O'Reilly: Time to think differently about open source

O'Reilly: Time to think differently about open source

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  • Linux becoming Windows?

    First you complain about Linux NOT haveing applications. Then you complain those applications don't fit a desktop. Now you complain that Linux is becoming Windows. Where does it end?

    I choose, you know what coice is don't you? I choose what to compile into my kernel and install only what I need.

    Nothing else.

    So if I have a workstation, with what I only fetch my mail and do some surfing on web, I only install what's needed for that. Try to the same with that crap from Redmond!

    To use a standard kernel for every task is not the style of Linux-users. We don't give the slightest chanse for a cracker to use what ever vulnerabilities they might find out. Windows is just the opposit to Linux.

    Linux is all about choice. We don't have invent the wheel over and over again. We use code what somebody has already invented. Maybe we try to make it better or smarter, but we are NOT clueless. Of course there are numerous Linux distrbutions all made for a specific use. Mine is only mine and made for my needs, not some profiteer from Redmond. Linux is made for users, by users, for the sake of enbetterment of our computing.

    So dream on, Linux is NOT becoming Windows!

    Lindsey
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    linseyrockwell
    • Actually...

      To be honest with you, I have no idea what "coice" is.

      Moving on along, it should be simple to see what is happening to linux. Yes, ZDnet has complained that there were no apps for linux - because back then there weren't. Then ZDnet complained about the apps being available as the WRONG apps - because they were.

      What is happening to linux is as it moves into the mainstream, more and more END-USERS are dictating what comes with the kernal and other parts of the OS.

      You want Linux on the desktop? Fine. You will do what the END-USERS tell you to do and include what they tell you to include.

      Microsoft learned this ages ago and that's why Microsoft is, and forever will, be number one.

      -end of line
      JamesNT
      • RE:Is Linux becoming Windows?

        "What is happening to linux is as it moves into the mainstream, more and more END-USERS are dictating what comes with the kernal and other parts of the OS".

        Thats right, but unlike the crap from Redmond, Linux is developed by the users, for the users. Not by some idiot marketeers and politically correct corporate suits! proponets like your self! Judging by your answers, you are pretty desperate now as most of Micro Softheads are. All due to the fact that Linux is gaining ground all the time and soon enough you just have to learn a professional way of computing like everybody else.

        Microsoft knows that too and that's why they act so badly. Linux and the rest of OSS community is not a company. It cannot go bankrupt. It does not disappear one day or say:"now we are going to discontinue this and that, sorry! ;-)

        Linux is not a company and cannot be beaten with traditional kompetition. Thats why Microsoft tries to make the legislators to bann OSS with their lyes, false statistics and their "facts" :-) Quite stupid really. Any thinking person can see that if they really want to see the facts in the matter. You don't need to be Einstein to do that.

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        "First they ignore you,
        then they laugh at you,
        then they fight you,
        then you win."

        -- Gandhi
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        linseyrockwell
        • You people are insane

          I suppose every time you need to drive your car you recompile your engine too. Maybe take the air conditioner out when its cold, or put a smaller gas tank in when you're just going to the store. Take the rear speakers out if no one will be riding in the back. It's great that you know how to recompile the kernel, most people just want to know what time it is, not how to build a watch.
          compsrt
          • you my friend are an idiot

            First off.. there is no need to fully recompile your kernel if you are adding in a module. All you do is make sure its added and run 2 commands.. learn about linux before you bash it.. thank you.. you are also a moron.

            Oh if you use MS as a car i'd guess you'd crash pulling out of your driveway
            jy_z
        • Awright, now now

          (a) crap from redmond. Sorry you don't read magazines (maybe not far enough in the "hooked on phonics" yet) but MS has created some of the most feature-rich and ***all-time award winningest*** (if that's even a word) software in the history of computers (other than maybe Pacman). Even with all the wonderful other office suites out there, in LINUX magazines, they still compare whatever package with MS Office. 1 for MS, 0 for you.

          (2) Linux is gaining ground. Yup it sure is. Just not on desktops. I think we're talking about desktops here. Every market other than servers, Linux has failed or is failing. It's not adapt enough, it lags behind hardware, it's a pain to use, and when you finally have it working, you either get to run 3 year old software or redo everything again with the next new version that arrived yesterday.

          (3) Linux is not a company. I thought they rather were, and if you spoke with Linus T., he would probably try to get you to hook him up with some more funding.

          (4) Gandhi, no matter how wonderful a movie they made about him, no matter how many peace prizes they gave him, no matter how sacred a cow they think he is, ULTIMATELY was a failure. He had one goal in mind: A united India. As soon as he died it was over. He failed. Sucks, I know, but that is a REAL VERIFIABLE fact, not that stuff you keep referring to that one can find ONLY in linux communities. Look at the map, see that brown splotch next to India? That's Pakistan. Now you know.

          Let the fat lady commence with her song.
          rock06r
          • Let's just call bs what it is...

            We'll forget for the moment that your talking points went from a to 2 and point out the stupidity of each...

            (a) As anyone with any kind of intelligence can tell you, just because you're on top doesn't mean you're the best. Example...Wal Mart.

            (2) Linux continues to gain ground in the server market. In countries other than the US, it's gaining ground in the desktop market. It is also gaining ground in leaps and bounds in the embedded market. Even in the US...

            (3) I thought they rather were? Maybe you should brush up on the English language in general, and grammer in particular. There are several distributions that are distributed by businesses, but the kernel itself is not.

            (4) Gandhi may have failed at uniting India, but he'll still be remembered in a thousand years. I've already forgotten you...
            jasonp@...
          • (4) In regards of allmighty Gandhi

            You are wrong or biased. No, you're both. Gandhi's main task was to kick Brithish asses out of the continent and that, my friend, is exactly what he accomplished. All the Gandhis of the world (ie. Luther King) should prevail against colonialism exploitation by way of pacifism.
            mactolinux
    • Please don't take offense...

      One of my jobs here on the blog is to stimulate discussion. What I most like to see are your notes addressed to others. I learn from them.

      I do appreciate your response, very much. I have no dream of Linux becoming Windows, however.
      DanaBlankenhorn
    • Lindows?

      Remember that one, don't you? It was like this: They tried to have Linux look, sound, feel, smell, ... and sell... like WINDOWS. Heck, even the name was a spin on windows. Linux, since day 1, has been nothing more than UNIX trying to be GUI. GUI like Windows. All those "remarkable" features that everyone keeps touting, well they've either been around for 20 years in Unix or they're in Windows and Mac. Linux does nothing to differentiate itself other than say nonsense like what you were saying:

      "Linux is made for users, by users, for the sake of enbetterment of our computing."

      It's made by programmers for other programmers and system Admins. I don't know any users in my ENTIRE circle of friends (and they ALL use computers), that have written even ONE line of code of any kind. Or compiled a single command. Or used Linux.

      Keep splitting linux into your distros. We're at about 20 or 30 now, right? Give it a couple more years when there's like 50 or 60. See if anyone will bother to support it then (IBM??).
      rock06r
      • Fragmentation

        ---Keep splitting linux into your distros. We're at about 20 or 30 now, right? Give it a couple more years when there's like 50 or 60. See if anyone will bother to support it then---

        Yes, you'd have to be really stupid to release like, 7 different versions of your OS. Who would ever be able to support that: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,39020396,39184544,00.htm
        tic swayback
        • Linspire is based on Debian

          Debian seems to be becoming the mother of all.
          At one stage, the easiest way to get a really functional desktop was with Mandrake, but now it's load Knoppix into your CD, boot off it, then run the install to install to your hard disk. {and it's **** fast}.
          Knoppix is mostly Debian.
          So it seems like there is a mother ship.
          RH/SUSE/Mandrake are still chugging along though.

          What difference do you thnk it makes anyway? It's just like Branded Internet Explorer.
          They all run the same software.
          hipparchus2000
  • Answer: No

    First of all, it really piques me that you just throw in troll language like "some people are starting to think so". Gee, can you say "Straw Man" ?

    If you don't understand why the Linux kernel is fundamentally more stable than Windows then you don't understand the Linux kernel. Because of this Linux will never be Windows.

    The design of Windows that the unstability of Windows is exponentially proportional to the number of applications. With Linux, the number of applications is irrelevent to stability.
    jabailo
    • Well, I did link to some of the people..

      But in a way you're right. I was very much looking for more feedback, and deliberately chose a topic today I hoped would generate some.
      DanaBlankenhorn
    • Oy!

      [i]"First of all, it really piques me that you just throw in troll language like "some people are starting to think so". Gee, can you say "Straw Man" ?"[/i]

      Sorry to break it to you, but many people [b]do[/b] think this. They're called *BSD users.

      [i]"If you don't understand why the Linux kernel is fundamentally more stable than Windows then you don't understand the Linux kernel. Because of this Linux will never be Windows."[/i]

      Do you even understand it? You havn't said anything to lead me to believe you do.

      [i]"The design of Windows that the unstability of Windows is exponentially proportional to the number of applications.[/i]

      What the hell that does that mean?

      [i]With Linux, the number of applications is irrelevent to stability."[/i]

      Sure, as long as your not doing [utl=http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia]this[/url].
      toadlife
      • Let me help you here

        toadlife... [url=http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia]this[/url].

        There ya go! Correction performed by Linux User 147560 on a SuSE 9.2 Pro AMD powered box using Konqueror! Have a nice day!!! :)
        Linux User 147560
        • Thanks..btw did you know...

          ...that my FreeBSD box kinda 'runs' Suse 9.2 ;)

          FreeBSD uses a Kernel mode Linux compatibiluity layer which uses binary Linux libraries to support just about any Linux program there is.

          I'm currently running Suse 9.2 Linux libraries for my Linux libraries on FreeBSD. There are a few others in the ports collection - Redhat 7,8 and 9/Debian/etc. The Suse 9.x and Redhat 8/9 libraries seem to work the best.

          Also, Konqueror makes a great filesystem explorer, but a poor web browser IMO. I stick with Firefox accross platforms. Couple Firefox with it's bookmark sync. extention and it makes for cross-platform browser heaven.
          toadlife
  • Linux/Windows

    Hopefully, Linux will not be like windows. I have been enjoying my linux machine simply because it works.

    I support my clients who use windows and from time to time I resort to using a windows PC like I am at this moment, but next to me is my trusty Linux doing all kinds of things such as downloading all my messages, compiling the new stuff into the kernel. Best of all it doesn't crash.

    New stuff for the kernel is okay ... you can trim out the fat if you don't like it.
    rmoliva@...
  • No, if you recompile Linux kernel

    One of many mistakenly safe assumption from
    regular users (e.g. non geek) is GNU/Linux
    kernel is similar to MS Windows in term that you
    can not do anything about it, just accept
    everything that "smarter guys" gave. So at most
    times, people and enterprises just use Linux
    kernel shipped with distributions.

    It does not work for me. Even the most
    feature-loaded Intel x86 machine I have used
    only employe less than 1,5 MB of kernel in size.
    Compactness I achieve, I stripped Linux kernel
    up to the bone, using kernel modules at best.
    And I already use Linux kernel 2.6 version since
    2.6.0 (comes from Testing directory in Slackware
    9.1 distro CD).
    nggakada
  • morons

    of course the linux kernel should continue to grow and expand. Speed does decrease as you grow the source size. The end user still has a choice on what he wants in the end.

    Also most bigger distro's that package the kernel compile almost everything possible as a kernel module. So you aren't loading a 8meg kernel into memory.

    If the kernel does not continue to support new devices, linux will die.. the reason linux is so popular is because anyone has a chance to change things.. insert things here and there. Hey if they don't accept your patch for a year post a patch file on your website to get the device going in the current kernel.

    My current kernel does everything from usb/wifi oh.. did i mention it still fits on a floppy. I'd like to see the MS kernel do that.

    so don't be a narrow minded moron and learn the facts before you spit FUD out all over the web
    jy_z