Microsoft vs. botnets: Vendors as CSI could become weird

Summary: Does Microsoft's public-private approach to taking down botnets scale? And if so what's the role of tech vendors?

Microsoft and financial services groups---along with U.S. Marshals---have announced raids on servers that were used to deliver botnets and allegedly conduct cybercrime.

The raid, touted by Microsoft, and detailed in depth by Stephen Shankland at CNET News, could elicit two reactions as the tech news cycle plays out. First, there's the kudos to Microsoft and the thought that more tech vendors should aim to disrupt cybercrime. And then there's the weird feeling that vendors can be too tangled up in law enforcement.

A botnet attack map from Microsoft's complaint via CNET. Credit: Microsoft complaint.

Microsoft's motives are clear. The software giant presses complaints and law enforcement agencies to crack down on cybercrime. Why? Microsoft is usually the biggest target. However, that situation could change. Windows is targeted today and tomorrow it could be Google's Android and Apple's iOS. Will there be a trio of tech giants going on ride alongs too?

Your reaction to Microsoft's raid with Financial Services – Information Sharing and Analysis Center (FS-ISAC) and NACHA – The Electronic Payments Association, as well as Kyrus Tech Inc. may break down into those two aforementioned buckets. Here's a look at the two possible reactions.

The kudos

Tech vendors could form Justice League vs. cybercrime. Credit: DC

Tech vendors could form Justice League vs. cybercrime. Credit: DC

On the surface, it's fascinating that Microsoft has a digital crime unit that can conduct "legal and technical action" against botnets.

Microsoft presses legal action---this time in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York---shares investigations with authorities. This raid took out servers in Scranton, PA and Lombard, Ill. The servers allegedly delivered Zeus botnets.

For Microsoft, the latest raid represents the fourth botnet takedown. A precedent has been set. Now Microsoft is going for strategic disruption of botnet and cybercrime operations.

If you applaud Microsoft's actions then a natural extension here is to wonder what would happen if Google, Apple, Microsoft and Cisco---maybe Intel and IBM too---joined forces to take out marauding botnet servers. That group of tech giants could form the core of a cybercrime Justice League if you will. We'll draw straws over which vendor gets to play Superman.

In any case, Microsoft's raids, complaints and coordination with partners are impressive. Perhaps that approach should be replicated.

And then there's the queasiness

Where things get odd in this Microsoft vs. the botnets scenario is that in many respects the role of law enforcement can become murky. Do we really want vendors on ride-along raids?

Microsoft raids botnet servers with law enforcement. Apple works with San Francisco cops to track down a lost iPhone prototype.

Tech vendors meeting CSI could get a little weird should this collaboration scale. What's possible when law enforcement agencies and tech giants collaborate? The outcomes are both good (cybercrime takedowns) and bad (surveillance and Big Brother outcomes).

There's also the realization that law enforcement is most likely completely outgunned on cybercrime. Is it worrisome that law enforcement needs Microsoft prodding and help to dent cybercrime?

Most of these efforts can be boiled down to private-public partnership on law enforcement and security issues. Nevertheless, Microsoft's cybercrime CSI routine can seem a bit odd---especially if it is replicated by other tech giants.

Where do I stand on these two arguments? I come down somewhere in between. It's nice to see botnet takedowns, but project forward a bit and you can see potential problems ahead. For now, it's worth pondering the tech vendor as botnet Justice League role.

Topic: Microsoft

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  • What are these potential problems?

    Discovering a bot host is pretty easy and doesn't require sophisticated software. MS is required to collect the information from millions of victim PCs to identify the targets.

    Again once identified bringing it down isn't complicated. Frankly I'm sick of all the attacks coming from infected PCs, it's about time MS stepped up and looked to clean up their mess.
    Richard Flude
    • I think the issue is, to use a quaint American cliche

      That of collateral damage.
      ego.sum.stig
  • corporations and the government

    well it's all fun and games until the corporation does something wrong, and the government looks the other way (like creating a monopoly, engaging in anti-competitive behavior, plagurism, etc).

    Most of the problem stems from security issues surrounding windows, so maybe it's thier mess to clean up. Who will tackle the spam issue, which is where all the malware is coming from??? BAD BAD email spam, and no hero in sight.

    And what of the eastern europeans?? Who will save us from them?? More than 10 percent of traffic was from eastern europe, FOR A LOCAL EVENT, mostly bot after bot searching for a way into the site.

    This is no answer to the problem, but it is a nice feel good, and perhaps it will quell the "brown tide" of Bull#*@t that I get daily in my email.

    It really should go deeper, into better practices, less (no) email from corporations overall, especially in the financial industry.

    Finally, the government should step up, and find out how the internet works, and recognize thier responsibility to US citizens privacy, and stop pretending the internet is a toy, and enact the same laws for email that are in place for snail mail. The post office doesnt' have to be just physical mail.

    stay tuned!
    sparkle farkle
    • Arrggh

      I tried this on a willing victim. He had to choose between living the rest of his life getting malware-infested spam, or having the Internet taken over by the Post Office.

      He's in the hospital now, in a coma.
      Robert Hahn
  • Microsoft vs. botnets: Vendors as CSI could become weird

    Very much kudos to Microsoft for taking a step up in what the authorities did not want to do, or at least not willingly want to do. I don't see anything weird about having vendors investigate since they will have a lot more indepth knowledge of how the botnet works, its OS, and applications than the feds will. You have nothing to fear.
    Loverock Davidson-
    • So, how's about your systems getting investigated by say

      Google, Mozilla, Oracle, IBM, Cisco, etc blah blah blah. I'm sure if you really honest vis a vis Microsoft, then you'd have no concerns about other reputable vendors tootling around your systems and zapping stuff they thought was bot code, or some other form of malware.

      Even poor little me, I'm nice and really want the best for you, and I'm reputable too. Would you let me "fix" your systems, just because I know best?
      ego.sum.stig
      • Have At It!!!

        If they are looking for botnets. Why do so many closetly support the criminals????? That is the question?????
        eargasm
  • Getting to the core of the problem...

    Huh. No Botnets on machines that use operating systems from other companies? Weird, huh?
    Tony Burzio
    • Oops

      Search for:
      Mac botnet being used in DDOS attacks
      It is a ZDNet article.

      Sorry but ZDNet is picky about posting actual links.
      toddbottom3
  • About time

    Only way it could be done since DOJ is clueless and M$ has lousy security. Frankly, this might give some ambulance chaser the bright idea of a class action suit anginst M$ for failure to secure their products.
    droidfromsd
  • First...

    Microsoft did not conduct a raid on anything, law enforcement did.

    Do I think having the tech giants go after this scum is a good thing? In every possible way YES.
    NoAxToGrind
  • Botnet delivery

    The real question becomes, does the Server farm have any idea of what their servers are doing?
    hayneiii@...
    • Simple answer

      That is their responsibility. Just like it's your responsibility to keep your guns from being used in a crime. (Assuming you own one. If not substitute car.)
      NoAxToGrind
  • millions of Windows computer infected

    and there is still people pretending WIndows is as secure as Unix, linux or mac Os X
    theo_durcan
    • Uh oh,,

      Clue, these "infected" servers are running *nix.
      NoAxToGrind
      • Wow!

        Opens mouth and foot gets stuck in it!!!!
        eargasm
      • Not so uh oh...

        The command and control servers are not infected (in most cases -- there have been instances of battling systems reported). The systems they control -- the members of the botnet -- are infected.

        No infection required for the C&C servers to perform their functions.
        DNSB
      • Then why is Microsoft the "expert"?

        Just asking.
        radleym
      • Talk about foot in mouth

        Where did you see the OS of the servers? I find no such thing in either the MS blog or the CNet article. Wishfull thinking perhaps?

        In any case, the servers were purposely configured to serve up the botnet client, so they are NOT infected.
        anothercanuck
  • I worry

    When corporations become police forces where does the action end? I understand why Microsoft would do this. I'm just not sure that I want any corporation playing police force.
    fldbryan@...