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Mac vs. PC: Does it matter, since the browser is everything?

By | August 5, 2011, 8:17am PDT

Summary: The latest xkcd cartoon says it all. When so much is run within the browser, does the Mac vs. PC debate really matter anymore?

The Mac vs. PC battle rages on.

Source: xkcd

Apple fans are on the most part staunchly against anything relating to Windows, and Microsoft fans are baffled and confused at anything relating to Apple.

But the online cartoon, xkcd, personifies this ongoing war of words between the two camps, and nails it down to one single point.

“And since you do everything through the browser now, we’re pretty indistinguishable”.

Well, someone had to say it.

I have two machines — a recently updated PC upstairs in my office; a tower computer with two monitors, running Windows 7 Ultimate x64.

And my recent purchase of the new MacBook Air has not gone without many questioning my sanity.

Going into the Mac vs. PC debate is pointless, and frankly would be endless and go on ad infinitum. I would never stop comparing the two operating systems, the hardware they both have, the power consumption or the social status so many aspire to achieve.

But I look at the two machines I run — my MacBook Air downstairs, actually in front of me as I type this — and find besides the aesthetic disparity, both are all but identical in what they do.

I run Chrome on both machines — Windows and Mac OS X Lion — simply for the reason that it runs consistently and superbly on both operating systems. I have Office 2010 upstairs and Office 2011 on my Mac. I also have Skype, iTunes, Windows Live Messenger and Messenger:mac running on both.

Besides that, I barely run anything else.

I appreciate not everyone has the luxury of running what may appear to be quite a simple technological life. But when so much is provided from one shortcut icon on the desktop, does it really matter what is on the periphery?

Start menu or Dock, window title bar or persistent top menu — it isn’t even what you focus on when you’re browsing anyway.

But while my email is cloud-hosted, it is accessible via my BlackBerry, my iPod touch, my Mac or my PC — either from Outlook on both computers or through the web browser; again on both. My Skype conversations and instant messaging contacts are available on the two machines, as are my Dropbox sync’d documents.

Again, this rolls back to being an operating system agnostic. I am, and I bet money you are too.

But so many are stuck in their ways and frankly afraid of going anywhere else, let alone learning a new environment, they stick with what they know best and barely deviate outside their hollow little worlds.

I took the jump, and feel so much better for it. Regardless of device I am using, I now know the platforms of both Windows and Mac OS X. Granted, I’m stronger on Windows because I’ve used it more. But I am, rather quickly if I am honest, getting there with the quirks and differences with Mac OS X.

Yet all of this is waffle. It boils down to one, simple point.

My world is in the browser. So many people’s worlds are in the browser. From email to games, productivity to office documents — even the browser itself.

To survive in this new and emerging world, not only do you need to run your applications on all platforms available — at very least cross-platforms to Windows and Mac — you need to branch out to the web, too.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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Zack Whittaker

I worked briefly with Microsoft UK in 2006 but no longer have any connection with the company. Regardless, I remain impartial and unbiased in my views.

I don't hold any stock or shares, investments or industrial secrets in any company, but have signed confidentiality agreements with a number of UK and U.S. organisations, whose names I am not at liberty to disclose.

I was involved with Kent Union, the University of Kent's student union, undertaking voluntary, non-salaried, elected positions between early 2009 and mid-2010.

No other company, body, government department, non-governmental organisation or third sector organisation employs me or pays me a salary in any capacity whatsoever.

As a freelance journalist, whenever expenses are given and taken by a company that is not CBS Interactive, these will be disclosed in each relevant post to ensure transparency.

I currently work with a UK law enforcement unit, but this is an entirely separate position which bears no connection to other work.

(Updated: 23rd October 2011)

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Zack Whittaker

Zack Whittaker, criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

He first had academic work published at the age of 22, then still an undergraduate, and has been cited by a wide range of publications: from CNN, the Huffington Post, AllThingsDigital, The Atlantic Wire and CBS News.

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Jguilianni 28th Apr
I have written a really informative article on why you should you switch. Check it out... http://thechurchofapple.com/2012/04/23/why-you-should-switch/ while you're there, check out the other really informative articles as well.
If browsers were the only thing that matters, we would all be working on chromebooks.
But we don't...


And BTW I am not using browser for e-mail, productivity, games or office. You seem to be assuming that if you are doing it then so does everyone else.
@Scrabbler I agree with the Chromebook sentiment. If we were all "truly" browser based then the Chromebook would be fine. Problem there is that there are very few applications for Chrome OS. Multi-platform applications for Macs/PCs are great -- but the browser is still where we spend most of our time.
@zwhittaker

Who's "we"?
@zwhittaker I browse the web in my browser, nothing more. Serious stuff does not belong in a browser.
@zwhittaker

My time is spent divided between IE9, Firefox, Microsoft Office, Windows Live, Zune, and Paint.NET.

I have yet to see anyone completely live in a browser for more than a few minutes.
@zwhittaker

"...but the browser is still where we spend most of our time."

Really, I don't spend most of my time in my browser. I spend most of my productive time in RDP sessions, vSphere, fat client applications, email (Outlook for our org.), and I spend only the time that is needed to google what I need to and to interract in SharePoint.

At home, okay I use it more, but still I do quite a lot with traditional software apps.
@zwhittaker
The fact that you use Chrome as a browser and probably GMail for your mail already excludes you as a basis for example. If you want to live your life integrated into the Google spynet, then the OS you use is unimportant.

Otherwise, you are quite right that we are moving to the point where the OS is irrelevant. This should move Linux up the scale of utilisation as well. For the moment, there are sufficient differences between the OS's to suit various preferences.

I use Win XP, Win 7, OS X.6, OS X.7, and Ubuntu 11.04 for different reasons. But, when I have a choice, for the moment, I would fall back to one of the Mac OS's. It just provides me with the smoothest user experience. But, you are right, Win 7 is the most Mac-like Windows yet. And Linux is getting ever closer.
@zwhittaker Spend most of our time doing what?
@zwhittaker

Nice article but this would be truly true if this is posted after a decade where everything is on Cloud ..{{inside browser}} then companies will try to build a complex browser dependent OS s
Any way Nice article ... Sam http://geekwindow.com
I just paid $22.87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $675 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, BidsOut.com
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@zwhittaker
It's true that not everyone can work via a web browser, but MOST people can. In an age of reducing costs, this point matters. Most of my employer's users can function just fine with Google Apps (which is a hell of a lot cheaper and more user-friendly than Lotus Notes), and the few that need access to legacy, custom, or desktop-only applications can use them via Citrix Receiver on most OSs and devices that currently exist.

Vendor lock-in is still here, but it's moving to the cloud/service level, rather than sitting at the client level. In a few years, thin client functionality will probably be all that most people need, and power-beast PCs will be limited to developers and gamers. Even then, lots of cloud dev environments are starting to pop up. We're headed back to the mainframe mentality.

BTW, applications are written for the Chrome browser, not Chrome OS, so they can run on any OS that can run Chrome (including a some new televisions and DVRs): https://chrome.google.com/webstore?hl=en-US
@Scrabbler
I could not agree more. Although I spend some time browsing, most of my work is not done in the browser. Whoever is producing these fluff pieces is not doing any serious productive work beyond writing a few columns, apparently.
After I upgraded to a Gaming Rig... I never sleep anymore. I just play RPGs. happy I only use the browser for news for an hour, search for cheat codes and walkthroughs etc then gaming all the way...
There are many more things that Mac and PCs do to differentiate; Word Processing, Spreadsheets, Programming, Content creation, Games, etc.. I think most of the people who are browser-centric will go to a tablet, while most of the people who do one of the above will stick with Mac or PC...
And when they switch to a tablet, they are in for a surprise.
There are 400000 apps and browser sucks.
@hjenkins1
The ratio of content consumers vs content creators is 10:1 so there are a lot more people who would gravitate towards the tablet...
@prof123 - true, but the LCD factor means everybody will be shoehorned into one lump group. Especially if the Terms of Service (TOS) make it more profitable for "The Company" to do so. And right now, customers are being herded into neat LCD "mass market" groups, companies sit back and rake it in, and the developers/content creators are stuck in the middle.
@hjenkins1
Google Docs works well for spreadsheets. That said, I originally made those I use often in Excel. But for a quick look, it is easiest to click on Docs and it is right there, on both computers via the Google Cloud.
@mytake4this
Only for less complex smaller sheets.
If you do anything other than that you have only one choice: Excel
@rhonin and OpenOffice is not a choice specifically why?
@jgm@...
Tried OO and found for the more complex documents (formulas, links, embedded objects), larger docs (especially spreadsheets) and presentations with links and animations OO was unable to handle them.
We were spending lots of time fixing these docs...
Add to that our document control system, it renders into PDF on display, had issues trying to work with OO docs, either in native format or converted. It is designed fir MSO docs, PDF and text.
Btw, we also extensively use MSProject and Visio.

OO just does not work for us....
@hjenkins1 GAMES GAMES GAMES! ... UPGRADES CROSSFIRE, SLI etc happy
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I'll take it one step further
toddybottom 5th Aug
I'll jump straight to "PC vs tablet/smartphone: does it matter?"

PCs (and I include Macs since Macs are PCs) are so 2010. Okay, I'm exaggerating of course but the writing is on the wall. This whole "Windows vs OS X" argument is going to seem quaint in 5 years, not because everything is in the browser but because most everything will be done on a tablet or smartphone.

Unfortunately, iPad and iPhone will be our only choices in 5 years since everyone else will have left those markets after years of losses.
@toddybottom -- You sure live in a small world
@sackbut

not a single question about it!
@toddybottom Without keyboards, I don't think so. For decades people have been trying to come up with a better input device and nothing ever takes off.
@toddybottom - they use the same hardware. (EFI being the exception)

They thankfully don't use Windows, unless the user wants Windows.

Most of us want OS X.
@HypnoToad72
Why?
If this was the case we would see mre global adoption.
Sorry - not seeing it.
@HypnoToad72
Were you looking in the mirror today? I guess you're not immune your own powers of suggestion.
@toddybottom
Seriously doubt that.
Big business does not move that quickly and they are the drivers.
Win8 vs iOSX - not sure how much I am looking forward to that. plain
@toddybottom
Being in network support and trying to learn to be a programmer, I can't imagine any of my productivity done on those devices. Or even certain tools like Maya, Photoshop, Visual Studio and the like.
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Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! Updated - 7th Aug
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! -- Great comment, thanks for your contribution!
@zwhittaker

Unfortunately Zach, neither you or DTS are the majority of computer users.

You might as well say forget everthing except Twitter, because the most important computer use is telling each other how we feel in 140 characters or less.

The browser may suit you, but that's more a definition of your limited computer use and low expectations than anything else.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!

please explain to me what enterprise is moving back in to the dinosaur age with KVM and thin clients.... and while we are at that why are you talking about Linux in a windows and mac post or are you just trolling?
@Knix96 Troll..all the way.
@Knix96

just trolling... nevermind! Here is speaking about kvm and thin clientes but the post is about "web browsing and why there is no difference in pc or mac anymore" LOL
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Now knix, would I kid you? No.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! 5th Aug
@Knix96
Seriously, major dollars can be recouped by running Desktops from the Datacenter. Think about it, and you'll realize that VM save on power consumption, software, hardware maintenance, annualized man-hour support labor-expense, thin-clients have no moving-parts, the list goes on.

You can apologize now.
@Knix96 VMs are increasingly important. You could argue that the web browser itself is just a kind of terminal (and I think a LOT of applications are and will have their UI delivered through a browser).

However, as compute resources continue to fall in cost I think the rush to move everything to the data centre will slow. I think a LOT of applications will be distributed. I have already run Xcode like this (many times). Putting computers everywhere to run one kind of terminal or another is going to mean there is a LOT of compute resource deployed OUTSIDE the data centre, we'll want to be able to use this.

Do I think Mac vs (Windows) PC matters? Yes. If your application requires either. Personally I have Macs as part of a mix of platforms. I don't see them going away (quite the opposite in fact).

One thing, GNU project computers are here for the long haul (at present this means Linux... and for the foreseeable future, but that's the nice thing about Unix, the actual implementation details aren't really that important).
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! - While I don't have your numbers for sales growth, I do agree that many enterprises are utilizing VDI to simplify app management and to ensure their users have a consistent experience. This is not necessarily a thin client approach, as many enterprises are utilizing Citrix to do app streaming or similar. This strategy does not apply to ALL users in an environment, but rather to those whose roles are fairly commoditized (call center, warehouse, secretarial) and whose computer needs are clearly defined.
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William Farrell Updated - 7th Aug
@William Farrell

+1 LOL happy
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!

For once I actually can agree in part with something you have written. In my current org we are going Citrix, deploying many Wyse Thin Clients. Now these do have embedded Win7 but they primarly access a remote Windows desktop. Of course they could access any desktop but where I agree with you is that the desktop is moving to the datacenter big time.

This is a natural migration. We have reduced our power consumption, cooling challenges, data integrity and reliability, reduced costs even with investments as ROIs are realized quickly.

I love VMWare!

I also love Win7 in the Enterprise, server 2008 and the suite of MS server technologies. And Citrix is finally proving to be a good direction (but not without a ton of big problems).
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Validation from someone who actually works in a Datacenter
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! 5th Aug
@Raid6
This is a major trend for cost reduction and security enhancement in the Enterprise setting. I should know.
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Why should you know?
Mister Spock 5th Aug
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

You do not work in a datacenter. I believe you do not know, but that is just my opinion based on your previous posts.
plain
@Raid6

It's another example of those who don't learn from history, repeat it. This is all about control and restriction and that suits DTS fine. Once again he's the high priest of computing and it may be only a phone center he's running (probably the last one not outsourced to India) but he's got those pesky users locked down tight wink

We've done this so many times before and while it may be risky to give your employees powerful tools and responsive applications it's preferable to making them cogs in your machine reading scripts, watching their web apps grind to a halt as their internal and external bandwidth chokes.

If cost reduction and security enhancement are a higher requirement than productivity and employee job satisfaction, it means IT is running the business for its own purposes wink
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! --

We don't agree on everything, but corporations are moving back to the dumbtube philosophy.

But we all know the saying, "eggs in one basket".

Distributed computing will return once there's enough splattered yellow goo to make a dozen thousand billion omelets or so...
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate!
Hyper-V FTW !
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I have written a really informative article on why you should you switch. Check it out... http://thechurchofapple.com/2012/04/23/why-you-should-switch/ while you're there, check out the other really informative articles as well.

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