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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Press "Upload" on that Video: "Point Is Not To Bust People,'' Says NBC

By | November 12, 2008, 2:18pm PST

Summary: The point is to actually make fair use  — fair and creative use — use of someone’s professionally produced content, if you’re going to post a video online. The executive vice president and general counsel of NBC Universal, Rick Cotton, this afternoon said that 99 percent of all videos that it orders taken down from video [...]

The point is to actually make fair use  — fair and creative use — use of someone’s professionally produced content, if you’re going to post a video online.

rick cottonThe executive vice president and general counsel of NBC Universal, Rick Cotton, this afternoon said that 99 percent of all videos that it orders taken down from video sharing sites from YouTube, Veoh, DailyMotion or other video-sharing sites are not short clips where an amateur producer has tried to make some new video by using pieces of professional product, as part.

Nearly all — all but 1% — of the clips that get ordered taken down by NBC are “extended excerpts” of professionally produced shows. And, just as importantly, excerpts, Cotton says, that show “no effort to change” the original product.

“We’re talking about a tiny amount of material” being taken down or blocked with such “cues as electronic notices of infringement, said Cotton.

“The virtue of doing this by technology and by sending cues and by providing alternatives and moving the audience by virtue of a learning experience is that one doesn’t wind up having to deal with the issue of who gets busted,” he said.

“The main effort here is to create a broadband Internet which operates by the normal rules that we are collectively used to. Which is that in the case of professionally produced material, and it’s true in terms of physical product and it’s  true in terms of digital products,  that individuals who are interested in accessing those, access them from legitimate outlets, and either legitimate Web sites on a digital basis or stores on a physical basis. Those are the normal rules of behavior.”

Content producers want to move from a “total Wild West” to where the any and all comers can “take advantage of huge capabilities” of the broadband Internet, so that consumers can get whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they are.

Policing videos has become much more automated and effective, as YouTube and other sites employ systems or services that let original content creators protect what they have produced. These systems compare videos uploaded by users against videos uploaded by the producers to see if there are matches. The content producers are notified and then they decide to order whether to order the uploads off the site.

NBC, for instance, issued 25,000 takedown notices to video-sharing sites when copies of sports events that it broadcast from the Olympics started appearing. Most of the notices came at the start of the competitions and, soon, online viewers learned they’d have to go to nbcolympics.com to watch the sport they were interested in. NBC, Cotton said, 99% of the viewership with only 1% going to illegitimate sites. Tracking systems, notices and other cues made that possible.

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Similarly, more aggressive surveillance has kept illegitimate uses of NBC content off YouTube. Two years ago, a Saturday Night Live skit called “Lazy Sunday” got 7 million viewings on YouTube. This September, a wildly popular skit that featured the return of Tina Fey to SNL in the impersonation of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin at a podium with uncrowned Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton got an estimated 250,000 views on YouTube. The skit, though, was watched more than 15 million times on NBC.com and a site partly owned by NBC, called Hulu.com.

The video entertainment industry should not follow the lead of the music industry, in creating a legal fracas.

“The point is not to bust people. The point is not to wind up in a confrontation. The point is to wind up with a framework and an ecosystem in the same way we have with physical products, where people get what the rules are and they’re able to follow them.”

“Our experience with the Saturday Night Live skit recently and with the NBC Olympics demonstrates that the vast majority of today’s broadband Internet audience is perfectly willing to do that.”

Cotton’s comments came during a discussion of “ZDNet Undercover: The YouTube File,” which can be downloaded here.

A replay of the Webcast will be online.

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Tom Steinert-Threlkeld is editor-in-chief of Securities Industry News, as well as a long-time media, technology and business journalist.

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Tom Steinert-Threlkeld is editor-in-chief of Securities Industry News, as well as a long-time media, technology and business journalist.

He experimented with online news delivery a quarter century ago, with a text-only online service called StarText at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in Texas.
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Magnificent Revolution
SoCooLBob Updated - 13th Nov 2008
I have to tell you I'm included in the world's NUMBER ONE Fans of this video/technology revolution. I've grown with it starting with words
and individual pictures that took too long to load in 1995. I progressed
by buying an outrageously priced digital still camera ... I trained to do
video at a community media center, then bought my own equipment
and another computer to do editing only.

Now, I can communicate better with my audience with products
YOU PRODUCE .. and YOU .. and YOU .. and YOU
http://www.socool.com

Indeed, in my God's Work Ministry Yahoo email today there was a reference to Perry Como, Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. As I passed my mouse over these names up popped a list of Perry Como songs and a search box to search for more. A list of Frank Sinatra videos included the entire version of Frank Sinatra singing High Hopes with 100 kids .. it played ... in it's entirety .. right inside my email. Now Look ??~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC18w-1_Wcs
I haven't yet clicked on Ella Fitzgerald, but, I've saved the email and I will.

This summer .. I created a "Virtual Fair" at
http://www.sonoma-marinfair.org ...
it includes 18 Customized Video Players ( I call them Television Shows) on just about every subject matter we could think of. There's the Cow Channel, The Chicken Channel, The Swine Channel ( NO PIGS) .. and, of course, The World's Ugliest Dog Contest Channel.
http://www.sonoma-marinfair.org/uglydogcontest.shtml

All the video players include PRIMARILY videos created and made "embeddable" by others. All except for me copying Gus, This Year's World's Ugliest Dog Contest Winner, and his being made a Patriot by Bill O'Reilly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNT_6GI1bbw
I guess that's Fair Use?

What a wonderful world. In a television appearance of my own
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak38tY40TUg
the young lady hostess asked .. what did people use to do when they needed directions ? ??~ She also pointed out, her favorite nieces and nephews will NEVER KNOW the World wasn't always like this.

( When I started in TV you had to spend $10,000 plus on a pilot that never saw the light of day .. anywhere. The odds of getting your pilot on the air, even locally, were 10,000 to One against.)

P>S> I'm currently looking for work ??? Can anybody help ???
What A Magnificent Revolution!
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Following accepted historical norms is fine if you are talking about doing things the same way they were always done. When you move into the future with technology, old norms need to be updated.

The reality is, people go to YouTube to watch videos. Why? Because it is ONE place. They don't have to jump to NBC, ABC, CBS, ESPN, and a zillion other places located all over the web. Convenience is the key.

If NBC really wants to be seen as forward-thinking while following the REAL WORLD norms, they should simply work out an agreement with YouTube to host their content rather than sticking it on the NBC site.

Oh, and BTW. Regarding the online Olympic video coverage, I have a word of advice NBC. Don't post your video content in a new video format nobody wants or needs no matter how much pressure you get from certain software companies. [Gives Microsoft a dirty look...] I arrived at the NBC site, saw it used SilverLight and promptly left the site VERY annoyed. There are already far too many video formats and I refuse to install more buggy bloatware from Microsoft just to view their proprietary format videos online.
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One more thing...
BillDem 13th Nov 2008
I forgot to mention the fact that I am really happy to hear that NBC recognizes how mentally-retarded the record companies are in their approach to digital media. Now follow that sentiment up with action and things will get better for all of us.

The record companies threaten, coerce, blackmail, persecute, prosecute, and generally attack their customers in a fit of blind rage without stopping for a moment to wonder why it is that their customers hate them and don't want to pay them any more money. Those idiot record companies think the attitude of their customers is the problem rather than realizing the negative customer attitude is simply a result of the record companies' own actions against their customers.

Look at my own situation, as an example. I own about 650 CDs and over 750 DVD/HD-DVD/BD movies and shows. I don't copy music and give it away. I don't give away movies or shows I buy, either. I am a REALLY good customer of big media companies yet, I am constantly inconvenienced and treated like a criminal by them. Why?

When I buy a CD, movie, or show, I expect to be able to listen to or view that CD, movie, or show on any media device I own. I don't think that is too much for a legitimate, paying customer to ask. If I bought it, I should be able to use it. But for some stupid reason, I can't. Why?

Big media spends huge amounts of cash creating new ways to prevent me from using the media I pay for. Their DRM efforts certainly don't limit the acts of criminals. It only affects me and others like me who are paying customers. It is completely ridiculous. I've had my computer system attacked by malware installed by big media on CDs and DVDs. I've had movies quit working on some of my players because of excessive DRM corrupting the data stream. I try to put a movie I buy on my iPhone and it refuses to let me. The list goes on and on. It sucks.

I feel like I'm in a constant battle to the death with the very same companies who I paid for their products. Meanwhile, the REAL pirates continue removing all the protections, the warnings, and the malware so they live a completely unfettered existence, passing the content freely amongst themselves.

Paying customers are being punished, while the real criminals have it easy. How does that make sense to anyone? Why do these companies keep doing it to me? I PAY for my media.

As a result, I stopped buying any music from RIAA member companies. I got tired of being treated like a criminal. If the movie/video industry continues down the same path, I will boycott them, too. Paying somebody to abuse me simply makes no sense.

My advice for the future direction of big media?
Simple.

Please let me use my legally-purchased media on any device I own and stop treating your paying customers like criminals.
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The Enlightened Record Companies
SoCooLBob Updated - 14th Nov 2008
Let me add a couple of things, which, the NOW ENLIGHTENED (that's a prayer) record companies will UNDERSTAND and IMMEDIATELY IMPROVE

There's one BIG CLASS of folks who upload videos to YouTube and then don't allow embedding ... Guess Who? Yes ... Record Companies

Pre-supposing that the purpose for uploading them includes the desire to have folks view them .. AND .. (guessing) they want them to view them from where the want them to view them .. namely .. THEIR CHANNEL on YouTube.

Allowing embedding permits even the slowest of viewers to click ONCE and BE THERE with all the features they might want including seeing it better, reading the description, making the video full screen, looking for links, and other recordings they might want to watch, FROM THE SAME RECORD COMPANY, Entertainer, etc.

David Letterman understands ( ?) Now .. so do the record companies, because they are CONSTANTLY ON THE LOOK OUT for ways to IMPROVE THEIR BUSINESS.

SECOND

I recently did video for two Northern California Fairs
The most expensive item at the Fair is ...
The Entertainment .. The Headliners

For years and years and years .. doing community media and now internet video ... the ONE CLASS of FOLKS least likely to ALLOW any sort of video were ... Those Headliners Associated With?

A RECORD COMPANY

They don't think of it as publicity. They don't think of it as advertising.
They don't think of it as anything other than STEALING THEIR MUSIC ... for which they are paid HANDSOMELY

Getting paid $25,000 A Show enough to allow some local folks to celebrate their performance? And advertise it? NO ???

Well, THANK GOODNESS
Now they are enlightened.
They now understand THAT A NETWORK is a GOOD THING
And that it's based, just a little bit, on the notion of SHARING.
(The Jonas Brothers sure seem to get it? They are EVERYWHERE)

P>S> I overcame this just a little bit several years ago .. with a lot of conversation with entertainers and managers ... unfortunately ... I don't always have time for the conversation .. AND .. the Fair employees "never do." They are too busy being thoroughly trained by the Entertainers they hire .. through booking companies .. with the PERMISSION of record companies ... etc. etc.

Thank Goodness
Now We Are All Enlightened
BE HERE NOW
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