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Pastor to married church leaders: Thou shall not Facebook

By | November 17, 2010, 11:27am PST

Summary: Can Facebook really be to blame for marriage infidelity - or is a New Jersey pastor being extreme by suggesting that married couples quit the social networking site?

Can Facebooking lead to adultery? A New Jersey pastor says that the marriage counseling that he’s been doing over the past 18 months suggests that the social networking site - by allowing people to reconnect with old flames - is creating marital trouble.

His solution: married couples should delete their Facebook accounts. And, to set an example, he is ordering some 50 married church officials to either quit the site or resign from their leadership positions. It’s certainly a more extreme push than his previous suggestion that married couples share their login information with each other.

The Rev. Cedric A, Miller, senior pastor at the Living Word Christian Church in Neptune NJ, told the Asbury Park Press that a large percentage of his counseling lately has been for marital problems stemming from Facebook. From today’s report:

Miller said there was no problem when people just met with friends from high school in a platonic way. But that has changed, he said, and now people are reigniting old passions and connecting with people who should stay in the past. He said a marriage can be going along fine when someone from the past breaks through and trouble begins.

Of course, he can’t force the congregation members to delete their accounts but said he does have authority over the church leaders. And while he also acknowledged that some might see his actions as “controlling,” he told the newspaper that his bigger concern is “to save families and marriages.”

Rev. Miller, who is married and has a Facebook account to follow what his six children are up to, said he will delete his account to set an example.

Of course, the big question is whether Facebook is really the cause of marital problems? The Park Press report quotes psychologist and therapist William Rosenblatt:

I wouldn’t say Facebook is the problem. What I would say is we live in a rapidly changing world, and we are facing stresses and opportunities that we’ve never had to face before. Facebook doesn’t create dissatisfied marriages. People who are dissatisfied now have better means of creating support systems and networks that are much more vast, and it’s much easier to connect with people that way.

So while Facebook may be the outlet where people in troubled marriages go for support or even online relationships that are more satisfying than the home relationship, it seems like a bit of a stretch to think that deleting a Facebook account will change things for some husbands and wives.

And the idea that a pastor can force a church leader to resign his position over membership in a social networking site - even if for a well-intended reason - is definitely an abuse of power. Just because some people aren’t strong or secure enough in their marriages to be able to interact with others on the Internet without cheating, doesn’t mean that everyone who is married and on Facebook will cave to the temptations put out there.

At least that’s how I see it.  What do you think?

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RE: Pastor to married church leaders: Thou shall not Facebook
birumut Updated - 26th Jun
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Now he doesn't get to keep tabs on his kids...
I agree w/ the premise of your article...
I think that pastor is wrong for blaming facebook for those problems. Those people are grown and if they are going to step outside the marriage then deleting a facebook account won't stop it. How can you tell your church leaders to delete their facebook account or resign their position? You are not god and it is not a sin to have a facebook account. Its churches with facebook accounts does that make those churches not of god? No of course not. He really needs to reevaluate what he's saying.
@mailman77 CAN I GET A WITNESS?
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Honestly, I have always thought Facebook was a joke...
Either one has a life or just needs to get one.
@DiamondT Yet here you are posting online...
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More excuses
use_what_works_4_U 17th Nov 2010
So now the *Clergy* are making excuses and finding scapegoats for the decisions that adults make! It's time to stop embracing the culture of "It's not my fault" and start taking responsibility for our own decisions and actions!
@macadam
@macadam
you are so right, and it's not only this circumstance but the majority of problems in the world.
@macadam

Indeed.... and similar to the ever expanding federal government having too much control and power wink
I think that is ridiculous. Facebook has become the moral panic du jour! No one wants to acknowledge the fact that FB can be a good thing, too! I reconnected with long lost relatives who live on the other side of the country and also high school friends, and made new friends and shared my faith with them all! Laggards have always got to find excuses to shoot down new ideas and this is the most ridiculous of all. Plus, saying people who use FB have no life is just plain judgemental
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Family
ChristyVA 17th Nov 2010
I use Facebook as a way to stay in touch with family long distance and to post lots of pics of my growing baby for friends and family to see.

I think people are cheating on facebook because there is a removal of social norms when you are not face to face but rather text to text. It may be easier for people to become more intimate more quickly without worrying about rejection which can ultimately lead to people crossing dangerous lines. Facebook is only one avenue in which people can connect with eachother...not a catalyst for infidelity.
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Not an abuse of power
bmeacham98@... 17th Nov 2010
> ... that a pastor can force a church leader to resign his position over membership in a social networking site ... is definitely an abuse of power.

No it's not. It follows from the rules of a voluntary association. If you want to be in the association, you have to obey the rules. If you don't want to obey the rules, then leave. What's abusive about that?
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The Pastor in Question . . .
JLHenry 18th Nov 2010
@bmeacham98@...

Was on Fox and Friends this morning. HE clarified his statement to Husbands and wives shouldn't have individual accounts where they can conceal their activities from their spouse. He had no problem with a FAMILY Facebook page where both can log in and see the same things. His issue was accountability between spouses. He wants (Justifiably, in my opinion) the leaders of his Church to set the example for the congregation. That's what the elders and the leaders of a CHURCH are SUPPOSED to do.

If they're not willing to lead by example, They shouldn't be in the leadership.

Now if you want to discuss whether or not he should've put this up to a vote by the congregation first, then that's a different argument altogether.
@bmeacham98@... The Christian church is not a "club" where a pastor gets to make up rules for membership. Yes, there must be rules, but they should be drawn from the Bible (and, in fact, in the Bible, Paul does list some requirements for church leaders). I suspect the pastor sees Facebook as a possible source of temptation, but that is incidental to its purpose. One could view going to the mall as a temptation, what with all the attractive women (or men) walking around. So, I respectfully disagree with this pastor.
>>And the idea that a pastor can force a church leader to resign his position over membership in a social networking site - even if for a well-intended reason - is definitely an abuse of power.

You are definitely full of it. Just because you don't like it does not make it wrong Being in leadership in a church is NOT a right.

Maybe you ought to just stick to technology. Well, maybe not, You ain't THAT good at IT either.
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Facebook? Really?
jasonp@... 17th Nov 2010
If I were going to cheat, Facebook wouldn't be my medium of choice. It's far too public of a venue. My wife actually pays attention to my FB posts and asks me about people on my friends list that she doesn't know. It's called communication.
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If she's asking you . . .
JLHenry 18th Nov 2010
@jasonp@...

about people she doesn't know, there's a trust issue there already, I think . . .

I agree about the facebook visibility thing, though. BUt I think a better solution is for you to turn your FB page into a page for you and her to SHARE. That way she sees everything, and doesn't have to "check up" on you.
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'cept for The Pope maybe in Rome
DataGenetics 17th Nov 2010
(A higher percentage of people in the Holy See of Vatican have facebook accounts than any other country).
http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/november62010/index.html
@DataGenetics
Not too many of them are married though! happy
I certainly agree that everyone should quit their Facebook account and join a non-evil spying social networking site. But it doesn't cause couples to break up.
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Well you know
doodlius 17th Nov 2010
The Bible says "Lead us not into temptation", jumping to the conclusion that we cannot handle any temptation. This guy is only parroting that old directive with a modern twist. Personally, I don't mind temptation because I am an adult and I can handle it just fine without falling into immoral or unethical behavior - I guess this pastor does not believe that his own congregation (heck, even other church officials!) have a strong enough moral compass. Kinda sad, really.
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Mark Twain
sboverie 18th Nov 2010
@doodlius
Mark Twain skewered this kind of thinking in the story "The Man Who Corrupted Hadleyburg".
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Waves @Sam Diaz , I have to declare ZDNet has the best patrons that i have ever experienced in a online social setting. I read for hours in here ,and have read most of the links posted on the ZDNet.com site. The Talkback crowd is amazingly polite, insightful as well as savvy.
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Are you sure . . .
JLHenry 18th Nov 2010
@cybursoft

You've got the right website? wink
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If u havnt caught the 1u luv abuseing these outlets, then u dont know what ur talking about. I dare any1 who has, 2come 4ward n disagree w/this rev. Should a pervert care 4children? Its best 2seperate the good from the bad.
He (the pastor) isn't thinking widely enough. If Facebook leads to infidelity, then breathing leads to all evil. You can run with this from here.
Just goes to show that religion is merely another form of "control" which people have known all along.
I think it's been said but facebook the problem it's merely a means for what's going on anyway.

People abuse everything. I suppose church leaders should abstain from driving as well? Hope they got a bus they can use....
Thou can just get thou's face out of my business and go rub is ass on rock salt. Too many already try to run my life.
This is a tactic, a tactic that won't get to the heart of the matter. Married couples need to be given a vision of something more glorious than seeking out other partners. The church needs to educate married couples about the marvelous purpose of marriage. Sadly, most teaching degenerates into lists of dos and don'ts.
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Ah yes some other "expert" blaming the tool used for the underlying issue. Seriously if someone want's to cheat they will find a way, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, whatever form of social networking is a tool that makes contacting people easier... it's a tool just like that pastor who claims FB is the root cause. Please.
Typically "modern" Church leader/Pastor attitude, totally predictable.
Yet more of the undeniable proof that "Modern Christianity" is far, far closer to the Fascism that Adolf Hitler so much exemplifies.
"Modern Christianity" is in no wise any longer about conveying the Message of Christ, but has instead forsaken Christ in an attempt to tell the rest of humanity how it ought to live, and trying to enforce same.

I am NOT anti-Christian. I AM anti-Church Fascism, which the above Pastor so much represents.

Uyraell.
If you cheat because you find someone on facebook, the issue is a lot deeper than facebook itself... They need to address WHY the cheating is going on and not how they found someone to cheat with.
This pastor has 6 kids in this day and age and is accusing other people of being irresponsible? he should be tar and feathered
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Facebook? How about FaceTIME...
ClearCreek 19th Nov 2010
This pastor, plus the pastors & spiritual leaders of millions of technology using people, ain't seen nothin' yet. Follow my argument here:
1. Facetime (and soon many others) allows realtime, private video chat with anyone.
2. Kinect (by MS) now has an open source interface (discussed on this site) which allows a much bigger range of interaction with all kinds of devices. There will be others...
3. The porn industry, one of the most dynamic and profit driven industries in the world, will not fail to note the connection between #1, #2 and various devices which they have in the works, all of which will be able to connect with the cell phone in #1 via Bluetooth.

Thus, we will have the possibility of intimate, emotionally powerful and (for many, at least) satisfying sexual relationships at a distance. No Facebook involved, and if you are using Skype on a netbook instead of an iPhone, untraceable. I have read, in fact, that Facetime is becoming the prostitute's best friend on Craigslist (no STDs or robberies at gunpoint!).

Marriage fidelity has always been a matter of the heart, and the Spirit of the Lord is the only source for the power to remain faithful. All who lose sight of this are in danger of infidelity...
I work at a church with a school. I believe the Reverend Mr. Miller is correct in his assessment that Facebook may be inadvertently facilitating marital conflicts through people connecting with former boyfriends and girlfriends. Mr. Miller has every right as the leader of his church and shepherd to his people to request that the leaders in his church comply with his directive to delete their respective Facebook accounts.

However, here are just a few of the concerns and problems that I see with his very conservative and aggressive approach to the influence of technology as it relates to marital instability and living a life of faith in the world:

1. This action is not really addressing the primary issue, namely, the instability and challenges of marriage.

2. Forcing people to give up Facebook only contributes to the sense that Christians (people of faith) are fearful, reactionary and extremist technophobes who want to deny people access to the benefits of the modern world.

3. I understand and appreciate the pastor's concern for his people, I really do. Perhaps the more appropriate response (certainly more challenging) is to work to strengthen marriages in general and to focus on coping strategies for all of these modern technologies, including Facebook. For that matter, why doesn't he ban cell phones (and smart phones) so members can't "sext" or Internet so no one will gamble, or become addicted to pornography, etc. At the end of the day, you would be completely disengaged from the larger world sitting in a home devoid of books, TV, Internet, and even a telephone because all of those things potentially contribute to marital conflict and an unbiblical lifestyle.

The real challenge of being a person of faith in the modern world is not that we should ban all technologies and eliminate media from influencing our lives or withdraw from the world. The greater challenge is learning to live in the modern world and maintain our faith in the midst of a world that is still just as fallen and broken and beautiful as it ever was.

It will be interesting to evaluate the impact of this action a year from now on the people and the congregation.
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quote: " Just because some people aren?t strong...doesn?t mean that everyone who is married and on Facebook will cave to the temptations put out there."

I do agree with this statement. However, considering the message of the article I do not once that the pastor made any allusions to saying "everyone" will fall to fBook. Ending with such a statement now just makes Mr. Diaz sound like a "Christian" basher.

...but I do understand what the pastor is attempting to accomplish whether or not the methods are correct. Removing the temptation can be a great thing, and also give the individual time to grow to a point where maybe the "thing" is no longer a temptation and can be enjoyed without worry of falling prey to their own limitations.

fBook destroys marriages just as much an adulterous can, in other words...THEY cannot. An affair happens internally before it does outwardly. It not the husbands mistress that broke up his marriage, though she may have played a roll. It is unfortunate, but the wife cannot blame the "other woman" necessarily. The breakdown was internal and the actual "affair" is just the symptom. You cannot blame fBook for broken marriage, just like you cannot blame Marylin Manson and NWA for your child being a pissed off gun toting cross-dresser...but removing the influence could help a bit especially if the time is used productively.

-mg!-

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He had no problem with a FAMILY Facebook page where both can log in and see the same things. His issue was accountability between spouses. He wants (Justifiably, in my opinion) the leaders of his Church to set the example for the congregation. That's what the elders and the leaders of a CHURCH are SUPPOSED to do.

If they're not willing to lead by example, They shouldn't be in the leadership.

DEAD ON!! Also if people would notice, the Pastor is responding to accumulated evidence noticed during his normal marriage counceling sessions. He doesn't appear to be maliciously singling out Facebook over other sites, they are just the ones indicated by the couples in counceling. Also, the church leaders all agreed in the Pastors authority when they joined the church, even BEFORE being chosen as a Deacon/Elder. It's voluntary and standard in almost any Bible-believing church, Christ-following, church. I really don't see him hating Facebook, as much as loving the couples he is counceling. jmho...:-)
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"He had no problem with a FAMILY Facebook page where both can log in and see the same things. His issue was accountability between spouses. He wants (Justifiably, in my opinion) the leaders of his Church to set the example for the congregation. That's what the elders and the leaders of a CHURCH are SUPPOSED to do.

If they're not willing to lead by example, They shouldn't be in the leadership."

DEAD ON!! Also if people would notice, the Pastor is responding to accumulated evidence noticed during his normal marriage counceling sessions. He doesn't appear to be maliciously singling out Facebook over other sites, they are just the ones indicated by the couples in counceling. Also, the church leaders all agreed in the Pastors authority when they joined the church, even BEFORE being chosen as a Deacon/Elder. It's voluntary and standard in almost any Bible-believing, Christ-following, church. I really don't see him hating Facebook, as much as loving the couples he is counceling. jmho...:-)
@sftblmonstr29 my bad, hit it twice.
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Facebook is dopey anyway
Aglets 22nd Nov 2010
The pastor appears to be dealing with the reality of marital problems while the many of the people posting a reply appear to be living in a "should be" world. If someone has a drinking problem, would you suggest that a bar is still a nice place to go to meet friends? In case people haven't noticed, marriage problems are definitely increasing. Perhaps there are better ways to deal with the problem but at least the pastor is looking for ways that might help people.
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No he isn't...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 23rd Nov 2010
@Aglets... This a treatment of the symptom, not the problem. Sure facebook and sites like it offer some discretion, but those who cheat are often looking to fill some void they are missing in their relationship, and need marriage counseling. Deleting facebook does not make the issues of marriage disappear.
It almost amazes me that there are so many things, and especially facebook, that gives you the chance to reconnect with something past. And it gives you the choice to reconnect with people (exes) that you would ruin your marriage over. I wish all good luck with deciding what those things that we try to keep out are and especially couples at risk that they are happy and it is worth it not to even have chance to open the door to these big scary things. I wonder if it's worth it not to face up to things sometimes. And maybe only you can determine when, and maybe it's wsidom gained only by experience. Whether you should put yourself in situations.
The Pastor has the right to instruct his leaders over what he thinks is best for them and his church. If you have not been under spiritual authority, you will never understand.
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As someone who has gone through therapy with a significant other, people often cheat when they feel that some part is missing in the relationship. So if someone is rekindling an old flame, than that means that they and their spouse have disconnected somewhere.

Ordering his flock to delete their facebook accounts is ridiculous. If someone is feeling lacking in their relationship, they might start an office romance with a co-worker, or visit the local prostitutes, or suddenly start working late but in all actuality out at the singles bar, or even hooking up with a fellow parishioner.

His advice really should be, if you have been feeling tempted to go outside your marriage, or if you have, seek some marital counseling, and offer perhaps some names of therapist, who may even use religious virtues if it matters to him.
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