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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?

By | September 27, 2010, 6:37am PDT

If federal law enforcement groups have their way your Facebook, BlackBerry and Skype conversations will be more easily intercepted via a wiretap, according to reports.

The New York Times reports that the Obama administration is prodding Congress to require all Internet communications—social networking and peer-to-peer conversations—to be technically able to comply with a wiretap order. According to the Times, messages would be intercepted and unencrypted.

Here are the two sides of the argument:

  • National security officials want wiretap ability. After all, wiretaps have been available for years and are an important investigative tool.
  • On the flip side, lawmakers want the Internet to act like the telephone system. That move could hurt innovation and privacy.

Where do you stand?

The argument could be made all day, but it ultimately comes down whether you trust the government to keep the decentralized nature of the Internet in tact.

Frankly, I could go either way. The Times notes that a lot of technical details have to be worked out. It’s also unclear how many investigations have been hampered by peer-to-peer and social networking technologies. In any case, developers would theoretically have to build in intercept capabilities. The topic is just developing, but it’s one worth examining further.

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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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this is not news.. this how it works
doctorSpoc 27th Sep 2010
i work in telecom.. everything we make has to have backdoors for law enforcement.. this is mandated by law if you want to sell your products in the US.. people seem to be surprised by this when this when it's normal and mandated by wiretap laws in the US..

NEWS FLASH!!!.. every text message, email, telephone call etc, etc can be intercepted and inspected by law enforcement.. they can even do deep packet inspection right on the routers if they want.. they have all these tools available to them.. and vendors are obliged to give them these tools to comply with US law.. the recent requests by India and Saudi is to give them access as law enforcement has access in the US..
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righty ho...
zeedeenut 28th Sep 2010
@doctorSpoc...to think that they aren't already doing this is silliness. the govt and military are at LEAST ten years ahead of the public in technology. anything you see in the media as being floated for public consumption is guaranteed to have been secret policy for a decade.
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@kddunwoody@... I'll give you the military, but 'govt'? come on... the government is way too slow to adapt... DMVs, D.o.Transportation/enforcement, and D.o.Taxation are good examples of little technology being used... what sectors are you referring to... Executive? Maybe Obama's administration, but does Bush even know computers exist? (Just kidding). Enlighten me.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
charles1957b 28th Sep 2010
@doctorSpoc

Thank you for the explanation of the KGB
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The Obama Administration is not concerned with terrorism and we know this for a fact. Case in point, 2,000 miles of virtually unprotected border with over 500,000 unknown foreigners who cross into the US yearly. The FBI/ICE/DHS have estimated we have well over 50,000 potential terrorist in the US as we speak. Yet Big Brother refuses to secure the border and instead wants to snoop on every American.

This bill allows the foot in the door to the government, by the click of a button, to go into your cell phone, Blackberry, computer or otherwise and check your personal files, phone numbers, etc. It is a violation of the US Constitution and you Bill of Rights.

Fight back, boycott paying your federal taxes!
@XelanBonn - they applied for visas, got them, got on a plane and simply walked off the plane and into the US.. you understand that right? why would terrorists try to get into the country through some border crossing in the dead of the night when they can simply apply for a visa and and come here on a plane instead?? and how do you weed these bad people out from the good people?
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you are deeper underground and harder to detect. It doesn't take a lot of brains to figure it out.
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Well, not really.
GabeFree 27th Sep 2010
@doctorSpoc

Your point is well taken if not completely factually true: a number of the 9-11 terrorists were "out of status", meaning they were no longer in the country legally. They did all appear to enter the country legally, however.

Question: with over a century of wire-tapping, mail snooping, and privacy invading by law enforcement, do we have a single documented instance where this prevented a terrorist attack against US citizens? We he have a single documented instance of this being used effectively against on-US-citizens or lawful immigrants? Not being difficult here, just that I see the cost side of the issue, but don't know what the actual benefits have been.
or some of the other pertinent facts like those that still do are now tracked more closely. Or that they;ve then realized it's easier to come in untracked through the mexican border. Or the estimate of otms (other than mexicans) coming over the mexican border every year is now 80000-100000, or the fact that terrorists from all over the middle east have been flooding into serval central american countries to come north over the border.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
jack_sprat2 30th Sep 2010
@doctorSpoc

The real use for such illegals would be the same for terrorists as it was for the Soviets. They are best used to provide logistical support in a way that isn't easily backtraced after an operation has gone sour. Since they have neither apparent connection to the operators nor any relationship to known social networks of affiliated foreign nationals, they're all but indistinguishable from the background in an open, 'diverse' society lie ours. They can buy things and leave them in places that cannot be backtracked and put together, much less prevented easily or at all. They can provide untraceable transportation to materiel and operatives and other facilitators. They can hand off untraceable cell phones and weapons to people they've never met, whose faces they never look at. That's elementary tradecraft, friend.
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@XelanBonn "boycott paying your federal taxes!"
Please don't take this advice. Federal prisons already are overcrowded.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
cyberslammer 27th Sep 2010
@zamboj@... They won't be once pot is legalized.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
cyberslammer 27th Sep 2010
@XelanBonn That's 500,000 voters for Obama...they don't care about the borders, if they did we would have it secured and armed by now.

They want someone to come in and attack, that'll just give them more justification for more power and to take our liberties away.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
hmoulding@... 27th Sep 2010
@cyberslammer Don't be absurd. We allow about 10 million people into the country every year. Most of them leave when they're supposed to. Those who remain behind don't vote, since they're not citizens.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
jack_sprat2 30th Sep 2010
@hmoulding,

Good joke, son. In an average year, since about 1980, some 3,000,000 have stayed more or less permanently. Also, not a few of them most assuredly HAVE voted. That's precisely why the Democrats in California (and elsewhere) insisted on 'Motor Voter'. They weren't getting enough votes anymore from the graveyards in places like Cook County, Illinois.
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That darn Obama.
clfitz 30th Sep 2010
@XelanBonn
He should've had that fence built by now. What was he thinking?

I'm sure Bush, Clinton, all the others back to Washington, had GOOD reasons for leaving the border open. Probably so they had plenty of cheap labor for housekeeping.

And I'd suggest that you start the boycott, since you're so evangelical about it. When you get out of prison, kindly let the rest of us know how much progress you caused to be made.
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Terrorism financed by Superpowers
neeeko 27th Sep 2010
Terrorism has always been sponsored by Superpowers (USA, Israel, etc.) to justify attacks against pre-designated geostrategic targets. Reread your history and all the BS they try to brainwash you with and there you got War on Terror (ahahaha)
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@neeeko Hear hear!!!
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HAHAHAHA that was so stupid it was funny
Johnny Vegas 28th Sep 2010
Time for your meds
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
janice33rpm 27th Sep 2010
Wow - very interesting. Google to an article, "Social Networking and the Blended Environment." It's by the author of I.T. WARS (should Google that too), David Scott. Very illuminating - we use his book at work; parts for orientation of new hires. Great stuff.
It's not federal law enforcement agencies, it's the Obama administration. Quit protecting him by making it look like he's just responding to pressure from the cops.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
hmoulding@... 27th Sep 2010
@frgough Sure, and before that it was Bush II and before that Clinton and before that Bush I and before that Reagan and before that Carter and before that... do I need to go on? The federal executive has too much power, and Congress hasn't the gumption to put the reigns on. Nixon was the last one they did anything with; they pretty much stopped trying since.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
charles1957b 28th Sep 2010
@frgough
You really must be kidding us. Everything wrong with the country is less than 2 years old. This is only understandable if you moved here from the Fiji Islands in 2008.
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neeeko: true that superpower countries have their own expertise in computer hacking so they're able to wiretap other countries.
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What about throw away phones? Used once and garbaged canned no tracking with these.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
RTucker@... 27th Sep 2010
About time...

While it is unfortunate law abiding citizens must yield some privacy because of the unscrupulous few that this is meant to monitor I think it is a necessity in this day and age of terrorism / counter terrorism.
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wrong planet
pgit 27th Sep 2010
@RTucker@... I of course expected this response. Further proof that I landed on the wrong planet.

Can someone point me to the planet that's evolved a million years more than this one? Where everyone isn't their own worst enemy and has no clue to the fact?

Sorry, but I elbowed with some serious power brokers back in the day, the types that were in and out of the white house to "set policy," and what you hear in public is so far off reality you're being laughed at by the elites for believing any of the tripe they hand out in news media and other controlled sources.

A bunch of non-practicing "Muslims" with hangovers and box cutters made the entire US military stand down for an hour an a half... that's rich.

My hat's off to the builders.
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As Ben Franklin said:
zeedeenut Updated - 28th Sep 2010
@RTucker@... "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Your owners in the NSA and other so-called intelligence agencies (aka secret societies) etc already know that you would ignore this axiom, and so continue to foment false flag terror operations like 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Beslan Oklahoma City, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, U.S.S. Liberty, the Lusitania, The Maine, the list goes on and on, so they can tighten the noose around your pathetic little neck. Wake up and smell the Fascism (aka Corporatism). Read Tarpley's "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA" for a little reality check, bucko. While you're at it, check out "Web of Debt" by the great Ellen Brown if you want to know why. Lest I forget, a must read is "The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline" by James Perloff
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
cyberslammer 27th Sep 2010
I'm about to deactivate and dump my Facebook account anyway...I'm amazed at the amount of information people on my friend list put out there, I could make a mint breaking into homes while people are on vacation....

Use some common sense people!
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thank God
pgit 27th Sep 2010
I had common sense to look at the service and see it for what it is.

(aka never threw my face on the 'book' in the first place.

"Book 'em, Danno!" =P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Five-O

Occam's razor.. wink
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Choice?
Dogcatcher 27th Sep 2010
In the fall of 2008, we though we had a real choice between candidates McCain and Obama. Doesn't look like there is much daylight between 'em when it comes to invasion of privacy in the name of national security.
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What about Open Source and free encryption technologies?
or for that matter, what about VPN connections and other secure communications such as TOR,PGP or Truecrypt?
Is it illegal to use these in the US if they aren't 'sanctioned' by the government, or will the next step be to make these illegal?
If Skype or Facebook allowed you to use whatever plugin you wanted to encrypt your communications would they be shut down?
If 'The Feds' have access to 'root' any router or computer, don't criminals have this access as well? And how then can foreign governments trust US products.
There is a line, or there used to be, between Judicial Oversight and What the Feds Want. That line where technology is concerned seems to have completely disappeared, and in the Internet space for some reason the Federal Government claims complete access to everything without judicial oversight. (DMCA, ACTA etc.)
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I say what they are trying to do is cut the grass with a chainsaw. It wont work, it hasnt worked, they are just pulling at straws.

Hell, i could just mail a letter to my terrorist buddy at a random business or PO box.

stupid laws that only catch lazy criminals.
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
urban-lurain 27th Sep 2010
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
hmoulding@... 27th Sep 2010
I think if the government's argument is supposed to make sense then they should be requiring that all gloves sold in the country have the finger tips cut out so that people using gloves still leave finger prints behind. The entire premise for the government's position is silly. Sure, investigations have not been able to get at certain communications, but that's nothing new. There are many aspects of daily life that the government can't easily keep an eye on. This is another. It won't be the last, either.
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Anyone else notice that over the past decade the United States government has adopted most of the practices we held up as horrible human rights violations when other countries were doing it years ago? Our government is becoming the terrorist organization we will all fear most at some point.
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DoctorSpoc is absolutely correct.

Our Gov't has the master key,etc.. to every software program sold in the U.S.

The FBI,CIA,NSA, etc... need a new law to wiretap Facebook,etc..What people post on these websites is instantly public information for the ENTIRE WORLD TO SEE.

In New York State a judge ruled within the past few days that a furniture company can legally subpoena all historical records from Facebook of a person who is suing the company claiming their "way of life" was ruined after an accident involving a product of theres. Of course the person and his/her lawyers are appealing the decision.
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but at least they won't be able to blame low uptake on nobody being able to find it...
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RE: Ready for the Facebook, Skype wiretap?
jack_sprat2 30th Sep 2010
Why I say 'H***, no!'

I assume that the NSA can and does have routine access to anything that really matters to the ACTUAL security of the nation, with the possible exception of anything encrypted with a 256-character string. (Of course, in my opinion, the occassional suicide bomber or pilot is most definitely NOT among these. No responsible adult would risk exposing the true extent of means and capabilities by reacting to such trifles....And you can stop your howling--I obviously wasn't including YOU among the small number of 'responsible adults', given your childish response.) If they can't do so, with some 30 years at multiple tens of billions of dollars per, with ironclad security regs and enforcement, plus access to the very best brains, then they're bloody well not doing their jobs. That said, there's no need to allow an unfettered trammelling of our liberties, merely so that we can box shadows, prevent the occassional malcontent, or make yet one more absolutely meaningless drug bust. If our lords and masters were truly interested in securing our peace and tranquility, then they would abandon their unconscionable drug wars, bullwhip our Tim McVeighs before speedily executing them, and 'leave no two bricks together' when the next Taliban gets out of line. Permanent standing armies in foreign lands for the benefit of Cheney's friends at Blackwater and the big construction firms and defense contractors aren't MY idea of sound policy, foreign or domestic.
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You are a fool.....
todbran@... 1st Oct 2010
if you think that this isn't already in place and being used!
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good idea about facebook
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