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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!

By | May 27, 2008, 7:33pm PDT

Summary: You’ll need to install WINE and ies4linux if you expect to be able to download files from MSDN. Okay, I confess, I use Microsoft products. A lot. Go ahead and revoke my Linux advocate license, I’m a traitorous clueless fool. Yadda yadda yadda. Have we gotten that out of the way? Great. Maybe I’m being totally [...]

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You’ll need to install WINE and ies4linux if you expect to be able to download files from MSDN.

Okay, I confess, I use Microsoft products. A lot. Go ahead and revoke my Linux advocate license, I’m a traitorous clueless fool. Yadda yadda yadda. Have we gotten that out of the way? Great.

Maybe I’m being totally unreasonable, but with the advent of free desktop and SMB virtualization products, one should be able to have the choice of running Microsoft applications, including Windows, on Linux or any other alternative environment of their liking. My preferred computing environment is Linux — specifically Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5, for the work I do as an infrastructure architect. But I still need to run Windows applications, so lately I’ve taken to running it under Sun xVM VirtualBox 1.6.

I also happen to have a personal MSDN subscription — which traditionally I’ve accessed using Windows systems. However, for the first time today, when building a new VirtualBox instance of Windows XP SP3, I tried to access it and download a few ISO files from the MSDN site so I could mount them in my VirtualBox VM. Oh, I had no problem logging in. But download software? Sorry.

If you actually try to download files using Linux and Firefox on the latest version of the MSDN site — which was launched just about two months ago — you’ll find out that the choices are all grayed out, even though you have a legit entitlement. Curiously, the same problem also occurs for me on Firefox 3 RC1 and Beta 5 for Windows (although others have told me their experiences were different).

Perhaps this has been the case for a while, but with Microsoft being all Interoperability Committed, maybe, just maybe they should consider making their support web sites more platform-independent.

You can, by the way, get around this problem if you install WINE and the way-cool ies4linux program, which gives you a complete IE6 (and experimental IE7) environment with Flash player. You can log into the MSDN downloads site and even use the web-installable MSDN downloader program, as shown in the screenshot above.

Anyone have better luck with Linux and Firefox and MSDN? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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RE: Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Effective points, a sizable variety of lots of many thanks over the author. You'll find it football jersey puzzling to me now, but usually, the usefulness and worth is overpowering.
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Firefox? No.
Yagotta B. Kidding 27th May 2008
On the other hand, the last time I encountered an IE-only site (admittedly several years ago; they're a dying breed) I had no trouble faking it out using Konqueror.
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User Agent Switcher.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 27th May 2008
FireFox, download this, it works very well at sites that are "Optimized for IE". It won't help you pass Windows Genuine Aardvark, but try it. If it works, it will work until MS can update their site to perform some kind of OS test.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59

TripleII

P.S. OK, just to be complete, install it, then set it to IE+Vista (or XP, whatever). I had a person who swore it didn't work and assumed it auto-selected what the site required.
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just a note:
Futurdreamz@... 27th May 2008
I tried downloading IE8 beta.
Works in Safari without spoofing, tho I didn't do anything that
required a dev account, so this post may be entirely useless.
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The downloads off their main site work fine. But things listed under msdn.microsoft.com are the ones that have the issue, and are IE7+ only.
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To tackle websites that are incurably IE-only, one can also use Opera and make it identify itself as IE.
Opera toolbar: Tools - Quick preferences - Edit site preferences - tab Network - Browser identification.

Greeting, Pjotr.
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Very nice tip...Thanks!!! (nt)
storm14k 28th May 2008
nt
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Silverlight usage?
storm14k 28th May 2008
I could be remembering wrong but I needed to download something for a Windows server a couple of weeks ago and I could have sworn that at some point I was blocked by a request to install Silverlight. I don't know if it was intentional or the page didn't render correctly but this request floated up and down on the page, blocked me from doing anything and I could not close it. I said to myself...just another reason to continue to abandon Windows completely. I'm not installing Moonlight on my Linux boxes.
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If you run the KDE desktop you also
devlin_X 28th May 2008
have the option of doing the same thing with its Konqueror web browser. :)

Just go to "Tools" "change browers identification" "Internet Explorer" then choose what version of explorer you want and what version of Windows you wish it to report.
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Also for third party sites
compunaut 28th May 2008
There are some sites that tell you that you must have IE to enter their sites. When that happens, I switch from Firefox to Opera and so far, every time have been able to enter the site. There may be some features that don't work correctly, but I have not yet run into any that have stopped me from doing what I wanted to at the site.
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Companies should not have same rights as people
hamobu-22333136139518773481685514128812 28th May 2008
Since companies control every aspect of person???s life, they should be forced to provide equal access to everybody. Otherwise corporations will have more power than any previous king or emperor in the human history.
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What are you smoking?
tracy anne 28th May 2008
I went here

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=333325FD-AE52-4E35-B531-508D977D32A6&displaylang=en

and downloaded with no bother using Mandriva Linux 2008.1 and Firefox 2.0.0.14
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wrong site -
bcarpent1228@... 28th May 2008
the site where problems occur is the MSDN paid subscription site.
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What are you doing...
bmerc 30th May 2008
..that causes this vision problem you have? The one that prevents you from reading the article and noticing that he stated clearly he was talking about the MSDN site?
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RE: Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!
chrome_slinky@... 28th May 2008
So much for interoperability. Perhaps you should forward this to the EU...I'm sure they would be interested.

Seriously, Microsoft has long talked from both faces, you should know better. The funny thing is they do this sort of thing on MSN, with viewing video content, but it is not uniform - sometimes I can get a video to come up using Opera.
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another IE-only site
bart001fr 29th May 2008
Okay, this one is for games, but still it only accepts IE and will not operate with Firefox.

http://zone.msn.com

Does anyone have a different experience with other browsers?
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Works FF with IE Tab
hnkelley 4th Jun 2008
The site works fine with Firefox 2.0.0.14 with IE Tab. I got in, looked around, and played some (thanks for the site; more time wasters for me).
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Same thing on Technet
bcarpent1228@... Updated - 28th May 2008
Using Vista & Firefox 3 (ie7 mode) all my subscription downloads were grayed out. I always use IE for that site anyway - even prior to the new interface (which sucks) Firefox never worked well on the paid site. (IE-once a week, sort of a penance thing for suggesting MS fully support open source)

Never could understand the logic behind charging for development software (or certify FSF products).
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Contributr
TechNet works on Opera ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 28th May 2008
... kinda. I agree with you though that the new TechNet site is a mess.
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And I was very annoyed when I wasnt able to download things from my Linux or Mac based machines. Actually I had trouble with a Win2k box as well. I had to download their special downloader app in order to download stuff using IE6.
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MSDN new interface = Piece of crap
alan0012@... 28th May 2008
Even for Windows users finding anything in the new MSDN interface and navigating it is extremey painful, time consuming and frustrating. Most probbaly, nobody at MS never used/test this crap!
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Buggy too
Stuka 28th May 2008
A lot of times the drop downs on the left dont drop down. Or so will, but never the one you actually want to get into. Its a major pita.
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This is not the only place Microsoft employs this practice. Anyone tried to log into a Sharepoint 2007 site with Firefox or Open Office lately? Not gonna happen.

OCS also requires IE. These are (supposed) web services. ....HELLO!...ANYONE! Interoperability my tukus.
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It's just SIlverlight
NobodyReal 28th May 2008
They've upgraded their site to use Silverlight. All you have to do is install Moonlight and it should work on Linux.
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Moonlite
Me_too 28th May 2008
And part of the moon is that you must agree with $$ that they own the system, that you paid at lot for, and they will auto-update moonlite and anything else they want to. And they could delete anything they don't like on their system.

Or is it just me-too?
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Contributr
Nope
jperlow 28th May 2008
The site doesn't require Silverlight, or IES4Linux wouldn't work, as it runs in IE 6. They are doing something else to break it.
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Why should we have to install asinine products to view a stinking web page? They should have stuck with Flash instead of recreating the wheel yet again... Besides I and a lot of other Linux users, wouldn't touch mono or moonlight with a 10 foot barge pole.
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What? Don't say that!
jred 28th May 2008
Using Flash isn't the answer!!!!
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Au Contraire
Infecto 28th May 2008
The lesser of two evils...
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simple ...
zoroaster 28th May 2008
MS are unhappy that you're not using their spyware (I.E.7). If you don't let them spy on you, then won't give you any goodies. Now be nice and let the stranger in.

Have you tried running IE7 under WINE to see if you have a different experience?

I have also noticed that if a browser does not set it's ID to IE7 or such, the MS pages actually redirect you to pages which will serve up nothing. Try it - look at the URL of a page in WinDuhs+IE7 vs FireFox on Linux - or even in an all-linux environment with FireFox advertising as firefox then again as IE7.

It's the same rubbish they pulled on Opera years ago.
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Konqueror to the rescue
D T Schmitz 28th May 2008
Maybe someone else reported this already--I was able to start a download into openSUSE 10.3 from msdn.com of Visual Studio 2008 trial edition using Konqueror with site-specific identification of Internet Explorer 6 and Windows XP.
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why the trial edition - wrong site
bcarpent1228@... 28th May 2008
why would you download the trial edition when the full licensed edition is available. Unless you are not on the correct MSDN subscriptions site (as the story indicates)
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NACK
D T Schmitz 28th May 2008
Try it yourself.
to be IE6 on WinXP. Anything else and it was sluggish if it worked.
I Used it from openSuSE 10.3 too.
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RE: Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!
atari8bit@... 28th May 2008
This started a while ago, but Mozilla had a patch. Now it's M$ again ******* with everything and it is SSOOOOO friggin tiring. I quit IE 1 year ago and it's not being used on ANY of my computers (5 home machines). I can't take this anymore because of their messed up thinking. Totally nuts.
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Hoping it won't be a problem soon...because
mikifinaz1@... 28th May 2008
If the boneheads at Microsoft keep it up by saying "Vista, what problem?" and must be those stupid customers, why don't we build and Advisor tool to tell them how stupid they are?

You won't have to worry about WindBlows systems, everyone will be using Windows 2K, XP or Linux unless they buy a nice Mac of course.
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RE: Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!
jfreedle2@... 29th May 2008
I have not downgraded to Linux, so I really don't have an issue with the subscription downloads.
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You mis-spelt " upgrade".
hkommedal 29th May 2008
My OpenSuSE 10.3 works great on that site when I use Konqueror and set it to tell the site that it is IE6 on WindowsXP.
Konqueror is also a much better browser in other ways:
It will use split (and resplit) windows as YOU like it.
It will let you use tabs.
It will let you use ANY combination of the above.
It has had theese functions for years.
If anything tries to send you nasties, you are WARNED first !

And : Anti-virus is NO LONGER needed !

Try an UPGRADE !
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RE: Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!
kwacka Updated - 29th May 2008
great marketing - piss off the paying subscribers & allow those that aren't.

(****, hit the 'reply to story' button again)
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Microsoft has always tried to find ways to force web users to use Windows. This is why they lost the lawsuites and this is why they will continue to get people angry at Microsoft!

This is a good thing. The most successful advertisement for switching to Linux is Mirsoft's own actions. The more they try to block or disabled non Microsoft products, the more they will drive people toward Linux!

It is just such practices that finally made me dicide to go through the trouble of learning to use Linux!

Guess what? It was easy, and it is stable! Need I say more?

Mark Heinemann
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IE6 or IE7 on Linux? Licensing?
PMC-CON 31st May 2008
I don't know the program ies4Linux well enough to say for sure, but unless they are a complete reverse engineering project, I believe that the IE6 and IE7 license say that you have to be running Windows to download and install them. You acknowledge that when you install it and perhaps when you run it.

If Open Source programmers actually think that licenses mean something (which I doubt), not matter how cool you think a reverse hack is, or how it proves some point, you'd better pay attention to IP laws.
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Never Will Be a Linux Desktop Market
PMC-CON 31st May 2008
You have to choose your poison: Apple or Microsoft. Canonical may make a litle dent, but there's no way the Linux desktop will become wide-spread.

If RedHat has given up, so should you.
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RE: Linux Users: no MSDN downloads for you!
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Effective points, a sizable variety of lots of many thanks over the author. You'll find it football jersey puzzling to me now, but usually, the usefulness and worth is overpowering.

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