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Netflix downgrades app experience by dumping DVD option

By | January 18, 2011, 2:50am PST

A small change to the Netflix service over the weekend generated some negative feedback from customers - something that shouldn’t come as a surprise, given how consumers tend to resist any change to products or services that they already like. But this time around, the company deserves the criticism, mostly because the change downgrades the user experience instead of making it better.

In a blog post, the company said it is removing the “Add to DVD Queue” button that appears on the streaming versions of Netflix - those found on gaming consoles, mobile devices and set-top boxes - when a movie isn’t available for streaming. The company has been shifting its focus on the streaming service over DVDs - and that’s been a good thing. Netflix is one of the most popular apps on these devices and the demand for streaming is growing.

Related: Netflix strikes deal to stream first-run movies, elbows in on the pay TV release window

But DVDs aren’t dead yet. And to strip customers of the option of adding a movie to their queue, simply because Netflix isn’t yet able to deliver it over a stream feels like a bad call. Sure, customers looking to stream a movie over a tablet PC or an iPhone may be disappointed when they learn that the movie isn’t available for streaming. But why make them think that the movie isn’t available at all? In a blog post, Jamie Odell, the company’s director of product management, offered a vague and, quite frankly, lame reason for the change:

…providing the option to add a DVD to your Queue from a streaming device complicates the instant watching experience and ties up resources that are better used to improve the overall streaming functionality.

How exactly does it complicate it? Does the system have trouble differentiating between a stream and a DVD order? And what are these resources that you speak of? Isn’t this pretty much an automated process?

The beauty of these Netflix apps are that they let customers do more than just stream - they allow them to keep both accounts - the streams and the DVDs - active, all from the app. But maybe that’s the point. Maybe Netflix is trying to discourage users from ordering DVDs as a way to push them further into the world of streaming.

There were more than 250 comments on the Netflix blog post Monday, the majority of which were against the change. Hopefully, Netflix - which has had a reputation lately for giving customers the tools they want to enhance the experience - will hear them loud and clear when they say that they still want those DVDs.

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RE: Netflix downgrades app experience by dumping DVD option
marco5811 5th Sep
When I buy an e-book reader, I don't expect to use it to order paper books. The same with Netflix on the iPad. I don't use DVDs anymore. I only wanted streaming, so I dropped the service before the free month was over thinking I'd go back when that changed and they had more first-run type movies. tipy
Huh, "ties up resources"? You mean to say that Netflix can stream a gigabyte of data down as a movie but those few bytes sent up saying "add this to my queue" are overloading the system?
Or simply.. They want to generate more traffic to their website? Why bother using the site if everything works through the app..
@oboyledk That's an absurd claim - if everything was working through the app, they wouldn't need that button to begin with.
@CobraA1 If you cant click the add to DVD queue button from the app then you would go to the web site to add it. That is his point. Its flawed in that a user wouldn't know that the web site acts differently.
@oboyledk

This is for Xboxes and and the silly TVs and DVD players with remote controls, where every box you add beyond about five is a hassle. Also, this is not a problem for people with tablet PCs, because they wouldn't be using an "app". We just use IE, Firefox, or Chrome to watch it from the actual WEB.
@tkejlboom Also, this is not a problem for people with tablet PCs,...

All 25 of you wink
@oboyledk But what would they gain by driving you to their website versus the app? It's not like they would gain ad revenue or anything. If that were the case I could see the desire to drive people to the website but it isn't. What do they gain?
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I like the change
JAB40 18th Jan 2011
I used Netflix on my iPad for a while but dropped it because I was always putting movies in the DVD stream I didn't want in the DVD stream. When I buy an e-book reader, I don't expect to use it to order paper books. The same with Netflix on the iPad. I don't use DVDs anymore. I only wanted streaming, so I dropped the service before the free month was over thinking I'd go back when that changed and they had more first-run type movies. That seems to be happening now.
@JAB40 Then there should be an option to not show the DVD button. But, it should be there for those that do want it!
@JAB40 How hard is it to NOT press the add to DVD queue button?
@JAB40

We still have the DVD "The Box"....have had it for like 8 months now....ever since we could stream on the Wii.
@JAB40:

That's great. You absolutely do deserve to have the service that meets your needs.

For us, we only want DVDs. We do not want streaming video at all. When we sit down to watch a movie, we often have to break our viewing into two parts separated by 1 to 3 days.
@Cardhu With Netflix streaming you can break up the viewing in multiple parts, and it will resume where you left off. I have a movie and a couple of TV Shows waiting for me to resume. I have done this ever since I joined Netflix.
@JAB40 No offense and I am glad the change works for you but why should everyone else that wants the DVD option lose it because you can see the difference between a "Add to DVD" versus a "Add to Instant" button? I also find it ironic that the one post I have read here that likes the change is from somebody that canceled the service.
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Apparently Netflix doesn't know that Comcast customers can have their accounts cancelled if they download more than 250GB in a month (not hard to do for a family of 4 with multiple devices) - first time gets a warning, second time you get cancelled. That includes their own XFinity online content, believe it or not. Don't believe it or are you a Comcast customer that didn't know that? Read this:
https://customer.comcast.com/Pages/HelpNFC.aspx?print=false&id=aup-lite

I have Netflix on a TiVo, a PS-3, and an XBox 360 and in all cases if I look up a movie and it isn't available for streaming, I might want to get it anyway and removing the button to add it to the DVD queue is a stupid move on their part.
@JBoutot
Get a new service provider? This sounds like Comcast's problem, not Netflix's.
@Droid101 Seriously? Its not always possible to get another high speed Internet provider. In my neighborhood Comcast is the only choice. Netflix is a service that has to be able to work for many different households. There is no reason to remove the button. It doesn't impact resources. If people do not want to add it to DVD queue then dont press the button. It isn't confusing. There is Play Now and there is adding it to the instant or DVD queue. Thats not complicated. All they did was make it difficult for people to order DVDs.
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Yeah right, doh...
LTV10 18th Jan 2011
Get a new service provider? This sounds like Comcast's problem, not Netflix's.

Easier said than done. Especially from someone who has only one provider in their area.

Do try and come up with another lame response. wink
@JBoutot
File a class action law suite against Comcast maybe? It is definetly an issue with Comcast. You can also request to upgrade to commercial internet service where there is no cap on bandwidth usage.

This will change btw, Comcast will HAVE TO offer you a uncapped service at a reasonable rate because they are in direct violation of the net neutrality laws otherwise.
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@VRSpock

Oh there's a law, that changes everything, gee how simple just pass a law saying everyone gets unlimited Internet and suddenly the resources exist to make it true.

We need to try this with other things, unlimited food, unlimited water...unlimited life span, just have the government pass a law and all those things will be ours. Brilliant I tell you!
@JBoutot

I'm sure the bulk of people don't setup their DVD queues from the Xbox, and wanted to declutter the interface. Comcast is a corrupt crap hole of a company actively trying to put Netflix out of business. If Netflix minimized their service to work with what Comcast tries to choke, they'd die.
@tkejlboom That is the truth, I setup of my queue from my computer, DVD's and Streaming. Then go to my Xbox 360 when I want to stream, or browse through the new arrivals and add more or watch. I have way more DVD's in my queue then Streaming, but that is just me.
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@tkejlboom I have never used an Xbox to view Netflix content but I can tell you that this is a pain for this iOS user. I regularly grab either my iPhone of my wifes iPad while watching TV to check availability of a movie or show that I might have seen a reference to. It's far more convenient than waiting until later and possibly forgetting or stopping everything then to go to the computer to check.
@JBoutot I am aware of this and I keep a close eye on it, but if comcast ever did this to someone because of netflix I am sure there will be lawsuits. Sor far with Netflix streaming 2-3 movies a week and plus all the other web browsing I use about 30 Gig, so it will be awhile before I use 250 gig.
It's quite simple, really. Look at the trend with iTunes. Now, unless your system has HDCP, meaning an HDMI connected monitor with HDCP, you can't download HD content from Apple. This is in response to pressure from many copyright holders under the DMCA. It will soon transpire that netflix will also not stream HD unless you have HDCP and they will drop DVDs altogether. It's bad enough the HD you do get via iTunes or streaming services is no better than ordinary DVD quality, if you're lucky, but even low bitrate streaming from these services will also start requiring HDCP connections. The MPAA, RIAA and ASCAP organizations are not that unaware and think this will be the solution to all their woes. All it takes is enough silver in the palms of enough lawyers to make it happen.
@RyuDarragh
Anyone who purchases media through iTunes is an idiot. Period.
@Droid101
The numbers don't lie, iTunes is the leader... and gen Y will only continue to fuel those profits...
@Droid101 I have disagree, while I hate iTunes, Mac users and some windows users love it. I have tried the Zune software and bought one movie, Doubt I will buy anymore with Netflix, but people who prefers software/services you do not like are not idots. That is your opinion, not facts.
@Broggy69 That is your opinion, not facts.

Most of Droid101's posts that I see are nothing but opinion that he spouts as fact. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but when they prosent them as fact they just show how little it really matters.
@RyuDarragh
The movie industry as a whole, are very stupid. They resist Netflix in allowing them to stream the latest movies, so people have to go get a DVD from Redbox for 99 cents. Now that they have the DVD in hand, they can pop it into their PC and rip the movie right of the disc no matter what sort of copy protection it has on it...even if it is the latest, newest copy protection that they spent billions developing and just released 2 days ago.

With Netflix, there is not a single movie on there that can be copied....Netflix has full control over who can watch what when and where.
@VRSpock Now how to tell hollywood this, it is very stupid they do not see Netlix and other movie streaming services as the next evolution of movie distribution, in 10+ years DVD's Blu-Ray will be out, but streaming will always be popular.
Do people still use spinning media??? seriously DVD and blu ray are so last decade... streaming only, I dumped all DVD players in my house, never bought blu ray, I keep a ASUS Oplay on every TV and Apple TV.

Welcome to the next decade!
@Hasam1991
Right... poor image quality, pixelation, blocking, extreme color range compression and hideous motion blur are SO modern. Not to mention glacial navigation, stuttering, rebuffering, hiccups, hangs and crashes. Or how about NO Dolby True HD or even 1980s-era Dolby 5.1 surround. Plus the added benefit of never having to leave your dark little teenager's bedroom to venture into the sunlight and let the neighbor's see you.
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@cornyation-fan@...
What are you taking about? I stream all the time and it is as good of quality as any DVD I ever use....except it doesn't skip 5 minutes of a movie because of a scratch.

Yeah...it may pause-in-place once in a great moon due to heavy network congestion, but 99 percent of the time, we can stream from 3 different devices simultaneously with no problems and we stream over 350 titles per month.

I also don't understand about the "no true dolby" as the movies have the same surround sound as any of my DVD's...so WTH?

Perhaps you need to sue your ISP for their crappy connection.
@cornyation-fan@...
My internet connection is 24mpbs and my whole house is wired with CAT6 with gigabit on everything...
@Hasam1991

some of us dont jump on the next fad. hows 3d going for you?
@Bodazapha
True... but I hate 3D! I much rather have lcd without 3d, cheaper and nicer picture..
@Bodazapha

I agree....3D IS a fad....3D is something people should go to the movie theater for....along with moving seats that vibrate and shake to the action.

Perhaps the movie theaters should look to the movie Matinee for inspiration on how to draw people into the theaters in mass.
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@Hasam1991

Yeah, that's the way the movie companies like it, that way they can price gogue you to death by making you pay per use by streaming rather than allowing you a physical media which you can watch infinite at your own leisure at one flat rate.

And there are too many things that physical media allow which are impossible with streaming, like director's commentaries.

Physical media will never be obsolete, ever.
@Doctor Demento Per streaming? What are you talking about. Netflix you only need the $8.99 plan and you get unlimited streaming no extra cost. So where do you get per streaming?
@Hasam1991 yes a lot of people still use DVD's, heck I even use a VCR, only because I do not want to rebuy all the movies I already bought, but with Netflix streaming I have bought less streamed more, but not all of Netflix movies are available for streaming, so the DVD/Blu-Ray is what remains.
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Not enough stuff available via streaming!
khammo01 Updated - 18th Jan 2011
OK - if everything is available via streaming, this wouldn't be a problem. But 9 of the last 10 times I looked for a movie on Netflix, it was only available via DVD.
They are putting the cart before the horse here. They are pushing us to use their streaming service because they make a lot more money with streaming media than they do with managing DVD inventory shipping out DVDs, but a big proportion of their catalogue is still only available on DVD!
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Netflix is pushing aggressively to boost profits. I received a Blu-ray disk that skipped over 10 minutes of the movie. We finished watching till the end anyway, since we had already committed the evening to watching that movie.

So when I reported it as defective, I told them to just ship the next title in my queue. Well, not only did they NOT ship until they got the bad disk back, they didn't credit our account for the bad disk, presumably because we didn't make them re-ship it.
@cornyation-fan@... Credit your account for what? I am not aware of an account available with Netflix which charges for each DVD they send you. I also do not blame them for not shipping the next DVD in your queue until receiving the defective one back. Not saying anything about you but how many times do you think they hear something like that because the person wants the next DVD a bit faster.
man up Sam and quit your crying
I've been a Netflix subscriber for less than a month. The vast majority of movies I want (as opposed to movies suggested to me) are DVD-only. Removing this option gives me reason to just remove the service.
Netflix is on a slow march to Pi$$ people off in many ways. I think many people have been waiting patiently for them to get better content on the Streaming side so they don't need to order the DVD, however, Netflix is failing miserably. I wanted to stream the Movie "Wind Talkers" the other night (movie came out in 2002 or very close) and they could not stream. How in the heck can they be that far behind, when they have the DVD? I plan on giving Netflix another month or two and if they haven't gotten their act together, will most likely discontinue the service entirely and just deal with Pay Per View on my Cable box as they, I only pay for what I use.
So, in one of those "steering committee" meetings, some mid-level minion figured this way they can "maneuver" the customer toward streaming only. I can only imagine terms as "shaping the experience" and "managing the customer" in their little minded meetings.

I see a resurgence of mom and pop video stores on the horizon.
Like all changes like this, it was done for marketing reasons, not remotely technical. Since companies don't ever want to admit that, they make up some lame technical reason which makes them look deceitful and stupid. Obviously, they want to get out of the physical media business to increase profit which is OK.
But WHAT ABOUT all the 100's of thousands of people who subscribe to NetFlix and rely on the DVD's for movies WHO DON'T HAVE a High speed internet connection because they live in a rural area where the local ISP can't provide it for them? Are they just going to be S.O.Luck? NetFlix SO FAR has been doing a really great job, HOPE THEY DON'T GO THE WAY OF OTHER GREEDY ORGANIZATIONS!
When I buy an e-book reader, I don't expect to use it to order paper books. The same with Netflix on the iPad. I don't use DVDs anymore. I only wanted streaming, so I dropped the service before the free month was over thinking I'd go back when that changed and they had more first-run type movies. tipy

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