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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche

By | May 26, 2010, 5:38am PDT

The data points highlighting slower netbook growth ahead are beginning to stack up. Simply put, consumers are opting for either tablets like the Apple’s iPad or ultra-thin laptops over netbooks. The netbook is headed for niche-ville.

In three years, the netbook may be just a nice footnote to the industry. The demise of the netbook has been predicted before. Now we seem to be at an inflection point where the anti-netbook bandwagon is filling up.

Raphael Vasquez, an analyst at Gartner summed up the view, in its PC market forecast:

The mini-notebook segment will be impacted by increasingly competitive ultralow-voltage (ULV) products, the decreasing prices of all mobile PCs and the maturing preferences of consumers…Media tablets, such as the iPad and similar devices, will significantly detract from mini-notebook shipments in 2013 and onward, when we expect their prices to be lower and, more importantly, their functionality to be more similar to mini-notebooks.

Meanwhile, the Retrevo Pulse Study, a survey of more than 1,000 consumers, tells a similar tale. According to Retrevo, “the double whammy of cheaper laptops and the sensational new Apple iPad tablet may be hurting netbook popularity.”

A few data points from Retrevo:

  • In the past year, 65 percent of those surveyed chose a laptop over a netbook;
  • Future buying decisions break down the same way;
  • Meanwhile, 78 percent of potential buyers are leaning toward buying an iPad over a netbook.

Now growth isn’t going away overnight for netbooks, but you can see where this is headed. Gartner estimates that netbook shipments will be up 30 percent in 2010, but then start to slide. In addition, PC makers are likely to focus on the tablet form factor and move away from the netbooks. Intel’s move to take the Atom to smartphones may also indicate that the netbook’s big surge is over.

The netbook isn’t dead yet, but will clearly be a niche player going forward.

Related: Apple iPad: One heat seeking missile aimed at netbooks, e-readers

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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
yarinsiz Updated - 12th May 2011
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No surprises there
frgough 26th May 2010
The Netbook was never anything more than a way to get a super-cheap laptop. People who bought them found out there was a reason they were super-cheap.
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@frgough Disagree. I got a netbook for travel due to its small size. I could have gotten a full size notebook for about the same money, but full size can be a pain. This one has nVidia ION so it handles Hi Def, it handles e-mail, and I can use Slingbox. It's no barn-burner, but it does the task and the battery life is really good as well. Ten out of ten times I'd opt for a netbook over a full size notebook. It's NOT just the price.

Of course there are others who have higher-end computing needs for who a netbook makes no sense. I recognize that. But it might be good for you to realize netbooks aren't always just about price.
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Steve Jobs thinks your netbook sucks
NonZealot 26th May 2010
@bmgoodman
frgough has to say what he does because Steve Jobs has stated that all $500 computers suck. Does it matter to Apple zealots like frgough that you've found great value out of your netbook? No. Your needs are meaningless. Only Steve Jobs' statements count.
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@bmgoodman That can barely be called a netbook anymore. It's more like a sub compact that rode the "netbook" marketing lingo. He's talking about originally where netbooks were really...smalle computers running an ancient OS that are cheap because it sucks. Technically I think they were expensive for what you get.
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@NonZealot: Bull. While I personally think that netbooks are worthless, I do understand that some feel they have a genuine use. But honestly, the majority of people (note I didn't say 'all' people) that I know who bought one complained of its too-small keyboard and too-small display for their needs. Nearly every one of them ended up being gifted to kids or grandkids while they purchased either an econobox PC or a full laptop. Now with tablets coming onto the scene, almost all of those who were looking at netbooks are wondering if the tablet wouldn't serve them better. The polls charted above support that view.

Stop with the "Steve Jobs says this--Steve Jobs says that" and use your own eyes, ears and mind for once. Instead of being such a Zealot, try using some logic. You'd get farther and have fewer people making fun of you.
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@frgough
The real problem is that the netbook stopped being super cheap and started being a low-end, small laptop. Why buy a 12" netbook for $500 when you can buy a tablet (with the same power and better battery life) or a 15" laptop (with much more power but a shorter battery life) for the same price?

$250 was the sweet spot for 9-10" netbooks. They were cheap and capable -- almost disposable. I have one now (an Intel Classmate clone) that's almost two years old, and it's still awesome for what it does.
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I agree!
I am Gorby 27th May 2010
I use my Netbook for vacation travel. 9-10" size is perfect for slipping into Aircraft carry-on luggage. Battery life is great.
I used it to go on the internet (update Facebook), email, store photos, Skype and a little bit of Word and Excel (not much). That's it.
The small screen real estate was annoying, but I wasn't on the thing long enough for it to bug me. I was on vacation. I just used it to contact the family and tell them what we were doing.

Small, cheap and maybe disposable. Love it!
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Super cheap?
fromthehip 26th May 2010
@frgough ,
The problem with netbooks is that the manufacturers forgot about the super cheap part. The price point for these was under $200, and they pushed the price up to over $250. I was thinking about a netbook, even borrowed a friend's for a week, but now I am waiting for an Android based tablet.
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If consumers dig it, why release products that cannibalize your laptop sales?

Ever notice that tablets seldom use OSes used in desktops and laptops?

Netbooks won't go away I think. *Some* manufacturers will stay around as keyboards with tactile feedback can be important for some. But then, I view it as moving to niche status.
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They didn't forget
frgough 26th May 2010
they found out that consumers didn't want the piece of crap $250 got you, so they started making them better quality. Except that to do that, you had to raise the price.

It stinks when reality kills your utopia...
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@frgough Likewise, I consider a netbook as any laptop priced at $299 or less. So by that definition, netbooks (or cheap laptops) are here to stay. Not everyone wants to pay a premium to access the same Internet on Apple's fancy tablet which doesn't even support Flash or multi-tasking.
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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
ubiquitous one 27th May 2010
@Mwendo
But it looks like the iPad is starting to eat into some of those netbook sales, so a lot of people will pay that 'premimum' which I don't really consider a premium at all. Multitasking may be an option in the future. After all this is only version 1.0

Besides, I consider lack of Flash to be an asset, not a loss. Sh!tty pop-up ads, be gone!
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Smartphones vs Netbooks
guihombre 26th May 2010
The netbooks, have gotten too big and too expensive now, they've just blended into the notebook market.
If you previously wanted a netbook, you've probably got a smartphone now.
Netbooks won't simply fall off the face of the Earth just because the typical US consumer opts for a tablet form factor. Instead, they will drive PC adoption in the developing markets. They're already beginning to outsell laptops in Mexico and it's just a matter of time before that trend is duplicated in other parts of the very populous developing world, where a full-sized laptop is still a luxury item to the vast majority. Tablets priced as high as the iPad will never become popular in those places.
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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
Loverock Davidson 26th May 2010
Netbooks were in a decline since last year. Like others have said, they got too expensive and the price is on par with a full featured laptop.
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@Loverock Davidson The price of a netbook was always "on par" with a full featured notebook. Tech folk have a hard time understanding that some people are happy to give up features to reduce weight and battery use.

But really, what is it that heavy notebooks can do that netbooks can't? Run HD video? Render 3d games? Is there anything else?? I suppose you give up DVDs and CDs when you give up an optical drive, but don't most people keep that stuff on hard drives these days?

What is the trade-off?
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Loverock, as always, is absolutely right. Netbook sales went up last year, but that pulled Windows profits down, so netbooks are in decline.
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i love my Acer One 10 inch netbook
tgschmidt 26th May 2010
$289. It is the most used computer in the house. We have several other computers, laptops & Android phones too. It is used in the kitchen, outside on the patio, in the car with our mobile hotspot, we take it with us to show photos, load movies on it for long trips...... I hope these small inexpensive netbooks do not go away. I really like the form-factor & price point.
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@tgschmidt That's cause your family is addicted to the internet.
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Not so
tgschmidt Updated - 26th May 2010
@rasmasyean We have MS Office loaded on it (sis-in-law works at MS) so it gets used for school work & creative stuff a lot too. It has Kindle for PC loaded too so it gets used for reading on long car trips. It is on my home wireless network so it can print to any one of our printers. It is a very convienient form factor & performs well. It sits on rthe coffee table so it gets used when friends come over. I really like my netbook!
Netbooks have always been a niche.
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I have both a netbook and a laptop
Cylon Centurion 26th May 2010
And they both work perfectly for different situations. I'm not upset at all for buying either or, and I actually miss the first netbook I had.
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@NStalnecker It misses you too, and wishes you would call.

Just get the iPad, and see what the future holds. In 10 years or so, there could be an MS version you would simply LOVE!
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Why?
Cylon Centurion 26th May 2010
@comp_indiana

Why pay DOUBLE the price for a device with less functionality?
@comp_indiana "just get the iPad, and see what Jobs has decided your future holds"

Fixed that for ya.
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Because some people will, Nicholas
ubiquitous one 27th May 2010
Why pay DOUBLE the price for a device with less functionality?

Not everybody out there wants the 'functionality' that you want.

Or is everybody else out there supposed to? Hmmm?
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That tiny 35 percent niche
erikswanson 26th May 2010
"In the past year, 65 percent of those surveyed chose a laptop over a netbook"

Also, the ipad IS a netbook. A really expensive, feature-poor netbook, but it's a netbook. I don't think this segment is going anywhere. But I get that we have to read this article at least every couple months because geeks CAN'T IMAGINE WHY someone would want a 7" sceen with no HD video or without the ability to run WOW.
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Initial sales seem to prove you wrong so far
ubiquitous one 27th May 2010
@erikswanson
We'll see if that's true in a year or two. But either way, Apple is the first to market such a device successfully.

Personally, I think tablets may be a niche all to themselves. However, it's also possible that they may become as ubiquitous in today's society as I am. wink

Gee, even NStalnecker doesn't confuse tablets with netbooks, so how come you do? Hmmm?
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I agree with NStalnecker - they all fit for different situations - and I love them all for their uniqueness.
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I hate typing on glass (sorry iPad, etc.) and I don't want a smart phone because of the monthly expense (sorry iPod, etc.) and the nonexistent keyboard. That leaves me with my laptops (still good enough for now). I have a 7-inch PCEEE (too small), but I love the Linux operating system, which boots up and goes online in 30 seconds!!!!! Win XP takes 3 minutes!!!! I would go out and get a larger netbook right now except that I don't spend much time computing at coffee shops, so I don't really need one.
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I have a laptop and a iTouch
Jimster480 26th May 2010
I considered getting a netbook, but a device with that much power will not even satisfy my web browsing habits. When I browse the web for anything other than just quickly looking something up, I have atleast 5 tabs open, usually though around 10-15. A netbook doesn't handle that. I have tested them out and they slow down really fast. So i have a full 15.6In HP DV6 w/ a Turion II and a 4650 (so i can play games if I want while I'm on the go).
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I love my Netbook. It is turning into a Modders delight also. It's great for road trips, I love to couch surf on it ... I think part of the problem is that people are trying to run frigging Windows XP on it. I am running Moblin 2.1 beta, 20 second start time; from power button to active desktop, Web 2.0 .. and I have my own personal cloud so no need to even look at Chrome OS.

If netbooks fall into a niche, that's not a bad place for them. Intel is coming out with a new Atom dual core so the net devices are going to see a huge power boost in the future.

Part of the problem with netbooks is the tech for them is not always up to date. They all 'should' come with a touch screen, but they don't. For some they also had a bumpy start, some trying to be more then they should, others with drivers, and still others just not being enough.

Netbooks are here to stay though. Even if they fall into the hands of modders who just want an inexpensive laptop to tool around with. I've been over at mydellmini.com looking at the Harlequin project wondering how I can do the same for mine. soooo sweet...
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Get rid of XP
Cylon Centurion 26th May 2010
@prof.ebral

Windows 7 runs better on them if you need to run Windows.
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@NStalnecker blech. WTH do I need Windows 7 for? Not bashing you NStainecker .. just the fact the MSFT has to hide the fact that Windows 7 is even more likely KDE based.

Please don't tell me it's not either. Sure the look and feel I can pass over, but requiring a Conanical Display Driver to pull it off? That just reeks of Linux.
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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
rtk Updated - 26th May 2010
@prof.ebral Win7 is not KDE based, and the display driver is canonical as in conforming to orthodox or recognized rules, not Canonical the company.
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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
prof.ebral Updated - 26th May 2010
@rtk nvmd. I should check my sources.
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They said it was a fad market and didn't spend much time on it. Kudos to the fine folks in Redmond!
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Niche suitable for half the world
mswift@... 26th May 2010
So tell me about all the $250 2 pound devices with swappable batteries that let me work with a 500mb database and a SQL application when I'm away from power and wifi? My big laptop has been returned to the KVM stack. I either use my big desktop with a 1920x1080 screen or the netbook anymore. There is a lot of world out there that is not in range of AC, wifi or 3/4G that still needs to get work done. Note: work does not mean playing with pictures and killing time on the web. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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Personally, I think the netbook should be used for on-the-go web surfing and light computer usage like reading. Maybe you can watch movies on it too but the screen is kinda small.

The people who can afford an up-to-date computer will always opt in for a full laptop for general portability and a desktop for any serious use. I mean, you can easily make a desktop always run large dual monitors, maybe more with the right video card because it can handle the excess graphics and super multitasking where you leave all your apps open and never close them...until Windows Update I guess. :P But having a tiny low end netbook will take you way so much longer to accomplish all but the most basic tasks compared to an up-to-date laptop or a desktop.
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Gotta disagree with you there
Omegan613 27th May 2010
@rasmasyean
I have a quad core desktop and a 9" XP netbook. I am not looking for a full size laptop. I am looking for a nice light 12" laptop that is a little more powerful. I have done the 15" laptop thing, and it sat on my desk for 4 years. It rarely left my office. I am not just a surfer, I use my netbook for Photoshop 7, Open Office, light gaming, email and internet, and it is almost never in my office, it is almost always with me on the go. I can't even imagine lugging a 15.6" laptop around with me, and, being used to a 9" screen, they appear huge. Since I already have my 9" netbook and my quad core with 22" monitor at home, I can wait for the right 12" ultra portable (core i3 or core i5 with decent graphics, 4GB of ram, hdmi out and Windows 7 64 bit...and under $1,000.

Never say always.... happy Not everyone wants the same thing. I think a lot of people opt for full size laptops because that is what is most economically viable at this time. It's an either-or thing (ie netbook or full size laptop), with not much in the middle. The middle is coming, and people will be buying when it does.
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@Omegan613 I'd have to say with confidence that most "Photoshop users" would want more than a Netbook for it. I mean the latest version will prolly make one explode.
Going forward the only real difference between a netbook and a tablet will be the keyboard. A lot of people like the iPad but end up carrying around a keyboard to use with it. These people in future might want a convertible tablet or some kind of slider. There are phones with keyboards for same reason.
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And as long as tablets like the iPad insist on not being real computers with file managers, true editing and creation functions, multiple ports and card slots, etc. big HDD options, etc, then there will be plenty of people who will need and buy netbooks.
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I have an iPad, but if there were an Android or Linux convertible netbook that was nearly as thin and had similar battery life, I would trade for that in a heartbeat. It's only a matter of time.
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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
Cylon Centurion 26th May 2010
@ArtInvent Touch on phones is quite different than touch with a tablet device. The touch keyboard on my phone is horrible, they keys are too small, that screen is too small as well. They need the physical keyboard for the phone to be even useable.
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Don't Understand the Netbook Antipathy
WiDucRider 26th May 2010
I have never understood why so many tech bloggers and enthusiasts trash netbooks. I have a 8.9" Acer that has been an incredibly useful tool. It's a full-featured PC with great battery life. It's all about the form factor. If I go on a trip and don't need my high-end laptop it's either the netbook or no computer. I just won't lug a big laptop around if I don't have to. I have a battery-powered 3G hot-spot so I can use my iPod Touch or Acer for connectivity and I have a USB-powered optical drive for watching DVDs, etc. Very happy with this combination of tools. I'd hate to see the netbooks go away.
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@WiDucRider I know right. Some people just don't understand what a portable computer is. They think it's suppoed to be a mainfram in your pocket.
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Why doesn't the charts show...
Hallowed are the Ori 26th May 2010
... those who answered "I have no intention to buy either of them."?

I mean, "78 percent of potential buyers are leaning toward buying an iPad over a netbook" sounds like a lot, but what percent of the 1000 declared themselves "potential buyers"?
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It all a matter of perspective
Ashtonian 26th May 2010
A small netbook with an 8 hour battery is:
Still cheaper than the Epson Photoviewer
Has a bigger Hard drive
Can store millions of your pictures
Is wireless
An MP3 player that can store all the songs ever recorded
A GPS map for travelling in your car.
also
It does email
It does the Internet.
Small, handy and easily transported.
Plays flash video!

The iPad is a bargain at $299, but I doubt Apple is selling it for that. I bet when the battery dies after 18 months you have to buy a new iPad.

Batteries for my netbook about $35.00

Netbooks may, to some, have a screen real estate problem. I found that I preferred the cheapest notebook with more pixels on the screen and consequently bought one for $297.00 at Circuit City/CompUSA/Tiger Direct!
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@Ashtonian If you're going to use it any noticeable amount at a desk. Just get a cheap monitor and maybe keyboard and plug it in at the "recharging station". Sub 1080p monitors are like dirt$ nowadays.
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I forgot the crystal webcam
Ashtonian 26th May 2010
I forgot to mention also the crustal webcam
Works great with Skype.
It's like a video phone from a futuristic movie.
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Netbook Portability
Playdrv4me Updated - 26th May 2010
I have two primary machines... A 17 inch Core i5 MBP running a legitimate OSX install... and my hackintoshed Lenovo S10. Guess which one DOESN'T go with me when I travel? And the iPad? Yea I had two of those and sold both.

My S10 does nearly everything I need it to do, and it is in-fact so close to the usability experience on the ULV hampered Macbook AIR and X301 Thinkpad I also owned, that the cost difference makes it completely un-reasonable to overpay for those two machines (a refurbished S10 is under 250.00). Plus there's "stuff" I can watch on the S10 that I certainly couldn't on the iPad...

Give me a real computer I can hide in a distant corner of my suitcase, under 300 bucks any day of the week.

It seems tech bloggers want Netbooks to go away even more than the PC, Chipset and O/S manufacturers do. Sorry guys, you created a monster.
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RE: Netbooks quickly being relegated to niche
yarinsiz Updated - 12th May 2011
Well done! Thank you very much for professional templates and community edition
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