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Patent wars: Kodak sues Apple, RIM for patent infringement

By | January 14, 2010, 6:50am PST

Summary: Updated: Eastman Kodak said Thursday that it has filed lawsuits against both Apple and Research in Motion over digital imaging patents. Kodak launched its lawsuits on two fronts. Kodak filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission arguing that Apple’s iPhone and RIM’s BlackBerry infringe Kodak technology for previewing images. Separately, Kodak filed two lawsuits against [...]

Updated: Eastman Kodak said Thursday that it has filed lawsuits against both Apple and Research in Motion over digital imaging patents.

Kodak launched its lawsuits on two fronts. Kodak filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission arguing that Apple’s iPhone and RIM’s BlackBerry infringe Kodak technology for previewing images.

Separately, Kodak filed two lawsuits against Apple in a U.S. District Court claiming that Apple infringed on patents related to digital cameras and computer processes.

In a statement, Kodak said:

In the case of Apple and RIM, we’ve had discussions for years with both companies in an attempt to resolve this issue amicably, and we have not been able to reach a satisfactory agreement. In light of that, we are taking this action to ensure that we protect the interests of our shareholders and the existing licensees of our technology.

Update: Here’s the download of the Kodak ITC complaint (PDF). I’ll update with the U.S. District Court complaints shortly.

Kodak added that LG, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, and Sony Ericsson are all paying royalties to the company for its intellectual property.

In one suit against Apple, Kodak alleges that Apple is infringing on two patents covering image preview and the processing of images of different resolutions. The second suit is focused on technology that allows one application to ask another program for help completing a computing task. The second suit revolves around the same technology that Kodak sued Sun Microsystems over in 2004. A jury ruled for Kodak and Sun licensed the technology.

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RE: Patent wars: Kodak sues Apple, RIM for patent infringement
dsfwrryd1301-24353654314296078269402150143345 4th Nov
pzgpwb,good post!
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Apple is showing how uninnovative it is
NonZealot 14th Jan 2010
Apple is finding itself in a few high-profile patent lawsuits

It seems that infringing on patents is the only way Apple can be successful.
I find it humorous that you have found APPLE guilty of all this when the
court proceedings have not even started. Want to tell us all where are you
getting your information? Perhaps its the crystal ball that many here said
you are using. You have absolutely no credibility. Go troll somewhere
else you fool.


"In a world without walls & fences, who needs windows & gates!?"
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Just using the "ABM" logic.
GuidingLight 14th Jan 2010
It appears that the ABMer's do this routinely, why not someone else?

In a world of fences and walls, thank goodness for Windows and Gates
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@GuidingLight
Axsimulate Updated - 14th Jan 2010
Two wrongs don't make a right. Besides as the village idiot, NonZ likes to make a fool of himself. He must like the taste of his foot, because it's in his mouth a lot.
  • Flagged
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Amen Brother!!!
windozefreak 14th Jan 2010
nt
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Got into wrong sequence...
windozefreak 14th Jan 2010
This was confirming that that is the way of the ABMer's logic.
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Oh look ...
CapitalismAteItself 14th Jan 2010
... Capitalism ate itself. wink
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In a world without Gates and Ballmer
CapitalismAteItself 14th Jan 2010
who needs walls and fences?
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I must say, that is as good a come back as I've ever read! wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ab6WYNWzcQ
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What does MS have to do with this?
NonZealot Updated - 14th Jan 2010
This is an article about Apple infringing on patents. Stop deflecting the evils of Apple's behavior onto MS. Please stay on topic.
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Hey, you picked the fight
use_what_works_4_U 14th Jan 2010
Now you have to deal with it. You made no comment
on RIM - not even to dismiss them somehow - you
attacked Apple hoping that someone would take the
bait and they did. Congratulations.

Now, care to add something substantive? I doubt
it.
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Apple was mentioned in the story
NonZealot 14th Jan 2010
So I talked about Apple. MS wasn't mentioned in the story so there was no need to bring them up. Seriously, if that is "baiting" an Apple zealot then Apple zealots are bigger idiots than I thought.

Now, care to add something substantive?

I did. Apple should start innovating and stop infringing on everyone else's patents. I hope the combination of Nokia and Kodak blasts Apple out of existence. happy
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The article was also about RIM
use_what_works_4_U 14th Jan 2010
Did you even consider something as simple as "
and RIM, too"? No of course not. You are the
first poster on most Apple related blogs here
and you always bait people. It's a pattern of
behavior that you have established very firmly
and cannot now disclaim.

You hate Apple, this is obvious. Apple may or
may not have infringed on other people's
patents and if so they should be made to pay up
or move on to another technology. I have no
argument with that. But what you fail to
recognize is that this is a legal question
which has been raised by a lawsuit. It is not
a fact and will not be so until either an
agreement is made between the litigants or a
court rules. It could be found that Apple and
RIM achieve a result (image preview) that is
related to Kodak's patent but via mechanisms
which aren't. The mechanism is what patents
protect so if that were to be the case then
there is no actual infringement. It is also
possible that the patent in question could be
invalidated entirely.

Hope all you want, but Apple's not likely to be
going anywhere. If there is one thing they
know even better than selling an image, it's
patent law.
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RIM will . . .
JLHenry 14th Jan 2010
do what Samsung and the others did: Pay Royalties.

Apple won't do that, so we all might as well pop up some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the show!!

Doesn't matter who wins, it ought to be a good one!
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Be careful, NonZealot
GuidingLight Updated - 14th Jan 2010
I hope the combination of Nokia and Kodak blasts Apple out of existence.

You are getting awfully close to stepping on Linux Geek's shtick! happy
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Naaahhh . . .
JLHenry 14th Jan 2010
Linux Geek only attacks M$$$$$ . . . .


Did I get the Dollar sign right? wink
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Oh but that won't happen
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh Updated - 14th Jan 2010
Patent infringement for cameras and cell phones is not likely to cripple Apple. What a dolt.

Besides if Apple wasn't here you wouldn't have your sexy Mac Book Pro. [/Sarcasm]
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Bitty [aka NonZealot] says ...
brian ansorge 14th Jan 2010
"I hope the combination of Nokia and Kodak blasts Apple out of existence."

That's because you are a *flaming* and shameless MS Shill/Fanboi and Apple-hater who is fearful of competition in the market place and *very* insecure [little "appendage" or something? you know...a, uh, *short* guy?] about *your* OS of choice?

It's hard not to believe that somebody like you does *not* live in their mommy's basement.
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Wow...
jhurst747 14th Jan 2010
I'd like to say it's hard to believe but this is a typical response from a Mac supporter. Both MS and Apple have issues, however, I've found MANY more Apple supporters who are border the fanaticism of a jihadist. If you guys would stop responding to comments such as the one above, maybe you'd be taken more seriously.
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Huh?
zkiwi 14th Jan 2010
Many more?

If you hang around zdnet much then you will find that the stereotypical Microsoft "fanbois" here is both way more common on the ground and much much more prone to mindless and much much lengthier unsupportable rants than any other type of "fanbois."
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ha ha ha
spin498 14th Jan 2010
Microsoft 90% market share
Mac 8% market share

Yep that is scary competition, scary. Anyone want to buy some M.S. stock before they go under?

Oh and please wipe that foam off your mouth, you're scaring the dogs.
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true
Jimster480 14th Jan 2010
that. Some companies need to be shown that what they have been doing is unacceptable. Just how intel is being sued over the tactics its been using the past years to defeat the competition. Apple just seems to take other peoples tech/ideas/code and then use it in products they sell for a ton of money, but they never want to give anything back to the guys who developed it in the first place. Just like how their OS is based entirely on freeBSD.
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Are you wishing for your own demise?
lelandhendrix@... 16th Jan 2010
If Apple were to be blasted out of existence, then what, pray tell, would you
ever find to talk about?

Wouldn't that outcome simply render you completely mute!?
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Yes but
Pete "athynz" Athens 9th Feb 2010
so was RIM and there was no comment from you about them. Where is your scorn and outrage against RIM allegedly infringing on someone's intellectual property? RIM had had lawsuits against them before as well... does this not - by your logic - make them just as guilty as Apple?

Ah yes, another perfect time to use one of your favorite sayings: Cue the double standards
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Wrong
jragosta 14th Jan 2010
@Nonzealot:
"This is an article about Apple infringing on patents.'

No, it's not. It's an article about Kodak ACCUSING Apple of infringing its
patents. There's a world of difference.
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The Law firm representing Kodak is K&L Gates, who just happen to
have an office in Seattle, and one of their biggest clients is The
Microsoft Corporation
. Interesting, isn't it? Seems that winmobile
devices are losing ground, then suddenly this lawsuit pops up? How
convenient.
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That's a stretch
use_what_works_4_U 14th Jan 2010
Kodak first raised this issue years ago. They
apparently are suing now because Apple and RIM
have refused to simply capitulate and work out a
licensing deal. I could be wrong but my
recollection is that this issue first appeared
well before the iPhone was introduced. It's an
issue about images not images on phones. To be
honest I thought it had been settled but I've been
wrong before.
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I agree, a big stretch indeed.
GuidingLight 14th Jan 2010
They are no longer a Microsoft preffered partner, so the stretch continues to get much wider.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2009217789_klgates14.html

Maybe the patent was too broad, maybe just reffering to "computers", to which Apple and RIM would contest that their phones are not computers?
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Read the filings
Rick_K Updated - 15th Jan 2010
Kodak seeks to prevent Apple (and RIM) from selling the iphone in the
Untied States. Kodak is represented by K&L Gates, Bill Gate's father is
one of the partners. One of K&L Gates biggest clients is Microsoft. Yes,
the issue should have been settled years ago, I also thought it was.
Suddenly it appears again? Sounds kind of like SCOs claims that Linux
infringes on patents.

GuidingLight,
I would not take that announcement, which just happened to coincide
with this lawsuit as anything more than a cover. THere are two distinct
possibilities you forgot to consider.

1) This could be an attempt to make it look as if Microsoft is not
involved.

2) K&L Gates is looking for a way to get back on the preferred list.
What better feather is there than to damage one (or two) of Microsoft's
competitors?

Could it just be a coincidence? Maybe. Is it plausible that Microsoft is
working in the background, to harm competitors? I believe it is very
plausible. I believe that Microsoft has actually learned from the last
time they got into trouble (think Anti-trust). They did well to cover
their tracks in the SCO lawsuit, so it is a possibility they are doing the
same here.
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Ber inmind Rick_K
kaninelupus 15th Jan 2010
that MS owns a good chunk of Apple Corp, so is highly unlikely they would jeopardise their investment... just a thought.
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What are you smoking kaninelupus?
Rick_K 15th Jan 2010
that MS owns a good chunk of Apple Corp, so is highly unlikely they
would jeopardise their investment... just a thought.


Are you on something? I am sorry but $150 million in non-voting stock,
that has since been sold. Is not owning a part of a company. Unless you
have some information that is not public, I would say you are
uninformed.
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@kaninelupus
Axsimulate 15th Jan 2010
That 150 Million in non-voting stock was sold right after the 5 year deal between Apple and MS ended.
All that 150 million was for, was to feed the media circus and to keep Microsoft honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Canyon_Company

Read it and be enlightened.
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No connection.
GuidingLight 14th Jan 2010
Though next we will hear that Sync, found in Ford automobiles, was a result of Chris Liddell being named CFO of General Motors. wink
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Huh?
Rick_K 14th Jan 2010
The law firm K&L Gates, named for Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates' father,
will continue to provide some services to Microsoft. I wonder if this is to
try and regain the preferred status label?
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This is not...
windozefreak 14th Jan 2010
The standard you hold up for Microsoft!!!
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They are mentioned in the article (NT)
Runningwithscissors 14th Jan 2010
NT
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You're funny
Fred Fredrickson 14th Jan 2010
When MS is challenged by a patent claim, you say it's without merit and that they're only after MS's money.

When it's about Apple, suddenly they're guilty before the case even starts.

Pretty much what I expect from a Windows zealot.
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Why do they bother with the rubbish?
richardw66 Updated - 14th Jan 2010
There have been 2 cases recently which are good examples of 2
different types of patent disputes that I believe should be seen quite
differently.

In one an Inventor went to MS with a technology, which MS rejected,
then replaced with it's own version. This is theft of IP, except that the
court overturned the verdict against MS for what appears to me to be
a strange reason.

In another case MS used an XML based system for documents. In this
system the documents could be customised by XML, MS got sued
successfully. I have seen nothing in this case to suggest that MS knew
about the technology or the patent, and I would think that this is fairly
obvious technology. (Note that I am not in possession of all facts
here, I am going on limited headlines)

1) If you develop anything these days you run the risk of developing
something that someone else has a patent on, you may not know
about this until you receive a letter of breach by the owner of the
patent. This is the nature of the world we live in.

2) If you develop something of any complexity you are no doubt going
to be using some existing technologies and expanding on them. Most
of these technologies are going to be public domain. Some are not and
you may not become aware of this until you get a letter.

3) Sometimes companies get approached by inventors offering
technology and have filed patents over such technology. Sometimes
this is technology that you believe is obvious or were already
considering and you believe their patent is not going to succeed or is
not going to stand up in court.

4) Sometimes companies get approached by inventors and offered
technology and decide that they are big enough to take on the little
guy and ignore the patents and steal the technology.

It looks like MS fell into case 1 on one and case 4 on another. Not that
I know enough to be certain.

It looks like Apple falls into case 2. Again this is not based on
complete knowledge.

What happens when you discover that you have used a technology
that has a patent over it?

If you believe the patent case will proceed at all you start negotiating
to license it. If you cannot reach an agreement that both parties
accept then you are likely to end up in court.

This is what is happening here.

I think that MS has faced this kind of situation on a few occasions
and so has Apple, and they will again.

For this kind of situation it is stupid to talk of Apple or MS not
innovating. All technology is based on other technology, innovation is
not development of technology from nothing, that is not possible.

But if a company knowingly takes technological developments of
others and claims that they invented them, then this is bad.

If you were to say claim that touch screens, or parental controls or window
organisers that show you all your open windows were your invention, or more
strangely l=invented by your users, when in fact they were in competitors product
for years then this would not be innovation, improvement of your product but not
innovation.

If you were offered a system to provide trial versions of software,
turned it down and built it yourself, when it was patented, then this
would be bad.

If you release an XML based document system not knowing that there
was a patent over part of it then this would be unfortunate for you,
and expensive, but not bad behaviour on your part.

But why claim that because Apple offers a way to browse images and
reduced size previews, and so do other companies that all of their
innovations are not to be acknowledged?

That'd be like saying that Bill Gates didn't write a BASIC interpreter
many years ago because MS just lost a patent case.
(OK not a complete innovation either, but significant historically)

Or like saying that anything MS does invent is not innovative because
they use the English language, and they didn't invent English.
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Custom XML
Tom in Toronto 14th Jan 2010
The lawsuit that MS lost was for violating a patent, that protected a product developed and sold by i4i.

MS had seen the product and had copies, told i4i after a demo "thanks but no thanks", then they included it in word.

If it looks like theft, smells like theft....etc

we will have to wait and see about the Kodak vs Apple and RIM
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Yeah, don't change the subject...
msalzberg 14th Jan 2010
like this guy:

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12554-0.html?
forumID=1&threadID=74003&messageID=1431791&tag=content;col1[/
u]
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Hmm......look who is talking......:/
dtroyerSMU 14th Jan 2010
It is common knowledge between IT techs that Apple has been stealing technology from many sources by either a business association or joint venture. Pretty much most businesses will try this behavior, especially if there is a chance they can get away with it. Apple is no exception. This lawsuit is just another nail in the coffin that Apple continues to make in it's business career. Time for the over-priced and over-rated computer manufacturer to bite the bullet and give up the ghost.
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Non-IntelliHence
brichter 14th Jan 2010
What does this story have to do with Microsoft?

Absolutely nothing. Really, you should try to stay on topic rather than try to obfuscate the topic just because it portrays your favorite company in a bad light...
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it seems that
Jimster480 14th Jan 2010
your defense for apple is to talk trash about another company. You talk about MS being un innovative, but they have done alot in the last few years, not just on the software front but on the hardware front aswell. Instead of apple which has done nothing but stolen from the open source community, and apparently infringed on everyones patents.
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That is Microsoft's business model
Rick_K 14th Jan 2010
Instead of Microsoft which has done nothing but stolen from the open
source community, and apparently infringed on everyones patents.

There, I corrected it for you.
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moronic
info@... 14th Jan 2010
fairly stupid comment or?
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So you live in a world where
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 14th Jan 2010
people and companies are guilty until proven innocent? How does it feel to live in the People's Republic of China?

Thankfully this is the USoA, where you are innocent till proven beyond a shadow of a doubt of guilt.

Keep in mind that these 3 companies can settle outside of court as well, which means that no acknowledgment of wrong doing ever has to be made. It just would say that they agree not to pursue it any further in the interests of saving the cost of litigation, usually in some kind of cross licensing deal.
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Stop watching Law & Order
ilyab 14th Jan 2010
it's "beyond a REASONABLE doubt". Don't tell me you've served on a jury.
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Freudian slip.
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 14th Jan 2010
nt.
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Totally of topic
ilyab Updated - 14th Jan 2010
But I live in NYC and I heard the sue happy buffoons that occupy this city spout stupid cr*p like this constantly (sometimes it's hard to believe how little they know of their own country's laws and history)
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Not Quite
mdsock@... 14th Jan 2010
This would be a civil suit, so the requirement is a "preponderance of the evidence". which is much easier to prove than "beyond a reasonable doubt". Which is why the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman won their suit, even though Simpson had been found not guilty in the murder trial.
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RE: Patent wars: Kodak sues Apple, RIM for patent infringement
dsfwrryd1301-24353654314296078269402150143345 4th Nov
pzgpwb,good post!

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