the “minimum necessary.”

Also see: With Microsoft search deal Yahoo risks becoming AOL

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RE: It's official: Microsoft-Yahoo ink 10-year search pact; Regulator scrum begins
makrekdw4701-24353683446298209931137830159757 6th Nov
ieuvpq,good post!
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Pork Chop Date
Chad_z 29th Jul 2009
We used to joke about a particular person being so ugly their parents would have to hang a pork chop around their neck to attract a date.

That's kind of the same feeling I get about Bing. Microsoft has to pay the declining, distant second place in web search to use their technology to get people to use it.

Maybe MS should try the pork chop.
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It's how they roll
rag@... 29th Jul 2009
Whenever Microsoft can't develop a successful product, they buy a company, make it their own, and drive the original buy-up into the toilet.
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Sort of like every business!
Sleeper Service 29th Jul 2009
happy
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I doubt it
Wintel BSOD 29th Jul 2009
M$ is a special case. Along with Intel and Google
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The only 'special' thing here...
Sleeper Service 29th Jul 2009
...is you.

Everybody's doin' it!
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Don't bother to explain it to him..
Michael Alan Goff 29th Jul 2009
Some people just hate companies for the sole purpose of hating it.
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Some people just hate companies
deowll 29th Jul 2009
And Google is starting to be on that list. It's way to big and way to intrusive.

Right now MS can't even do a lot of things that I think are ok that it needs to do because it is seen as the source of all evil by some, and just to big with to much of the market by others. Last and not least it has played dirty in the past.

Now it can't even ship it's own browser on its own OS as does Apple nor can it offer much in the way in cool free aps as does Apple.
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...M$ anti-trust violations going back to the 90s?

Maybe you should consider their "hate" by some to be deserved
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Rightttt....
Wintel BSOD 29th Jul 2009
And I have a bridge to sell you. We just painted it bright green and changed the polka dots from pink to bright yellow...

grin
  • Flagged
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Scene 2009
Graham Ellison 29th Jul 2009
ROSE

"Mr. Andrews, I did the sum in my head, and with the number of
lifeboats times the capacity you mentioned... forgive me, but it seems
that there are not enough for everyone aboard."

Scene 2010
CUT TO: THE DESOLATE WASTES OF A DIMINISHED MARKET

ROSE

"I won't let go. I promise."








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bing - The third name of a search engine run by Microsoft, named as a
tribute to its main competitor: Google. Acronym that stands for: Because
It's Not Google...
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Google has nothing to fear
Mikael_z Updated - 29th Jul 2009
Bing == Because It's Not Google...? grin

Lots of money to Yahoo but not a dent in Google's domination, and MS
will end up wasting a lot of money on nothing.

I don't mind competition but seriously doubt the two dinosaurs Yahoo
and MS are capable of delivering what's required: something new,
innovative and truly useful that Google doesn't have.
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Like relevant links?
Sleeper Service 29th Jul 2009
{NT}
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As of today I will no longer use Yahoo for anything... No searching... No email... Nada... zip...

And there is no way I will ever use bing because bing is a joke and a half.

So Google just up'd it's share by Microsoft getting in bed with Yahoo... ewwwwwww.. can you imagine the hideously ugly kids that Balmer and Bartz would make if someone bred the two??? They both look inbred to begin with... They would spawn the new cast for the Goonies part 2.

So the final score...
Google +1
Yahoo -1
Microsoft - still sucking a goose egg at zero.
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You think your queries account for 10% ?
animageofmine1 29th Jul 2009
@i8thecat, so, you used to use Yahoo till this date, but just because there was a deal with Microsoft, you won't use it now. Sad, you can't even convince yourself.

If you stop quering on Yahoo/Bing and start searching on Google, how much would it make difference happy. Thank again happy

I personally like Bing. It has a lot of different things which google does not have like shopping, travel, healthcare + multimedia search is awesome. I appreciate what is good. It has aa lot to do, but it is not bad. Check out this tool http://blindsearch.fejus.com/, which is basically blind search. You will surely be surprised. May be they can convince you happy Good Luck !
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Don't be such a fool animageofmine1
i8thecat 30th Jul 2009
You assumption is that I think my queries account for 10%??? Where the heck did you pull that from.. wait.. don't tell me... forget I asked.

Yes, I used yahoo up til yesterday. Now because of a deal with Microsponge, I will not use yahoo anymore. I do everything I can to limit my exposure to Microsoft's sleazy business practices. Keeping my traffic count, stats, and marketing information from them is the least I can do.

And no, Microsoft is not the only company out there that is skeevy, sleazy, and unethical. I don't do business with those other companies either. It's a conscious decision that I choose to make. I know that I am just a drop in the bucket, but all those drops do add up.
Wow! Finally Microsoft has reached a deal Yahoo for an
internet search partnership. Will the newly announced
deal between giants Microsoft and Yahoo be a good
thing? Got to wait and see. But atleast Microsoft and
Yahoo deal is straightforward and not complex at all
and ofcourse, the negotiation talks have been going
for long. I was just curious to know all the past
negotiations between Microsoft and Yahoo so collected
all the articles and links (more than 200) related to
the current merger and the previous events or
negotiations between Microsoft and Yahoo. If you are
interested check the link below.
http://markthispage.blogspot.com/2009/07/saga-of-
microsoft-and-yahoo-from-2007.html
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For the most part ...
DaemonSlayer 29th Jul 2009
Everyone M$ has "gotten into bed with" has usually been on the raw end of it in the end.
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So, does Yahoo = Bing, or Bing = Yahoo?
JonathonDoe 29th Jul 2009
I will have to google that to learn more.

wink

Regards,
Jon
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Google should . . .
JLHenry 29th Jul 2009
change it's name to "Doink!" . . .That way we have ALL of the cartoon sounds represented . . . wink

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So will the real Yahoo please step forward!
...as we watch Bing take one giant leap to the
front! haha

But this is really going to confuse Google
Search, because both Yahoo and Bing will be the
same thing. So it's like which cup is the pea
really under? ;-O ..and even then, which pea is
the real Yahoo pea? xD

In the end though, neither partner has an
engine (technologies or market share) to
compete on the same level as Google on Ad &
Database power alone (aside from actually
finding things)! wink
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Of course Google will raise a ruckus
GuidingLight Updated - 29th Jul 2009
This is something they didn't want to see.

Google's revenues dropped 3% from the fourth quarter of 2008, so while they're going it alone in today's market, Microsoft and Yahoo can work together.

And, add to that that Google past history in dealings like this where they present the impression that it should be fine when they do a deal with a company, but not OK when a competitor does the same.
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should be anti-trust issue
Randalllind 29th Jul 2009
If Government says ad deal between Google and Yahoo is not allow. What makes it ok for Microsoft and yahoo?

I think this should be looked at.
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No, not when Google has 70% of the market
No_Ax_to_Grind 29th Jul 2009
They would be the last ones to cry monopoly...
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Confusion of terms
DeusExMachina Updated - 29th Jul 2009
Trusts and monopolies are not the same things.
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Why no go for Google...
Too_Busy_To_Be_Here 29th Jul 2009
Not that tough to figure out...

It's obvious since Google has 70% that adding a deal with Yahoo that makes them stronger should have been squashed.

I can't figure out how people talk about how Microsoft search is junk and of no concern but when they try to do something about it they cry for Anti-Trust restriction.

Can't have it both ways.
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In the EU...
A.Sinic 30th Jul 2009
... Google has well over 90% of the market. MS+Yahoo combined have only about 4%.
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EU's a big place....
kaninelupus 31st Jul 2009
and a big demographic. Don't start ignorantly toting statistics for the entire EU. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that the averages are just to wide-spread to be of any value. Better to look country by country.
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I think they might, but....
zkiwi 29th Jul 2009
That'd only happen if Microsoft started to leverage Windows to gain share. Something that they're definitely liable to do if no one likes Bing search instead of Yahoo's search.
The definition of "Search" should be " to Google
or gather information to find what you're looking
for fast!

The definition of "google" should be "to Search or
gather information in order to find what you're
looking for fastest"! grin
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'fastest'? on what planet?
kurayaminokumo 29th Jul 2009
While I 'May' find A link to what I'm looking for on the first page of Google's search results, I KNOW I'm going to have Several good links from Yahoo's first page of results. Google should be brainstorming how they're going to keep their majority of the market share right about now.
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That's funny, but I use Metacrawler!
i2fun@... Updated - 29th Jul 2009
I don't think Google is too worried, since even
Yahoo and Bing rely on Google's Global Network of
Databases. In fact Google (in case you didn't
know) has the Largest Network of Database Servers
in the World!

If I was Yahoo or MS, I'd be more worried about
what I'd do if those Database Servers went down!
grin

If you don't like Google, that's fine. But those
two being in a partnership collaboration isn't
going to impact Google's market share by much, if
at all. It just combines what they already have.
Less than 30% of the market! :S

I use Metacrawler, mainly because it uses all
these main search results and I can set
preferences for what I like most! wink
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One thing they can do...
DaemonSlayer 29th Jul 2009
Google can kick the bogus hits that are nothing more than keyword dumps and keep them out... how many times have we searched on Google and found a site that "looks" good by the given description, and then it is just a promo site for garbage links and/or pr0n.

SEO has been raped and we all pay for it... and Google gets the worst of it because of their 70% dominance.

Only worry I got about the deal with M$ and Yahoo is that M$ is going to try to rape Yahoo to get ahead.
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leverage it such as...
tmsbrdrs 29th Jul 2009
Changing the default search engine for IE6 (still heavily used) to Bing the moment it was launched. That's an instant boost in Bings usage. I've accidentally used it a few times just from the habit of typing my search term into Firefoxes awesome bar and pressing enter.

With firefox, it's useful. I can type in myspace and bring up myspace.com, type in cnet and bring up cnet.com, type in facebook or youtube or zdnet or google or bing or yahoo and each will bring up the page. With IE, I get taken to bing.com no matter what I type in unless it has a www. at the beginning and .com at the end. That's the behavior of the search engine more than the browser. However, since MS designed both, you'd think it would at least behave as well as Google does with Firefox.

By the way, since Windows is used in so many PCs across the planet and since IE is the default browser on those, there's a very good point as to how bad Bing really is. It was made the default search engine on the default browser for the default OS on the majority of PCs and it still has such a small market share.
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Title should read
xXSpeedzXx 29th Jul 2009
"Yahoo sells soul to Satan"
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Hahahahaha!
TardHugger@... 29th Jul 2009
Here's your hug
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Are you always this 'tardy?
Wintel BSOD 29th Jul 2009
LOL... grin
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I'd bet any amount of money than in 5 years Goog will have
bigger marketshare and Binghoo will be smaller.
Good for Microsoft! Bing has been a far superior search engine for me and offers all of the relevant results I could want. No information overload like you will find with Google, no irrelevant links or spammed blogs. Also, Microsoft's Bing will actually suggest related terms to me. That is awesome.

The people at Google must be shaking in their boots. Is Sergey going to call for another emergency meeting again like when Microsoft Bing first arrived on the scene? Its fun to watch them squirm. I expect more layoffs at Google as well due to their search share declining and the fact they have no other services that could pull them out of their slump. They can cry all they want to the regulators, there is nothing wrong with the Microsoft-Yahoo deal. As always, Google is just wasting everyone's time.
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So...
rag@... 29th Jul 2009
So what exactly is your job at Microsoft?

Do you get to take off the kneepads when Balmer isn't around?
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Spot On!!
mhbowman@... 29th Jul 2009
Not to mention the M$ Cheerleading outfit and matching pompoms.

Whatever the discussion, and regardless of the fact that it's not even being relevent, eventually the fanboys from whatever company, e.g. Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Google, Unix, Linux etc., come out with:

______ Rules, and everyone else sux!!


Let me be the first to say thanks for adding zero to the discussion. Now put down the Kool Aid and don't come back til you have an original opinion.
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The truth revealed at last!
slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin Updated - 29th Jul 2009
So what exactly is your job at Microsoft?

Lovey is Mike's rep.
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Payola
Graham Ellison 29th Jul 2009
I'm a little short this week. Can you please tell me how I too can earn
money throwing paper life-belts to drowning companies - for real
money.

I can blog for Microsoft. I can. I don't want to, indeed it will probably
make me sick to do so, but times are hard and needs must...

So, please please please share your secret.

Now, here's an example of my style:

The day Bing was announced, I Binged: 'bing launch' and this is what I
found: free bingo and the unveiling of the wax figure of famous Chinese
actress Li Bingbing at Madame Tussauds, Shanghai occupied three of the
top five results on Bing.

However, when I conducted the same search on Google, the first page of
Google results was full of stories about the MS Bing launch!

This exercise demonstrated the obvious: Search is about relevance and
results.

No, I'm sorry, I couldn't blog for Microsoft. First of all, I have this
irresistible urge to tell the truth.

Second, it's obvious that both MS and Yahoo are drowning. Offering each
other a hand, will not cause Google to be "shaking in their boots". All
that will happen is that both will drown - not necessarily together, but
eventually.
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After 10 years of "cooperation" MS will have everything they need from Yahoo. They will have infiltrated and learned every industry secret, every line of code every bit of everything that makes Yahoo Yahoo. After 10 years, they will break off and there wont be anything unique...hold your Yahoo stock until after the merge then divest quickly happy
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Yahoo isn't a search engine anyway
Randalllind 29th Jul 2009
Before Microsoft Google power them. Yahoo only broke up with Google when found out. They are like Magnavox which license their name and logo but, doesn't make anything.

Only thing I love about Yahoo is Delicious bookmarks and the plug in they have for Firefox. Other then that I don't care. I hope Microsoft doesn't screw that up.
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Crap Meets Crappier
itanalyst2@... 29th Jul 2009
Things at Google just got better...

Clippy can now play with the Yahoo Chat porn bots, he'll have company.
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Clippy is popular with the bot girls.
xXSpeedzXx 29th Jul 2009
.
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RE: Really?
Bozzer 29th Jul 2009
Google is gamed to death. You think that search engine actually provides anything of relevance? You think people get to the top of the natural listings by being honest and being the most relevant for what you typed in? Ha ha ha.

Hold on, I just can't stop laughing. Ha ha ha. Dude, you are so seriously naive.

And that is before I go into all the privacy issues with Google.

Ahh, good old friendly Google eh!

Ha ha ha.

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Well..
DaemonSlayer 29th Jul 2009
SOME are there honestly, but there are others there that have worked around Google's "defenses" (as they are) against spammers and other SEO tricks to improve ratings. Unfortunately, the SOME level varies way too much (usually not in favor of the honest sites) depending on topics/keywords.
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Rep has given the "all-clear"...
Mike Cox 29th Jul 2009
My rep called me and gave Executive Order 247, "Reopen Yahoo.com for ALL employees". We have been blocking Yahoo for years and now it is official that we should allow our employees to access Yahoo.com. My rep came onsite with 26 MCS consultants to change our ISA Server rules to allow connectivity to Yahoo.com. I then gave a small speech claiming this agreement was one small step for Microsoft, one giant leap for Yahoo.
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RE: It's official: Microsoft-Yahoo ink 10-year search pact; Regulator scrum begins
makrekdw4701-24353683446298209931137830159757 6th Nov
ieuvpq,good post!

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