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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Netflix cuts subscriber targets: Customer rebellion or just a blip?

By | September 15, 2011, 6:02am PDT

Summary: Netflix changes its pricing and comes up 1 million subscribers short of what it expected.

Netflix cut its subscriber outlook for the third quarter and said it would come up 1 million short of its initial targets as uncertainty over its pricing changes hurt customer acquisition.

On July 25, Netflix said that it expected to have 37 million subscribers—streaming and DVD—in the third quarter. Now it expects 36 million.

Netflix said that its financial outlook hasn’t changed. In other words, the financials add up for Netflix. Wall Street is expecting Netflix to report earnings of $1 a share on revenue of $819.3 million.

The issue is obvious: Netflix split its services into streaming and DVD offerings. To get 1 DVD and streaming it’s $15.98 and a hefty price increase. Netflix has expected churn to increase and it’s worth noting that its financial outlook hasn’t changed.

For Netflix the big question is whether this subscriber dip is just a blip or start of something more worrisome. Netflix stuck to its guns on the pricing change and said that the move was strategically sound. The company said:

Despite the guidance revision, we remain convinced that the splitting of our services was the right long-term strategic choice…We know our decision to split our services has upset many of our subscribers, which we don’t take lightly, but we believe this split will help us make our services better for subscribers and shareholders for years to come.

Uncertainty abounds

Netflix’s warning about its subscriber totals comes at a bad time. Just a few weeks ago, Netflix and Starz, which accounts for multiple titles in the streaming library, have broken off talks.

The end of the Starz negotiations means that Netflix may be staring at a content hole in its streaming service in 2012. In other words, Netflix may have to spend more on content and still lose subscribers to other streaming services and DVD rental kiosks from the likes of Redbox.

Given the uncertainty, investors in Netflix weren’t sticking around.

Analysts were mixed on Netflix’s new subscriber outlook. Morgan Stanley analyst Scott Devitt noted that the reality of the price increases bites. Devitt said:

Netflix blazed the streaming trail and its success now positions the company with 1) difficult U.S. comps, 2) more competition and 3) an investment cycle. We believe the price increase had the negative short-term effect of reducing one of the best consumer value propositions on the Internet while giving Netflix a stronger long-term capital base from which to grow (international development and more U.S. content). We think there may be an investment case for Netflix shares that builds in the next year or so based on a thesis that Netflix business model / access to capital positions it well to acquire premium TV content directly from studios … but this content does not seem accessible until 2014/2015 at the earliest.

Devitt added that Amazon’s tablet launch will also be a threat to Netflix.

Stifel Nicolaus analyst George Askew downplayed the concerns.

There is no crisis at Netflix in our view. Fewer 3Q11 domestic subscribers than guidance is a disappointing development. We believe we are seeing temporary churn related to the pricing change, but not a long-term crack in the business model. The company’s facts show the company’s subscriber mix is shifting even more rapidly to the streaming service. This trend should be positive for the company’s franchise and margins as spending on postage and fulfillment can more quickly be shifted to streaming content purchases. The real message here is that the DVD is even more dead than we thought; short the post office, but support your local postal worker.

Related:

Netflix, Starz to break up: One crazy ride ahead to Feb. 28

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I just downgraded my service from 2 DVD + Streaming to Streaming Only. If they loose Starz content, then I'll cancel my service and stick with Redbox, and iTunes rentals. I think Netflix pulled the trigger too soon on price increases. They should have waited to see if Starz was going to pan out first. Now they are painted in a corner. Streaming will be worthless if they loose a bunch of content, and then they will go down hill fast.
@davidljames
FYI: It is lose instead of loose. Loose is when something is not tight.
@RicD_ Stop being a dick. This isn't the Webster Dictionary website.
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It is just a typo man. Let it go.
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@RicD_ on this site.
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Guys, enough.
spdragoo@... 15th Sep
Is there a tendency towards grammer Nazism here? At times, yes.

Is there an excuse to misspell words, given the availability on the PCs we're using to access & respond on these forums...PCs that will usually have access to a spellchecker, if not at least a quick check on a web dictionary? *No*.

We're adults, we're (supposedly) educated, & we're not "txtng" or using l33t-speak here. If nothing else, as we're reading our words in our minds as we type we should be able to tell if it's spelled right or not.

Plus, he didn't resort to name-calling or other insults. He calmly & rationally pointed out the misspelling.

+1 to RicD_
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You may correct my error at any time.
@davidljames I kept my 2 DVD and eliminated streaming. I really don't understand why anyone would pay to stream from Netflix, their content really sucks and is not worth the money IMHO.

"Despite the guidance revision, we remain convinced that the splitting of our services was the right long-term strategic choice???We know our decision to split our services has upset many of our subscribers, which we don???t take lightly, but we believe this split will help us make our services better for subscribers and shareholders for years to come."

The only comment above which I believe is "better for shareholders". The rest is a bunch of BS...
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More of a personal opinion, though.
spdragoo@... 15th Sep
@Masari.Jones

I've had Netflix (streaming only) since January, & as yet have items in my Instant Queue that haven't been watched...primarily because I've still been adding items to it. It provides me with a better selection of TV shows & documentaries to watch than network or cable TV, & the selection of "classic" & "B-grade" films to watch is still cheaper than renting them one at a time.
@Masari.Jones
It is great for my kids who are under 6, because it gives them a huge variety of programs that are "wholesome", unlike the cr@p on Nick and Disney. If it were for me, then I agree not worth it.
@davidljames I switched to 2 DVD and eliminated streaming because the streaming content available compared to my Comcast Cable TV is very very very limited in regards to current TV Shows. Many of the current top rated shows are not available on Netflix.
Also, if you want the Closed Captioning/Subtitles and extras like Deleted Scenes, the DVD is the way to go.

I did watch a couple of movies that were Only available on streaming and that was nice, but not worth paying the monthly extra fee.
@davidljames

Gee, how friggin anal do you have to be to point out someones typo or spelling error?
I like Netflix, but they just do not get it. The main draw for me is the "Watch Instantly" feature so that I can watch movies, and TV shows that I missed. But Netflix is very, very slow in getting various seasons of TV programs. I mean when a show is in season six and they only have season one on Watch Instantly it is aggravating.
Also with the competition from HBO Go and other sources, Netflix does not offer a unique service as it once did.
If Netflix does not get it act together, it will be heaped on the pile of once great companies who died too soon.
@ric822@... +1 on that. Why can't they work out a deal with the studios to provide better content at a higher price? My kids find a lot of stuff to watch so it is worth the $8 but if they offered a lot more current content at say $30, I could ditch cable and just use netflix for TV and pay per movie on amazon if we want to watch a more recent release.

What kills me is that they are so close to providing a really great service but they just don't quite get the job done.
@redhaven

I agree. They have to work harder in keeping their current subscribers happy and to stay put. I already ditched my cable and went all in with Netflix and dvds. We've been happy for the most part, but Netflix have to do its part in keeping us from straying. Work hard on getting other networks besides Starz. I won't mind paying a little more for a premium service, it still wont compare to the money I was handing out to Comcast each month for endless annoying commercials, and the bundles channels I didn't care about.
Bottom line, poor value for the money and subscribers know it.
@NoAxToGrind +1 here. I collect movies, but there are some movies I'd like to see before I buy. I was about to sign up for Netflix when they nearly doubled the DVD/stream package price. At the old price, it was a good value. At the new price, it's a waste of money for me. I'd rather wait for the movies to show up in Best Buy's bargain bin for $5 than waste $16 a month and still not own them. I can buy up to 36 bargain bin movies per year for the cost of their new plan. I'll never sign up for Netflix, now.
@NoAxToGrind Very poor, but clearly 36 million subscribers don't know it.
@DonRupert

Don't subscribe Don instead of wasting energy complaining about it.
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spdragoo@... 15th Sep
@NoAxToGrind

For the price of renting 8 movies per month (or maybe renting 3 from a Blockbuster Express or a brick-and-mortar rental store), I can watch a lot more movies. Not to mention having access to shows & documentaries that, unless I shell out $50/month or more for cable/satellite TV, I won't have access to.
I was a long time Netflix subscriber. I had the premium 4-BluRay and Unlimited streaming. Last year when Netflix did a price hike, I looked at the streaming content, and realized that I was only renting 4 BluRays per month. I traded in my $34+ month subscription and turned to Redbox at $1.50 per movie for BluRays.

I've tried Hulu+ and other services over the past year, and haven't been excited with the offerings.

I re-tried Netflix streaming, and have already canceled it. It looks like they have less selections now, than the did a year ago. It hurts not having new movie releases in the NEW RELEASES section.

I'm not one to re-watch the TV shows of my youth. I'm looking for the newest Hollywood movies streamed to my TV.

I just purchased an AppleTV G2, and so far I've enjoyed the selection. The $4.99 price per HD movie is $1.00 cheaper than DirecTV's Video-On-Demand. I can watch 6 NEW Hollywood movies per month, for the same price I was paying Netflix.

(I also tried Amazon Streaming, but I didn't think the selection was much different from AppleTV and the interface for finding/renting movies didn't feel like a mature product when compared to the AppleStore.
@jasonmooney Yeah I've been thinking about getting an Apple TV but the 720p output is really disappointing considering Roku is 1080p.
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When they threw out the bath water to make their investors happy by charging higher prices I think they threw the baby out the window also.
I think they are going to be facing a full blown customer rebellion that will see Red Box and Amazon picking up instead.
We cancelled Netflix after the rate increase. We're using RedBox and already had an Amazon Prime account (for shipping, the free streaming is a nice bonus). If we can't find it on Amazon or Redbox we wait. So far we've been able to stream/rent everything we've been looking for and we have not missed Netflix at all. I do agree with jasonmooney, the interface for Amazon Prime is lacking on the BR player, but not to the point of avoiding it's use.
Netflix streaming "sucks"! Newer content? Yeah, Right! I went back to their "Mail Service". 2 Newer movies a week is fine by me. . .
I think I'll leave netflix. There is one show I never watched when it was on air and Netflix has it (Lost). After that it's cable on demand until Netflix improves or someone beats them to it. I can't justify a slow decrease in selection while paying more. For blu-ray, it'll be redbox. Looking at their current stock, I feel Netflix will improve.
@Anti Fanboy

RedBox's blu-ray selection currently sucks compared to Netflix.
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Changing my subscription
sboverie 15th Sep
I am going to change my subscription to 3 DVDs and no streaming. The problem I have with streaming videos is that there are no options for subtitles; I have hearing problems and english subtitles help a lot. Otherwise, I like their service but having both options is too pricey.
Almost everyone I have talked to either cancelled their subscription or downgraded it. This article really only captures the cancelled subscriptions and lower acquisition of new subscribers. I think there probably is a big revenue decrease due to subscription downgrades.
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No downgrade for me
spdragoo@... 15th Sep
@Redhooker

But then, I never signed up for DVD delivery, have always been straight streaming-only subscription.

And considering that I've had to twice go through & pare down my instant queue because it hit the 500-selection limit -- & it filled up even when we limited ourselves to a minimum of 2.5 star or higher-rated selections -- I don't see the amount of selection being "low" or of "poor quality".
After I watch two more DVD's (a series I am watching) I'm either cutting back to streaming only, or canceling all together.
I dropped my service when they announced the price increase. I was already struggling to find quality content to watch. I generally have a movie channel or 2 throughout the year as original programming on HBO and Showtime are worth paying for, so I have access to movies that way. If I feel like watching something before it is available on movie channels, I just rent it from Amazon for sometimes as low as $0.99. So far, I am not missing Netflix.
I dropped my subscription from the 1 DVD plus streaming to just streaming but I might wind up getting rid of it altogether... some TV shows have seasons with episodes that are "DVD Only", some have not been updated (one of my favorite shows is wrapping up season 4.5, season 4 was out on DVD several months ago and Netflix has up to season 3), and I'm honestly beginning to wonder if it's worth it.
The iceberg of customer rebellion - lots more to come.
This was a poorly timed move by netflix. Shouldn't have done that in a bad economy and a shaky wall st. That tends to have even sharper knee jerk reaction to share prices. Its not like netflix is vital to people's day to day like say food. Its near the bottom of the chain and people will ditch it before they ditch their cable tv. Worse for netflix is that their shares are now taking a beating on this news and its one of those types of news that can snow ball their share prices lower and lower never to recover again. And to have this happen around the sept/oct time frame is really really bad timing because you can almost expect the market to get killed in late sept to mid oct. It does almost every year. So just a lot of bad business decisions from netflix. They should have announced it during the holidays when people are less likely to pay attention and implement it in the winter when people have less entertainment options and less likely to cancel something with the convenience of their service and the market benefits from the january effect.
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It's not just the pricing anymore...
vstjames@... 15th Sep
Has anyone even noticed how much content has been cut or considered as "unvailable" in DVD format?
I use it less and less. Just streaming since the price hike. Capricious content management. Just frustrating to have a movie in the queue and then find it has been "saved" when you decide to watch it. The overall content in streaming sucks, also. A very anemic catalog. Searching for even old movies that may be popular yield a DVD only result much of the time. We are going to the theater more now. Using Red Box. Amazon Prime is a better choice if you are willing to pay a minimal amount for a much better selection. Thinking about dumping Netflix even though some family work for 'em... Too bad.
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It would be one thing to go full streaming if the content was there but 100% of netflix content is not available for streaming which makes it a much less attractive proposition. Nothing frustrates me more than searching for a movie I want to watch only to be told I can only get it on disk, which they seem to be trying to steer me away from. The loss of the Starz content will also be a bad thing for them. Starz provided a lot of unique and engaging content, such as several difficult to find anime series, which now will give me one less reason to stick with Netflix. I understand the price increase but, they aren't offering any short term incentives to justify it. I understand it will give them a larger base of funds to expand their offerings in the long term but, I'm a customer now and if they want to keep my money through the long term they need to do something to address their lack of content on the streaming services.
Unsuccessful companies have bean counters that tell them how to cut service and save money. Well, here's a heads up: Cut all service, fire all staff and save everything. It's more efficient than doing it slowly over time and it will save much more cash for bonuses. I just don't see a downside since there never was enough profit in the venture to begin with.
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Netflix woes are caused by the MPAA's (a know criminal organisation) membership. They cannot stand peoples have velue for their money.
Hollywood is slowly putting the stake in Netflix's heart by driving up the cost of content. What they fail to realize is that when they kill Netflix, whatever model they try to roll out next will be more costly and in these times, people don't have the money to pay for costly overpriced content. The market is working itself out as people that don't have the extra cash are dropping the service. Pretty simple.
Not a blip. Consider that a large majority of people don't have the bandwidth that they need to stream movies well. Quality isn't as good. The price goes up. And finally, the isp's already cap what you can download and you're going to add to that? People will have to start paying their ISP's extra for more bandwidth AND for unlimited packages and in some cases extra $$ because they went over their limit.

I have been on the fence for a long time about netflix and never pulled the trigger. I can assure you that I won't now. And I don't know about everyone else, but I've been cutting my tech/connected spendings for a while now. It's getting to be too much. An extra $20 a month for internet on my phone, another $20 if I want to up my level from my basic internet at home to something faster (and I already pay $47), cable, phone, cell service, etc. etc. etc. I am looking to cut expenses, not add a whole bunch of new or necessary expenses. I think netflix has made a mistake and will end up paying for it.
Having just recently completed my MBA I read multiple and interesting case studies about companies that did it right, but mostly it was about mistakes. None of them will be as interesting to me as the Netflix crash case study that we'll be reading about in 3-4 years. I've been a customer nearly since inception and I've been thoroughly displeased and cross-eyed about what they've done to their customer base. You can change me to streaming with significantly MORE than 18% of my 400+ movie queue can be streamed. I'm good with the change to streaming; heck, makes me feel 'techie'. But their current pricing scheme is a collision with doom. Doom I tell you!
I'll never use Netflex as they have irritated me to the nth degree with all those advertizing popups that occur at the most inopportune time!
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Redbox, 6-7 movies a month = <$10
Keeping Current 15th Sep
We watch 6 or 7 movies a month. We get them at a kiosk provider as we are running errands. The Netflix model is nice but why should I pay up to 2x for it? Yes, there is time and gas but we are out and about so that is negligible.
They should have waited to see if Starz was going to pan out first. Now they are painted in a corner. Streaming will be worthless if they loose a bunch of content, and then they will go down hill fast. Thanks for sharing
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