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OpenSUSE 11 RC1: The Mercedes-Benz to Ubuntu’s Volkswagen

By | June 3, 2008, 5:00am PDT

Summary: 2008 will be a very good vintage for community end-user Linux distributions. So far, we’ve seen the release of Ubuntu 8.04, which is universally considered to be  a major milestone release in usability and device compatibility, and one of the easiest distros to install. While not as widely lauded, we have also recently seen the [...]

zd-suseboot.jpg2008 will be a very good vintage for community end-user Linux distributions. So far, we’ve seen the release of Ubuntu 8.04, which is universally considered to be  a major milestone release in usability and device compatibility, and one of the easiest distros to install. While not as widely lauded, we have also recently seen the release of Fedora Core 9, Red Hat’s community development and bleeding edge technology testing platform, which was the first to implement the production release of KDE 4.0 as well as pilot the development version of the Ext4 journaling filesystem.

I must admit, however, to having a particularly strong interest in OpenSUSE, Novell’s entry into the community Linux distro fray. It could be said that in an indirect way, there’s a little bit of my DNA in the product. Back in May of 2005, I wrote the following in a column about the fate of SuSE in  Linux Magazine:

“It’s pretty darn clear to me that to make mojo, SuSE Linux Professional needs to look deep into its roots and re-birth itself as a public, open source project similar to Fedora. While Novell executives might think twice about copy-catting Red Hat and many of Novell’s critics would undoubtedly categorize such a response as a knee-jerk reaction and a Johnny-come-lately, there are a number of reasons for Fedora-izing SuSE Linux. Heck, I think it would be a better Fedora than Fedora.”

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It was only three months later I was contacted by Novell executives and was informed that my pleas were heard and my wishes had been granted. SuSE Linux Professional would be set free, as OpenSUSE. There were some unexpected twists, however. Not only would OpenSUSE be a technology test-bed like Fedora and full of developer goodies, but also it would be Novell’s mass-market end-user consumer Linux desktop, and be fully supported by the company with stable releases and long term support.

This differs greatly from Fedora which is a strictly community-supported affair and has relatively short life spans for each release. Compared to that of OpenSUSE and Ubuntu, a Fedora release lifecycle is analogous to a fruit fly’s. That being said, the first three releases of OpenSUSE were rough. 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 were plagued with a number of performance and stability problems, much of which were related to a completely redesigned package management system that attempted to combine many of the Red Carpet technologies brought in from the Ximian acquisition and their ZEN line of systems management products.

Many of us felt that the new libzypp packaging and software update technology wasn’t ready for prime time, and that they should have maintained the original YAST repository format and updater programs until the new system was stable. Still, the OpenSUSE developers pressed on, and in 2007, released version 10.3, which sported a highly customized GNOME GUI and completely re-worked user Control Panel, that was designed from the ground up from Novell-sponsored usability studies, and was one of the first distributions to include the 3D Compiz composite windowing manager.

The result was something that seemed like a mesh of Windows Vista and Macintosh, but in a good way. The packaging and update software was better, but it was still pretty slow, and you needed a fairly hefty box to take advantage of the best features of the distro. Granted, far less than Vista, but it still required a significant amount of system resources to run well.

OpenSUSE 11.0  Release Candidate 1

Flash forward to Memorial Day weekend, 2008 — and the first release candidate of OpenSUSE 11 is released into the wild.

OpenSUSE is not a small distribution. In fact, it would be safe to day it DOES contain the veritable kitchen sink and everything an end-user could ever possibly want installed by default. I have always referred to SUSE as the “Deluxe” of Linux distributions, and with good reason — a full 4.5GB OpenSUSE DVD is packed like a Tokyo subway car, leaving almost no room to spare, with thousands of packages — this includes complete, fully integrated builds of GNOME 2.22, KDE 4.0.3 and XFCE. An installable “Live CD” installable version, with your choice of GNOME or KDE, targeted towards the impatient and for less resource intensive systems with much fewer packages included are also available.

See Also: OpenSUSE 11.0 RC1 Screen Shot Gallery

zd-suse-installer.jpgThe first thing you’ll notice about OpenSUSE 11 is the completely renovated installer program. In fact, I’d have to say that next to Mac, this is probably the most beautiful installer program I have ever seen. Beauty isn’t just skin deep, however — a lot of time and work has been invested to make the SUSE installer faster and easier to use. A complete install, with everything, including GNOME, KDE, XFCE and the development and server packages — sans the multilingual documentation selected on my ThinkPad T60, with a 32-bit 1.8Ghz Core Duo and 2GB of RAM took approximately 40 minutes. That ain’t too shabby for a full DVD worth of stuff.

I am also quite impressed with how fast the package repository management works in the RC1 release. In 10.3, the initial repository setup could take up to a half an hour, and would frequently bomb out.  Not with 11.0 — a dozen repos, which include the vast user-contributed PACKMAN in Germany as well as the newly launched OpenSUSE build service, only took a few minutes to set up. The new software update utility is also significantly faster and much more stable. For those of you who prefer a command line, the “zypper” utility will provide a similar experience to “yum” or “apt-get” on Fedora/Red Hat and Ubuntu/Debian, respectively.

One of the things that I noticed was that OpenSUSE is probably one of the most virtualization-enabled Linux distributions an end-user can get their hands on. The 64-bit x86 version (a PowerPC version for Mac and IBM POWER hardware is also available) includes the Xen hypervisor and paravirtualized kernel and works more-or-less out of the box enabled to run fully accelerated on Microsoft’s Hyper-V hypervisor on Windows Server 2008, provided you install Microsoft’s hypercall adapter drivers, which fully support SUSE OSes.  It also includes Sun’s VirtualBox software as well as QEMU, a GUI front-end to the KVM kernel virtual machine monitor.

What I was most impressed with, however, was that OpenSUSE was pre-configured with VMWare’s openvmtools  and didn’t require any special configuration to make it run fully accelerated and optimized for VMWare Server 2.0, ESX 3.5, Workstation 6 or VMWare Player 2.0. On most Linux distributions, this requires installing kernel sources/headers and compiler tools as a prerequisite if your distribution doesn’t have a natively built guest balloon memory driver module, mouse module, X drivers and virtual networking drivers built for it in the VMWare Tools installer. For a virtualization junkie like me, it made OpenSUSE a very easy sell for cloned virtual LAMP server configs on my VMWare Server and ESX boxes.

zd-suse-gnome.jpgThe GNOME UI in 11.0 seems to be more of an evolution than a revolution - short of the improved packaged management and tweaked control panels and required package versioning updates that you would expect, the GNOME implementation looks virtually identical to 10.3’s. This is not a bad thing, as 10.3 introduced an excellent community build of the Novell-tweaked version that had already been released in SLED 10, Novell’s corporate Linux desktop.  It’s about as nice a GNOME as you are going to find on any Linux distribution.

zd-suse-kde4.jpgKDE 4, however, is a significant departure from the 3.5 interface in 10.3. What can I say? The desktop is utterly gorgeous, and clearly very Mac-inspired with all sorts of animated doo-dads and bells and whistles. However, at least in this release candidate, I encountered a number of stability issues, particularly with the Konqueror browser (KDE’s answer to IE 7 and GNOME’s Nautilus file manager) and network access. Presumably, this is still a work in progress and they are still fixing some last minute showstopper bugs, but the release of OpenSUSE 11 is only a few weeks away.

I’ve only begun to scratch the surface of this vast and powerful Linux distribution. Many improvements in usability, performance and stability have been made, enough that OpenSUSE has won me back as an end-user.  However, I would still say at this point in the distro’s evolution, it is not the Linux for the masses or even for the people. It remains true to its roots, which was and still is for power users with systems that can fully take advantage of everything it has to offer. If Ubuntu is a Volkswagen, then OpenSUSE is a Mercedes-Benz.

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RE: OpenSUSE 11 RC1: The Mercedes-Benz to Ubuntu???s Volkswagen
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
Sustain the great perform, I like your cheap authentic nfl jersey providing.
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SuSE is the best distro going.
bjbrock 3rd Jun 2008
Especially if your a Windows person looking for a place to start in Open Source. YAST is the very best configuration interface in the Linux world today. No other distro has anything close.

If you want to make the move to open source, SuSE is where you want to go.
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MCC better
super_J 3rd Jun 2008
"YAST is the very best configuration interface in the Linux world today. No other distro has anything close."

YAST is fantastic, but I think Mandriva Control Center (from Mandriva obviously) is even better.
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agreed
catseverywhere@... 4th Jun 2008
For years the MCC was a cruel joke. "click here for Linux-windows networking!" "Click here for ldap!!" You'd be invited in, but most of the tools would fail, often making a hand fix far more difficult than manual configuration in the first place.

But nowadays they have it nailed, it is the best centralized control/config center to be had in any Linux distribution.

I recommend 2008.1 "spring," try the live CD distro called "One," you'll be surprised...
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I thought, from the title, that you meant the (old) MCC Linux. Thanks for the laugh, and your opinion of the Mandriva package manager. I believe I'll have another look at Mandrake's child.
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Used Suse 9.0 & 9.1.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 3rd Jun 2008
It was a great distro, great Suse Control Center, very easy to use. I did find that (and I think still true), the Suse control center was slow and software updates, etc were slow.

I am not on Mandriva One (paid for it), and if (based on my previous experiences), Suse is a Mercedes, I'd call Mandriva a BMW. I know you can't go wrong with Mandriva (no, it isn't pure, it includes proprietary drivers, etc) but it makes a newbies life easy.

TripleII
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Suse User
chromeronin 4th Jun 2008
I'm a Suse 10.2 & 10.3 user, and primarily prefer KDE but I'm approaching 11.0 with caution, especially on my tablet as I had finally got all of the screen resolution issues, tablet input issues sorted in 10.2 and I'm worries it will all be busted in KDE4.0 again 8(
The package mangement in 10.2 nearly drove me to Ubuntu as debians apt-get and synaptic pagage management is 10 times better, but the rest of YaST kept me on suse.
Having all of the config panels in one place makes administration for a linux newbie just so much easier. Infact I could never understand how Ubuntu got the "easy to use" label as it feels a generation behind Suse and YaST for settings such as apache virtual servers, DNS/DHCP configuration, hardware, X11 setup, Samba etc all of which still really need editing of text config files in most of the debians I have tried.
If KDE4 is still unstable (in 10.3 I've given up, the applications are just to unstable and I've gone back to 3.5) I'll proably switch to Gnome, but run my KDE 3.5 apps in it.
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Re;Suse User. Yeah, me too.
hkommedal 6th Jun 2008
I am now trying out OpenSuSE11, but I am using it with KDE 3.5 and NOT KDE 4. The installer gave me the choice between the 2 and it stated that 3.5 was well testet and stable (and I know it is as I am using that on OpenSuSE 10.3). About the KDE 4 it stated that it was not as mature as 3.5 and it could lead to instability.
I may give it a go later, but last time I tried it (some weeks ago) it WAS unstable.
Can only say one thing about the YaST : That is the way they should ALL do it ; Linuxes And Windows. (Well Windows would not have the choice of download sources and a few other things.)
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I going to select KDE3 as default as well. Then can i have both KDE3 and KDE4 installed? Or i need select KDE4 as default in order to have it?
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Not me
dragonbite 9th Jun 2008
I know it may be a little bit buggy, but I used Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 remix and now I'm hooked on 4! I like the look and feel overall and it feels more comfortable for me.

I haven't been too big into KDE, but KDE 4 has replaced most of my issues with 3.5 (even though I really don't know what they are).
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KDE 4 vs 3.5
avillegasdb 10th Jun 2008
I am on SuSE since 2 years now and I definitely love
KDE and YAST. I like what I've seen from Open SuSE
11.0 I have the choice to have both KDE 4 and 3.5
installed and switch back and forth between them. I
will start with KDE 3.5 and try some KDE 4 apps
inside (wich is supported) until version 4 gets more
stable (perhaps in Open SuSE 11.1).

I will have a virtual machine for the experiments so
that I don't put in risk my main desktop. As you may
have imagined, my windows machine is a virtual one
hosted by a SuSE guest. I currently use VMWare Server
which is rock solid and free happy
I found SUSE too hard to figure out how to use, whereas I and just about any other Windows XP user I've shown it to has had no problem getting into and using Ubuntu. Same goes for the Xandros distro that powers that limited but REALLY E-Z 2 Use shell the EEE PC has....

So I'm curious - why is SUSE considered so superior to Ubuntu? Or is Ubuntu's and Xandros's ease of use masking severe OS limitations that a casual Linux enduser like me wouldn't readily notice?
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I found it pretty easy to figure out, but then it was the BOXED version. That includes 5 CDs + 1 DVD and a MANUAL!
There is one thing though; I usually choose KDE because I find that so much easier to configure both on small user things ( like the look and number of desktops) and system/hardware configurations.
I find it very elegant the way most ordinary user settings is done with the KDE control center and more serious things is done with the YaST.
If you used SuSEs Gnome, which I find a bit behind Ubuntus Gnome, you could easily be a bit dissapointed. I know I was.
This is only MY personal feeling !
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How easy is it to configure, so that you can boot up into a command shell like bash? I use Fedora because I can just set the runlevel to 3 in the inittab file. On Debian versions like Ubuntu this doesn't work since all the runlevels are GUI unless you specifically re-write one of them. Is SuSe similar to Fedora or Debian in this matter?
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Init 3 is just the same on SuSE.
hkommedal 6th Jun 2008
You can actually set the boot loader to give you 2 (or more) choices on the boot menu.
My printer-/file-server I have set up that way and with the one with " init 3 " set as default.
You wil NOT get lost there.
You can also use YaST from the command line, which gives very good overview of configuration.
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Thank you (NT)
alaniane@... 10th Jun 2008
nt
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Linux != a good desktop.
Duke E. Love 27th Jun 2008
Get the real thing: Solaris

Solaris is what Linux wants to be when it grows up.

And how long before SuSE pulls a RedHat and starts charging for updates?
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Disagree domewhat
Suicida| 29th Jun 2008
Myself I went with the most challenging distro I have found yet (gentoo).

While for the avearge user I wouldnt reccomend this, but if you are an IT proffessional and looking to learn how the different parts of Linux and *NIX apps work I would reccomend a distro like gentoo that you have to configure by hand.

I cant begin to explain how good it makes you look on a daily basis when you can configure an entire OS by hand without calling support. I also can hop from Slackware to Solaris to Redhat to Ubuntu without interuption.
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Deal with the Devil
shawn_dude 3rd Jun 2008
Novel sold its soul to Microsoft. It doesn't matter to me how technically better or prettier Suse is, if by using it I end up supporting Microsoft's legal attack on Linux and open source, I lose in the end.

I've been a happy Ubuntu user since 5.10 (Badger). I was a Suse user up until that point. Ubuntu is simple, elegant, and stable.
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Yup...
Tim Patterson 3rd Jun 2008
While I'm not really a fan of Ubuntu/GNOME I agree that only a fool would not see the danger presented by the Novell/MS deal.

As MS' Brian Goldfarb implied in a recent talkback here on ZDNet, MS does see Mono as infringing MS patents and only Novell users are 'protected'. That says quite enough.

No thanks Novell.
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Deal...
1djk1 3rd Jun 2008
I left Suse for 2 main reasons; the 'rpm' package format (and the associated dependency problems) and the problems installing restricted packages. I've been with a Debian based distro since Suse went to OpenSuse and haven't looked back. Novell's deal with the devil keeps me away! Right now I run KIWI Linux, and am totally happy.
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Suse is still too good to ignore
pccoder28@... 4th Jun 2008
Yes, if you want to get wrapped up in the M$ vs. open source battle, Novell has made a Faustian bargain. But, as a longtime Suse user, the technical merits of this distro are just too good to pass up on. Perhaps Novell's bargain with the devil might end up turning that devil back into an angel...after all, OpenSuse is still open source!
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I don't know what you're smokin', Dude - but c'mon, share! Don't bogart it, whatever it is...;)
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It is probably NOT Marlboro.
However, it seems that OpenSuSE still have a fair bit of its soul left.
OpenSuSE.org has a page with quite a few alternative repositories.
Packman (Europe, No software-patent zone) is one and VLC is there. All the codecs you need are available.
US citizens get a warning though. (Software-patent land !)
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RPM
balaknair 4th Jun 2008
I agree with you there
I've tried a variety of no-debian distros(Fedora, OpenSuse, Mandriva and PCLinuxOS) and I keep coming back to Ubuntu.
One of the major reasons is as you pointed out the inadequacies of the rpm format. Restricted packages and drivers are also so much easier to get working on Ubuntu.
Novell's deal with MS: I wouldn't call it a deal with the devil, but it does reduce Novell's trust level in my eyes(the company you keep...) since I hardly trust anything MS says these days. IMO they(MS) thoroughly deserve their image of a greedy ruthless unscrupulous dishonest impersonal corporation.
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Technical Merits vs. Emotion
pghammer21@... 14th Jun 2008
Ubuntu has an advantage primarily due to the fact that it is a great deal smaller than the openSuSE Stretch (comparing a DVD-based distribution to a CD-based distribution is Just Plain Wrong, in my opinion). Another advantage (for casual users) that Ubuntu has is probably the slickest installer going (even better, it's a Windows application): Wubi. What Wubi does is create a nested filesystem within the Windows partition to install Ubuntu in, *and* add an entry to the Windows boot loader (2000 through Vista), saving the casual user from the nastiness of GRUB (and the even uglier reality of partitioning). Wubi was tested with earlier distributions of Ubuntu, and is included with 8.04 (Hardy Heron), and is likely the slickest installer for a non-Windows OS (including that for OS X).

The emotional arguments (the criticism of Microsoft because they are a commercial operation) can just as easily be laid at most of the Linux distributors (especially RedHat), and then you dare to point out that Debian-based distributions are easier to integrate *restricted packages* (usually because of EULAs or copyright arrangements) than is typical for RPM-based distributions (however, openSuSE and Novell have largely obviated this with the openSuSE Build Service)? (Pot, meet kettle!)

An operating system is a tool, and thus deserves consideration (as much as possible) based on the technical merits of the operating system, especially compared to other operating systems for the same hardware, and without letting *politics* get involved. This is especially true with no-cost operating systems (not just Linux distributions, but the BSDs and even Solaris, the only no-cost true UNIX generally available), and even more so when you start bringing restricted packages into the mix. (Every no-cost operating system has restricted packages available for various reasons; however, the biggest reason is that the USERS WANT THEM.)

That said, as good as Ubuntu is (and it is quite good), surprisingly, openSuSE supports more of my hardware (not just out of the ISO and onto the hard drive, but even after the restricted packages are added). The big flaw in openSuSE is that it does not play nice with Windows (especially Vista), so I have the two on separate hard drives (however, I have a separate hard drive for openSuSE). For those reasons, I would rate the two a technical draw.
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Whenever something is missing OpenSuSEs home page will guide you to alternativ sources that do SuSEs RPM/YUM.
VLC is one of them and packman ( like it is with SuSE 10.2 : http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.2/ )
The main problem seems to be US "patent-lumbered" sites.
Most of the world does NOT WANT "software patents".
(The packman site is in Germany,Europe, where software patents are outlawed.)
By the way; SuSE now mainly uses YUM instead of just RPM.
It is very similar to RPM except YUM will find the dependencies for you AND install them, unless you cancel them.
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No Deal from Me
elderlybloke 4th Jun 2008
I with you on this Shawn.
I will not have anything to do will the "running dogs" of Microsoft.
It will be Ubuntu for me for as far forward as far as I can see.
The reviewer seems to love them. I may be paranoid but I wonder if there is a well stuffed envelope in the mail

Up with all genuine Linux.
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Get over it already
ShineOn 4th Jun 2008
First off, it's Novell - two L's. A novel is a long work of fiction. Maybe you've been reading too much fiction, and you're getting your facts confused with fantasy.

Novell didn't sell its soul - they blackmailed Microsoft into paying Novell tons of cash for the privilege of distributing Linux to Microsoft customers. If Microsoft is the Devil (point conceded) then Novell is Daniel Webster.

The fiction that Novell supports Microsoft's attack on open source is tinfoil hat territory. Novell is one of the biggest (next to IBM) corporate supporter of FOSS, using its large patent portfolio to defend FOSS against the likes of Microsoft.

If you want to use "anything but SuSE" it's up to you. It's your loss, not Novell's. You really should stop spreading the FUD though, especially the stuff that's patently, obviously knee-jerk emotion-based lies.
There are indications that Novels SuSE still have a fair bit of soul left; they DO have a mutual support between themselves and the OpenSuSE community.

And their EULA is NOTHING like ANY Microsoft EULA !
( Make as many copies as you like etc.)
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But that's the problem...
L8erG8er 11th Jun 2008
You just said it, that's the problem. It HAS a EULA.
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The Reality Of The EULA (openSuSE-style)
pghammer21@... 14th Jun 2008
openSuSE's EULA is quite concise (and is actually based on the GPL, surprisingly), and is mostly concerned with situations that don't apply to most users (even in the US). (The EULA covers mostly non-personal use of open-source software; those sections are actually required by the United States Code. Also, by including those sections, hardware including open-source software can be sold as part of contracts to the US national, state, and local governments; those sections can be found included in the BSDs and Solaris, also.) The portions that DO apply to the rest of us are a legalese version of a hold-harmless contract. (Given the nasty predeliction of certain people to whistle up a lawyer for any reason, that sort of agreement is darn smart of the openSuSE folks.)

I don't know of a single open-source operating system that doesn't have a EULA (not even the BSDs).
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RE: Deal with the Devil
rMatey 11th Jun 2008
Exactly my sentiments. Microsoft is not going to let you escape too easily.
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SuSe + Microsoft == 10 foot pole
MisterMiester Updated - 3rd Jun 2008
I wouldn't touch SuSe since they climbed into bed with the "Great Satan", end of discussion. What Ubuntu may lack, or not lack depending on your point of view, in polish it makes up in droves with community support and has stayed true to the original intentions as prescribed by its founder Mark Shuttleworth.

This is one of the reasons that Ubuntu has enjoyed its meteoric rise to fill the position as the number one distro on distrowatch.com since 2005. People are tired of large corporations dictating draconian terms with their software and changing the rules at the "whim of the leader". happy
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ZZZZZZZZZZZ...nt
ItsTheBottomLine 4th Jun 2008
nt
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exactly
starcannon99022@... 4th Jun 2008
well said
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I think you will find that Novell/SuSE is not quite in bed with MS and OpenSuSE even less.
Anyway; Microsofts bed is already humming and crawling with MPAA, RIAA, and the the rest of the DRM "light brigade".
There is hardly any room for anyone else.
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OSS + Joomla == 10 foot pole
Duke E. Love 28th Jun 2008
>>People are tired of *Open Source projects* dictating draconian terms with their software and changing the rules at the "whim of the *leaders*"

There... I fixed that for you.


Kinda like how the Joomla Team changed the rules and tried to get all the makers of commercial third party plugins to GPL their work and effectively put them out of business?

http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog/The-GPL-license-debate-at-Joomla-still-going-after-45-days.html
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I'm looking forward to this one
NonZealot 3rd Jun 2008
I've been running SuSE for over a year now and my one and only complaint about it is the performance of the package manager. I'm very excited to learn that this has improved in 11. Can't wait to give it a go! happy
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Don't hold your breath.
Tim Patterson 3rd Jun 2008
If performance is your thing then SuSE isn't the best choice.
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Now you are talking rubbish
lhaig Updated - 5th Jun 2008
To check your statements I just downloaded and install 11 rc1. The packagemnagement is "much" faster. Stop spreading FUD
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Re; Don't hold your breath.
hkommedal 6th Jun 2008
You have not tried it yet, it seems.
Give it a go; You will hardly have any time to hold your breath.
I just installed it and so far it is VERY impressive regarding installation of extra programs. It FLIES !
One thing though: It comes with Firefox 3 in Beta 5 and not in RC1.
Firefox and Konqueror loads in less than 1.5 seconds !
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I can say this: The speed difference between 10.3 and 11.0 regarding the package-manager is like night and day.
After adding repositories Packman and a few, (also VERY quick), I just now picked and downloaded VLC, Mplayer, w32-codecs and a few more things to get DVD playing easy.
That went a lot quicker than ever before !
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Not so fast
Tim Patterson 3rd Jun 2008
If SuSE is the Mercedes Benz of distros (hardly) then Debian is the Rolls Royce and Ferrari combined of distros. As a long time user of SuSE I can attest to the fact that they seem to want to create a distro that is as bloated and slow as Windows.

Thanks to Novell selling their soul on Nov. 2, 2006 I started to realize the superiority of Debian on Nov. 3. Debian is faster, far more stable, easier to administer and configure and has repositories that are second to none. Let's not forget the best package manager APT. Other distros either use APT directly or do their best to copy it.

I can also do without the trojan horse that is Mono which is becoming more and more insidious in SuSE/GNOME as pushed on users by Novell.

KDE 4 is not yet feature complete and is not yet ready to replace KDE 3.x. Although it is nice to see the great things to come from the great potential of KDE 4, Fedora made a mistake shipping KDE 4 exclusively in Fedora 9.
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Re: Not So fast
super_J 3rd Jun 2008
I'm a Debian fan myself. But I've become anomored with the latest from Mandriva as of late.

Mandriva had some quality missteps in their 2005 and 2006 releases, then showed improvement in 2007, and now the latest 2008 shows Mandriva as being back to their "A" game.

Mandriva is gorgeous, fast, easy, has a great installer, has GUI config tools that are second to none, it has great HD detection, urpmi is every bit as good as Debian's apt, RPMDrake is every bit as good as Synaptic, and it's very stable.

I generally prefer Debian based distros, but Mandriva has caused me to rethink RPM based distros. I won't touch Fedora (it's Alpha quality), or Suse (the MS patent deal, and it's bloated), and I like PCLinuxOS (but it's not as complete as Mandriva). But Mandriva 2008 Spring is really really good.

Give it a try.
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Tim Patterson 3rd Jun 2008
I really like Mandriva.

My son uses it on his box and he loves it.
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I agree about Mandriva
OSfan 3rd Jun 2008
I agree that Mandriva is gorgeous and fast. All in all, most of the distros I seen are getting better and better.
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balaknair 4th Jun 2008
"But Mandriva 2008 Spring is really really good."

And yes, I have to agree that the Mandriva Control Centre GUI is pretty neat and the Drak tools and hardware recognition are very very good. But it still remains my second favourite OS(tied with PCLinuxOS). I just found Ubuntu easier to set up, troubleshoot and configure(partly because I'm more familiar with it, been using it an year now, but also I think apt and .deb are just more "complete" than urpmi and .rpm)) and I still have a devil of a time getting restricted drivers and compositing to work with my nVidia card. It is a really good distro though.
(I also prefer the Ubuntu philosophy and the community).
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YAST has its good points, though not as many as it's promoters want you to beleive.

Anyway, URPMI accessed through MCC or Install/Remove Software is a rocket ship compared to YAST or anything else I've used. (Not even going to talk about Fedora!)

ttfn

John
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Slow?
pccoder28@... 4th Jun 2008
Huh? My Suse distros have never been slow: I get better performance from Suse 10.2 on a six-year-old P4 with 512 MB RAM than I get with Vista "Premium" SP1 on a 2GB RAM new dual core HP box with Ready Boost and a PATA HD. Really, the old box beats Vista hands down!
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balaknair 4th Jun 2008
but I think he meant Suse was slow compared to other Linux distros.
And anyway, practically anything is faster than Vista.
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