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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

New Nook Tablet has a shot against Kindle Fire

By | November 8, 2011, 2:00am PST

Summary: The Kindle Fire might be more budget-friendly, but the recently unveiled Nook Tablet packs more punch.

A couple weeks back, before the Nook Tablet was officially introduced on Monday, I ran down a brief bullet list of points that the next generation of the Nook Color needs to hit in order to compete with the Kindle Fire.

Although not all of the demands were met, Barnes & Noble might succeed anyway.

Let’s go over the pricing first. Amazon’s Kindle Fire might be more budget-friendly with its $199 price tag, but the $249 Nook Tablet packs more punch when it comes to value.

There are two features that really fuel this argument: the display and the storage space. Both the Kindle Fire and the Nook Tablet have 7-inch IPS touch screens with 16 million colors. However, the Nook Tablet also has a laminated coating that really does spruce up the screen when watching HD videos as that layer reduces glare and reflection while boosting the color vividness.

But the feature that might actually warrant the extra $50 is the sheer amount of storage space. The Kindle Fire only has 8GB of onboard memory — only 6GB of which is accessible to the user.

But the Nook Tablet has double that at 16GB, and with the microSD card slot that is ready for 32GB of more space, there’s the potential for 48GB of storage. That’s huge and probably essential for users who don’t have frequent access to Wi-Fi or might be in the midst of traveling but want to watch movies beyond just streaming. There isn’t much of a cloud option to speak of like there is with the Kindle Fire, but there are supported third-party apps (i.e. Dropbox) that are available on the Nook Tablet to fulfill this need.

That segues into what could be another major determining factor for the Nook Tablet: the ecosystem. At first, it might seem easy to concede this win to Amazon because of its multiple products (i.e. cloud, music, e-books, the online megastore, etc.) can all line up in one place on the Kindle Fire. Yet, that assumes that all prospective customers are willing to buy into the Amazon ecosystem wholeheartedly.

For those who don’t want to, the Nook Tablet is the ideal set up for consumers who have plenty of other subscriptions elsewhere (i.e. Netflix, Hulu Plus, Dropbox, etc.) and don’t want to sign up for similar services again. This also provides ample opportunity for any Amazon competitors to move over to B&N’s side of the aisle.

For consumers who are not terribly interested in streaming/watching lots of video and just want a decent tablet at a more affordable price, then $199 for the Kindle Fire (and maybe even the Nook Color) is defintiely more appealing and will pick up those customers more easily.

However, the Nook Tablet certainly has a fire of its own, making the competition this holiday season hotter than previously anticipated.

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Rachel King is a staff writer for CBS Interactive in San Francisco. Before serving as a contributing editor at ZDNet in New York City for two years, she previously worked for The Business Insider, FastCompany.com, CNN's San Francisco bureau and the U.S. Department of State. Rachel has also written for MainStreet.com, Irish America Magazine and the New York Daily News, among others. Rachel has a B.A. in Mass Communications and History from the University of California, Berkeley and a M.S. in Journalism from Columbia University, where she served as art director for the student magazine, Plated.

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RE: New Nook Tablet has a shot against Kindle Fire
richorlin 17th Nov
Everyone is comparing the 8gb storage on the Fire to the 16gb storage on the Nook Tablet and they are all getting it wrong. Of that 16gb, only 13gb is available for use. And of that 13gb, a whopping 12gb is dedicated to B&N purchased content. So, the reality is, you only have ONE, I repeat ONE gb of internal storage available for sideloaded material. Anything greater than that and you must use the SD card for storage...and that ups the initial cost dfor the tablet. You want 32gb...there's another $40 added to the initial cost of the tablet. Whoops, now it costs you almost 50% more than the Amazon Kindle.
If I were in the market for a cheap Android tablet - I'd probably go with the Nook Tablet based on the potential 48 GB of storage. 6 GB of accessible storage space on the Fire is NOT enough!
"Amazon???s Kindle Fire might be more budget-friendly with its $199 price tag, but the $249 Nook Tablet packs more punch when it comes to value."

While you may yet be right, that approach hasn't worked for any iPad competitor yet. I remain skeptical.
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@Badgered The Nook Tablet isn't competing against the iPad as much as it is competing against the Kindle Fire... although IMHO a small form factor tablet that not only makes a killer ereader but can also be rooted and made into a full fledged tablet can be competition for the iPad as far as the "wanting/needed to save money techie crowd" goes.
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@Pete "athynz" Athens

I think Badgered was talking about the whole competing on specs approach. How it hasn't worked with the iPad competitors competing purely on specs.

For example the Xoom looked better on paper next to the iPad (v.1), if we are to compare specs alone. But when we view everything the iPad offered: the smooth and polish UI, the apps and ecosystem, the help and support at Apple stores, the number of accessory choices, even down to the resale value, the iPad wins hands down on value.
@dave95. I think Badgered was talking about the whole competing on specs approach. How it hasn't worked with the iPad competitors competing purely on specs.

Exactly.
Yup, gotta admit: to me the Nook Color is more appealing than the Fire. The extra storage space for movies is the major selling point. Also, having just browsed the B&N app store, it looks like they're making good progress in building it up. It's still a mere shadow of the Android market and pales beside Amazon's App Store, but the app count is definitely getting healthier.

It's just too bad there isn't even a puny 1MP front facing camera for Skype video chatting.
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Content always beats performance
Michael Kelly 8th Nov
I've already said this in on another blog, but it's worth repeating. Betamax was better than VHS in most ways except for content. That's why VHS won. The Mac, OS/2 and Linux were better than Windows in many ways at different points in time, but Windows always had better content (in the form of quantity and quality of applications). That's why Windows has always won on the PC. The iPad is slam dunking the Android and other competition on tablets not because it performs better or has more features, but because it has better and more content.

Now the good folks at B&N are putting up a good fight by partnering with Netflix, Hulu and the like to combat the great Amazon content machine. They understand what is at stake. But B&N is fighting an uphill battle with regards to content, and while putting out a better performing tablet helps improve their image, in the end Amazon has too much going for it in the content department for B&N to have a prayer in gaining any upper hand. The most they can hope for is to stay in business as #2.
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Let's not forget battery life
ArtInvent 8th Nov
The Nook is claiming 11.5 hours general use and 9 hrs video vs the Fire at 8 and 7.5 hrs resp. Honestly the Nook looks like the better tablet to me. It would be one thing if you could add more storage to the Kindle through a card. You can't. That's a pretty big mistake to me for any tablet or phone. I have tons of video on my HDD that I can slap on a phone or tablet. The Kindle's limited memory is going to be a big stumbling block for anyone that wants to take along more than 4-5 movies tops. With a card you could easily get 40 movies on the Nook.
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The best thing to me about the Nook is that you can probably put a better v. of Android on it like the Nook Color. Probably add the Android Market. And therefore get the Kindle app and Amazon Music and shopping apps etc. (just like my Motorola Android phone) so the Nook may well be nearly as good an Amazon tablet as the Amazon tablet. It's got a mic and a speaker, so although there's no camera, you could probably use it as a WiFi IP phone. It's just a lot more flexible. When you add all that up, $250 for that capability is kind of a steal.
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No doubt the Kindle will sell tons purely because Amazon is so prominent and it will probably be simple and slick, and the price is certainly attractive. But B&N has a lot of appeal for other people who scratch the surface. It's not like there will just be one tablet for everyone.
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@ArtInvent Agreed. And really when you compare the two hardware-wise for just $50 more the Nook tablet appears to be worth this small difference.
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Distribution
Robert Hahn 8th Nov
Ninety per cent of the people who will buy one of these two tablets have not heard of the Nook, and will not hear of it until long after they've bought the Fire... if ever.

The Kindle line is the first thing you see when you go to Amazon; it pops up in the list of things that "people who bought this item also bought" even if the thing you're buying is a garden hose; plus it's in all the big box stores.

The Kindle Fire will squash the Nook like a bug. Like XOOMs and Iconias, the Nook is for geeks... and for Amazon-haters.
@Robert Hahn

I very much like Amazon, but when I bought an eInk tablet over a year ago I still chose the Nook. So I guess I fall into the geek category.
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OK, nerds then
Robert Hahn 8th Nov
Most people here do. Seriously: who else is going to spend time reading ZDNet when they could be reading about the Kardashians or the Cardassians or Michael Jackson's doctor?
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I agree...
rmazzeo 8th Nov
@Michael Kelly I very much like Amazon as well - I do most of my online shopping there & my wife just won a Kindle, which she likes very much. She will upgrade this to the Kindle Fire when it becomes available. I, however, being a geek, chose a refurb Nook Color, with the intention of using it both as an ereader & as a full-bore tablet with a modded SD card. I will tap into Amazon from my modded NC, as well as a lot of other apps, content & such. It is the additional SD card slot that does it for me. If the NC could not have been modded, I probably would not have bothered with a tablet/ereader at all. I like the physical book itself, but when one can get 2 things for the absurdly low price of one of these items, why not? I also may end up purchasing a Nook Tablet in about a year, after my NC warranty is up, so B&N isn't losing anything by allowing the reader to be hacked - it is definitely gaining a new customer. I am also sure others feel this way...
@Robert Hahn Kardashians or the Cardassians

+1 for combining Star Trek and Useless Human Beings that somehow managed to get on TV in one sentence.
@Robert Hahn

You left out the people who visit bookstores. Every B&N store has the Nooks featured right up front, where anyone can try them out. Books-a-Million is also hawking them now. My wife and son have known what the Nook is since it was introduced, but my son (a 23 year old recent college grad) staggered me only a month ago by asking what the Kindle was. B&N is playing to this 'in-house' market with discounts to members of their frequent buyer club, $25 on the Tablet, for example. It will be interesting to see if this gives them enough sales to keep it going. Where can you handle a Kindle before you buy it? Radio Shack? Please!
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"Where can you handle a Kindle before you buy it? Radio Shack? Please!"

It was reported Best Buy and Staples will sell the Fire in stores. Target already sell the eInk Kindles so my guess they will also cary the Fire. So consumers will get to play with the devices.

There's not a whole lot of People visiting book stores these days, at least where I live (compared to years past). Borders was a casualty of this. Those that do generally are not thinking electronics I don't think, which is why B&N placed the Nook directly at the entrance of their stores with a sales person aggressively pushing the device onto unsuspecting customers. I am willing to bet the majority of Nook sales went towards the geeks looking for a cheap device they can root and transform into a tablet, not so much the average book reading joe walking into B&N. Who are just looking for a good book and coffee.

As someone who has frequented many Barnes and Noble stores, I am delighted to see them adopting to the times though and surviving. Allocating more space for Nooks and other electronics while reducing the CDs and DVDs it stocks.
@Robert Hahn - You may have a point. I don't know for sure but I'd assume there are more Kindle users out there than Nook users. I own a Nook color and love it but I think the average Kindle user with an old B&W model is more likely to upgrade to another Kindle than switch to a Nook....
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RE: New Nook Tablet has a shot against Kindle Fire
courtneyflats Updated - 8th Nov
@Robert Hahn I am far from a geek and very far from an Amazon hater - I love my Kindle ereader and will probably always stick with Amazon's dedicated ereaders and I love the Amazon store BUT I do not have access to the Internet at home and may never get around to having it therefore I will be looking seriously at the Nook Tablet's reviews just because it has better storage options while having the same processor as the Fire - I definitely won't be buying this generation Kindle Fire and since I doubt Amazon will be adding expandable storage anytime soon (really would love to be wrong on this btw) the Nook Tablet is very attractive to this Amazon Lover!
I just received via UPS a recertified Nook Color purchased on eBay...a few of days after reading about the new Nook Tablet being released. I didn't even open it up, called B&N and got an RMA and will get the new Nook Tablet as soon as it's available at my local store.
The tech support guy I talked to at B&N says the new tablet has full access to the Android Market. Even if I have to "hack it" with full Android on the microSD card, it will still be worth the extra $100 for 16GB + 32 on the SD card, 1 MB RAM vs. 512K and a dual core processor vs. the single core in the NC.
I read a lot of side-loaded ePub files and am amazed that many of my friends who use the same epub are buying Kindles because of the name recognition. They are in for major disappointment.
How much room does the NT have on the device? 13 GB usable... except B&N has locked 12 GB of the 13 GB available to their store. (Those 12 GB aren't even viewable when you plug the device to your PC.) This information is on the product page in a footnote...since the footnotes are in a faded font, I imagine they weren't trying to draw attention to them.
Michael Who?
B&N has to showplace some feature to compensate for its higher price and I guess the big sell is storage which tells me they are hoping people do not understand the cloud. Exactly how much storage do users think they will need when they don't have access to WiFi? The ability to hold 4 movies and 4,000 books before you swap out should be sufficient for any sane individual who is not a convict. Even if you were stuck on a plane for 8 hours your native storage would be sufficient on a Amazon Fire.

IMO if you are buying a device to read books, the Amazon Kindle is the way to go and if there are complaints about that device from $79 - $120 with a 30 day battery life, you are unreasonable.

The ability to store an unlimited amount of movies and books in the cloud and move them among devices is huge as is the ability to share books. For those who want to root the Nook for native Android, you got me and enjoy yourself.

Me I am happy with ease of use and letting the Silk OS provide fast and snappy presentation.

Oh by the say the hype of the Nook display for HD content is total nonsense in the same category as HD on a screen that is smaller than 37" but we now live in a world where facts take a back seat to information and hype.
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More PROs; 2 CONs
rle11wb@... 8th Nov
Better specs easily offset the extra $50 (minor CON); but the big problem...its Barnes & Noble!
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Nook Tablet is $224 if sign up for Barnes & Noble membership. E-Ink Nook Simpletouch at $99 (without ads) has twice the battery life of Kindle Touch, faster page turns than Kindle Touch, 80% less flashing on page turns than Kindle touch, and microSD card slot to expand capacity that neither Kindle has.
Nook Tablet is clearly the superior device over Kindle Fire. Not just 11.5 hours battery life but 9 hours of video playback time - that's vs. 8 hours for reading and 7.5 hours of video playback on Kindle Fire (even that 7.5 hours will not hold true in tests, video playback drains battery much more than reading)
1 GB RAM Vs. 512 MB RAM of Kindle Fire, 16 GB content capacity plus 32 GB via microSD card vs. 8 GB capacity of Kindle Fire with no expansion slot. Fully laminated HD screen for reduced glare vs. no lamination of Kindle Fire. Bulit-in and optimized Netflix and Hulu plus with millions of movies/shows vs. 100K movies/shows of Amazon store. Nook Tablet has built-in mic for Skype voice conferencing and dictations to speech recognition software. Nook already has Cloud as all eBooks in your online library are stored there as well as downloaded to your device. For streaming movies and shows it has Netflix and Hulu Clouds. Twice better device.
I have both the Kindle 3 and the Nook Color and I think they complement each other well. I use the Nook color almost exclusively to read books and magazines. I don't have any problems reading on LCD screen for any period of time. When I am on travel, I also use the NC for movies, games and videos. I cannot imagine not having the micro SD expansion slot as I store my videos on SD cards and cycled through them on travel as needed. I also use the kindle 3 when I am on travel internationally so I can use the free 3G service to check mails, read the news and buy books. WiFi is often not readily available internationally so having 3G access to emails are important. I never bother with the Amazon "cloud" as I believe the best place to store stuff is on your own terms and on your own device.

Based on the spec and my experience on the NC, if I want an upgrade, I'll go with the Nook Tablet in a heartbeat.
It seems that Mr. Bezos has taken a few lessons from Darth Jobs with the Fire. (Closed ecosystem, limited onboard storage, controlled App Store). As a tech user who likes to get the most out of their devices, my choice will definitely be the Nook Tablet. It may have passed the kid test on first look, but what about on a long trip? What are Fire owners going to do when they can't access any other content, & the child is finished watching what little is stored on the device, hmmm? The $50 extra seems like a better expenditure to me, for the storage space alone, not to mention the FREEDOM to do more with it!!
@Robert Hahn: Gee, Amazon fanboy much?! I like Amazon's prices on a lot of stuff, and the Free App Per Day program on their App Store, but the Kindle Fire just seems too "iPad Lite" for me. There's too much that I CAN'T do with it.
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My understanding (just heard this second hand) is that Amazon is limiting the apps that run on its tablet to those sold on its site. *If* the Nook tablet can download unrestricted apps from Android Market, then this could make a major difference for consumers, as Amazon's app store still has only a fraction of the apps available on Android Market. What's certain is that this competition is great for consumers, and for app developers, too! And it will build the Android user base like nothing else.

BTW, you can get a 10.1 inch Viewsonic G Tablet on Amazon itself for just $270. The OS for this is not great, but if you replace it with a free one from CyanogenMod, it rocks! Two 1GHz processors, 16MB onboard RAM, SDCard up to 16 more. I have it and it is very usable.
Everyone is comparing the 8gb storage on the Fire to the 16gb storage on the Nook Tablet and they are all getting it wrong. Of that 16gb, only 13gb is available for use. And of that 13gb, a whopping 12gb is dedicated to B&N purchased content. So, the reality is, you only have ONE, I repeat ONE gb of internal storage available for sideloaded material. Anything greater than that and you must use the SD card for storage...and that ups the initial cost dfor the tablet. You want 32gb...there's another $40 added to the initial cost of the tablet. Whoops, now it costs you almost 50% more than the Amazon Kindle.

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