LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

Summary: A ruling against LimeWire and its founder could be a game changer - but for the better.

A federal judge in New York has delivered a precedent-setting decision around the controversial act of online file-sharing, ruling in favor of the recording industry and sending a message to anyone who facilitates or otherwise enables sharing of copyrighted materials that they will pay - and pay dearly.

The ruling, reported on CNET's Media Maverick blog, said the judge found that the parent company of the LimeWire software, as well as its founder, engaged in unfair competition and induced copyright infringement.

As much as I despise how the Recording Industry Association of America has used legal tactics to try to preserve old school business models and curb the growth of the digital music market, I have to say - and I still can't believe I'm saying it - that the judge was exactly right on this one.

Think about it: this isn't the summer of 1999 anymore. That's when those crazy college kids with powerful PCs and university broadband access were flocking to an online underground music-trading site called Napster. Theoretically, you could share any sort of file - including video - but music files known as mp3s were, by far, the reason people were coming to Napster. It took off like wildfire and, Napster immediately grabbed the attention of music fans - and the recording industry. It lasted about two years before eventually being shut down.

Back then, sharing files over the Internet wasn't so easy. Today, we have a lot of digital files and we share them easily - on YouTube, on Facebook, on Flickr, on Scribd. No matter the type of document, you can upload it to the cloud and give anyone you'd like access to it. That means that the unsigned garage bands, like those who found a following on Napster back in the day, now have YouTube channels, MySpace pages and other online venues to showcase themselves.

As for legal music downloads, iTunes, Amazon and Rhapsody have become household names. And they've been around a long time. That's why I find it hard to believe that anyone - including LimeWire - is still naive enough to think that there's nothing wrong with sharing digital music over the LimeWire network. The idea of getting something like music for free was hard to believe back in 1999. These days, it's almost laughable.

Almost.

I'm sure there are still some naive parents out there who truly don't know what their kids are doing online, including grabbing free music off of LimeWire. The RIAA tried - and was pretty effective at - sending a message by suing random file-sharers. But it took a PR beating for it. Going after LimeWire instead of file-sharers was a good call. The company had to know what was going on on its site.

I do have to say, though, that I was surprised that the judge also named founder Mark Gorton in his ruling, holding him responsible for decision. Maximum statutory damages is $150,000 for each registered work infringed and the network has surely enabled the sharing of millions of tracks. <

As CNET's Greg Sandoval points out, that part of the ruling "could set a precedent that might dissuade other entrepreneurs from challenging the entertainment sector's copyrights when developing new technology."

Maybe. But I like to think that true entrepreneurs will find a way to work within - or around - this decision or any other precedent-setting decision that's still to come. After all, look at how far we've come, despite all of the legal battles - from Napster all the way to this LimeWire ruling.

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  • I wish the media cartels would resume consumer lawsuits

    When they were out suing students and grandmothers there was the chance that the general public would wake up to the massive swindle that the RIAA and MPAA perpetrated on American citizens, and that some actions might be taken to have DMCA repealed. People were beginning to take notice of how the crooks in Congress had given private companies enormous ability to bypass courts and act like government agencies with police powers. <br><br>But the RIAA in particular finally began to wise up and backed away, instead attacking obscure developers. The multi-million dollar judgments look impressive on paper, but there's no chance of ever collecting them, most of the people in these cases don't have any money to even defend themselves. So it's a hollow victory from the financial perspective. Does it deter others? We will see, but remember that the original technology wasn't developed by commercial companies interested in profits, but by individuals were making "cool tools". Are developers going to quit writing "cool tools" because they think that some day, somewhere they might get sued? I don't think so.<br><br>A final observation: one of the main innovations of P2P software was the ability to create networks based on interests in subjects (song and movie names) rather than based on user identity, location, etc. Building that network was the first step needed to enable sharing things, because you have to connect the users who have the material to the ones that don't. Much of that "network building" can now be done using mainstream social networking tools as the authors noted, or by search engines such as Google. <br><br>These companies are not "fly by night" and have considerable legal resources to protect themselves and their own business models. Now that the RIAA and MPAA have finished beating up on the little kids, they will have to go toe-to-toe with the big boys to try and break up the next generation of "sharing networks" and it won't be a cakewalk ...
    terry flores
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @terry flores
      Maybe most people realized instead that uploading thousands of songs was stealing, and recognized arguments like yours as the same crap their teenagers would try to pull on them.
      frgough
      • Not stealing

        @frgough

        Seriously calling it stealing totally minimizes the crime. I can steal your CD and you are only out a CD. Now if I infringe on your copyright that potentially could be life time of income you lose. A little theft is minor compared to someone picking your pocket for the rest of your life.
        voska1
      • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

        @frgough and @voska1

        It is not stealing. Copyright is not an "inalienable right" or even a concept directly associated with property rights. In our Constitution, it is addressed in Article I Section 8, but as a quid pro quo or social contract. "Securing for a limited time" is the key term; limiting the rights of the original creator. When the RIAA and MPAA bribed Congress extended the time limit to a ridiculous extent, they broke the social contract. So I and many others believe the regulations to be unconstitutional, and that the public and even companies who rely on IP for their business will eventually kick Congress into repealing or reforming the laws. In the meantime, widespread disobedience is the indicator that citizens did not approve of this law, and will not comply to it.
        terry flores
      • Ah - "...the sopjistries of villains...

        @terry flores: "I and many others believe the regulations to be unconstitutional, and that the public and even companies who rely on IP for their business will eventually kick Congress into repealing or reforming the laws. In the meantime, widespread disobedience is the indicator that citizens did not approve of this law, and will not comply to it."

        Uh huh. Keep on thinking that.

        It's not theft, huh, because you ought to be able to get that stuff that represents someone's life work for free because you want it and, anyway, that's not *real* work?

        (And i despise the MPAA and RIAA and their jackboot tactics ... but that doesn't mean that i'm not aware that IP is real property and that stealing it is just as much theft as stealing a car.)
        fairportfan
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @terry flores

      Constitutional scholar Flores: I happen to think that the Air Force is unconstitutional! The Constitution ONLY authorizes the Army and the Navy in Article 1 of the Constitution, and there is no amendment that allows an Air Force to be supported. Will you join my cause?
      PMC-CON
  • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

    People still use LimWire?

    I thought it went out with eMule and Kazaa.
    hill60
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @hill60 This case has been going on for ages. While the service may be down, it took the courts a few years to figure things out.
      Stuka
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @hill60 <br><br>It's still around in limited fashion, but as the authors note, there are many different avenues now for file sharing. As for music, the popularity and ease of use of services like Amazon and iTunes are taking bites out of the pie.<br><br>I happened across an interesting video on Youtube awhile back. At first I thought it was an "investigative reporting" news segment. Made by a couple of high school students, it described how a class of students used their school laptops to download thousands of "music videos" from Youtube, extract the songs to MP3 files, and populate all of their music players (iPods). "Music video" turns out to be any video uploaded to Youtube with music in it, most are actually just a static picture of the Album cover with the song playing in the audio track. The tools to download the video and extract the song are free, and the process can be automated to a large extent.<br><br>That's when I realized this wasn't a news piece at all; it was a training video for other school groups ...
      terry flores
  • Let's shut down the highway building companies!

    I mean, they must know that illegal drugs are transported through the roads they build. Criminals also use the roads.

    What about companies that build sidewalks. I've heard that there are crimes there too.

    Of course, people also go on holidays using those roads and have neighborhood events using the sidewalk, but who cares. let's close them because some may use them for ill.

    How is that right?
    rarsa
    • Not just the highways

      @rarsa People talk to each other about the crimes they are going to commit, and those conversations travel through the atmosphere to reach their intended recipient.

      We need to get rid of all this atmosphere that assists law breakers in committing crimes.
      rtk
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @rarsa If a highway or a sidewalk would be built explicitly to traffic drugs, I am sure the feds would indict the builders, despite there also was some legal traffic in those ways.
      Undoubtedly the main reason for Limewire, eMule, Kazaa and others was to trade copyrighted material.
      thirtyseven
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @rarsa

      Yep - let's ban you for making stupid comments promoting services designed for illegal activity.

      That isn't the issue here is it.

      Things that are designed for illegal activity are often banned.

      Things that can be used for illegal activity, but are really designed for other purposes are usually not banned.

      Why is Limewire necessary except for illegal activity - and what is it's primary legal use?
      richardw66
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @rarsa Its actually not the highways ... its cars, bikes, shoes.<br><br>Limewire is a program, it interfaces the user to the "information super highway" ... cars, bikes, even shoes interface the human (good or bad) with the road.<br><br>I could build a network of friends, have all of us together looking at our files via limewire so that if I create something, my friends have the ability to download it, give me feedback, etc ... the "sharing" in file sharing, the content if created by me, is "legal" and sharing it is my choice.<br><br>The problem here, is that the law makes creating a sharing application illegal, regardless of what the intended shared works are ... just the fact that it is a sharing application, thereby makes it illegal, because someone is going to figure out how to make it share something illegally obtained, or illegally "shared".<br><br> ... in the same respect, Google and any other company out there that is making it possible to share a work of any form, is breaking the law.<br><br>(but wait, google docs doesn't allow you to upload mp3's) .... who says the work has to only be MP3's .. I could take the PDF form of a book, extract the text, and paste it to a word document .... and then posting it up on google docs... set it to be allowed to share it with everyone.. poof ... barrier broken. I could create the MP3, rename the file, upload and share the file in Google Docs as an unconverted file (ie. you can upload a word document, and tell google docs *not* to convert it to a google docs format)<br><br>Limewire's people should appeal. While I think all of us can agree (no offence @terry_flores) that sharing IP is wrong on some level, and thusly called "illegal" by the creators of said work, we should also agree that Limewire didn't build a weapon and give it away, they didn't push it into peoples hands, force the people to point the weapon at someone, and then force the trigger to be pulled.. they simply built the box, we the people are the ones using the box to haul our drug of choice, share our "world", or just move ourselves along that digital divide.
      TG2
  • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

    Just because you "think" someting is unconstitutional, does not mean you should go around acting as if it is okay to violate a copyright. If you and others wish to take a stand, seek to declare the law unconstitutional. You'll lose, but at least you'll have tried and won't use it as a convenient excuse for breaking the law so you can listen to free music.
    David Scubadiver
  • @Terry Flores - You should listen to yourself......

    "It is not stealing. Copyright is not an "inalienable right" or even a concept directly associated with property rights."

    What the hell does your "legal" rhetoric have to do with anything? Clearly you've never created something with your own sweat, worked to get it out there for purchase, and then relied on that sale for your livelihood.

    Let me break it down for you:
    Did you take it? Yes
    Was it freely given with permission by the owner? No
    It's stealing.

    Yes, the RIAA are a bunch of dirtbags, and yes they illegally inflated CD prices, but two wrongs don't make a right.

    Solution: Don't buy it, or wait a while and buy for a lot less used, or on Amazon.

    Either way, cut the crap about how you're "legally justified" as you see fit to do whatever you want.
    mhbowman@...
    • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

      @mhbowman@... How does rebuying it on Amazon contribute anything to the copyright owner, the owner only gets any royalties from the first sale, not any sale thereafter.
      Clayman1000x
      • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

        @janesman2007,

        Good point. If I buy a [b]used[/b] CD off Amazon for $3.00, does the owner get any of those get royalties? Or if I privately sold my CD or DVD collection at a big discount? What then? Who gets the money off the sale?

        Even the RIAA doesn't have the resources to go after aftermarket sales. I heard they considered it at one time but even they recognized how ridiculous it would be to do so.

        Once the genie is out of the bottle, it's impossible to put it back in.
        ubiquitous one
  • The atmosphere was not primarily introduced for crime

    The atmosphere is necessary for life.

    The atmosphere was not introduced to allow piracy.

    Limewire was introduced primarily to enable sharing of files in an illegal manner.

    Limewire has no major use for legitimate purposes.

    As a consumer I hate that I will not be able to use Limewire to get free access to other people's property.

    As someone who from time to time produces things of creative value, I dislike the idea that my work should be able to be given away by others - so that I cannot eat or live after I have performed work to produce something.

    As a software developer I wonder how I could possibly earn a living from the hard work of developing software.

    Do I have to make something physical for people to respect my rights?

    Is the work of the mind, the keyboard and the mouse somehow not to be valued.

    Is the work of writing songs not of value?

    Is the work of performing songs, or even of the work of using a lot of fairly expensive equipment to record a song properly not of value?

    Is the costs involved in developing software - such as power, water, food, computer equipment, internet access, etc. not to be counted?

    Will the users of Limewire, or those who promote it's use, pay for that equipment, those costs and my food so that I can live to work for them as slave labour?

    Copyright theft is theft - and the social contract arguments are just mumbo-jumbo from people who don't have a clue about real life.

    If those who argue for Limewire and for theft were prepared to pay for the real costs of the things they want for free then they would have some sort of moral argument.

    But no - they are thieves who don't get it because they have no concept of creative endeavour or of the work involved.

    Like most thieves they believe the world owes them the things they steal, and that somehow nobody gets hurt.

    Like stealing a car and saying, it's ok, they'll be insured so nobody loses.

    Well behind the Studios are a whole lot of people involved in creating something, and if the studios get no money then neither do the workers involved.

    OK - you can argue that the music industry makes a lot - but legalising giving music away makes nothing for anyone.

    The Movie industry makes a lot of money out of movies that succeed, and loses a lot out of the rest of the movies that fail. It's a big gamble, it pays well sometimes, and others lose a lot.

    Make movie sharing legal and no movie makes money, without extensive product placement and in-movie advertising, which would just ruin everyone's day.
    richardw66
  • RE: LimeWire ruling changes game, should deter illegal file sharing

    The cost of producing has gone down considerably in so many aspects of the industry. So why am I still being asked to $10 for a digital album? Why don't they try to meet us halfway? What about pay what you want? Fans who care about this artist making another album are usually more than happy to help fund the next album. Why isn't the industry embracing that? Why do we have to bend to them? Why is our government creating laws not representative of the people's wishes and rather that of a select powerful few? If their business model no longer works they need to adapt. Not get laws passed to protect their failing business models. I'm really hoping the future will be nothing but small labels catering to niche groups. I want all of these giant labels gone like the ancient dinosaurs they are.
    StupidTechZealots-23432415690276115908309621553360