Between the Lines

Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Schmidt's privacy flap and Mozilla's potential revenue diversification

By | December 11, 2009, 3:48am PST

Summary: Google CEO Eric Schmidt says your privacy doesn’t exist and a mini uproar ensues. Even one of Mozilla’s director of community is giving Bing an endorsement over Google after Schmidt’s comments. Let’s connect a few dots.

Google CEO Eric Schmidt states the obvious—your privacy doesn’t exist—and a mini uproar ensues. Even Mozilla’s director of community is giving Bing an endorsement over Google after Schmidt’s comments. Let’s connect a few dots.

First, there’s Schmidt’s statement, which was delivered on CNBC.

“I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines–including Google–do retain this information for some time and it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities.”

CNet News’ Ina Fried chronicles the flap. To a few folks: Mozilla Director of Community Development Asa Dotzler, security guru Bruce Schneier and the Electronic Frontier Foundation Schmidt’s comments expose that Google is evil (or at least getting there). The reality: Schmidt is just outlining life on the Web. You are being watched and you kind of like it. And Google’s plan is to delight you with products in exchange for your data. We’re all Google-tethered zombies who go about life without a hoot for privacy. Maybe in a decade or two we’ll realize Google is Skynet (only half kidding).

Here’s where things get interesting, Dotzler says it’s easy to switch to Bing if you’re worried about Google privacy.

Most people will argue the merits of Bing vs. Google, but I see revenue diversification. Sure, Mozilla may be making a stand against Google in the name of privacy. If so, Mozilla is risking a lot (Google search bankrolls the foundation). The alternate view is that Mozilla is just opening an opportunity for Bing revenue.

I’ve been told by more than a few people that Mozilla doesn’t think that way and I believe them. Only capitalist cynic pigs like me think that Mozilla could possibly entertain touting Bing in the name of future revenue. It’s just not in Mozilla’s DNA to use something like Schmidt’s comments as negotiating leverage in the future.

Nevertheless, you can connect the dollar dots should you choose. Now would Mozilla really make Bing a default in its browser? Sure. Would Microsoft go for it? You bet. Microsoft and Mozilla are rivals in browsers, but the software giant would gladly cut a search deal with Mozilla if it meant more search share. In fact, Microsoft may double whatever Google paid just for giggles.

Dotzler is right. A new search in Firefox is just a drop-down box away. Will Google get the message?

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Larry Dignan is Editor in Chief of ZDNet and SmartPlanet as well as Editorial Director of ZDNet's sister site TechRepublic. He was most recently Executive Editor of News and Blogs at ZDNet. Prior to that he was executive news editor at eWeek and news editor at Baseline. He also served as the East Coast news editor and finance editor at CNET News.com. Larry has covered the technology and financial services industry since 1995, publishing articles in WallStreetWeek.com, Inter@ctive Week, The New York Times, and Financial Planning magazine. He's a graduate of the Columbia School of Journalism and the University of Delaware.

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RE: Schmidt's privacy flap and Mozilla's potential revenue diversification
dsfwrryd32-24353600993189123216773693375797 5th Nov
ufrkpy,good post!
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MS vs. Google
gtvr 11th Dec 2009
Outside of this specific quote (because really, it applies to any company that keeps data about you) - there needs to be some pressure on Google in the search arena, but if it's MS that wins, we're just adding size to a different monster. But can a smaller startup challenge Google? Probably not.
Browsing mode that allows you to keep your search history and data on thesis statement your PC and not transfer it to their data center. Google Chrome does not even want to offer such feature.
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So what Dotzler and others are saying...
jasonp@... 11th Dec 2009
is that Bing isn't subject to the Patriot Act? Wow...must be good to be Microsoft and have laws on the books that only affect the "little people".
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No, that's not what they're saying.
jedidethfreak 11th Dec 2009
Bing doesn't collect your personal info like
Google. That's the whole thing about it - since
it doesn't collect personal info, it will give you
straight search. Doesn't always work out, but at
least they're trying.
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Thanks
DustyU 11th Dec 2009
I didn't know that about how Bing works vs Google. I'm switching my business & personal computers over to Bing this morning!

again thanks
DustyU.WordPress.com
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re: No, that's not what they're saying.
none none 11th Dec 2009
Bing doesn't collect your personal info like
Google.


What is that supposed to mean? I can see a couple of reasons why that doesn't matter:

1) Google only knows what you tell it. If you don't give it personal information, then it doesn't have any.

2) Bing collects your IP address. If your IP address pops up in a federal scan of the search queries they seized from Bing, it's just one more letter to your ISP to get your name and address.






happy
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re: No, that's not what they're saying.
samofdetroit 14th Dec 2009
IE8 provides the "InPrivate" browsing mode that allows you to keep your search history and data on your PC and not transfer it to their data center. Google Chrome does not even want to offer such feature. They know it would mean weakeing their search tremendously.
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I don't think they would be that stupid because that will
be the end of Firefox. Microsoft will have no problem
though: the colour of money and power are the same from
either side.
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They'd do it
jedidethfreak 11th Dec 2009
For the search market share jump they'd get. I
don't think it would work out, because people who
use Google will just set Google to their home
page, but I wouldn't doubt for a second that MS
would go for it.
This is one of the many reasons I have dropped Google. Online privacy doesn't exist at Google, but it exists elsewhere and that is where I go. Schmidt should join his fellow colleagues and start playing with the office toys all day, that is about the only thing is company is good for.
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"it exists elsewhere"
IT_User 11th Dec 2009
Why don't you share your insider's knowledge so others can follow your apparent-sage lead?
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Sure
Loverock Davidson 11th Dec 2009
Don't use Google's products or services or anyone else that claims any data of yours becomes theirs and they can sell it for a profit while you don't see a dime. But more specific, you can use anonymous proxies for web browsing, Firefox has some good privacy extensions, and there are alternative search engines aside from Google.
  • Flagged
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If you really value your privacy
gnesterenko 11th Dec 2009
You need to keep using Firefox but with the NoScript plugin. There are elements of your information you have control over, and then there are the data-mining scripts that pop up on almost every website out there. Been blocking Google Analytics for a while now, along with a lot of other stuff.

This kind of reminds of an incident I guess about a year ago. Don't have the link anymore, but a bunch of Google search logs were leaked online. Not only were they leaked, but they were also tied together via I am assuming IP addresses, which allowed folk to lump all searches from each computer together.

The results were at times, funny, but many times, disturbing, and always very invasive of the users privacy. The worst search string went something like this: Unappreciated at home > possible affair at work > what to do after an affair > extra-marital pregnancy > divorce > and it went further, occasionally from the view-point of the childeren of the family, and got worse. THere were others, but I don't even want to bring them up, because some were obviously coming from very dark places.

Apparently Mr. Schmidt doesn't think the above examples aren't anything people would ever want to keep private. But on the other hand, he does bring up a good point. If you are online, you are being watched. The question is, how close/intensive is the scrutany and weather you are simply watched, or full out data-mined. And finally, what can you REALLY do about it. NoScript helps, but it is a far cry from adequate.

Here is a fun experiment: Do a google search on your own name and see what comes up. Actually I would call this experiment necessary if you are applying for any higher paying position, because you can be almost sure your perspective employer is going to do the same. It helps to know what info is out there about you.

There are also companies you can employ to do a very extensive research of the info available about you on the web, and you can also pay them to help you get the less desirable elements removed. Actually a buddy of mine from School was a partner in one such start-up, but it ended up being bought out and I'm not sure what its called anymore. Lol, I'm sure you can do a Google search for one though! (pun intended)

"The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."
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words
dhays 14th Dec 2009
scruatany: scrutiny
weather: whether
perspective: prospective

one mispelling and two wrong words.
Other than that, good perspective on privacy on the net.
A Google search on a name yields links to other companies that gather personal information, details for a price, and sometimes with differing information about the person seached for. (differing birthdates, phone numbers, etc.)
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The CMIC speaks again!
linux for me 11th Dec 2009
Schmidt is absolutely correct, there is NO privacy on the net.

Any data stored on the net eventually will become exposed. This is why cloud computing is going to fail, and fail miserably. If you don't want any one to see your stuff, don't post it. It's as simple as that. Otherwise, it will eventually become public information.

We all know you hate Google, and for no reason, but please shut up about it and keep the site cleaner for all the others.
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I don't completely agree
TroutHound Updated - 11th Dec 2009
Your data can be made available to the authorities. That doesn't mean
that under normal circumstances your data will be exposed for all to
see. In most cases nobody really cares about you anyway. The pictures
you store in your
Picasa albums, the Google spreadsheet and documents you store in
the cloud, your health records in Google are restricted to whomever
you choose to share them with. I don't think that these are available
for casual public viewing.

Perhaps you're thinking of more sinister scenarios. Your would be
employer or ex-wife is snooping around. I don't see how these
people could legitimately access your private data in the cloud. (I'm
not thinking of hacking into your account.)

I don't believe you're correct that cloud computing will fail. People
will throw caution to the wind to gain convenience.
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All it would take is one hacker...
jedidethfreak 11th Dec 2009
I mean, look at East Anglia.
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Fortunately, Google Security...
mejohnsn 11th Dec 2009
is a lot better than at the University at East Anglia.

Of course, that doesn't make it impossible for such a hacker, but it does make it a lot more difficult. That is all you can ask for.

But wasn't this part of Schmidt's point? We have already lost a lot of privacy, there is no point on crying over spilled milk.

Then again, neither is there any point in overstating the case. Schmidt did NOT say we have NO privacy left.
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Specifically...
jedidethfreak 11th Dec 2009
This is why ChromeOS will fail.
Now I hate everybody. Google has become evil, Microsoft has been satanic for 20 years and doesn't know how to do any different, and Yahoo has become a cruel and 3rd-rate joke.

So what's a search-engine shopper to do? I wish I had the answer.
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iSearch!
bigsibling 11th Dec 2009
Coming soon...iSearch! It's pretty and well laid out. It only costs you .003 cents per search term. It's a bit slower than the others, but it's really, really pretty, and way cool. All the cool kids are using iSearch!
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Clusty...
JCitizen 11th Dec 2009
is the next best thing since sliced bread; I get better results than Google many times.

The only reason I don't use it ALL the time, is it doesn't work with various site advisers.

I have never read their privacy statement.
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Clusty rocks!...(nt)
JCitizen 11th Dec 2009
.
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Ever heard of Chrome
rpwillia 11th Dec 2009
I wonder if that has even more to do with it. I use Chrome, Firefox and IE in that order and Chrome is more compatible with most things I use. I am really starting to prefer Chrome although some of it's management features are still immature.

Could that also be part of the Mozilla urge to diversify it's revenue stream?
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Doubtful...
jedidethfreak 11th Dec 2009
If it was Chrome, Mozilla would have switched
during the beta.
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Google owns Chrome....(nt)
JCitizen 11th Dec 2009
,
Microsoft funded Apple during the bad years.
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No, they didn't
DeusExMachina Updated - 12th Dec 2009
Please get your facts straight and stop spreading this erroneous garbage.
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To the tune of $150 million
wolf_z 14th Dec 2009
MS bought common stock from Apple to the tune of 150 million dollars. That's a chunk of revenue by anyone's standards. It could certainly tide Apple over a few rough spots.

And Apple was having lots of difficulties pre-Jobs you know.
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signal to noise ratio
DeusExMachina 30th Dec 2009
"MS bought common stock from Apple to the tune of 150 million
dollars. That's a chunk of revenue by anyone's standards. It could
certainly tide Apple over a few rough spots.

And Apple was having lots of difficulties pre-Jobs you know."

And again, if you don't know what you are talking about, why are you
adding your voice to the fray?
Apple had several billion dollars in debt-free liquid capital at the
time, so no, 150M was NOT by ANY means a large "chunk of revenue."
It was inconsequential and given to their education division to help
fund discount programs.

As for their "difficulties," the stories of such were greatly exaggerated.
Certainly Sculley was NOT the best fit at Apple, and he was not
helping the company much financially, but they were NEVER in ANY
danger of going out of business.
Your comments are simply factually baseless.
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corporatespeak
pgit 11th Dec 2009
You don't get to be CEO of a company that large without being in on the biggest scam the world has ever suffered.

When he says "we all are subject to the patriot act" he's 1/2 right.

By "we" he means corporations like his.

The fact is no "law" (they are codes and regulations, not "law") of the corporation DBA "government" has ever applied directly to you and me, flesh and blood people.

The government doesn't have any authority to legislate any effect on any activity of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

But corporations are legal fictions given "person" status by that overarching corp DBA "government." They only exist by the graces of "government." They ARE "subject" to whatever congress dictates of them.

It's your choice whether you engage any nexus thereto, such as by agreeing to the terms of service at google or friend face... er, facebook. (or inking a "driver license" application)

For any of the code or regulations emanating from DC to apply to you, you have to have voluntarily entered into that status in full knowledge of the facts and consequences. Title 28 of their code makes it abundantly clear that the "US citizen" has knowingly, in full competence (knowing all facts, being of sound mind, of age etc) waived ALL of their unalienable rights.

Any "remedy" to be had is provided these "citizens" by the kindness of the overlords in the house and senate. Most people finding themselves across the bench from this "government" swiftly discover there is no remedy for them.

You have to be OJ to get "justice," which to most people is roughly "my way."

Since nobody's done that (competently, voluntarily become a "citizen") since Lincoln freed the slaves, we're talking a carefully crafted fraud here.

For one thing this explains why DBA "government" is hell bent on controlling "education" and cramming your children through it. By the time they apply for that "driver license" they have no clue what that check box that says "I am a US citizen" means.

You are NOT a "US citizen" by mere accident of birth. Go read the 14th amendment carefully, the key word is "and."
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Idiotspeak
DeusExMachina 11th Dec 2009
Yeah, how well is that same argument working for all the income tax
dodgers who used it to try to avoid paying income tax?
Hint: Not so well.
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pgit 12th Dec 2009
I wish there were some way to send a private message.... all I'll say here is "works for me," in the ussc even.

99% of folks who try to stand up against the man have no clue what they are getting into or even what they are talking about. I'll tell you this; the robes know exactly what the score is and they will be fair and honorable if they know you DO know what you're talking about.

BTW those people's fatal mistake is the first one; you cannot go on the offensive... hint hint. All you ever need to do is ask one question hint hint hint. Then the one thing they will consider is what is it you're really ultimately seeking hint hint hint hint hint.

If you want to rain on parades they will, shall we say, bend things a little to take you down. Happens all the time. Rule one: if you're hearing about it, whoever it is in the hot seat is fundamentally wrong.

Thankfully dba gov has more respect for me than you do.
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interesting...
pgit 12th Dec 2009
This just landed in my inbox:

It appears in the record of history that the states were reconstructed through a federal statute thereby negating the original constitutional structure.
These reconstructed states were converted from original states under the theory of Law of John Locke and common law, to the theory of Law of Thomas Hobbs ie International Law ie Civil Law. Thus all the federal citizens have civil rights not God given rights. The fiduciary relationship of office holders is not under the original constitution. Therefore, the legislature of California recommended in Ballot Pamphlet #12 to repeal the "effective date" of the California constitution in 1960 in lieu of the United Nations Charter Chap 55 and 56. See Rix testimony before congress. The current Congress is legislating under Private International Law for the reconstructed states. Google Thurgood Marshall's speech in Maui and you will see that he specifically says "the constitution did not survive the Civil War, in it's place is the 14th Amendment"

The conclusion is near correct, you are assumed to have waived unalienable rights for "remedy" through DC's code, which unequivocally is NOT law.

I repeat that the most important word in the 14th amendment is "and." The one in the "citizenship clause."

Couldn't resist, that landing in the inbox was just too convenient.
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Very interesting!!...
JCitizen 13th Dec 2009
Do you know of any book titles that follow this line of thought? I'd like to bone up on it!
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unfortunately no, but ...
pgit 14th Dec 2009
I can't think of a singular source for that kind of info, most of the like comes from people embroiled in some fight or other, the ol' mother of invention thing.

But the one book that put the cherry on top for me is "The CONstitution that never was" by a fellow I've since befriended, Ralph Boryszewski. Subtitle: "how the American people have been conned by lawyers."

Ralph, now 92, has a very interesting history. As a Rochester New York policeman the Royal Candian Mounted Police (RCMP) made him "mounty of the year" for 1968 for his advocacy for his profession. (ended up in court over representation at a constitutional convention in New York in '66)

At age 90 he was still winning dance contests, haven't heard in a while whether he's still entering any, though.

He's also the only person to obtain certain of the documents he used for researching his book. These include hand written notes of a few of the 'founding fathers' nobody had previously been allowed to handle. (belong to descendants)

And as far as I know he's the only man alive to ever see an official copy of the full "First Judiciary Act," which was the second act of the newly minted "constitutional" congress.

To this date that act has never been published and available to the public. He's working on getting it published along with his commentary at the moment.

Ralph shows this "act" was itself unconstitutional, (gross understatement!) as it totally wiped out Article III (judiciary) and replaced it. The act is over twice the size of the entire constitution itself, and "amended" it horrifically, which if you read the constitution (at Article V) must be accomplished via very specific means.

Passing a "law" creating an entire branch of the government, virtually replacing the entirety of Article III is not the prescribed method of amending the constitution.

BTW there are only two actual Article III courts in America, both have "international" in the name; international claims and international settlements. Reading their 'jurisdictions' is very telling, for example no mention of any "districts," ergo no nexus with any "USDC," which are in fact administrative (congressionally created, non-Article III) "courts."

Ralph proves they had wanted this kind of "judiciary" in the first place, but knew they could never get a constitution past the people if it included such a system. They in fact plotted to get that act through as soon as they opened the doors.

If you read Article III it is very vague when compared with I and II making the exec and legislative "branches." The reason it was vague is because they were actually writing up the "first judiciary act" in secret to fulfill this alleged "independent third branch" while trying to get the constitution passed.

Ralph quotes heavily from arcane writings of the times showing the 'founding fathers' (he calls them the 'founding scoundrels') were actually seeking to entrench the old line oligarchy into power on the continent.

There was nothing wrong with the articles of confederation... except that they adhered to the principles of individual self governance and a decentralized system, effectively empowering the little guy. They (articles) are in accord with the Declaration of Independence. The constitution is not.

I had nearly completed duplicating a big chunk of Ralph's research independently, when I heard him interviewed on a short wave radio show. I was floored. It rang so true, because what I'd seen was making me think the same thing.

Why is Article III so vague? Why did they write a constitution when all they were sent to do was amend the articles of confederation? Why did they even stay in session, the articles call for unanimity of all of the several states in order they be amended, and Rhode Island didn't send a single delegate, the "convention" should have been a dead letter right there? If this Article III makes "one supreme court" then how many judges are supposed to be sitting there?

After we met and talked, he told me I'm the only person he's met that had any kind of an organic grasp of this stuff, especially what it means in terms of consequences today.

For instance if you hold their feet to the lip service they pay their own constitution, you yourself ARE in fact that "one supreme court."

The court in DC they call "the supreme court" was not created by Article III, it was created by congress via the First Judiciary Act.

BTW another trick they pulled was they didn't fund, ergo actually establish any "supreme court" for the first couple sessions of congress, so there was nowhere to go to challenge anything congress and the president were doing, such as determining whether the "First Judiciary Act" was, well, constitutional or not.

Betcha didn't know that. Plus in their haste they'd neglected to include a congressional oath of office in the constitution. So actually the very fist act of congress was a "law" creating that oath.

So if they aren't "congressmen," are not authorized to "pass laws" until they have taken an oath, how could they pass a valid law establishing that very oath they claim is required? They'd taken no oath prior to the passage of that law... the original "punt."

It's always been that way in DC, nothing is new under the sun.

Ralph and I both got our initial direction from 19th century jurist Lysander Spooner. I can provide links to his most important writings.

"No Treason," which begins to reveal what Pat Henry meant when he said "I smell a rat" scurrying around Philadelphia: http://www.lysanderspooner.org/node/44

"Natural Law," how "all legislation is an absurdity" (indeed!): http://lysanderspooner.org/node/59

"No Treason N0. 6" is subtitled "the constitution of no authority," that plus the facts surrounding the creation of that document that Ralph has unearthed (and remember the winner writes history) are all you need to know.

This is all pretty much academic. What's really important is what the federal reserve and other central banks are really all about, especially what they've been up to recently. (and the near future is potentially quite perilous as a result)
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I rest my case
DeusExMachina 30th Dec 2009
Seriously, just stick to watching crap like Zeitgeist.
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Thank you very much!...
JCitizen 16th Jan 2010
A very thoughtful response! I am actually more familiar with constituional law than most blokes off the street, as I was involved in Title II firearms business for 20 years. You really get an eyefull, or else you will die on the vine in dealing with the BATF.

Fortunately that organization has done more to straighten up it's act after congress passed some modernizaton laws. My local agents are really good folks.

I hope you don't mind my copying your response for later study; and thanks again!!! happy
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How is Bing better?
none none 11th Dec 2009
Recommend Bing over Google? If the issue is the fact the government has the authority to seize your search queries from Google, how does switching to Bing enhance your privacy? MS is not subject to Patriot Act seizures?




happy
I think you're right on the follow the dollars approach, but I also don't think being capitalist automatically makes one a "pig". Google's gravy train is targeted search and advertising, for that they need more and more specific personal data on users to provide an increasingly compelling b-to-b and b-to-c service. Without that data a lot of ads are wasted.

***For Eric S. to say Google will not collect personal data for targetted advertising would be like saying Google are giving up on their business model (watch their stock tank).***

That said, browsers really aren't all that useful without a search engine, and Google's dominance must be frightening to companies themselves who want fair pricing, choice, and a broad user/client/customer base.

Announcing their setting the search default as Bing vs. Google is kind of silly and is more of a political/marketing statement than economic stick. It is fairly easy to change the default search engine in any browser...or punch in the website of an alternative search engine.

As an aside - some might argue that consumers are too dumb to switch. It always bugs me to hear business people talk about how stupid consumers are especially when they themselves are seen as consumers by other industries...and they probably wouldn't categorize themselves as stupid.

Bottom line, Mozilla is trying to attract more users with their "political/marketing" statements about privacy.
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The whole internet was piped into the government at some point in the past few years. They didn't need Google's cache to find out anything. Not many people said a word about it. I mean people worry about what they search being saved and then turn around and purchase things with a credit card that tracks where you shop. Then turn around and use the discount card at the grocery store that tracks exactly what you buy. People use the phone where their calls are tracked and most likely everything you do is tracked by your ISP anyway. Why all this concern about Google in particular?

The man simply told the truth. You are being tracked plain and simple.
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re: The whole Google flap always tickles me.
none none Updated - 11th Dec 2009
The whole internet was piped into the government at some point in the past few years.

I get your point, but that was a criminal act. If someone steals your computer, they pretty much have your data unless they're encrypted. It's kind of beside the point.

But you're right about our collective willful ignorance about what's going on behind the curtain. We want our goodies.










happy
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Does anyone remember the Communist witch hunt in the US?

What about The soviet union, North Korea, Pinochet's Chile?

I am not a "conspirationist" Those are historical, objective situations where the government has misused their powers.
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...the Communist witch hunt in the US
adornoe@... 11th Dec 2009
There were no witches to be found in that hunt... but,

There were plenty of communists to be found. In fact, they were there when McCarthy "hunted" for them, and they grew in power from then. In fact, there are plenty of them now openly within the government. You just have to open your eyes.

McCarthy was onto something back then, but not too many people were interested except those that needed to defend against McCarthy's charges. But you're partly right; there were no witches.
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There were communists
rarsa 11th Dec 2009
That had the right to express their ideology freely. They were hunted, banned, careers destroyed. Just for believing on something different than the government of the day.

You and I don't have to agree with them, we just have to agree on their right to express their ideas and ideals freely.
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You are missing the bigger points in the argument...
adornoe@... Updated - 11th Dec 2009
It is true that in the U.S., everyone has the right to speak his mind, including communists, and even Satan if he actually existed and was a citizen.

However, the point being argued back then by McCarthy and others was about the ideology whose intent was to undermine the government and country and the constitution from which it emanated.

Communism, no matter how you personally feel about it, is not conducive to allowing freedom of speech once it rises to power. Thus, if it had attained or ever attains power over the people of the U.S., you can kiss all of your freedoms good-bye, including your precious freedom of speech and of the press.

The whole idea back then and even now should be to not allow the communists to rise to any power over any part of America.

Would you allow any ideology to be preached if in order to attain all of its goals your freedoms had to be banned? If you are a communist, then of course, your answer would be, yes. But, for most Americans, even those in the democratic party, I believe the answer would be, no.

Question: how many communist countries value your freedom of speech? Would you miss it if it was ever taken from you?

What happened during the McCarthy era was not much different from what's happening now with the government looking out for any terrorist ties within our country. Should the government abandon the "hunt" for anyone with terror ties?
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RE: Bing? NOT! Are you kidding!?!
tdibble 11th Dec 2009
Switching to Bing is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire! Google tells it the way it is and we are shocked! NOT!

We all have known this, but we didn't think/talk about it because it makes us uncomfortable. So we didn't talk and think about it and we were blissful.

Now Schmidt has rubbed our collective nose in it and we are "shocked" and unhappy! But we need to get over ourselves and talk about it and discuss solutions. NOT just jump into the next nearest pan/fire. Bing is not a solution, Bing is not a decision engine, Bing is a $$ Vacuum engine. Don't kid yourself. MS did not get big and rich by being generous and stupid.
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RE: Schmidt's privacy flap and Mozilla's potential revenue diversification
dsfwrryd32-24353600993189123216773693375797 5th Nov
ufrkpy,good post!

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