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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Paul Allen: My book isn't about revenge on Bill Gates

By | April 14, 2011, 7:19pm PDT

Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen on Sunday will talk to 60 Minutes about his book, “Idea Man,” which caused a bit of a ruckus given his not-so-complimentary take on Bill Gates. In the interview, Allen said his book is about technology history not revenge.

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“It’s not about [revenge]. I just felt it was like an important part of technology history and I should tell it like it happened,” says Allen. “I hope people understand and respect that.”

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Truth hardly matters under US libel law
WilErz 19th Apr 2011
@ dhays

Under US libel law, the truth hardly matters. There are all sorts of additional requirements for a successful prosecution, especially where public figures are involved (details are easy to find, so I shan't repeat them here). Even if some (or all) of Allen's comments were provably false (and apparently some have already been disputed by third parties involved), it's very unlikely that Gates would be able to win a libel case under US law.

The enormous bias in US law towards defamatory writers/speakers (and I'm not implying Allen falls into this group), as opposed to their victims, probably explains why the US media tend to be full of malicious lies about public figures. Libel/slander isn't a crime under US law (or in common law jurisdictions generally), and US law is so biased that suing for libel/slander there usually just brings more attention to the defamatory claim, increasing rather than diminishing its impact on the victim's reputation.

I'm not, by the way, necessarily defending UK libel law (also common law), which has a bias towards the side with the most money, but on the whole is much more balanced than US law (which basically allows lies about public figures to be published with impunity). I think the classification of defamation as a crime is the more correct approach than the common law one.
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As a long time Apple fan I don't really
James Quinn 14th Apr 2011
pay a lot of attention to MS or it's crew so I'm asking does Paul Allen have a "reason" to wish/want revenge on Bill Gates?

Pagan jim
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Whilst news to the NBMers here on ZDNet (though diminishing in number each year) the book won't surprise those learned on the person and company.

A not so talented individual, with daddy's money and ruthless approach to business propelled to success by a giant playing catchup (IBM), an OS he didn't have (MS-DOS) and a market that was created by others (Compaq and the reverse engineering of the IBM PC BIOS).

It's been a long road uncovering the truth. Now as the company backs into IT irrelevance and the ad revenue dries up the real MS is exposed. For some of us vindication, though embarrassing for several talkbackers;-)
@Richard Flude

Yep and now there is only one global OS, virtually all business uses MS, MS software is the best on the planet and WP7, Kinect and Surface show the way to the future.

And now that Gates has retired he works in the biggest charity organisation in the world started with his own money.

Tell me Dick, what have you done?
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Tony, I've had my wins
Richard Flude 14th Apr 2011
True. I'll never be as rich as Gates, then again none of the people I've ever collaborated with will talk about me the way his "friends" do of Bill.

For some of us, who by the way enjoy very comfortable lives, value this more than the fleeting teen age adulation of sycophants. Clearly, from your comments, not all.
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Why the class warfare
otaddy 15th Apr 2011
@Richard Flude So he got some of Daddy's money, a lot of people do. At least he did something with it and created jobs for lots of people. Most people who get handouts from Daddy just end up partying it away.
@otaddy
You do realize that Bill Gates, believe that there are two classes of people? If I can find it again, I?ll post the link. But from what I have read, BIll Gates sees anyone that has less money than he does as low class, which is something his father taught him. I also read that he is known for temper tantrums, when he doesn?t get his own way. While his tantrums were never as severe as the character in Rain-man, from what I have read, he has a mild version of the same disorder.
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@Richard Flude
MacCanuck 15th Apr 2011
It wasn't just his "daddy's money". His mommy played a big part too.

His mother was on the Board of IBM and that is how he got his foot in the door re connections and selling wares he didn't really own to IBM.

And to others re MS's popularity... much gained thru ruthless, unethical, anti-competitive, illegal means (theft of IP, threatening/bribing/brow beating ISPs, OEMs and competitors, etc), much of which came out during the anti-trust trial.
@Richard Flude

I will give him credit for rolling a mediocre OS into a industry standard but I truly believe we would have been better off with out MS. Bill/MS has crushed some many better technologies that have threatened Windows it is almost a crime. MS is probably one of the poorest innovators out there preferring to smoother better ideas rather then building better software.

It is interesting now to see Apple and Google cleaning MS clock. While MS holds the lions share of the market there products are starting to decline and they are completely behind the curve in the emerging market of Cloud, Pads and mobile technology. They are running to their strong hold of Windows but against these new nimble competitors they are sadly out classed.

Again Gates did an incredible job building MS but we all might be better off without them. Time will tell.
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John Zern Updated - 18th Apr 2011
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@John Zern
and I'll have to find that link myself. And Steve Job's temper is legendary.

Are you sure you're not confusing the two?
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I sense that too John Zern
Will Farrell Updated - 15th Apr 2011
@John Zern
I get the same feeling when I read Richy's posts. He's hiding something, but you can sense it the words he uses.

I really think he's an Apple employee. It's not like Apple hasn't done that kind of things in the past with these blogs and others.
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Steve Jobs is the same way
Will Farrell 15th Apr 2011
@MacCanuck

It wasn't job's ideas that created Apple, it was steve wozniak's brains that did. and how did jobs show his appriciation to woz about it? he cheated him out of a share of his money, and woz eventually left the company
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tonymcs@... no doubt he'll praise
Will Farrell 15th Apr 2011
@tonymcs@...
Steve Jobs for his behavior towards wozniak that left him out of Apple.
@Richard Flude

A not so talented individual, with daddy's money and ruthless approach to business propelled to success by a giant playing catchup (IBM), an OS he didn't have (MS-DOS) and a market that was created by others (Compaq and the reverse engineering of the IBM PC BIOS).

Every "Captain of Industry" got where they were through a combination of talent, drive, and luck in the opportunities available to them. You have to have all of these or you don't make it to the top.

If you merely have opportunities and drive with no talent, or not the right kind of talent, then the real sharks eat you and use you as a stepping stone on the way to power.
@Richard Flude I suggest you look at things with a more true historical perspectve. Like, looking up just how successful Paul Allens investments/ventures have been then comment on both, not just MS and Bill Gates
Bobk
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@Richard Flude
I understand that hating MS is a national pastime, but let's imbue the argument with facts.
Daddy's money?? His father went to college on the GI Bill and went on to be a successful attorney which doesn't put him in the same wealth category as say, G.W.Bush.
Gates legally obtained rights to Q-DOS from SCP. PERIOD
IBM was pointed, by Gates, to CP/M for a PC DOS. Check out how the owners of CP/M screwed themselves out of billions of dollars. (Thankfully, they also saved the teeming millions from having to use CP/M)
I am not sure why you think its wrong to exploit a market, but I can tell you that Compaq did not create the PC market. IBM did, when it vastly underestimated the pent up demand for PCs. IBM compatible PCs fed that demand and often superseded IBM on features. Do you realize IBM thought that a dot matrix printer was "good enough" for business users? Only Apple has managed to keep prices high by holding both hardware and O/S unto itself.
Early PC software (e.g. D-Base II and Harvard Graphics) wanted to turn software into $600 a pop cash cows.
MS kept updating its software to exploit hardware improvements.
MS turned on a dime after it completely missed the rise of the Internet. How many other companies show the same agility?
Is MS perfect? No. Is Bill Gates the Great Satan? No. Did Bill Gates collapse the American economy and hold Americans hostage to the tune of $700 billion dollars? No. Has Wall Street donated over $28 billion dollars to charity? No.
As for wickedness, coal mining companies have it all over Bill Gates. I am not convinced Bill Gates could make the Fortune top 500 list of corrupt corporations. Think Enron. Think Madhoff. Think Ford MoCo's Pinto engineers. Think blood providers' response to AIDS. Think ROBBER barons.
[BTW, I have 30 year's experience in microcomputers. Alas, I am not on or even near a MS payroll. ]
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Envy
WilErz Updated - 15th Apr 2011
@ James Quinn

The obvious motivation is more likely to be envy than revenge. Gates and Allen started Microsoft together, but Gates gets all the credit, whereas Allen (who apparently expected an equal partnership even though by all accounts Gates did much more of the work) is largely ignored. The standard view that focuses on Gates is actually quite reasonable, since he contributed more from the start, and Microsoft's real success came well after Allen had left the company and Gates was clearly running the show by himself.

Gates and Allen are getting on in years, and Allen may just want to remind the world that he was there when Microsoft started, and played a role in creating it. Elevating his own role all but requires knocking Gates down a notch or two, which Allen is apparently willing to do. I've no idea of the veracity of Allen's claims, but from the little I've read, his recollections apparently tend to differ from those of third parties involved in the events he describes.
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Not unlike Apple, with Jobs and Woz.
John Zern 15th Apr 2011
@WilErz
Steve's Jobs account and everyone else's differe on key facts. History is written by the winners, but it's also written by those that write about the winners.
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Jobs is on a different level
WilErz 18th Apr 2011
@ John Zern

From what I've read, Allen's essential complaint is that Gates behaved in an aggressive and self interested way (especially when he thought Allen wasn't pulling his weight), rather than the way he expected a friend to behave. Jobs's mistreatment of Wozniak (and others) is on a completely different level.
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No more then Woz would with Steve Jobs
John Zern 15th Apr 2011
@James Quinn
I'm not an Apple fan, nor am I an MS fan, so my interest in both is really just that, an interest. Woz has many reasons to dislike Jobs, but appears to let the past be the past.

Not everyone takes the same attitude or approach to life.
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@James Quinn

As a long time MS fan I don't pay attention to Apple.
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@rob.sharp@...
As a long time Apple fan, I always considered Bill Gates a business genius and I applaud his philanthropic endeavors. When it comes to technology, there was little innovation and a hell of a lot of cloning...
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Master Joe Says...Anyone
MasterJoe 15th Apr 2011
@James Quinn Anyone who didn't read this comment and go "obvious troll to stir the pot" is a bit delusional today. If you really and truly wanted the answer, go to Bing, Google, Yahoo! or some other search engine and look it up. Even people who don't follow Microsoft know this story. You clearly aren't very active in the tech sector. I agree with a comment responding to thsi post as well. Gates created the most widely used operating system on the planet. However he did it, he did it. Now, he runs one of the most charitable organizations on the planet, and has dumped billions of his own dollars in to fighting disease, hunger, poverty, and many other global problems. Yeah, he sounds like a terrible guy at heart. Can ZDNet add a Flag category for torll posts?

--Master Joe
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Re Talkback
zdnet@... 15th Apr 2011
Gentlemen. At the risk of sounding aphoristic I have to say that this is the first ever zdnet.com blog I have ever read, in say 3 or 4 years, that has intelligent argument.

It is healthy for individuals to banter, but these zdnet blogs so often slather on with vacuous pseudo-slander.

True, the articles normally are barely more than an inciting statement of groundless fact, expounded for no other benefit that getting people to spin their wheels. It is such a shame that we can often follow a link to a blog and barely gain an ounce of knowledge or benefit from it.

I must absquatulate before I dribble.
No, it's not about revenge... it's about whining.
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It's about biting the hand that fed me and made me wealthy.
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And of course...
klumper 15th Apr 2011
that "biting" cuts both ways, when scoped in the macro view. Lest we forget. wink
Perhaps I am getting a little old, but I remember the computer industry before Microsoft and Bill Gates. Had IBM retained ownership of the PC market does anyone really think that it would have become as big as it is today? If you do then you should think again. IBM sold mainframes and that was their primary concern, the PC was a side project and didn't return the profit margin they were accustomed to. IBM would have sold PCs at twice the cost of an Apple, perhaps more. IBM would have sold expensive support contracts, all the bad things that people like to say about Jobs and Apple would have been x 2. Even if Apple had came about anyway Jobs would have certainly felt free to charge even more for a Mac than he did because it was the price of the PC that determined what Jobs could sell a Mac for.

You can invent the greatest widget in the world but if you don't know to market and sell it you will be a failure. Gates may not be an engineering genius, he only gulity of being sucessful and the people that have a problem with that are more likely envious than anything else.
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Thanks for the Reminder
sboverie 15th Apr 2011
@balsover
The early days of personal computing was a mess. Every pc company had it proprietary DOS and CP/M was the business choice before Microsoft. A lot of the early computers were based on the 6502 controller; but the software was incompatible from Apple to Atari to Commador to TRS80.

Having MS DOS as a standard made it much easier for the PC market to expand in small and home businesses. The PC clones helped bring the cost down for everyone and also aided in creating a new industry.

The downside of MS dominance is that the PC industry was like an agricultural monoculture and prone to problems caused by virus infections that spread and evolved into the malware we deal with today.

There was good and bad with Microsoft, but the modern PC industry might not have been as successful without Microsoft. Whether that would have been a better path is debatable between the advocates of the various flavors of OS available now.
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@balsover
Imagine if MS has invented the World Wide Web. We would be locked in in some perverted version of Microsoft Internet, where MS has their hand in your pocket, information is proprietary as are all tools to create content...

Thank God we were spared of this nightmarish scenario and thank you, Tim Berners-Lee and the Unix community...
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Rubbish.
WilErz 18th Apr 2011
@ prof123

There's an actual counter-example to your scenario with .NET, the core design of which Microsoft successfully submitted for standardisation. The primary open source implementation of the standard is Mono, started by Miguel de Icaza, who cloned .NET for the same reason Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds cloned Unix -- also based on standards derived from an initial proprietary implementation (AT&T Unix).

The hyperbole of some anti-Microsoft commentators really is ludicrous. These are probably the same sorts of people who believe every libellous claim about Microsoft or Windows that's posted on a random website. The Apple followers are also the sort who imagine only Windows copied the Xerox UI work, when in fact everyone copied it, and the most widely copied UIs have probably been the IBM CUA, which Microsoft implemented in Windows 2.x/3.x (for UI consistency with Microsoft OS/2), and the Windows 9x UI that evolved from it.
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Just checking in...
jessiethe3rd 15th Apr 2011
Ethical business is an oxymoron. Do you know of a successful business that is ethical? They don't exist. Successful businesses start with 100% ethical intentions but all grow out of a cracked and broken sidewalk.
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ccc
Mike.Waters 15th Apr 2011
dddd
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Getting back to the subject
Mike.Waters 15th Apr 2011
Daddy's money is a red herring. But the suckering of IBM, the MS-DOS story, the theft of Explorer, the copying of Windows from the Apple OS, who in turn took it from PARC, are all as I remember - of course all legalised and settled eventually. The only point I miss is the part referred to indirectly by Rick K. There are many who remember Bill blowing up by slide 2 of a presentation, losing the plot entirely, abusing everyone involved, then sitting down and rocking violently whilst everyone quietly left the room... but he's still an all-American hero...
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@Mike.Waters or anyone else?
To condemn one person for that lost temper, while praising someone else who displays the same trait is assinine at best.

If it's not an issue with 1, it shouldn't be an issue with another.
Someday people will realize that like MS, Apple is not really a true innovator either. Contrary to what the press seems to think, Apple did not invent the GUI, MP3 player, smartphone, electronic store, or even the tablet computer. In each case, Apple, like MS does, bought and/or copied someone else's idea and then improved upon it.
@rh6599-zdnet
You are missing the point. Innovation is is usually an improvement or a fresh angle on something invented before. Even Einstein used previous discoveries to form his theories...
REALLY? I was with MSFT for 10 years and my job was outsourced. 10K of us were laid off and the company was making record profits. Name 1 product that MSFT has invented? Every technology they have has been purchased or copied! Maybe Microsoft did invent BOB. Steve Ballmer is a dismal failure and MSFT would benefit greatly with his termination. www.daxwax.com
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But here's an excerpt I read earlier from the LA Times, showing the kind of teamwork approach Gates + Ballmer have always been noted for:

Paul Allen's memoir, 'Idea Man,' shows Bill Gates in a mixed light
http://url.ie/aqgm
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Two pence from a 'distant' observer from the early days.
Going by tech alone Paul Allen and Wozniak created MS and Apple. Sadly, but realistically though, technology never sells itself. Where is XEROX PARC today? Win copied Mac which copied PARC. How come XEROX made nothing out of the GUI, Mouse, Ethernet, .... Does it ring a bell when IBM makes more than 70% of its 100B revenue from Global services not from 'Innovation' ?
Look around where you work, how many CEO's are 'nerds?
Again hard to swallow but reality, a 'true' nerd would never want to be a CEO, and even if he did for a while, wouldn't last very long. The challenge facing most of the large corporations today is to prioritize between 'customer satisfaction' and 'shareholder value'. That's unfortunately how the system and social psychology works...Ooops. Im rambling again... but do read 'Accidental Empires' by Robert Cringley if you like the big picture over indiv ego battles.
He must be still asleep from the night shift at Md's happy
I don't particularly like Microsoft the company or even its products (that I use everyday) but I would give credit to Gates for his combination of drive, commitment etc. There's no doubting the enormity of what he's achieved and good on him. Those around him also deserve credit as, with Jobs and other great success stories, it's never the individual alone. Often it's as much to do with clever selection of talent and creating the environment and culture for them to flourish. This is where Microsoft today is struggling badly - clearly Balmer lacks something. There is a degree of serendipity in success but someone has to have the smarts to grasp the opportunities and run with them.

It's always fascinating to read the behind the scenes accounts of corporate politics. We all wallow in this in our own humble workplaces - it's just more intriguing when we're talking about mega-companies and the same crap plays out. Makes me feel just like the big boys, only somewhat poorer!

As for tonymcs' comment "Yep and now there is only one global OS, virtually all business uses MS, MS software is the best on the planet and WP7, Kinect and Surface show the way to the future." I hope the future is a lot better than this.
Kabcock
"poorest innovators out there preferring to smoother better ideas rather ... lions share of the market there products are " the word is "smother", smoother ihas a completely different meaning, and "there" is not the right word either it is "their" for possesive meaning. "lions" should be lion's showing possesion again.
As for Paul Allen, he has enough money he can do what he wants, same goes for Steve Wozniak.
What difference does it make if his book was about revenge on Bill Gates? If it is untrue Bill can sue for slander.
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@ dhays

Under US libel law, the truth hardly matters. There are all sorts of additional requirements for a successful prosecution, especially where public figures are involved (details are easy to find, so I shan't repeat them here). Even if some (or all) of Allen's comments were provably false (and apparently some have already been disputed by third parties involved), it's very unlikely that Gates would be able to win a libel case under US law.

The enormous bias in US law towards defamatory writers/speakers (and I'm not implying Allen falls into this group), as opposed to their victims, probably explains why the US media tend to be full of malicious lies about public figures. Libel/slander isn't a crime under US law (or in common law jurisdictions generally), and US law is so biased that suing for libel/slander there usually just brings more attention to the defamatory claim, increasing rather than diminishing its impact on the victim's reputation.

I'm not, by the way, necessarily defending UK libel law (also common law), which has a bias towards the side with the most money, but on the whole is much more balanced than US law (which basically allows lies about public figures to be published with impunity). I think the classification of defamation as a crime is the more correct approach than the common law one.
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Crap
radar_z 19th Apr 2011
Too many posts by too many people who just enjoy spreading falsehoods and ripping others apart. I have thought about logging how many messages of some use, on average, get posted before people start calling each other names.

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