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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help

By | August 25, 2010, 3:10am PDT

Summary: The Recording industry says the Digital Millennium Copyright Act isn’t working anymore. And it still want web sites to help identify copyright violators.

Will Hollywood ever be satisfied?

It was only a few months ago that a district court judge credited the Digital Millennium Copyright Act for working “efficiently” as part of the ruling in the Viacom vs. YouTube case.

That ruling found that YouTube was complying with takedown notices from copyright holders when informed of copyright violations. That’s a key element of the DMCA because it keeps the burden of proof of copyright violations on the right party: the copyright holder.

After all, it’s a tall order to expect YouTube to determine which copyrighted works on the site are there in violation of copyrights and which ones are not. Many copyright holders put their copyrighted work on YouTube for the exposure.

Now, RIAA President Cary Sherman, while speaking at a conference in Colorado this week, said that the DMCA is no longer working for content creators and later suggested, in response to a question, that the matter be put before Congress, according to a CNET report. Sherman said:

The DMCA isn’t working for content people at all. You cannot monitor all the infringements on the Internet. It’s simply not possible. We don’t have the ability to search all the places infringing content appears, such as cyberlockers like [file-hosting firm]

Sherman maintains that the 1998 Act has loopholes that allow broadband providers and Web companies to skirt past the law and disregard the illegal activities of their customers.

Give me a break.

By his own admission, Sherman is saying that the Internet is so vast that it’s impossible to police it - and yet he expects individual Web sites to do it for him. And let’s be frank about this: if the RIAA doesn’t “have the ability” to look for infringing content, that sounds like a problem that RIAA should be addressing by either beefing up its enforcement efforts or investing in technology to help address this problem. It certainly shouldn’t be the responsibility of a Web site operator or broadband provider to use its resources to search for violations of someone else’s copyright.

And it’s not Washington’s place to make these Web site operators do this either. And Sherman seems to be backpedaling on that part. In an update to the CNET post, Sherman clarified that he’s not seeking new legislation. Congressional action would only be necessary, he said, to “formalize a voluntary deal with partners such as broadband providers.”

Huh?  Why would it take an act of Congress to “formalize a voluntary deal?” First of all, I can’t imagine why broadband providers or Web companies would ever agree to change something that 1) the RIAA asked for and 2) a judge said is working just fine. Still, if RIAA can cut a deal with the broadband providers and Web sites and it’s a voluntary deal, can’t some lawyers just draw up some papers to formalize it. After all, we know the RIAA has plenty of those - lawyers, that is.

Here’s a thought: quit paying those same lawyers to sue people and start shifting some of those dollars from the legal budget into technology to help identify violators. If search engines can find a way to index the entire Internet and startups like Shazam can create mobile apps to identify a song just by “listening” to it, then I’m sure there’s some technology out there to help the RIAA with its problem.

If there isn’t any such technology, then… well, entrepreneurs, here’s your chance to develop some technology for a group that desperately needs it.

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  • Oh, it's not fair and it's really not ok
    It's really not ok, it's really not ok,
    oh you're supposed to care,
    but all you do is take, all you do is take...

    In other news, music is having its best ever years, with sales of tracks reaching the highest ever recorded figures surpassing 1.5 billion units in the US for the second consecutive years:

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100106007077/en/2009-U.S.-Music-Purchases-2.1-2008-Music

    You'd think the RIAA would be happy, but sadly the RIAAs record companies are NOT the ones making the money now. See the chart below it's not pretty, even if they held their 2007 slot, they'd be less than 30% of the US track sales.

    http://mattbrundage.com/music/riaa/

    On the other hand, if RIAA sales have continued to slide, they're probably only 20/25% of track sales now.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    guihombre
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    @guihombre

    These companies are the EPITOME of greed. I usually don't say that, I think capitalism is a good thing in some cases and not in others, but usually think it's a good thing.

    In this case however, I am getting seriously tired of the RIAA/MPAA WHINING about 'not making enough money because of piracy' when they FORGET the F A C T that most people who download things illegally? CANNOT AFFORD THE REAL THING IN QUESTION!

    So they are losing little if any money.... and WOW!!!!!! If they LOWERED THEIR PRICES.... they might sell 4-7 times the volume that they are today (if they didn't include DRM and other anti-consumer things) and would make MORE money in the long run than they are today!
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Lerianis10
    25th Aug 2010
  • capitalism != greed and vice versa
    @Lerianis10

    capitalism != greed and vice versa

    capitalism is an economic system that primarily involves private individuals and corporations and can be self regulating very simply by consumers refusing to buy from sellers (private individual or corporation) that do not align with the consumers' requirements

    greed is excessive desire, especially for wealth and/or possessions

    greed exists in every economic system; greed is most visible in capitalism because in limited amounts, it is encouraged and rewarded. greed is just as prevalent in other economic system, it is only better hidden because it is not directly rewarded
    ZDNet Gravatar
    erik.soderquist
    26th Aug 2010
  • Also
    @Lerianis10 The RIAA has repeatedly lost price-fixing lawsuits. Catalog tracks should cost 10 cents, new ones 25. I know I'd pay for them if that were the case.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    erikswanson
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    @Lerianis10

    I agree with your statements on capitalism. It is a very good thing, but when you get greedy cartels like the MPAA, and RIAA, you are talking practically a MONOPOLY... to be [inter]national you have to be a member of the cartel. THEY set the prices, not the artists. THEY control distribution, not the artists.

    I too am, and have been for years, tired of the banter from these cartels over their over-inflated losses. Shoot, if they can say that they abolutely lost X-amount of revenue with 100% accuracy... they should patent the process and make money from that. Outrageous prices aside, it doesn't justify the piracy, but I agree, those who can't afford it and want it, or those who'd never spend a penny for it to begin with are not the best numbers to include in sales losses. Losses, yes; sales losses, no, as they weren't or couldn't fork over the money anyhow. The ease of access to piracy may distract from sales, but those who couldn't or wouldn't doesn't. But then again, while it's still not right, some listen to the pirated versions before making decisions on "supporting the artist" because they like the material. I put "supporting the artist" in quotes as the vast majority of the money from sales do not make it back to the artist.

    I'm with you on getting rid of the worthless DRM. It's a bad investment at any price as the pirates have it broke in a short amount of time. Some publishers have even got downright evil with the amount of DRM present. For an example, is a game publisher, Ubisoft... ALL their PC games now, even the ones not played on-line DEMAND an Internet connection to even play. Server or Internet problems keep you out of the game, or get you kicked out the moment it is detected.
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    DaemonSlayer
    25th Aug 2010
  • We don't have capitalism anymore.
    @Lerianis10
    Ever since the birth of the MegaCorporations, we haven't had capitalism. What we have now is Corporate Feudalism.

    As Duke Nuke'em said, "Hail to the King, baby!"

    As soon as they got large enough, the corporations started buying politicians, and that was the end of Democracy. What we have now is a illusion of choice, not real choice. When they started either suing, defaming, or buying out anyone that had a chance of competing, we lost the flimsy illusion of fair market and competition.

    The RIAA is no different. They're trying to get the rest of the world to do the job they should be doing, while sitting fat and greedy in their corporate castles looking down on the serfs that serve them while taking huge paychecks for themselves.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Zorched
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    For an example, is a game publisher, Ubisoft... ALL their PC games now, even the ones not played on-line DEMAND an Internet connection to even play. Server or Internet problems keep you out of the game, or get you kicked out the moment it is detected.

    @DameonSlayer, you're part of the problem. If you & others didn't play those stupid games, Ubisoft would soon be out of business.

    But you can't because you're a game addict and you're weak and Ubisoft is counting on that. That's why they get away with this.

    Wise up.
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    ahh so
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    @guihombre Wow, look at that chart. Digital track and album sales are UP while physical sales continue to fall. Actually kinda sad, because I still prefer physical items, but the sales are down because they're overpriced and most of the artists suck.

    Look at the top artist for 2009: Michael Jackson by a factor of 2:1, and that's only because he DIED. The Beatles are #3 and that's because, after all these years, you can't come up with a better group for sales out of catalog. (although Frank Zappa and Pink Floyd etc sell very well out of catalog)

    And vinyl sales are UP this year.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    big red one
    25th Aug 2010
  • greedy pigs
    people are tired of RIAA's gimmicks to sell expensive music.
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    Linux Geek
    25th Aug 2010
  • Kinda like asking (FORCING) stores to search customers for drugs!
    If you can't make a FAT PROFIT on your product's merits ....
    HAVE BIG GOVERNMENT DO IT FOR YOU!
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    kd5auq
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    @kd5auq

    Agreed. This is just like assuming that everyone is doing something illegal and searching through all of their boxes when they leave a store.... not acceptable in real life, not acceptable on the internet.
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    Lerianis10
    25th Aug 2010
  • best buy
    @Lerianis10

    Our local best buy does that; search customers leaving the store.

    I knew a fellow that worked there for a time and asked him if there was a problem with theft. "Oh yeah!" was his answer.

    But he admitted they could spot a thief almost every time by 'profiling,' and almost always the profile is under 20-somethings.

    Teens and 'young adults' up to around 25 are the generation that has grown up expecting everything to be free.

    But to "be fair," BB shakes down everybody... with a nice smile. TSA could take a lesson or two outta our Best Buy.
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    pgit
    26th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    I'm sure that everyone will gladly give them the same level of cooperation that they've given us through the years.
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    KNPepper
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    Maybe the Recording industry should do some work in advance for the RIAA:

    Build a website where the consumer can buy/download a copy of a game, song or movie for a decent price, without drm technology included.

    2nd: do they know how many 'customers' download a movie (for example) first, to see if they like it, before buying? They'd better find out what is really happening out there (that is outside their Ivory towers) as the pace goes quicker than they can keep up with (for the last 2 decades..)

    Now the RIAA can 'try' to find out how big their problem is...
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Arnout Groen
    25th Aug 2010
  • RE: RIAA can't search for copyright violators; still wants Web sites to help
    @Arnout Groen

    Agreed. Personally, I do the second thing listed quite a bit and usually find out that the movie in question is NOT worth purchasing in the slightest.

    The only time the inverse was true was with the Transformers movies and the first Spiderman movie.

    Add to it that I am PAYING FOR CABLE and most things on DVD WILL be on cable (albeit at degraded quality) sooner or later? Yeah, I feel NO pangs of conscience by downloading things to view them.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Lerianis10
    25th Aug 2010

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