Opinions cross the spectrum over Microsoft's RSS support

Opinions cross the spectrum over Microsoft's RSS support

Summary: Updated 9:40 AM 6/30/05.Updated with video clip 10:50 AM 6/29/05: In the days after Microsoft announced upcoming support for RSS at Gnomedex, bloggers/journalists/analysts spared no angle in dissecting and opining on what the new Microsoft format means to the world.

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Updated 9:40 AM 6/30/05.

Updated with video clip 10:50 AM 6/29/05: In the days after Microsoft announced upcoming support for RSS at Gnomedex, bloggers/journalists/analysts spared no angle in dissecting and opining on what the new Microsoft format means to the world.  For reference, here's a video clip from Gnomedex 2005 in Seattle, with Dean Hachamovitch and Amar Gandhi of Microsoft's Longhorn Browser and RSS Technology Group giving conference attendees a preview of how RSS will work in Microsoft's long awaited OS upgrade.

If you’re looking to catch up on what people are saying about Microsoft's foray into RSS, the following list is a good place to begin. The list starts with the more enthusiastic commentators:
    
Dave Winer: Quick postscript on the Microsoft announcement
I just spoke with Amar Gandhi and Sean Lyndersay of Microsoft at Gnomedex. They'll revise their spec in response to concerns reported by Phil Ringnalda. This turns yesterday's home run into a grand slam.

David Coursey: RSS: It's Not Just for Bloggers Anymore
While this announcement doesn't compare to the day a decade ago when Bill Gates stood up and committed Microsoft to making the Internet both accessible and useful, this is still a very good day.
 
Stephen O’Grady:
MICROSOFT AND THE....CREATIVE COMMONS?
Some rights reserved, indeed. Kudos to Microsoft on a solid move.
 
Michael Gartenberg:
First Complaints over the Microsoft/RSS announcement are off base IMHO
This is a win for MSFT, Longhorn, developers and customers.

David Berlind: Redmond RSS: Death knell to Atom? Birth of an 'open' era for Microsoft?
I'll stick to my conclusions about how RSS can be extended to deal with scenarios that it's not currently supporting as evidence that RSS has plenty of undiscovered potential left in it.

Updated: Steve Gillmor: Remix This
Going RSS puts Yahoo back in the pack again, certainly behind Microsoft and likely behind IAC. And the bow to Winer and RSS 2.0's market force brings them closer to alignment with Apple around enclosures and creates an "everybody but Google" mulch for standards.

Phil Ringnalda: MS embraces RSS
Platform services: this makes life very good for people writing Windows-only, Longhorn-only aggregators, and having those people exist makes life good for Microsoft.

NowPublic: Lessig Endorses The Deathstar (Video)

Tristan Louis:
Microsoft Loves RSS
So Microsoft gets an A for embracing RSS, another A for using namespaces (instead of creating a new version of RSS) and releasing their extension under a Creative Commons license, but gets an F for poor research in terms of introducing a new format.

Nick Finck: Microsoft to take RSS five steps backwards
They want to be able to do e-commerce via RSS. Yes, you read that correctly. The last thing we need now is yet another fork in the RSS spec.

Raving lunacy: Microsoft and RSS
Anytime Microsoft says "enhancement", it means more crap to work around or fix.

 

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  • Why The Fuss?

    Let's see, Longhorn is two years off and this will be included. That's
    so far in the future to be almost irrelevant. I predict there will be all
    kinds of new innovations in everything, including RSS, that
    Microsoft will be behind the power curve again. And all those that
    are dancin in the streets now will look back and wonder why.
    :-)
    PXLated
  • The usual suspects

    I'm guessing that those who have been approving of (or at least neutral toward) Microsoft's RSS plans are those who have tended to be open-minded where Microsoft is concerned, while those who are predicting the end of RSS (or at least questioning Microsoft's motives) are those who will always look with suspicion on anything Microsoft does. This happens every time Microsoft does anything.

    Carl Rapson
    rapson
    • Given Microsoft's history, arrogant attitude and MO...

      >>> ... are those who will always look with suspicion on anything Microsoft does. This happens every time Microsoft does anything. >>>

      can you blame many people? MS has not gained the "EEE" (embrace, extend, extinguish) reputation for nothing. Plus the anti-trust trial revelations, almost weekly lawsuits, etc...

      It seems the only ones who trust MS explicitly are those with a vested interest in MS doing well. (shown by their unquestioning support, no matter what MS has done or is doing.)

      "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 278 times, shame on me."

      or

      "Once burned, 329 times shy." :-)

      Yes, "the usual suspects"... Microsoft
      MacCanuck
      • Explain yourself

        Explain exactly how *YOU* were burned. I mean did someone hold a gun to your head and force you to use MS products? Were you not capable of reading the EULA? Did MS storm troopers rape, pilage, and burn your home/family?

        Tell me exactly what MS did to *YOU* personally.
        No_Ax_to_Grind
        • Yow! I must have struck a nerve

          there No_Axe. Talk of hyperbole and over reaction!

          >>> Explain exactly how *YOU* were burned. I mean did someone hold a gun to your head and force you to use MS products? Were you not capable of reading the EULA? Did MS storm troopers rape, pilage, and burn your home/family?

          Tell me exactly what MS did to *YOU* personally. >>>

          Why must MS have done anything to me personally for me to observe and object to it's mean's of doing (in others') business?

          I've had nothing to do with Enron either but that doesn't mean I can't despise and object to it's MO and all that it's sleazy, corrupt execs stand for and have done.

          All one has had to do is to have read the computer and technology news over the last dozen or so years, followed the various MS-related trials (they're hard to miss, being so regular and all) and read the varied books on the industry, MS and Bill Gates in particular.

          Even though I make a conscience, knowledgeable and discerning choice not to use MS, I'm often forced to use it's software to "play nice with others" (ie, Office/Word) or access certain technology/services (ie, IExplorer-on-Windows-only sites (the idiots)). So yes, in a way, I have had a gun held to my head... do it the MS way or don't do some work/business. I also suffer the backwash of MS problems (ie, Internet attacks which are usually MS technology-based... Windows, Outlook, Hotmail, etc)... all due to it's monopolistic, unethical, power-hungry way of doing business and it's obsession to control all aspects of the "computing" world.

          Competition is a good thing for consumers, or do you disagree with that concept where it pertains to MS?

          I'm always amazed you can (rightfully IMO) trash and criticize thievery in one breath (music & software piracy) yet, in another, (wrongfully IMO) continually support probably the biggest IP thief in computer history in an ethically-challenged and "convicted" Microsoft.

          Since it's no doubt impossible to keep a straight face while taking the above stand, I guess it's a good thing we can't see your face :-)

          "Microsoft, the marketing and acquisition company...
          You make, we take it!
          You do it, we screw it!
          Partner today... victim tomorrow."
          MacCanuck
          • So your answer is, you were never "burned", you read about it...

            I see. I guess that means your entire first post was meaningless...

            Oh by the way, you really need to work on your insults, they lack any real flavor and if you want to be good at it your going to have to practice.
            No_Ax_to_Grind
          • Boy that was quick...

            off the meds are you???

            You must have been hovering over the keyboard to make such a speedy, empty and worthless response. (I barely had a chance to reload my browser)

            >>> So your answer is you were never "burned" you read about it. I see. I guess that means your entire first post was meaningless... >>>

            No, it apparently means you can't read; are deliberately ignoring what I said (because you have no legitimate response or defense?); and/or are just looking for a fight.

            I pointed out how I'm affected though I choose not to use MS, pity you won't/can't read it, accept it, comprehend it or give an intelligent/on-topic response to it.

            >>> Oh by the way, you really need to work on your insults, they lack any real flavor and if you want to be good at it your going to have to practice. >>>

            What? Practice? Like you???

            Show me the insult, other than observing you're being two-faced with your selective stand on thievery.

            Question... how do (can) you reconcile your position re "thievery"? Shoot the music/software pirates, praise and glorify the IP pirates (MS)?

            Prove me wrong or defend your position, otherwise it's not an insult, it's an observation and fact.

            Or, continue to ignore the topic and content, insult away and ramble on....

            (start the timer... 1 sec, 2 sec, 3 sec,...)
            MacCanuck
          • Ok, lets get to it then...

            You said: (And I do quote)

            ---""Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 278 times, shame on me."

            or

            "Once burned, 329 times shy."

            I asked you to tell me how *YOU* were burned, you couldn't do it, instead you went in to some sort of rant that others were, or at least you heard rumors they were or something like that.

            Next you tried to say they because YOU made the CHOICE to be compatible with others you were being forced. (Sounds like an alcoholic saying he is forced to drink because others do it.)

            Then you go off on a tirade that I don't slam MS ver IP. I guess you haven't paid any attention to my posts becasue I indeed have done that very thig and said REPEATEDLY that if MS does it they are no better than anyone else and deserve whatever the courts hand out.

            And finally, please don't whine that I read faster and type faster than you....
            No_Ax_to_Grind
          • Forgot the other question...

            you conveniently ignored.

            Do you believe in competition and it being in the best interest of the consumer (vs no competition = lack of... choice/innovation/lower price/etc)?

            Continue to change the subject or ignore away :-)
            MacCanuck
          • Back from a long holiday weekend...

            only to find you suddenly very literal and touchy...

            "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 278 times, shame on
            me."
            "Once burned, 329 times shy."

            I was making a ?user-wide? point and using a play on a well-
            known expression/saying. I really thought you were smarter and
            more talented at debating than that.

            >>> I asked you to tell me how *YOU* were burned, you
            couldn't do it, instead you went in to some sort of rant that
            others were, or at least you heard rumors they were or
            something like that. >>>

            see above re ?generic? population as a whole being burned and
            you replied with some asinine comment about ?you were never
            "burned", you read about it...?

            I?ve read about WW I & II, the Great Depression, the San
            Francisco Earthquake, The Holocaust, etc and just because I
            haven?t lived thru it and ONLY READ ABOUT IT, doesn?t mean it
            didn?t necessarily happen and I shouldn?t believe it or comment
            on it.

            >>> Next you tried to say they because YOU made the CHOICE
            to be compatible with others you were being forced. (Sounds like
            an alcoholic saying he is forced to drink because others do it.)
            >>>

            No, it?s called being realistic. You should try it sometime.

            Just as OEMs had to cave to MS?s heavy-handed, unethical
            business demands in order to survive, I and countless others
            have to cave to MS?s overbearing domination in order to work or
            live day-to-day, even if we make a conscious effort and decision
            to avoid ethically and quality-challenged Microsoft technology
            whenever possible, unlike others who have chosen to burden the
            rest of humanity with MS.

            >>> Then you go off on a tirade that I don't slam MS ver IP. I
            guess you haven't paid any attention to my posts becasue I
            indeed have done that very thig and said REPEATEDLY that if MS
            does it they are no better than anyone else and deserve
            whatever the courts hand out. >>>

            I have read some of your slams against MS (1 slam per 100 pro
            posts?) but never recall an IP related critique. If anything, IIRC,
            you have been one (of the many MS supporters) who claim,
            because MS has bought it?s way out of many a lawsuit, not
            admitting guilt thus not officially being ?convicted, MS is not
            really guilty of anything. (playing word games to the max)

            >>> And finally, please don't whine that I read faster and type
            faster than you.... >>>

            Who?s whining? You of all people should know the difference
            between an observation and a whine.

            Faster typist probably but as per ?faster reader?? from your
            responses, it?s doubtful you can read at all.
            MacCanuck
  • FUDware with added vapour

    Run to the hills! Microsoft are casting their EEE sites on RSS! More of the usual FUD. And vapour.

    Interesting that after ZDnets headline piece on Microsoft's so called "Avalanche" product - this is where Microsoft turn their EEE eyes on File Sharing a la Bit Torrent - there has been no follow up whatsoever to report that there actually is no such product as Avalanche at all. The inventor of BiTorrent had quite a bit to say about this oft repeated Microsoft ploy of announcing a non-existent product is about to move into a domain they've once again been left behind in -

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/23/bittorrent_inventor_lays_into_microsoft_avalanche/

    The Register, an online Tech News site (as opposed to online Microsoft and partner advertising, like ZDnet, commented -

    "Certainly, anyone who was at the presentation last week of the Avalanche concept would have come away thinking it was a here-now, working-in-the-lab product. (We certainly did.) The truth, it turns out, is that Avalanche is study of strategies and principles of how a file-swarming system could be made to work well".

    So Microsoft are to enhance RSS? Hmmm. Microsoft are the masters of FUD, vapourware, smoke, mirrors, the disemination of malware via inherently insecure code, and marketing.
    whisperycat
    • You are right, it will never happen... And neither willXBox360

      Or Office 12, or Acrylic, or .net, or anything ever again.


      Uh huh... Dude, get over yourself...
      No_Ax_to_Grind
      • Does MS pay you by the post Don?

        How about WinFS or Network Access Protection and integrated
        Digital Rights Management Services? Betcha my FUD and and
        vaporware list is as long as anything you can dream up.
        bgoss
        • No, but unlike others I don't deny what is in front of me.

          How about you?
          No_Ax_to_Grind
          • Explain yourself, No Ax

            Your posting methodology is so close to Microsoft's ongoing PR MO that they could almost be one and the same. You are responsible for thousand upon thousand of pro-Microsoft posts ... when a glaring Microsoft drop off is the subject of a discussion, you stonewall and deny, deny, deny. You misdirect. You insult the messengers, wherever those messengers have a point to make for which no glib Microsoft soundbyte is suitable. I merely noted that Microsoft have a long, LONG history of blatantly untrue "forthcoming product" announcements. Especially (as happens so often) when Microsoft completely fail to see a developing market until competitors have already done all the ground-breaking. As with RSS. As with the entire Internet and browsers. As with downloadable music. I didn't actually say there was no Microsoft hobbled, bastardised, proprietary Micosoft RSS clone, I said Microsoft have an ongooing policy of flooding the marketplace with FUD (Fear/uncertainty/ Doubt that the convicted monopolists are moving into a new domain) and deceitful, untrue announcements of products they haven't actually got (Avalanche, iDRM, Longhorne, WinFS (vapourware for over 10 years now), etc etc.

            Get over your employers, dude, they're only a company!
            whisperycat
  • M$ waaaayyyyy behind times!

    Next they're gonna screw-up RSS!
    An_Axe_to_Grind