Between the Lines

Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Microsoft's elephant in the OS room: Apple

By | April 25, 2008, 6:47am PDT

Are all of those Apple OS X vs. Vista commercials making an impact? Microsoft’s client revenue–Vista and XP came in below expectations–and the company cited three primary reasons: A tough comparison from year ago levels, OEM inventory build and piracy. But the elephant on the conference call may have been Apple and its Mac.

Microsoft’s three reasons for the client malaise are all legitimate. What’s curious is that piracy–always a big deal for Microsoft–was mentioned 12 times on the conference call by CFO Christopher Liddell and analysts, who were following the software giant’s lead. The takeaway: Microsoft is facing tough growth comparisons and any blip in piracy levels can be the difference between Vista and XP hitting Wall Street targets. If Microsoft didn’t need that extra percent of growth or two it’s unlikely we’d get a conference call where piracy chatter was dominant.

Also see: Salesforce dumping 4,000 PCs for Macs?

But let’s dig deeper: Could it be that the real elephant in the room was Apple? Let’s be real: Apple isn’t taking over operating system dominance, but it is growinapplemac.pngg fast enough to take away a few incremental dollars from Microsoft.

Pacific Crest analyst Brendan Barnicle connects a few dots in a research report:

Microsoft provided three explanations for the shortfall in Client revenue. First, that the OEM channel had built inventory ahead of the Vista launch last year, which drove 20% unit growth last year and made for a difficult comparison; second, that inventories at OEMs were higher than normal after fiscal Q2 (Dec.), which resulted in less OEM demand in the current quarter; and third, that it experienced higher piracy rates in Asia in the quarter.

While we cannot confirm the piracy rates, we have looked into inventory levels at the OEMs, and the Pacific Crest hardware analysts do not believe that the OEMs built inventories a year ago or in the last quarter. Microsoft’s first two explanations are not consistent with our hardware analysis.

Microsoft’s Client revenue results are also inconsistent with results from Intel and elsewhere in the PC supply chain. Apple, however, could provide an explanation for the shortfall, if it is taking market share. Microsoft certainly did not admit to losing share to Apple, but the most recent NPD data, which is provided below, suggest that there could be some share shift from Microsoft to Apple.

Anecdotally, Barnicle is on to something.

Consider the monthly NPD stats for the first quarter.

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Now contrast that with what Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer had to say about Mac growth. Apple shipped 2.29 million Macs in its March quarter, a tally that was well ahead of expectations.

Oppenheimer noted:

We are extremely pleased to have shipped 2.29 million Macs, just shy of the record number of Macs we sold this past holiday quarter and representing 51% growth over the prior March quarter’s results.

This is a 3.5 times the overall PC market rate of growth for the March quarter based on the latest forecast published by IDC, up from the 2 to 3 times market growth rate we have been reporting almost every quarter for the last three years.

Sales of desktops grew 37%, driven by strong demand for the iMac, as well as increased sales of Mac Pro, which we updated in January.

Sales of portables grew 61%, driven by continued strong demand for Macbook and Macbook Pros, both of which were refreshed during the quarter, as well as the successful launch of the Macbook Air. Macbook Air represents a new portable category for Apple and customers have responded very well to its breakthrough design and ultra portability.

Apple’s global market share is only 3.3 percent among the 69.5 million PC shipped in the March quarter, according to IDC. But that market share tally is up from 2.5 percent in the March quarter a year ago. Why do those Apple gains matter? Those Mac sales most likely came at the expense of a new Windows machine.

Barnicle goes out another limb and argues that Apple is even taking away a little enterprise share. He writes:

In our Pacific Crest Mosaic surveys, we have seen increasing evidence of Apple taking share in the enterprise market. While Apple is not the only reason for the Microsoft Client shortfall, it seems plausible that it could be a larger factor than acknowledged by Microsoft. As a result, we are somewhat skeptical of Microsoft’s assumption that its Client revenue will snap back next quarter.

Barnicle’s take has some merit. Oppenheimer noted that a third of the Fortune 500 was signed up for the iPhone enterprise beta program. If these folks are interested in the iPhone chances are good that they aren’t averse to bring Macs into their IT shops.

Meanwhile, Apple activity has been picking up on our sister site TechRepublic, a community of IT professionals. Consider the following:

  • Between 2000 and 2005, TR members made 97 forum posts that contained “Apple”.
  • In 2006 that number skyrocketed to 62-a 220 percent to increase over a 19.4-post average for the period between 2000-2005.
  • In 2007, there were 108 posts TR-a 74 percent jump.
  • In 2008, that 2007 figure is likely to be eclipsed.

TR’s audience is comprised of the folks that actually implement stuff. It’s not the fanboy crowd. One sample response from an IT exec:

I started out as a Windows/Novell man, but now I advocate for Mac purchases and make them as much as I can. Two main reasons I do this: 1) on the whole, they require less time to support, much less time, actually, because the OS runs better and there are fewer malware concerns; 2) I practice the philosophy of keeping it simple. Mac software is easy to use and, more importantly, easy to teach to my IT employees. Macs and their server software are quite sophisticated, really, but I think back how many times did I actually try to make some kind of circus-like trust-object-hoolahoop-like security rights in Novell? Maybe once or twice in 10 years.

Rest assured that the Apple quote was buffeted by a bunch of Windows supporters as is often the case on ZDNet. But those pro-Mac comments are becoming increasingly common among IT types. It remains to be seen whether Apple can be a real enterprise player, but it doesn’t have to do much to be a thorn in Microsoft’s side. All Apple has to do is nibble and it will be harder for Microsoft to hit its client revenue growth targets–especially against tough comparisons.

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RE: Microsoft's elephant in the OS room: Apple
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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What's the bottom line
ted185@... 25th Apr 2008
What percentage of total desktop computers sold were mac's?

How many dells, hp's, acers or generic with xp or vista were sold in the same time frame?
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IDC figures
Larry Dignan 25th Apr 2008
From the story:

Apple?s global market share is only 3.3 percent among the 69.5 million PC shipped in the March quarter, according to IDC. But that market share tally is up from 2.5 percent in the March quarter a year ago. Why do those Apple gains matter? Those Mac sales most likely came at the expense of a new Windows machine.
Microsoft's disappointing results are (I'll SWAG) mostly due to the PC market itself, up less than expected, and especially, still-satisfied XP users going to the "big-box" store and seeing how much more expensive it is to buy a Vista computer which runs decently (i.e., paying for 3 GB memory instead of one, paying for a fast dual core CPU, etc.)

I think that only a few of them switch over to the "Apple" aisle in the store, and that many more just suffer sticker shock and go home without buying anything....

But let me get to the point I intended to make. Although the financial loss to Microsoft which XP-->OSX upgrades causes is really small in comparison to MS revenue, the increase in the number of Apple computers "on display" at everyone's neighbors, and in offices, and at coffee bars, has gone up over 50% in a SINGLE YEAR.

And so, the MINDSHARE that there there is an alternative to forced-down-your-throat Vista "upgrades" has a huge increase, and that could snowball.
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Exactly right.
ajole 25th Apr 2008
And I am really curious to see what that snowball does when it hits.
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High Cost??
aizen 25th Apr 2008
Are you kidding?! You can get a dual-core vista pc nowadays with 2GB of ram for about $399.99 or less. Hell, I even saw a quad-core pc with 4GB and vista 64 and 750GB of HDD for 1099- 899 after rebates. I dont know what stores you are shopping in but pc and laptop prices have been dropping dramatically. I can give examples if you want.
I made that mistake myself, purchasing a sub-$1,000 "Vista-Capable" 64 x2 Media Center PC running Vista Home Premium - only to discover it ONLY accepted and outputted analog video, ran from slow to dog-slow depending, and broke much of my hardware and a lot of my software.

THOSE are the real costs to upgrading to Vista - and just about everyone has heard the horror stories from family, friends and business associates by now.
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You didn't upgrade, you bought new, just for starters.

It didn't break your hardware, you or your OEM did. It didn't break your software, you installed old and/or poorly written unsupported applications/

You won't hear your family, friends and business associates tell you their horror stories, you'll hear them tell horror stories they read online, like your fiction above.

I read vista also kicks your dog and feels up your wife, pass it on.
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Vista feels up the dog, kicks Wife
educateme@... 26th Apr 2008
Dude, the truth is out there for those with open eyes to
see. I have every type of OS known to current tech folk and
support users from DOS to Vista and Mac OS 8 to
Leopard....Microsoft is not making better software than
Apple. No way. Vista is ok once you beat it into shape and
make it act more like XP. It is in NO WAY an improvement
over XP, it is merely XP with a new Shower curtain in your
bathroom, still stinks under the pretty little fishys that
glimmer in the new plastic...but I digress.

For any PC fanboy to make trite comments about a Dog
and a Wife, much the same analogy that MS sells you
toadies, marry our OS, as a Wife, but later realize you
bought a Dog, then go kick yourself.

Maybe you can improve your view by TRYING a Mac, use it
for 5 days without prejudice and then you will realize that
it is a superior OS, less prone to second guessing you, and
does not have to whipped into shape to be useful. I will
offer you free support for 2 emails or phone calls, should
you venture to take the challenge.

Until such time as you OPEN up and consider ALL the
options, the banter of "pass it on" comments you make is
just noise, not fact, not even researched, or intelligence
gathered from real sources, hearsay, and not even "at
best". Macswellsmart.com
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High Cost
bserrett@... 26th Apr 2008
You have got to be kidding. MS has cost me more money in down time than any of my Apple computers. My company is converting to Apple and weeding out all the Windows machines.
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Maybe more people are...
arminw 28th Apr 2008
realizing that purchase price is not synonymous
with total cost of ownership. If you add the fact
that with VISTA, users have to essentially start
over to learn how to use their computer and buy
much of their software and even peripherals
again, they look around to see what else is
available. They might as well dump MS and get
a Mac and that's exactly what many are doing.

Many are learning that buying a complete
integrated computer, made by one company is
better than buying a computer, some of which
is made by Dell or HP and the other half by M$.
Computers are the only widely used products,
where half is made by one company and the
other half made by someone else, unless it is an
Apple made computer. They make the whole
enchilada.
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Ok, its a fact, Windows machines have been known to crash. They used to crash with some regularity when people were using Win98, particularly if the box was sporting newer hardware that the OS could no longer keep up with. But now a days, these claims of Windows box's dropping like flies is ludicrous. Sure, with the hundreds of millions of Windows machines in use, there are definitely crashes that still happen when they shouldn't, but if it was a real problem, at least the way some in the anti MS crown describe it, the internet and offices around the world would be in a constant state of shambles as they struggle daily to keep their systems up and running.

Like it or not, do the wrong thing and any machine will crash, or do something you don't like.
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Totally agree XP is rock-solid stable
james.faction 28th Apr 2008
My impression of the couple of mates who have macs is that I have to restart my 3-year-old XP laptop less often than their newer macs. Neither crash of course, it's just been my impression that you need to restart the Mac more often to make changes to the system...

I have to do something really freaky to make XP crash, and even then it won't be guaranteed. It might be just a case of restarting the explorer process and away she goes again. Certainly nothing that the average day-to-day user would be doing.
which is thriving without the US Corporation (MS, Apple) dominated noise, bluster and me-me-me hand waving.

Welcome to the knowledge economy. The world working together for the better of all.
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The world will never work together
alaniane@... 25th Apr 2008
for the better of all. Both League of Nations and the current United Nations have proved that. As long as selfishness is part of human nature, you're not going to find a solution and there is no one on the planet that knows how to root selfishness out of man.
then greed and control through lies and manipulation becomes much more difficult.

This begins to get to the root of my utter contempt for Microsoft. The markets are providing nothing here, merely showing that they do nothing but hold everything back in the name of Penelope and Rupert's self interest.
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Methinks you are thinking too much
Paul Fletcher 28th Apr 2008
The vast majority of people use a PC as a tool and as costs are forever coming down, it probably costs the same money to buy a Vista system this year as it did to buy an XP system last year. People don't read the specs and say 'oooh I am paying for 3GB RAM' they just buy what they like the look of - does it have DVD burner, how fast is it, can I hook my camera and other stuff.

If you are a techie - yes you will notice you get more (bigger) hardware for your money and that 'bigger' hardware only runs the same speed, but offers you things you didn't have before, but you forget they are there after a while.

If your thoughts were true then nobody would be swayed by the I'm a Mac ads, as any half-tech savvy person could tell you are absolute BS verging on lies... but hey that's how Apple works.
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Switching to Mac
GeoffMichael 28th Apr 2008
I have been strictly PC for 15 years and have 6 PCs (4 laptops and 2 desktops) on my office wired/wireless network.

This week, I overcame the sticker shock and added an iMac with a 24" wide screen and television capabilities. I payed (ouch) $674.00 difference difference between the iMac and a Dell with the identical specs (except the Dell had 4 gigs of RAM, the iMac has 2 gigs of RAM).

I picked up the iMac the same day I convinced myself to purchase (rather than wait a week for the Dell (with Vista Ultimate), took it to my office, unpacked it, and it booted up perfectly with very little help from me.

It immediately recognized the network, connected, and immediately recognized all the PCs. The PCs do not yet recognize the iMac however. Until I familarize myself with the iMac, I'm not able to say how it will integrate with my business but am looking forward to at least giving it a try. It does have some fairly neat attributes.

Will I purchase another PC? You bet I will just as soon as I'm convinced that Microsoft has corrected Vista or provides a different/better OS.
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Do you have any clue on how the windows machines which
you have always liked communicate with each other ?
It is SMB/CIFS - they piggyback IP packets with SMB
information on the SMB TCP/UDP ports. The windows
machines in your (office ?) don't see it, because you don't
know that Macs by default do not open the SMB ports. You
know you have the Blue Apple at the top of the screen,
right ? well, there is a drop down from it, click on Systems
Preferences and then choose Sharing (folder icon) , click on
the Windows sharing Services, and this opens the Apple
SMB ports on the Firewall, TCP ports (139) and UDP (137,
and 138) it couldn't be any simpler !
Again, 2 Macs do not communicate using SMB, or even on
these ports (by default closed, but you can open them if
you like) - You need to click on Files Sharing (which refers
to Apples not to Windows) and this opens up the Firewalled
ports (TCP 548, and 427).
How simple, but I really suggest to you to go take a little
class at your local Apple retailer - not the Mini Apple
retailer. Best Buy personnel is not up to par yet.
You chose the iMac (good choice) because of your
addiction to GUI's.
I choose the Mac(s) because of their Unix versatility.
But I can't deny that they made iptables firewalling rules as
easy as your proverbial eating the apple pie.
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rtk 25th Apr 2008
Just as likely, those mac sales are a result of Apple faithful finally replacing aging hardware.

I read somewhere Apple claimed 50% were new to Apple, I'd LOVE to know how they figured that out.
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They know because they ask...
wolftalamasca 25th Apr 2008
Are you expecting some kind of multi-million dollar "unbiased" survey team to be giving you these results on 'paid-to-view' whitepapers that you can tout or tear to shreds?

They have a fair enough idea of who is new to apple because when you install/register your new apple machine, they simply ask during the plain, simple registration process. It's not so complicated.

Sure, it is not 100% accurate, but I'll accept it just fine. I hear it in business and social places all the time corroborating it to the close degree that matters.

The above person said it best. It is the MINDSHARE. It is not so socially unacceptable in the IT or Corp business fields these days to say "I have a Mac" or "I just got an Apple." Though, I still hear the ******** people make snide remarks.

I won't even begin to recount the amount of times now people had a look of envy or slack jaw at how fast and simple I can send them things like an email or weblinks on my iPhone. (I am sure a few may pick up that I wrote a couple times about my pocketPC phones, and how much they failed.)

And, as for those saying "I can buy a 399$ vista machine"... Go ahead. Just, please, don't complain to us about it after.
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I've been bleeped!
wolftalamasca 25th Apr 2008
Oh Noes! The word "hard core" (without a space) is naughty these days? I'll be sure to make a note.

You can simply replace the ***** with whatever strikes your fancy then.
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Bleeps
Crestview 28th Apr 2008
I have had a few bleeps and I don't even have a clue as to what was the offending word/wording. Maybe using the word APPLE in any negative comments constitutes a censoring.
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Why buy a Mac?
deowll 25th Apr 2008
PC makers have been competing on the low end. Very few of them have been providing anything the high end buyer wants. Most have a reputation for being anything but cool. Then they loaded down everything they had with bloat ware for an extra few dollars and the users are having a bad experience.

The result is the people who have money are buying high end Mac laptops. The problem for Apple is that sooner or later enough of those machines are going to be out there to be very much worth hitting and that is when people are going to start finding out just how good the security on the Mac really is. Until you get slugged you don't know if you can take a punch or not and so far Apple hasn't been slugged.

However many maybe even most new macs are running Windows part time so I'm not sure how much buying a Mac cost Microsoft.

The last issue is many people are very angry that their 286 or a similiar computer can't run Vista worth crap loaded with bloat ware which is what the PC sellers have been claiming they could do and Microsoft claimed they could do.
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Many?
SquishyParts 26th Apr 2008
However many maybe even most new macs are running
Windows part time so I'm not sure how much buying a Mac
cost Microsoft.
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I would venture a guess & say a small percentage of
people are running any MS OS on a Mac. Also, MS made
plenty of bad engineering decisions that have been the
cause of the problems that it faces today with malware,
viruses & security. This always seems to be glossed over by
people that seem to repeat the Mac is has the same
security issues as Windows. Is the Mac totally secure...nope
but it is a far cry from even getting close to the problems
windows has had, because MS made poor choices.
marketshare is a small part of the story.
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Parrallels anyone?
Khyron 28th Apr 2008
there are a few Virtual machine applications for the Mac to enable Mac users to run windows and gain access to applications that haven't been developed for the Mac yet.
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Users are just...
arminw 28th Apr 2008
able to duck and run, rather than get slugged.
Until that day arrives, and it has been predicted
by Mac haters for a long time now, let's just cross
that bridge when we get there.
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That would be a guess, right?
John Zern 25th Apr 2008
Those Mac sales most likely came at the expense of a new Windows machine.

So All of the sales of new PC's are people upgrading their old ones, While NONE of Apple's sales are attributed to people upgrading their older Macs, just replacing Windows machines?
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If you look at the OS trends ....
ShadeTree 25th Apr 2008
... your conclusion is all wrong. OSX seems to have peaked three months ago and is remaining constant.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
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And every Mac means OS X rides shotgun. Admittedly I'm connecting a few dots here to be sure, but something is going on. It was stunning to me how much piracy was mentioned on that earnings conference call. That's a legit concern for sure, but just the fact that piracy is a make or break item for growth indicates that Microsoft is getting squeezed somewhere else.

Re your market share stats thanks for the link. Even if Mac peaked it appears that Windows share is still falling off a bit. Perhaps it's a Linux, Mac tag team with Linux tacking on just a bit of stolen share.
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So, what are they pirating?
zkiwi 25th Apr 2008
Vista or XP? And wasn't the point of WGA to reduce this? Does this piracy conclusion mean that WGA has failed?
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Good question
ajole 25th Apr 2008
The answer is both. You can get "cracked" versions of XP or Vista that don't require activation; often they also won't do updates or patches either. So yes, WGA has failed just like all locks, it only works on honest folks.
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Maybe it's the company I keep...
zkiwi 25th Apr 2008
But, there's XP/Vista hacked versions that quite happily update/patch with nary a worry or care. Sometimes it ticks me off, because I prefer to be "legal, moral, and trying to be thin-ish" as opposed to being "illegal, immoral, and fattening." :P
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I'm with you, I hate paying what they are asking, but I'm not going to be a thief either. Which may explain my fascination with Linux...I have over 50 distros on CD's now, and I've played with them all; even donated to a couple.
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Me either...
JCitizen 25th Apr 2008
I need the full support I get with non-OEM Microsoft software; my clients don't have time to put up with my problems, so the extra expense is quite worth it.

I'm a cheap skate, so don't get me wrong, but I'm just not interested in stealing. And for what? So little gain, it's just stupid.

I would have gone Mac by now if they didn't have such a bad habit of forcing you out of your hardware on a operating system shift. I tend to keep obsolete hardware way past it's prime; and it is still usefull to me..

When you try to do that with an old Mac, it seems things start breaking(software wise) before long..
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hard to make up your mind
Khyron 28th Apr 2008
When the developer's can't settle their own on a standard Linux distro. it's hard to market, BSDFedoraBeOSUbuntuDebianGentooMandrivaslackwareSuSeXandrosASPLinpusVectorArkLinspireYoperMorphixPuppyArchImpiMipixAuroxGNUSanteFeFox *breath*, yadda ,ydda

and have people know what to buy or download.
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Of course WGA has failed!
mwagner@... 25th Apr 2008
The problem with "anti-piracy" tools like WGA is that they only stop honest people who just want to install Windows on a second machine, for whatever reason. Those who are not really a threat to Microsoft's bottom line.

WGA forces families with more than one computer to buy a license for every computer that they own. This isn't a really big deal since people don't usually upgrade their OS until they buy a new machine -- but hardware upgrades can and do cause a nuisance for these folks by forcing a reactivation, and sometimes a call to a place on the other side of the earth.

The piracy threat comes not from these users but rather from the "pirates for profit" who resell bootlegged keys and media. WGA doesn't even catch them, it catches the poor soul who unwittingly bought the bootlegged key and media!
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Well, yes and no...
zkiwi 25th Apr 2008
WGA works, except for the fact it's broken and will remain so.

Other than that, the people (that I am aware of) that have fully cracked versions (that do update etc with no problems) weren't charged for them, they were gratis (although I do think there was a rubber chicken involved!).

As far as "for profit" is concerned I'm tending to the belief that that side of piracy is aimed more at businesses with lots of (windows) computers that want to "look honest" and so they have a gateway that's made up so it looks like it's pure and innocent and all sweetness and light etc. That's a lot harder to do, but it enables Microsoft to "not see" what is going on.
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A lot of the piracy for profit
alaniane@... 25th Apr 2008
involves consumer machines. They're not sold in the US that much, but in Asia where copyright laws and patents are not part of the traditional culture, pirated machines/software are sold in the open market. For example, in Taiwan when you buy a copy of Windows more than likely it will be an OEM copy that was already installed on several different machines before it was sold to you. You will have hard time finding an actual retail copy of Windows. When you buy a machine in Taiwan, it more than likely will have a cracked copy of Windows on the machine.
It's hard for Westerners to understand, but copyrights and patents are completely alien to their culture. They've only been trying to enforce copyright/patent laws in last 15 to 20 years and this was only because of wanting to enter the WTO.
In 1800s England had the same problem with the US. Charles Dickens wrote "Martin Chuzzlewit" which poked fun at America because he was ticked at how the US did not enforce copyright protection.
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Those days are over though ...
fr0thy2 25th Apr 2008
... because the world is not going to blunder into a future where just a small handful of corporations dictate everything that goes on (which is the ultimate conclusion of Capitalism - eg MS buying Yahoo).

FOSS is how the knowledge economy will go, and the markets will perform much more fluidly once they are free and liberated.

It's just that, at the moment, the greediest cannot stand to see their false wealth (bigger numbers in a bank account) lose a few zeros.
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People WGA hurts most...
BillDem 26th Apr 2008
Technically, not buying a copy for each computer is piracy. That's why Microsoft should emulate Apple and offer a 5 user home license.

I think the people WGA hurts most are people like me who own one box, but swap hardware in and out constantly. I'm never running more than one copy of Vista, but I get pissed off every time I have to beg them to let me use that one copy I own. So what if it is a new motherboard? So what if I changed to a faster network adapter or replaced the old drives with a RAID array? I still use one copy on one computer. I shouldn't have to beg them to use a copy of Vista that I bought legally. That's just one more thing that makes me dislike Microsoft.
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Come up with a home license so you can have say # Windows clients, a server and some version of Office all at a decent price for a home use.

Right now I have 4 assorted versions of client and a server - it would be nice to be able to standardise.
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Those represent installed base...
Yaalanhoo 25th Apr 2008
not market share. The installed base numbers are going to
lag market share numbers by quite a bit. It's also based on
questionable statistical methods so the month to month
variations are not very reliable.

What no one has mentioned yet is how many people by mac
hardware and run Windows on it. That effect wouldn't hurt
Microsoft but would help Apple.
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Those stats provided
alaniane@... 25th Apr 2008
are really worthless when it comes to deriving overall market share. They can only be applied to a limited population (that company's clients). Shadetree knows this, but he likes repeating it often because it supports his purpose.
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OS X Bump
Ken_z 25th Apr 2008
OS X got a sales bump with the
introduction of Leopard. By now
most of the boxed version market
has been satisfied and sales levels
will focus on Mac based sales.
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MS user since W3.11 days
croberts 25th Apr 2008
I've been at my local Mac dealer the last few weekends playing with their machines.

I have an Asus EEE PC, an HP dual core Slimline desktop pc running Vista Premium, and my next computer will be a Mac.

I've just had enough of MS. And ironically what really pissed me off was the STUPID shortcut arrows on Vista, and the fact the UI has no way to shrink them. Just a little thing, but surprisingly it just set me off like a firecracker.

It's crap. I've found Vista reliable enough truth be told, but it looks like it was designed by committee.

I've had enough!
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You Forgot The Biggest Elephant In The Room
itanalyst2@... 25th Apr 2008
Steve Ballmer...his stench alone would drive anyone crazy.
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The Ugliest Elephant In The Room
fr0thy2 25th Apr 2008
I think you mean.
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And most bullying, and ill-tempered
drprodny 25th Apr 2008
You think these things don't mean much - but Ballmer has all of Gates's negatives and none of this positives, no matter how much the PR flacks fling "But he coached Little League and hugs puppies!" around.

If Vista were a significantly better OS than XP SP2, none of this would matter - look at how everybody puts up w/Steve Jobs's often-vicious messianic streak, b/c he's Got a Strong Product Line. But Ballmer's selling a crap product by pushing subordinates and journalists around like some Bush Nazi flunky - so we can see he Just Can't Deliver the Goods.

How long before Ballmer's "Resignation is Accepted" by the M$ Board of Directors, do you think...?
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Not soon enough ...
fr0thy2 25th Apr 2008
... but of course Penelope and Rupert are elbowing their way further and further between humans and their food supplies, all in the name of their own self interest.
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RE: Microsoft's elephant in the OS room: Apple
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