Out of '05 and into '06, Eclipse is on a major roll

Out of '05 and into '06, Eclipse is on a major roll

Summary: Lattix is apparently the first software company to commit to the Eclipse integrated development environment in 2006.  Since writing about how momentum is making all the difference for Eclipse, especially since '05's JavaOne event, the number of companies that have joined the Eclipse camp is has been mind boggling.

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Lattix is apparently the first software company to commit to the Eclipse integrated development environment in 2006.  Since writing about how momentum is making all the difference for Eclipse, especially since '05's JavaOne event, the number of companies that have joined the Eclipse camp is has been mind boggling. Sys-Con Belgium has a pretty good Eclipse news desk with an RSS feed to keep track of the foundation's momentum.  Is it time for NetBeans to finally throw in the towel?

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  • Developer Experience Trumps Corporate Memberships

    Unfortunately, collecting a membership list with conflicting
    interests doesn't make it easy to build a great developer
    experience into Eclipse.

    At least three major Eclipse projects are way behind their
    competitors - the Web Tools Project and the Visual Editor Project
    as well as having very little to show in the mobile development
    area. These projects would allow Eclipse to begin to be
    competitive with regards to developing enterprise apps, rich
    client applications and mobile applications. Other areas such as
    having a competitive profiler and developer collaboration tools
    are also behind.

    NetBeans has been dramatically growing its developer base. In
    the past year it has tripled its user base and the growth
    continues. Why ? It comes down to developers being able to get
    things done quickly and effectively. NetBeans has an assortment
    of areas where they are innovating and are way in front of
    Eclipse. For example, in building enterprise applications -
    developers note that NetBeans comes out-of-the-box with the
    wealth of technologies needed to build enteprise apps, web
    services, web applications and of course database-based
    applications. Eclipse remains considerably behind in this area.
    WTP as it was just released has a long way to go. In other areas
    as well, NetBeans is leading considerably in : developer
    collaboration (code-aware IM and collaboration tools built-in to
    the IDE), visual mobile development (apps developed for mobile
    phones), rich client application development (extremely powerful
    UI builder called Matisse), profiling of applications (NetBeans
    includes one of the best profilers for finding software
    bottlenecks) and a number of other areas.

    You can learn more about some of the new features in NetBeans
    from this expert presentation (flash) :

    Eclipse has yet to catch up to the most recently introduced
    innvoations from NetBeans - and NetBeans is now ready for
    round two of delivering new technologies. There are many
    developers that are moving to NetBeans from Eclipse or instead
    of Eclipse : http://www.netbeans.org/switch/realstories.html
    You can find these migrations routinely in blogs such as this :

    Finally, both Eclipse and NetBeans are open source and both
    have rich client platform and IDE aspects. Both will compete
    with each other for a long time to come - as well as other IDEs
    such as IntelliJ IDEA. This is good for the developer community
    - as competition is leading to increasingly more powerful
    features being put into these development platforms. The
    winner as long as there are multiple IDEs competing is the

    There is no conceivable reason for anyone to think that
    NetBeans will "throw in the towel" especially while NetBeans is
    growing, having fun, achieving dramatic successes and leading
    in innovating in this space and best of all it is being encouraged
    by the developer community from which many are adopting it..

    I blog about NetBeans all the time at http://cld.blog-city.com
    I also have a slightly dated JavaONE presentation you can look at
    on this topic :

    • Astroturf

      Note that Charles Ditzel is employed by Sun to spread astroturf attacking Eclipse and promoting NetBeans. He's been doing the same routine for a year or more, and adding to the made-up stories on their "switch" campaign.
      • nonsense

        Astroturfing is the act of pretending to be an ordinary poster, while secretly promoting a corporate agenda and trashing competitors - MS has tons of paid astroturfers, for example.
        Charles Ditzel did not hide his Sun affiliation whatsoever.

        Also, he did not trash Eclipse. He rightfully pointed out NetBeans increase in usage, the true Eclipse to NetBeans migrations, and NetBeans' truely superior features, and vastly superior ease of use.

        My own experience (and I come more from the MS side of things professionaly, and more from the Linux/FOSS side of things in my spare time), I've been more and more using Java. In that activity, I've wanted to use a powerful IDE. So naturally I wanted to try to use the two top open source IDEs, Eclipse and NetBeans. If I had any bias going in it was in favor of Eclipse, due to all of it's hype and popularity and many products being Eclipse based.

        But when it came to using the two IDEs, NetBeans blew Eclipse out of the water. In fact with Eclipse, if I did anything other than basic Java, it was an absolute living hell nightmare. That's not an intended flame. I tried really really hard to use Eclipse for Web/J2EE (and even GUI editor) development, and spent hours following various tutorials to a T, and doing all the required downloads, and in every case nothing worked. It was so horrifically frustrating.

        Contrast that with NetBeans. It not only did every type of Java development (basic Java, GUI point-n-click with Matisse, Web, J2EE, EJB, Web Services, J2ME), it did it all very very well and with the greatest of ease. Every tutorial worked as shown, and the IDE made me productive.
      • Regarding : Mark's ad hominem attack

        (Re Mark Hughes)
        If you bothered to check my blog (which I referenced) and
        bothered to check the presentation (which I referenced) both
        indicate I work for Sun. This has never been a secret. I work in
        the Partner group of Sun NOT engineering or NetBeans or any
        product group for that matter.

        Now you may not like that many developers have switched to
        NetBeans but they are real people - not made up. In my earlier
        entry I referenced a teacher that has switched his students to
        NetBeans again not made up. Go look at it again and you will
        see his reasoning.

        Instead of doing ad hominem attacks you should work on
        addressing the weaknesses in Eclipse (like slow SWT/GTK
        interaction, broken SWT/AWT/Swing bridge on MacOS, Unbuntu
        support, etc - all which you can find as open bugs in
        eclipse.org). My central points - Eclipse WTP is behind NetBeans
        and NetBeans Matisse is way ahead of Eclipse VEP - these are
        things that Eclipse developers themselves are saying. My other
        main point is that NetBeans it continues to grow its user base
        dramatically. The point of the forum was asking the rhetorical
        question " should NetBeans throw in the towel" . The answer is