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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

PC makers make (small) progress closing Apple's customer satisfaction gap

By | August 18, 2009, 7:08am PDT

Summary: Apple’s customer satisfaction index rating slipped a bit in 2009, but PC makers such as Gateway and HP managed to improve their ratings, according to the University of Michigan’s American Customer Satisfaction Index. Apple is still leader of the pack with a score of 84, down from 85 in 2008. The ACSI uses a 100 point [...]

Apple’s customer satisfaction index rating slipped a bit in 2009, but PC makers such as Gateway and HP managed to improve their ratings, according to the University of Michigan’s American Customer Satisfaction Index.

Apple is still leader of the pack with a score of 84, down from 85 in 2008. The ACSI uses a 100 point score (statement, standings, Techmeme).

However, the real news was the customer satisfaction with PC makers. HP’s Compaq brand mad a sizeable jump to 74 from 70. Acer’s Gateway jumped 74 from 72.

The common thread between Gateway and Compaq may be value for the dollar in an economic downturn. Both brands are positioned as value plays.

Here’s the scorecard:

Other odds and ends:

  • Google remained the top search brand with a score of 86. Yahoo and MSN were steady at 77 and 75, respectively. It should be noted that the survey was pre-Bing.
  • USAToday.com was the top Internet news and information brand with an ACSI score of 74.
  • There was some interesting movement in the automobile industry with Detroit brands showing jumps in customer satisfaction.

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RE: PC makers make (small) progress closing Apple's customer satisfaction gap
dsfwrryd74-24353636458548791193357148816734 6th Nov
roysvr,good post!
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Let me put on my flame proof suit.....
Economister Updated - 18th Aug 2009
Apple customers as a group are unique in their loyalty to Apple. PC customers are not very loyal at all to any particular PC brand. Apple customers, as a group also seem to put up with abuse by Apple, which in my opinion PC users would not.

It is therefore likely in my opinion, that Apple users will be satisfied with much worse service from Apple as well as poor product quality, and still be happy. After all, they feel they are using the best, so it must be good.

The customer satisfaction numbers are therefore badly skewed. Apple is in fact worse, but its customers are still happy.

OK, fire, I'm ready.
Customer satisfaction is directly related to the zealotry of the companies customers. Given this it's no surprise that Apple, having one of the most zealous customer bases ever, has high marks for customer satisfaction.

IOW I agree with you.
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Typical
gtdavies33@... 18th Aug 2009
So everyone who owns and likes an Apple is a zealot? What does your posting history make you - level headed?
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Not at all.
ye 18th Aug 2009
So everyone who owns and likes an Apple is a zealot?

I own an Apple and I don't consider myself a zealot (and your question confirms that I'm not).

What does your posting history make you - level headed?

Most definitely.
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Maybe you should......
Economister 18th Aug 2009
stay out of the discussion. You are undermining my conclusion - way too normal and reasonable. wink
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My apologies (nt)
ye 18th Aug 2009
.
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LOL....
mgp3 18th Aug 2009
I thought the "not at all" in your subject line was in response to his second question. devil

(FYI - Just having some fun. I've always admired your debating skills.)
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no but unfortunately
kaninelupus 21st Aug 2009
it is the "zealots" who tend to be the most vocal in telling the world "and every forum user" how great their Mac is and how stupid the rest of us are for not sharing their "enlightened" viewpoint. The average Mac user couldn't give a toss what others are using and are just content to get on with what they are using... with that majority I have no problem. If only the vocal Mactards could learn that lesson sad
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i'll be first
bannedfromzdnetagain Updated - 18th Aug 2009
great twist. you could work at the ministry of truth in some orwell
parallel world or as an assistant to bagdad bob (the Iraqi Information
Minister) if he weren't dead already.
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Come on, you can do better than that.
Economister 18th Aug 2009
At least attempt to deal with the logic. Cult followers have put up with extraordinary abuse from their leaders. While I would not place Apple users in that category, it can certainly be argued that there is an element of cultism among some in the Apple community. My conclusion above is not twisted or illogical at all.

Orwell paralell world?

Bagdad Bob?

You are not exactly succeeding in your attempt to refute my arguments.
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I don't think CULT has anything to do with TRUTH.
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 18th Aug 2009
Many Apple Users (like me) point to the truth of the subject because so many Windows users (many more than Apple users) try to 'dis ANY other platform than the Windows platform.

The Windows 'fake grass roots' effort is a prime example of what lengths Microsoft will go to in order to secure and keep their dominance of the computing world.

Sorry. Microsoft is dying a slow death. It make take 20 years. But they will lose their influence UNLESS they can ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING! Lying, cheating, stealing and buying doesn't work anymore!
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Did you slip up? I am a troll, remember?
Economister 18th Aug 2009
At least, that is what you claim below.

In any event, be careful with the word "TRUTH". If you believe, the Bible is the truth. If you don't, it may be the biggest lie ever.

Nobody has a monopoly on the truth; not me, not you. Apple zealots think they know the truth, as do Windows zealots.

It appears from your post that you feel that I am some kind of MS fanboy, just because I dare to question the Apple customer satisfaction numbers. Did it ever occur to you that I am not a MS fanboy (nor an Apple fanboy), but just applying a bit of logic to put forth a very reasonable hypothesis?

For your information, I don't like MS, but still use their products out of convenience and habit. I don't like Apple's expensive walled gardens either, and am certainly not willing to pay their prices. I like to feel free, not controlled by anybody, and as a result will probably switch to Linux one day.

And a troll, I am definitely not.
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I didn't forget, actually.
Jkirk3279 20th Aug 2009
"It is therefore likely in my opinion, that Apple users will be satisfied with much
worse service from Apple as well as poor product quality, and still be happy. After
all, they feel they are using the best, so it must be good.

The customer satisfaction numbers are therefore badly skewed. Apple is in fact
worse, but its customers are still happy."

Your problem here is, you propose a hypothesis, and then fail to prove it.

It's fallacious reasoning.

And given the restrictions you'd have to observe, it would be difficult to prove it in
any case.

You'd need to set up a controlled test, with Apple users and non Apple users, having
the identical problem.

Then test them for satisfaction rates.

Remember, to prove a hypothesis to 95% probability requires more than 1,000
samples.

So you need 2,000+ users, half Mac, half PC users, that had failed hard drives,
failed screens, failed optical drives, etc, both Mac and PC.

At the end of the data collection you'd need some form of qualitative analysis :
length of time to resolution, time spent on the phone, number of times a case had to
be escalated to second tier customer support, etc.

At the end, if you could get a representative sample of repair cases, you might be
able to test the hypothesis.

To be confirmed, you'd have to show that Apple's actual repair service was poorer
than it's competition, but Mac users were still satisfied with it.

But until you've done the math, you're just a troll making false claims.

Now for a personal anecdote. After the first year with my MacBook Pro, I noticed an
area of the screen where the backlight wasn't quite as strong.

I took it to the local repair service, they looked at it, and replaced the whole screen
free of charge.

I didn't spend long on the phone, I didn't have to escalate the claim, I didn't have to
pay anything.

Therefore I was satisfied.
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Seems to be working great for Google.
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May want to re-think that
kaninelupus 21st Aug 2009
Given that a number of the OS X "inovations" were ripped from MS following a presentation on the up-coming MS OS.... roughly presented about 6mths prior to OS X being released (and this was confirmed by testers!). As to the whole debate that ensued over SideBar being a DashBoard rip-off... neither party invented Widgets, but then PC users knew that long ago!

Fact is that most ideas out there are rarely 100% original, but take a common thread and build on it. Apple does it, MS does it, and most Linux distros do it. On occasion a new idea surfaces, but is dispersed and evolved so rapidly these days, we often have very little idea where it began. And this is a good thing, because god forbid we go back to being limited to a single OS based on one or two locked-down features... it allows for freedom of choice.

Apple is just as good at this as MS, but it is always claimed as an Apple innovation when it hits their OS... even if has been in the wild for some time.

Get off your pedestal and step into reality!
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Typical
Cayble Updated - 18th Aug 2009
First point-no one sane has said that all Apple computer users are zealots, all Apple computer users are not zealots.

Second point-Apple users are more generally over zealous then most PC users.

Third point-Because of the ultra high dedication of a disproportionate number of Apple computer users,Apple users are a very tough audience to crack so to speak; they argue incessantly for their choice of OS and hardware and many refuse to even budge an inch toward admitting that Windows is a good OS or that there is a good reason to even use Windows.

Conclusion; if any product can inspire a fan base anything like Apples fan base they have managed to aspire to one of the greatest marketing ploys of all time. That is to make your customers not only a dedicated fan base but a source of relentless and sometimes ruthless advocacy on your behalf.
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Thats very true
JT82 18th Aug 2009
If any other company tried to pull the same crap that they would be put out of business.
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your logic. Since Apple is in the end just a company that has to satisfy
a given market either Apple has found the sweet spot for a given
market and is rewarded for said by its customers or you my friend
don't know what you are talking about when you mention "pulling
cr#p" and accusing Apple of said. Apple seems to be doing well and
since I don't know of any special magic that Apple employes I don't
recall Merlin being on the board though that would be cool. It must
stand to reason that Apple is not magical nor does Apple use magic so
there for logically Apple must obey the rules of all companies and
provide a valued service/product to it's customers. Which it would
seem by Apple's long history and its long history of customer
satisfaction ratings that it does just that.. no magic, no spell just
business as usual.

Pagan jim
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so let' get this straight...
kaninelupus 21st Aug 2009
If MS told Windows users they could ONLY install applications sourced from their app-store, as approved by them, you think we'd be OK with that? HELL NO!

But this is EXACTLY what Apple does in regards to iPhone and new iPod Touch models, and you guys are like "well OK"!

Need we say more?
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Actually ASCI stats disprove your Fanboi theory...
Davewrite Updated - 18th Aug 2009
If you actually look at the ASCI charts you see that Apple's ratings has
increased steadily over the years. First year 1996 apple had 76%,
today it's 84 i.e a 9.1% increase.

If FANBOIS distort the stats then surely the numbers for 1996 will be
HIGHER than today since there were MORE hard core mac fans then
-you'll call them Fanbois- than today when larger numbers of mac
users are new to mac. In 1996 when Apple was down mainly only
hard core Apple fans were sticking to Apple. Today stats show 50% of
Mac purchasers are new to mac. And since mac market share has
grown a lot from 3% to nearly 10% in the U.S there are PLENTY of
recent new users. So with new users diluting 'hard core' fan
percentages why is Apple ratings higher today?

Seems to blow big holes in the Fanboi theory of customer satisfaction.
From the stats it seems that NEW USERS i.e PC users BREATHING a big
SIGH of RELIEF after changing to Mac who are giving Apple those high
scores!
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re Theories
Badgered 18th Aug 2009
Seems to blow big holes in the Fanboi theory of customer satisfaction. From the stats it seems that NEW USERS i.e PC users BREATHING a big SIGH of RELIEF after changing to Mac who are giving Apple those high scores!

Not sure why those particular words needed to be capitalized, but that's beside the point. You make an interesting argument, and you may very well be right. Could also be why Apple slipped a notch this year.

Of course, with any new supposedly high end product you'd hope initial consumer satisfaction would be high otherwise the Windows switchers probably wouldn't switch. It'll be interesting to see if the numbers stay high for the next few years or if they drop off.
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than a single point. I'm sure if this report was over Apple entire
lifetime which I think if 25 years plus one would notice the occasional
drop by a point here or there. What amazes me is with people like
NonZ out there you'd think that with those folk and the amount of new
users coming to the Apple side that the drop would have been
steeper. I would have expected at least a 3 pointer maybe even a 4 or
5. Those would not have shocked me one bit given all the factors
involved. Still over a few years if the drop continues it would take it
like four years (A bit larger than few I think few is often considered
three?) for Apple to reach 80 which is still a killer satisfaction rate.

Pagan jim
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Let me get this straight...
msalzberg 18th Aug 2009
Apple users aren't really happy, they just don't know that they're not?

The only thing that's skewed in your understanding of what customer
satisfaction surveys measure. They measure the sum total of a
customer's experience with a company.

For example, I bought my daughter a Dell laptop when she went off to
college. I loved the machine, and paid a lot for it. Whenever there
was a problem, Dell's support was great, and they repaired the
machine quickly, and satisfactorily. Was I satisfied? Would I buy
another Dell? No, and no. There were so many problems with the
machine that I could not, in good conscience, ever recommend one.
At the end of the day, I was unhappy.

Now, you claim (proof, please) that Apple's users 'put up with abuse
by Apple,' and yet are still satisfied. These surveys don't measure
'abuse,' the measure 'satisfaction.'
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I believe....
Economister Updated - 18th Aug 2009
you have a very simplistic view of all the factors that may affect the satisfaction of a user of a product.

If for example, it really strokes your ego when you walk around on campus with a MBP, then that will contribute towards your satisfaction, even if the computer itself has been in for repair several times. If the Dell did not stroke your (or your daughter's) ego, you would not put up with repeated failures.
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Or to use more guessing try this.....
James Quinn 18th Aug 2009
If you paid a lot for a computer system and found it does not do what
you want it to do or run reliably you TEND to get MORE angry than you
would if you purchased a cheeper system that works. So Apple stand
to have a terrible backlash if it fails it customers more so then say a
Dell which in the case of the $299.00 or $399.00 computer might be
thought of as a "Throw away" system much like a cheep inkjet today.

It can work both ways the only thing I don't see on your or my claim is
any actual proof here.

How about this take surveys like this and examine them over the years
not for a single time period like a given year and see the trends. I
think you'll find both Apple and Dell go up and down but say over 10
to 20 years what does the trend say? Where do each end up on the
chart does Apple stay in the 80"s constantly? Does Dell remain in the
70's?

Now at least that is a FACT.
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isn't really satisfied, because he doesn't meet your criteria? My view is
not simplistic, it is realistic.

Satisfied is satisfied, for whatever reason the individual feels. I was
perfectly satisfied with Dell's service (even the calls to Bangalore were
satisfactory), but incredibly unsatisfied with the product.

Personally, my ego is big enough not to need stroking. I carry my
laptop in a nondescript black backpack, and rarely whip it out in
public. My daughter's laptop rarely leaves her room. Our satisfaction
is based on user experience. Of course, the fact that the Dell is
completely dead (died three months after the end of the warranty)
may have something to do with that.
...iWork and iLife with Snow Leopard? Apple fanbois are falling all over themselves to justify this move by Apple.
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You can purchase Leopard right now for $129.00 if you shop around
maybe even less. You can get the upgrade for $29.00 if you shop
around maybe even save a buck or two on that. So A: You don't have to
purchase the $169.00 bundle and B. At $169.00 the only thing you are
spending is like $10.00 more than purchasing Leopard and the upgrade
individually. So you get a very good deal on a very good product but if
you don't need it or want it... it is not forced on you at all. That has been
explained to you endlessly now.

Pagan jim
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I rest my case. nt
ye Updated - 18th Aug 2009
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What?!
SimonUK 18th Aug 2009
What are you whittering about?
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He has no case and no I did not apologize.

Pagan jim
...it's not a good deal because I'd be paying for something I don't want. If I wanted that software then you would be correct. But I don't. So being forced to buy it is not a good deal. That is why I say you are apologizing for Apple. It's a simple concept.
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It would help...
SimonUK 18th Aug 2009
if you had a case in the first place...
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Ok...
SimonUK 18th Aug 2009
In a debate or argument, one generally states
an opinion, based of fact. Then another party
either concurs or disagrees. By saying "It
helps if you have a case" I was prompting you
to state said case. Clearly you aren't mature
enough to state the position relevant to your
(inflammatory?) position. It's clear to me that
you are trolling, using puerile and facile
play-ground style 'I know you are but what am
I' style discourse. So, put up or shut up.
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What does that have to do with...
msalzberg 18th Aug 2009
the subject at hand?
But not the Apple fanbois. They refuse to see the negative as anything but a positive. It's not unreasonable to think this same behavior applies to other things Apple...like customer satisfaction. What normal people would see as a negative the Apple fanbois will see it as a positive.

Your MacBooks battery catches on fire? Normal person: That's bad. Apple fanboi: You get a new battery for free.
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How exactly is it forced bundelling?
SimonUK 18th Aug 2009
AFAIK 10.4 users can either purchase the full
version of 10.6 or for a few dollars more
buy it with iWork and iLife. Why should the $29
version be available to those that didn't
pay for the 10.5 upgrade? It's quite simple. I
admit that it doesn't fit in with your rhetoric,
but lets not let facts stand in the way of that,
eh? As for the fanboy slurs, better than being a
troll my friend...
AFAIK 10.4 users can either purchase the full version of 10.6...

Granted we're not at release yet but pre-ordering at Amazon does not show any stand alone version. I'd be happy to be wrong.

With that said my point remains even if a stand alone version is available.
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I don't see why you can't as well? I don't think Apple cares what version
of OSX you are currently running either. You could be running OSX 10.0
and Leopard will install just fine. Then when it comes out you can buy
Snow. If you are thrifty I'm sure you can get Leopard on the cheap by
now and if you wait or go to alternative sites you might be able to get
Snow for a buck or three less. Still can't see a problem for you unless
you are just complaining for the sake of well complaining:P

Pagan jim
I'm talking about Snow Leopard.
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Re: Apologizing
Arm A. Geddon 18th Aug 2009
Did I miss something? Maybe you can point to me where all those posts are. Btw, if Apple wants to bundle apps with its OS then it shouldn't make a difference, at least that's what the Microsoft apologists say about their OS. At least with Apples apps I can drag them to the trash. With Microsoft's apps what can I do? Oh yeah, turn them off. See, big difference. Now go away fan boy. Go back to the Apple lab at Microsoft's campus.
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Right here:
ye 18th Aug 2009
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I didn't see anyone apologizing. Maybe you can find at least one post where an Apple user apologizes for Apple bundling their apps.

I have no problem with Microsoft, Apple, Linux, etc. bundling products. It's when I can't uninstall them that I dislike.

The iWorks application should be compared to Microsoft's Office Home and Student Edition. Both are office suites, installed on all PCs and both are trial versions for 60 days.
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Thanks for re-inforcing my point that...
ye Updated - 19th Aug 2009
Hmm. I looked through all the 189 posts so far and I didn't see anyone apologizing.

...Mac users turn a blind eye. You can find several starting here:

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-9595-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=67973&messageID=1294303

I have no problem with Microsoft, Apple, Linux, etc. bundling products. It's when I can't uninstall them that I dislike.

It's not the bundling I have a problem with. It's being forced to pay for that bundling. If these programs were included at no cost then it wouldn't be an issue.
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File under...
mgp3 18th Aug 2009
Apple users aren't really happy, they just don't know that they're not?

Doesn't that fall under the saying "Ignorance is bliss"? devil
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So....
James Quinn 18th Aug 2009
What is smarter being a happy moron or a unhappy genius? Now since
PC users are in general less satisfied (and this has to be considered a
generalization at best) then are they smart idiots?

Pagan jim
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Where's the Apple abuse?
awasson@... 19th Aug 2009
"Apple customers, as a group also seem to put up with abuse by Apple, which in my opinion PC users would not."

I'm a PC guy and have been for more than 20 years but I work with plenty of Mac people and every now and again I have to jump on a Mac workstation to do my work.... I don't see a problem with the quality of the Apple products.

Where's the Apple abuse you speak of?
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RE: PC makers make (small) progress closing Apple's customer satisfaction gap
dsfwrryd74-24353636458548791193357148816734 6th Nov
roysvr,good post!

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