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Philosophical differences: The Google cloud vs. the Apple cloud

By | June 9, 2011, 2:00am PDT

Summary: Pay close attention, because Google and Apple are taking drastically different approaches to the cloud. Here’s a quick summary to help you understand the differences.

At the end of TechRepublic’s live commentary of the Apple WWDC keynote on Monday, after Apple had unveiled iCloud, I had a conversation with the participants in our live chat in which I explained that Apple’s cloud was a “store and forward” cloud as opposed to an “All your base are belong to us” cloud. Goofy Internet memes and technical jargon aside, that’s a pretty good description of the difference between the Apple cloud and the Google cloud — even though I was half-joking at the time.

Let’s look closer.

The Google cloud

Google’s entire strategy and approach to the cloud is based on the future, and not the Internet as it is today. Google is betting that the world will have low-cost, ubiquitous Internet access in the not-too-distant future, including fiber connections in offices and homes and super-fast mobile broadband in virtually every nook and cranny of the planet.

It is building its cloud for that world, and it’s hoping that by the time it has its application stack refined and running like clockwork that broadband will be everywhere. That’s absolutely necessary, since all of Google’s apps are connection-dependent and all of the data is stored on Google’s servers in the cloud. You’ve got to be online to take advantage of many of the best features, like simultaneous editing of Google Docs where you can see your co-workers’ edits happening in real time.

I love Google’s optimism about the future of broadband, but it’s not going to magically happen on its own solely based on free market forces. There are too many places where it’s just not financially profitable to deploy high speed access — and probably never will be. In order for Google’s vision to come to light, there will need to be more competition in the big markets and much stronger public-private partnerships in the smaller markets.

Google has started talking about making critical apps available offline, especially for Chromebooks. The company has already taken a few baby steps in that direction with Google Gears. However, the fact that offline access is an afterthought and not an intrinsic component of Google’s solution tells you where offline and local syncing rank on the company’s priority list.

The Apple cloud

Apple’s approach is not to use the cloud as the computer-in-the-sky the runs all the cool stuff. It doesn’t want or need everything to happen in the cloud. Instead, it views the cloud as the conductor of Grand Central Station who makes sure all of the trains run on time and that they make it to the right destinations.

With iCloud, announced on Monday at WWDC 2011, Apple uses the cloud to orchestrate data streams rather than control them. This is the cloud as a central repository for apps, music, media, documents, messages, photos, backups, settings, and more. A decade ago, both Apple and Microsoft talked up idea of the Mac and the PC, respectively, as the central hub of our digital life and work, with a variety of devices relying on it to coordinate content. On Monday, Apple clearly stated that’s no longer the case. For it, iCloud is now the hub.

“We are going to demote the PC to just be a device,” Steve Jobs said.

In this way, Apple is taking an approach unlike Google (which essentially mimics the old mainframe approach). Instead, Apple is doing something similar to what the popular startup Dropbox does. It is allowing users to sync their personal data and media purchases from their computers and mobile devices up to a personalized central repository. Then, that central repository on the Internet syncs all of the data and media files back down to all of the user’s devices, so that all of them have the same data. Users no longer have to worry about constantly managing their files and music libraries in order to keep them up-to-date across a bunch of different machines and devices - a computer, a tablet, and a smartphone, for example.

Geeks, technophiles, and IT pros tend to love this approach because they still control their own data and have local copies of everything. However, syncing can also get a little complicated, especially if you choose to not automatically sync all of your devices (to save on performance and bandwidth). It remains to be seen whether mainstream users and business professionals will grasp the syncing concept and easily make it work.

Still, Apple’s approach is probably more practical for the Internet as it exists today. But, in a world with ubiquitous ultra-fast broadband, will syncing still matter in 5-10 years? That will depend on whether users prefer to have local copies of their data for performance, security, and peace of mind.

Naturally, there have been heated debates about Apple iCloud in social media since WWDC. The most poignant comment I saw came from Lessien on Twitter, who said, “In Apple’s vision, the cloud makes native apps better. Others see the cloud as a substitute for native apps.”

Final analysis

All that said, let me try to boil this down into two sentences that shouldn’t surprise you. For Google, the Web is the center of the universe. For Apple, your device is the center of the universe.

Can they both be right?

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lawtonterri 28th Feb
Perfect post. Here???s a tool that lets youbuild your cloud database apps without codinghttp://www.caspio.com/
Thank you for the analysis Jason.
Like you, I belive that Google's version of the cloud is for the future, where every part of the planet is wired in. For that one would need technologies like LTE and WiMax, everywhere and they will have to be cheap and reliable as well. Who knows, we may one day get rid of our WiFi routers if Google has its way.
Apple's version is more in tune with today's technology. I just hope that they iron out the problems that ailed MobileMe, once iCloud goes live.
I still believe that the future will be some kind of hybrid of the two visions. I would even say that for the most part there will be huge clouds, run by the likes of Google, Microsoft, Oracle etc. but there will also be a bunch of cloudlets around for businesses and the most paranoid of private users.
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it shure sounds the same to me
sparkle farkle 9th Jun
@MG537
if your device is only a terminal in both cases, what's the difference? Paid advertising?
@sparkle farkle
As Jason said, Apple's version of the cloud is not about carrying dumb terminals with us. Google's version most closely resembles the mainframe model of old.
@sparkle farkle Apple sells expensive hardware for you to use, they are not going to push cheap dumb terminals! Google on the other hand has all these expensive Data Centers all over and doesn't sell much hardware outside of one discontinued phone, so Dumb terminals are the way they roll! It's all about how they make their money!
@MG537
Well, cloud computing mostly consists of SaaS (which is primarily remote compute), IaaS (which is primarily remote storage) and PaaS. Apple's iCloud is basically remote storage plus some synching technology. Therefore iCloud is a subset of cloud computing. Not really an issue whether who is right or wrong here.
TVT, software architect.
@MG537
Well, cloud computing mostly consists of SaaS (Software as a Service, which primarily relates to remote compute), IaaS (Infrastructure as a Service, which primarily relates to remote storage) and PaaS (Platform as a Service). Google hopes to provide a full set for cloud computing. Apple's iCloud basically is remote storage plus some synching technology. Hence technically iCloud is a subset of cloud computing.
However, iCloud obviously places the liking of Apple's common customers at its centre. So marketing-wise, iCloud looks like a winner.

TVT.
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Not enough electronic bandwidth
Herr Spiegellman 9th Jun
Technicians try to increase the amount of bandwidth even on short distances, like between a CPU and RAM but it's very hard. People complain that a HDD, with read speeds of up to 60MB/s is the slowest component in the computer, why should I then switch to an even slower storage medium like the internet ? And one that might not be even available at some times and/or places ? Fiber optics everywhere ? What Google wants can only happen in a comunist regime, where the costs are not important, only the final outcome is. Will there be revenue to compensate FO everywhere ? Maybe ! But capitalist thinking can't cope with "maybe" in a business plan.
@Herr Spiegellman

All of your concerns about computer speed are probably the reason for an approach like Google's where the App AND the data are stored in the "cloud" (I still hate that markitechture name) and you are only viewing the data/portion of the data at any given time via your connection.

Using the "cloud" as a store and synch approach means that when you do actually have to get data from it then the bandwidth requirements are much higher.
@Herr Spiegellman Depends on what you're storing where... If you store applications on your local system, you'll get satisfactory IO for the realtime disk IO intensive applications. If you store documents and metadata in the cloud, since they're limited in size (closer to 1MB) performance will be satisfactory.

Let's take the example of a computer game. Let's say you store all of your character and save data in the cloud, and then you store the binaries and resources locally. That's a good use. That's how world of warcraft works. The key here is limiting the size and scope of what goes into the cloud...

Another example is how chromebooks store the OS and the browser on the onboard SSD.

The key to deployment success is using fast storage where necessary, and slow storage where possible.
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Going with Apple
Hasam1991 9th Jun
I'm going to stick with Apple for now... I don't get Google's approach and I don't trust Google. Perhaps Facebook will build a social cloud and finally put Google out of it's misery.

One thing is for sure, iPhone 5 will come with 4G to handle all this data! can't wait.
@Hasam1991: ... have to have you connecting to their cloud and make you see the advertisements there.

With Apple's approach, it is not possible: mainly syncing local copies of data/settings between devices does not have room to put all of these blinking advertisements in your throat.
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Not possible with Apple..?
pwatson 9th Jun
@DeRSSS - Give us a moment to prepare your transfer. We'll be right back after you watch this.
@Hasam1991 You trust facebook more than Google? That's just laughable even for you... Have you been keeping up with what facebook does on a regular basis?
@snoop0x7b
Amen. That's definitely the pot calling the kettle black.
@Hasam1991 You trust Facebook more than Google?
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Personally I see Apple's/Microsoft's Software + Services (Cloud) approach the more realistic.

Today Web Apps are very poor in comparison to Desktop Apps and even if this were to change, Local content will always be better from a user perspective than downloading content held elsewhere.

The future is in local Apps, local data but also web based apps, web based data.
@bradavon: But Apple is not offering you the use of Web-based data. Just synchronizing your device with the cloud. And Microsoft offering is much similar to Google: Store in my cloud, use my cloud applications with your cloud data... It's really different.
Lets not also forget, contintents like Africa cannot even get broadband period, let alone decent speed broadband. It's going to take decades for Google's vision to come to fruitation.
@RicD_ Isn't "fruitation" what Apple tries to do to markets?
@jgm@...
Ah, I get it. Sorry, on my part a mental slowdown today, a full collapse perhaps. Hey nurse, bring me my medication! sad
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Africa is Irrelevant
Wesley A Updated - 9th Jun
@bradavon - I don't live in Africa and have no plans to move there. Everywhere I go, with the exception of camping for one week a year, has broadband, including at least 3G. And, I live in rural Louisiana.

I'm not saying I'd trust Google with ALL my data, but the bandwidth issue is getting less and less of an issue.

Also, I don't mind the clutter of ads on my email as long as it's free. I never notice them (sorry Mr. Google)
@Wesley A That is what is so wrong with so many of the posts here on ZDNet, you go by the attitude that if it doesn't apply to you it is irrelevant. Sorry to break it to you but the world does not revolve around you.
"contintents like Africa cannot even get broadband period"

@bradavon Argh. Have you been to a country within Africa? Proving that this ignorant borderline racist tripe is easy enough to do if someone decides to do a search on broadband within Africa, but odds are, very few people will make that attempt. Sheesh.
@scorintha
I read an article where a village in Africa has one young man that made a wind powered electric generator from bicycle parts so his village could have electricity. I am willing to bet that if they don't have on grid electric power, they probably do not have broadband either.

I know this is one village, and Africa is a very large continent, but there are still lots of places right here in the USA that don't have broadband, (My best man lives in one!) so I say cut @bradavon some slack!
@scorintha It's not racist. Many of the poorest countries on Earth are on the African continent - Afghanistan, Eritrea, Somalia, etc. South African broadband is expensive and slower than average. The BBC says that "Fewer than four out of 100 Africans currently use the internet, and broadband penetration is below 1%."
http://appfrica.com/2008/08/16/the-current-state-of-internet-penetration-in-africa/

So, someone made the attempt to "do a search on broadband within Africa", and your attempt to paint Africa as a techno-paradise is refuted. Perhaps you should have accepted your own challenge.
michaellashinsky The inspiring story you're thinking about was in Malawi.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8257153.stm
@scorintha Borderline racist? Are you freaking kidding me? That word is so over used the days it almost doesn't mean anything. People that use it like you just did are pathetic.
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As it is today, I side with Apple. As for Microsoft's offerings, I have no respect for a company that via dubious means had maintained a monopoly (and effectively still does) which in collusion with others, stiffled PC innovation for over 10 years. However, Microsoft can sit back and wait, as they have a sure revenue stream from staples such as Windows, Office, training and support services.
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Be careful...
ShazAmerica 9th Jun
@root12,

Saying you don't respect Microsoft will bring their apologists that troll these boards. They'll call you a hater and say you don't have a life. I wish that posters had to state their country of origin, as I'd hate to think that Americans, that are supposed to support a free enterprise market, stick up for a convicted monopolist that stifled innovation and made a mockery of our market system.

But I just remind myself that those posters are probably paid shills or just ignorant.

Apple owns Microsoft, and the beating they are giving them is truly a blessed event. Just like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad before it, Apple's cloud system will become the gold standard, and the demotion of the PC further cuts MS off at the knees.
@ShazAmerica
American. Soldier. Programmer.
If you want to talk about America, then talk about second chances and talk about the future.
It was easy to hate Microsoft in the 80's and 90's. Heck Linux and Mac's made their small mark by people who thought they were stepping away from the mainstream. The rebels of the time. Flash forward 20 years and its a completely different landscape. Microsoft, is not the one that is suing to maintain monopolies, I think they learned from their mistake of becoming the enemy in many peoples eyes.
I have bought two laptops with Windows on them in the last 15 years and that was only because that was what was affordable. I am not paid or ignorant. I like working in Linux.
I guess what I'm getting at is that these anti-Microsoft things are sooo 1990. If you want to get mad, then look no further than lawsuit happy Apple. They didn't use to do that back in the Macintosh days and I for one wish they'd return to their roots in that aspect. Maybe then I'l upgrade my First Gen Macintosh.
@ShazAmerica You are so right! Lately Apple has been out Microsofting Microsoft, they have turned into Bigger Brother and their version of Microsoft Surface, isn't a coffee table it is an iPad! They have got a much better lock on their customers than MS ever had! instead of the Nasty Bogeyman, they are the Friendly looking Pied Piper! Overall effect is the same! Total control!
@ShazAmerica
As only another 10 year old would think anything you write here is factual, or even in the same state as the truth.

Another EPIC=Fail on your part!

LOL! happy
@nickmcel

I'm pretty sure the area would be somewhere in the Copertino zip code.

You don't answer him honestly, you just mock him for being another Anti-MS / Pro Apple shill for the gibberish he posts.
@ShazAmerica "Apple owns Microsoft" - now that is funny
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so last century
mswift@... 9th Jun
@ShazAmerica

Apple just recently discovered that people need things lynced together. That is a last century deliverable from Microsoft. It does not really matter where the data is located as long as all of your devices can access it. The Win7/Server2008 combo has native VPN like capabilities. You can have the kind of access the iCloud will provide and privacy too.
@ShazAmerica Hey, you two, the DoJ of the 1990s called! They wanted to let you know that they already dealt with this whole "monopoly" thing more than a decade ago.
Apple's "cloud" isn't really much of a cloud. It synchronises different devices together, it will use TimeCapsules to store the bulk of the data and, as you say, co-ordinate the distribution of the files, with space for a small sub-set of the data in the actual cloud.

At 5GB, it seems a little stingy, when compared to similar services offered by Microsoft, Google etc. Microsoft's Live and Skydrive offering does a lot of what the iCloud does, especially the most important bits - syncing files, contacts, email and calendars between devices and it offers 25GB at the moment.

5GB wouldn't be enough to get an afternoon's worth of photos stored - okay, for the first 30 days, the photos won't count against the 5GB, but they will disappear from the Apple cloud after that time (assuming that Apple allow the RAWs to sync anway). The bigger problem with the cloud (Apple's or Google's) is getting the information into it in the first place.

As I said, a 5GB allowance isn't going to hold an afternoon's worth of photos. But the saving grace - for the cloud provider - is that it will take me the best part of a week to upload the data to their service; which would probably mean that the "buffer" on my local machine would have 10s of GB of data waiting to sync into the cloud at any time.

I use Carbonite to back up, but that means having to leave my iMac on 24/7 in order for the local cache not to exceed what has already been backed up! That is a waste of electricity.

When I go away, I take the TimeMachine USB drive and store it offsite, until I get back. That is more likely to save me than Carbonite. But Carbonite is there, in case the iMac and the TimeMachine drive die / get stolen / drown, at least I would be able to get all but the last 6 weeks worth of data back... :-S

Once the data has been uploaded to the cloud, I'd rather work on my RAWs in Google's cloud than Apple's, downloading an image work on with Apple's cloud would take a couple of minutes, hopefully Google's web gallery would load the 24MB images faster; but saving the changes is where the big difference would come in, Google's web site should take a few seconds to save the changes, but Apple's cloud would need 20 minutes or so to save changes...

Better broadband, especially in the up direction is needed. Then we can start to talk seriously about clouds for the consumer.

Clouds are great for syncing small amounts of data. But start moving into "proper" data, such as data acquisition, multimedia creation etc. and the cloud is a non-starter, or you end up squishing your nice 18MP RAW image down to a 2MP heavily compressed JPEG, which rather defeats the point of buying a quality camera...

Somewhen, the cloud will make sense, but for consumers the infrastructure needs to improve a lot, before it will become practical.
@wright_is - For me, and the vast majority of western-world consumers, the cloud makes perfect sense, right now.

To clarify this point: For "consumers", this is a big deal. For "proper" professionals (amongst which I would include photographers who work with 20+Mb RAW files) this is not a big deal.

When I take an afternoon's photos, I'm talking about maybe a couple of dozen pics of my daughter playing at the park, perhaps 100Mb total. For those to be automatiaclly ready to go on my AppleTV by the time my family sits down in the loungeroom to watch a slideshow, to me (and, I don't doubt, millions of other consumers) that's priceless, and Apple are giving it to me for free.

Will I use any of this stuff in my profession (IT Tech)? Probably not (although calendar sync looks handy). But that's my professional life. But when I come home, and put on my consumer hat, I think this is simply awesome...
@Uthacalthing

And that's the reason why I feel Apple will continue to win with "consumers". The average consumer don't want to think about this cloud stuff or tech stuff for that matter. Photo Stream is a perfect example of this, I take a pic on the road with my iPhone and it just stream automatically in the background to my other family of devices (iPod Touch, Apple TV, iPad). My wife and kids don't have to do any work on their part to view the awesome photos I just took a few minutes ago, just turn on Apple TV for instance. That's it. That's the marrying of technology with liberal arts Apple is so focused on and what others are missing.
@wright_is The 5GB versus 25GB isn't a true comparison.
Google need to face reality. I spoke to the guy in charge of broadband infrastructure expansion at Virgin Media, the main fibre-optic broadband provider here in the UK where most of the country has no hih-speed broadband (a national disgrace that the government needs to address now with less talk and more action). We spoke at length, and his opinion is that in areas like most of the UK will not be getting fibre-optic broadband in my lifetime. Funding is needed, from the BBC, from central government, and from industry. Would Google like to donate the ?50 million needed to bring broadband to my village?

http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2011/feb/uk_internet_infrastructure

Apple's "iCloud" in reality uses Microsoft's Azure cloud platform, and also relies on Amazon's cloud storage platform.

http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/06/08/is-icloud-running-on-microsoft-amazon-cloud-services/
@Tim Acheson
Believe it or not, google would like nothing more than being an ISP. That would cut out their middleman to their commodity--eyeballs.
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@Tim Acheson

What ever happened to capitalism? What we have in the US came without government and I am confident that it will continue to grow best without government. If you want broadband, pay for it.

Businesses like Google, Apple and Microsoft pour money into cloud infrastructure with nothing but profit as an incentive. The concepts and capabilities are not new unique to any particular broadband technique. Replication (where Apple is going) is what Lotus Notes did in the 80's (efficiently using modems). RIM takes efficiency seriously too, as well as security.

The MS platform is the most robust, with very mature server and client software - industrial strength stuff for serious work. Google apps are simple, free versions of this, without much on the server side. The MS stuff has pretty cool off-line components too (SharePoint Workspace, formerly Groove). Office 365 (and BPOS before it) are very high performance systems.
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Given...
wolf_z 9th Jun
...Apple's proven history of failure in this area (this is the *4th* attempt) and given the inherent insecurity of the internet, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Apple is no longer under the bad guy's radar. All that juicy data just *sitting* there on Apple's servers?

Sony was hacked. Google gets hacked. Even MS has been hacked in the past. And yet they say "trust us"?

Especially Apple.

No thank you. They make a decent laptop, a fair OS but have never been much on business (read "data"). Their data center runs HP, for goodness sake!

Why should anyone trust them with cloud data? I mean, come on, freaking *RSA* got hacked! The supposed kings of security.

And you expect neophyte Apple to do better?

I've got some swampland you might be interested in, complete with a bridge--to nowhere! happy
@wolf_z - Couldn't agree more. I made a post above, about this being a big thing for consumers. I, for one, can't wait to sync my photos and music using this.

But when the time comes to update our corporate iPhone fleet to iOS5, the first thing I'm gonna do is fire up the iPhone Enterprise Utility, and create a lock-down policy that switches iCloud off on every single last device we've got.

I don't care if someone looks at, or even steals, pics of my daughter playing at the park (hell, most of them are already on facebook anyway!), but there's no way in hell I'm going to trust Apple (or anyone else outside our firewall) with a copy of my General Manager's emails and itinerary!
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What "juicy data"?
matthew_maurice 9th Jun
@wolf_z I'm not sure there's a lot there to go after. Online copies of my music? FairPlay DRM seems to have survived any cracking attempts, and with a little searching anyone could find ripped copies of most stuff on pirate sites with a lot less effort. As for my pictures? Have at 'em. Not much of interest, let alone value there. It's certainly possible that people might put valuable data into documents that are on iCloud for a while, but with millions of iOS users that's a pretty small needle in a really big haystack.

No, I don't think there's much reward in trying to hack iCloud. Much better returns can be made writing Malware that phishes for credit card numbers.
@wolf_z
Is was our fault as I was just told I was holding the Internet the wrong way. happy
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Apple icloud != a cloud solution
facebook@... 9th Jun
Yes, they are drastically different. Apple is taking their MobileMe, jumping on the "cloud" bandwagon, and rebranding it as "icloud". Apple is not offering a cloud solution at all. It is offering a storage solution.
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Perfect!
lawtonterri 28th Feb
Perfect post. Here???s a tool that lets youbuild your cloud database apps without codinghttp://www.caspio.com/

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