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Sheriff: Craigslist is "single largest source of prostitution"

By | March 5, 2009, 9:51am PST

Summary: The Cook County Sheriff in Illinois (that’s Chicago, folks) will stand in front of a podium in just a few minutes to announce a lawsuit against online classified site Craigslist, calling it “the single largest source of prostitution in the nation,” according to news reports. Last June, the department arrested 76 men and women on prostitution-related [...]

The Cook County Sheriff in Illinois (that’s Chicago, folks) will stand in front of a podium in just a few minutes to announce a lawsuit against online classified site Craigslist, calling it “the single largest source of prostitution in the nation,” according to news reports.

Last June, the department arrested 76 men and women on prostitution-related charges in a Craigslist sting. Undercover officers had posed as customers who scheduled “dates” with women listed in the “erotic services” ads on the site.  The sting, called Operation Quiet Money, was a three-month investigation. In December 2007, four Chicago-area men were charged with using the site to run a prostitution ring that involved girls as young as 15.

A call to the sheriff’s department confirmed that the press conference won’t be webcast or broadcast. That’s a shame - erotic services ads certainly aren’t limited to the Chicago area listings. Craigslist ads are tailored for every major city in the nation (and a few minor ones, too) as well as some international cities. You would think that a sheriff taking on a big national problem like online prostitution (especially involving minors) would want to publicize his efforts on the very forum where the crimes are taking place - the Internet.

Instead, you’ll need to be pretty much be standing in front of Sheriff Thomas Dart in Chicago today to hear what he has to say. I’ll monitor news coverage and post a link to the press release once its issued (assuming they put it online and don’t make me come to Chicago to pick one up.)

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HawkCW4@... 15th Mar 2009
While you are at it, why not legalize kiddy porn so we can tax it too. We need the money and what the heck, the kiddies will get over it in a few years maybe. Lets see just how many ruined lives it takes to repair the sidewalk in front of City Hall... Get real people.

And please, never forget, we have the religious zealots to blame for all this lost revenue. Shame on them for what they do. And what is it that they do??? What percentage of Prostitutes are in the profession by choice? Yes some are there because for them its easy and it provides some sort of income, pimps get the most of the pie. But there are many who were abducted and violated by many trainers until they hated what they perceived they had become, and Prostitution was all they had left. You legalize sex for sale and the demand for new prostitutes will sky rocket, and the criminal element will swarm to provide the drugs and what ever else goes with the territory. You should be praising, and yes, even helping the religious in this fight.. Why are you not?
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Does raise some interesting questions...
John L. Ries 5th Mar 2009
...like does Craigslist actually do business in Illinois? While have a hard time imagining what sorts of "erotic services" would not be prostitution, and I wouldn't allow such a category if I was running the site, I don't think Cook County has a lot of recourse against Craigslist or its owners.

Under the circumstances, it might be better for vice squads to use Craigslist as yet another investigative tool, kind of like the Yellow Pages (lots of morally dubious businesses there). If word gets out that an advertisement in "erotic services" is an open invitation for the cops to investigate the person running it, I would suspect that many fewer prostitutes will want to promote their services in that fashion.
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What you say makes sense...
itpro_z 5th Mar 2009
...except that the Sheriff in question doesn't get his name and face on the news, which I suspect is what this is really all about.
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makes sense to me (eom)
ca1ic0cat 6th Mar 2009
necessary words here
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Will get thrown out......
linux for me 5th Mar 2009
CraigsList is a tool, just like a hammer, a car, P2P or BitTorrent software, (add other items here).

If I crack you on the back of the head with a hammer, you don't sue the hammer. If a car is used in a robbery, you don't sue the car. You can fill in the rest.

Just because CraigsList is misused, sueing CraigsList will not solve the problem, it will just move the problem somewhere else.

This lawsuit will be dismissed in time.
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No... but suing craigslist does cost them money
nucrash 6th Mar 2009
Craigslist isn't built on money and therefore is likely to suffer in the face of the law.

The law is a great thing as long as you have the money to fight. My brother always talks about legal matters (Cursed lawyer), and how cases get thrown out all the time. But even if that is the case, how often do you have to get a lawyer to get a case thrown out.

Much like suing GM because some idiot ran over you with their car, this case has no point or merit.
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Not Really
Onideus_Mad_Hatter 6th Mar 2009
For one, it's really not all about money, that's usually the cop out that people use to try excuse the fact that they really were at fault. When it comes to lawsuits it's the people with the most money that make the best targets, not the most likely to win a case. And those that have no money make the worst targets. After all, you can't squeeze blood out of a rock (unless it's your own).

Further, if you're sued you can simultaneously file a counter suit, which basically means if they lose or even if it gets thrown out...well the city of Chicago may be looking at having to pay Craigslist a significant sum of money, which certainly won't be limited to the cost of their lawyers, transportation, etc.

You have to be ~very~ careful about who you sue in this day in age, because it's basically a bet, and if you lose that bet...you're the one who has to pay.

Also, in line with the money matters, there are no shortage of lawyers who will work pro-bono if they're confident that they can win the case...and sometimes they don't even care if they win or not. If it's a high profile case the book rights alone may be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

In addition to lawyers working pro-bono there are HUNDREDS of organizations, charities and such that are specifically designed to "help the little guy fight the big guy", organizations like the NAACP for example, which can provide quality legal counsel for those that are the "have nots".
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Not built on money? Who do you
No_Ax_to_Grind 7th Mar 2009
think owns CraigsList? (Answer Google)
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I know of some people who have used craigslist to use "escort services"
Been_Done_Before Updated - 5th Mar 2009
Personally, i dont care about prostitution or those who buy it. I think the christians ( who originally backed it ) setup laws to keep their families clean. BTW if craiglist doesnt have an entity in illinois... the sheriff is out of luck.

The states are looking for money, why not make it legal and tax the crap out of it and regulate it.

Either way, its one of the oldest perfessions and it will never go away. Just like the whole drug "war"... but thats another subject.
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men use escorts for GFE
tahur@... 6th Mar 2009
Lots of men use escorts for a "girlfriend experience" when a man needs a surrogate girlfriend just to squire around to nice restaurants and talk about problems in his life with family or in his work. The ideal GFE does not necessarily involve physical relations. In the initial contact, there would be no discussion of physical relations as part of the relationship.
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Get Real
rpolunsky@... 6th Mar 2009
There are those who hire professional escorts as you describe. That's not what at least half of the listings under "Women Seeking Men" are offering, though. (I live in Houston, which is probably similar to Chicago in profile. The percentage in your area may vary.)

That said, Craiglist has a posted method in place to flag and remove ads offering illegal services and they do indeed remove such. They may be a moral enabler in some eyes, but they're by no means providing the sexual services. It must be somebody's re-election fundraising gimmick.
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Given The City of Chicago's Track Record . . .
Whyaylooh 5th Mar 2009
. . . regarding crime and politics, the reason they are doing this isn't to go out there to raise national awareness of the issue of prostitution on Craigslist -- hence why they aren't taking a national podium on this -- but rather on the issue that they aren't getting their cut.
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may be we are all wrong
Linux Geek 5th Mar 2009
Prostitution is the 'world's oldest proffesion'....literally.
Trying to ban it is more futile than the ban on drugs.
Some countries have wisen up and are getting a tax out of it rather than wasting time and money prosecuting and locking people up.
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
kwallacewarner@... 5th Mar 2009
I think that his own business must have been threatened and he was quashing the competition.

Sting operations are inherently immoral, just another way to say
" I am too dumb, fat, and lazy to catch real criminals, I am just going to create some and 'catch' them."

If someone is officially associated with Chicago or the state of Illinois, the presumption has got to be that they are corrupt.
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
journo 5th Mar 2009
it's to their advantage to have craigslist around: http://www.dcexaminer.com/local/Cops-use-Craigslist-in-child-sex-sting-40738642.html
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tghnoname@... 5th Mar 2009
They needed 3 months to figure that out?
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RE:Something wrong with this?
dirtydave1 5th Mar 2009
Is this a problem?
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
DataArchitect_MI 5th Mar 2009
I think he should and sue all the "Internets."
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alien3 Updated - 16th Mar 2009
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You have got to be kidding
Mirror Spock 5th Mar 2009
What a waste of money. Instead of going after robbers, child molesters, murderers and folks like Ken Lay, we're spending money going after folks who want to pay for sex? I find it amusing that you can give sex away for free with no problems, but tack on a price and whoa nelly it's illegal! Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

We should legalize it and tax it. Think of the revenue that would be generated. But it won't happen as long as the religious folks have their way.
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Your daughter? Your friend?
wls 5th Mar 2009
The reason this is such a thorny problem is that a) No minor is a prostitute. Minors are PROSTITUTED by adults; and b) Many Craigslist listings have been found to lead to human trafficking rings that pass slaves off as willing prostitutes, whereas they are actually forced through brutal means against their will. Authorities believe there are at least 200,000 slaves in the U.S. Many are underage sex slaves. So anyone who says "Don't the police have better things to do?" my answer is, no, they don't. Imagine that your daughter or friend is one of those 200,000.
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Abuse is one thing
mdsock@... 5th Mar 2009
But doing it by choice is another. Absolutely, if a child is victimized, then the law needs to get involved. The same is true if someone of legal age is forced into prostitution. But if a consenting adult chooses to make a living by providing sexual services, that should be up to them. I wouldn't want a 12 year old to be able to walk into a liquor store and buy a bottle of vodka. But we allow adults to do that all the time.

Prostitution should be regulated for health reasons and to insure that no one is being coerced (or is underage, which is the same thing), but it should not be banned for religious reasons. And let's not kid ourselves. That is the reason.

What I think of the sex trade isn't an issue. I'm not in favor of it myself. But we need to allow a certain level of freedom. People have to make their own choices and this should be one of them.

Because, as has been stated elsewhere here, they're going to do it anyway. It addresses a fundamental human need, that sometimes can't be provided for by a relationship. The rise of organized crime as a result of prohibition, with the attendant corruption and violence evidences the folly of trying to control morality by passing unrealistic laws.

And legalized prostitution would probably be safer than casual sex between strangers. That will still happen, but giving people an outlet under controlled conditions would reduce both the level of STDs and unwanted pregnancies. The latter would reduce the need for abortions, at least to some degree. Too bad the religious right wouldn't accept that, even if abstinence is at best a partial solution.

So legalizing prostitution would very likely provide some protection for both children and adults from being forced into sexual slavery. Granted, there will always be sick bastards who feel the need to take away a child's innocence or feel joy at causing another pain. And those should be punished to the fullest extent the law allows. And more, if it were up to me. But prostitution isn't the cause and never was. The dark aspects of the human soul is. And laws can't change that.
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Legalize it
jeffk464 5th Mar 2009
I agree 100% legalize it like it is in Nevada. Its regulated taxed, and kept out of the soccer mom parts of the city so as not to offend anyone. As far as I know they have far less problems in these brothels then you have in your average bars.
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Like in most civilized nations
notchakotay Updated - 5th Mar 2009
Legalize, like most civilized nations, in other words. As I just stated in another reply to another thread, the courts should step up and stay the hand of the State at the outer edge of the envelope of mutual consent created when adults indicate to each other, by word or by deed, that they wish to participate in sexual relations, irrespective of the nature of those acts or considerations of those participants within that envelope. This leaves the participants free to emerge from that envelope at their discretion and avail themselves of legal protection from coercion, and it leaves the State free to prosecute those who coerce or facilitate coercion--i.e., no refuge for abusers or pimps.
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Yeah yeah yeah
random301@... 5th Mar 2009
Sounds liker Craigslist is making it so the sheriff isn't getting his cut.
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Drop the age of consent while we are at it.
Too Old For IT 6th Mar 2009
(nt)
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Why, So You Can Molest Children?
Onideus_Mad_Hatter 6th Mar 2009
-nt-
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Slavery is a seperate issue
jeffk464 5th Mar 2009
It is your job as a parent to try to guide your kids to avoid drugs, prostitution, crime, etc. Quit trying to tell the rest of the world what they can watch on TV, what they can listen to on the radio, what they can smoke, when and how much to drink, and all other things that are none of your business. The American public is sick of it, that's why the religious right got tossed out of Congress and the Presidency.
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200,000
medezark@... 6th Mar 2009
As secretive as this black market in human lives is, how do they come up with a good round number of 200,000?
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Market Forces
Corsulian 6th Mar 2009
There's a market for sex slaves because there is [virtually] no legal market for sex.

And it doesn't matter. Craigslist did not make my hypothetical daughter an underage sex slave.
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Many "Slaves" Are Willing "Slaves"
Onideus_Mad_Hatter 6th Mar 2009
You may not like the idea much, but there are *LOTS* of people who really get off on the whole concept of being a slave, being sold, being owned, controlled, etc, etc. People like that will often willingly go along with such "slavery" practices and don't need to be "beaten" or coerced by any other means...usually that's the way people try and rationalize the situation because their mind just can't grasp that some people really do *WANT* to be "slaves". Rather they try and imagine the slave owners as horribly evil people who somehow brain washed them into it. It's just a sexual fetish/game, in both directions and for the most part is completely harmless so long as the participants aren't under age, are truly willing and have established "safe words".

Granted there are some who are forced into slavery, not just here in the US, but even abroad (be very careful about visiting other countries by yourself, always have other people with you), but the problem is not even remotely as bad as it's often portrayed, at least here in the US. Unless you're just absolutely ******* stupid in every direction imaginable there's almost no way that someone could "force" you to into slavery here in the US...or even if they did they'd likely get caught ~real~ quick. With as prevalent as video recording devices are these days and with the ever growing phenomena of video sharing sites like YouTube...yeah, you have no privacy...you just don't.
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Well...
gtg781w 8th Mar 2009
If prostitution was legalized and regulated then underage prostitution would not be as much of a problem, and the vice squads would have all of their resources freed up to focus on it. STD's and abuse at the hands of pimps would also no longer be problems, brothels would be operated like any other legitimate business.
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Totally agree...
cjvi 6th Mar 2009
It's completely hypocritical for the government to hold prostitution to be illegal, yet officially sanction gambling. Gambling used to be considered a nearly as egregious vice as paying for sex, but now not only is gambling legal, it's an officially sanctioned pass-time operated by the government! Perhaps the next new stimulus package the government should pass is to open up government-run brothels! It would certainly put people to work, and they would also presumably be "stimulated" in the process.
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you make a good point
thefoff 6th Mar 2009
regulation is always key...and works to
dramatically reduce or eliminate the real crimes
associated with prostitution, including abuse and
health issues. that seems to be the case in other
industrialized nations who have already gone down
this road.
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No, Im not kidding
HawkCW4@... 15th Mar 2009
While you are at it, why not legalize kiddy porn so we can tax it too. We need the money and what the heck, the kiddies will get over it in a few years maybe. Lets see just how many ruined lives it takes to repair the sidewalk in front of City Hall... Get real people.

And please, never forget, we have the religious zealots to blame for all this lost revenue. Shame on them for what they do. And what is it that they do??? What percentage of Prostitutes are in the profession by choice? Yes some are there because for them its easy and it provides some sort of income, pimps get the most of the pie. But there are many who were abducted and violated by many trainers until they hated what they perceived they had become, and Prostitution was all they had left. You legalize sex for sale and the demand for new prostitutes will sky rocket, and the criminal element will swarm to provide the drugs and what ever else goes with the territory. You should be praising, and yes, even helping the religious in this fight.. Why are you not?
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
kaiserdr 5th Mar 2009
With the economy in the dumps and unemployment at an all time high, is THIS all these guys have to worry about!

What happened to combatting REAL crime!

Several other cities, one or two of which are in Florida, where I live, have already made deals with Craigslist--strange part about that is the compromise is to have Craigslist charge MORE for those types of ads, but running them is still OK.

Also, some city police have been running ads to trap customers and charge them for soliciting.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but why don't the authorities focus on VIOLENT crime!
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
bill whitwly 5th Mar 2009
waste of rersources go after the chicago crime machine and leave the play toys alone
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
jimwork Updated - 6th Mar 2009
Sex should be allowed between consenting participants - with the exceptions of children and animals. It seems to me that Craig's list would be an ideal tool for the police to set up a sting. Don't the cops have anything better to do in Chicago, like dealing with drugs and gangs?
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
JohnRodger 5th Mar 2009
As the child of a prostitute who was murdered by her pimp
while I was young; I can assure you that young girls and
young boys are forced into prostitution everyday in this
country. It's one of America's 'dirty little secrets'. I urge you
to take a look at my newest novel 'Glamour to Die For' now
available on amazon.com and watch for the release of my
next novel 'Black Mountain Sonata' which deals directly with
child prostitution.
John-Rodger
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Your Mother Had A Choice
Onideus_Mad_Hatter Updated - 6th Mar 2009
And by "forced" you of course mean completely willing. There's a *HUGE* difference between actually forcing some one to do something against their will and a person using the excuse of "I have no other choice." to remain in an abusive situation. There are *LOTS* of womens shelters who will provide all the protection and more against any ~evul~ and nefarious pimp lords. LOL Your mothers death wasn't anyone's fault but her own. She had a choice...she *ALWAYS* had a choice...she just chose to ignore it and continue to remain in an abusive situation...until it got her killed. Don't get mad at me though, I didn't make reality, I just pointed it out for you. If you don't want to look at it then I would suggest you avoid bringing up such things with complete strangers on the Internet...and in your case the very obvious attempt to profit off of your mothers death via book sales. I'm sure your mother would be very proud, much in the way that she was whoring herself out for money, you're essentially whoring out your life story for the same. Like mother like son. ^__^
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RE: Make em register
david_beggs2001@... 5th Mar 2009
Thay could get a license in person at the courthouse. If thay are being forced thay can tell a cop.
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Yes, yes, yes
sir4taye@... 6th Mar 2009
That is a very logical and well founded solution, but that will not be heard by moral police. Our nation has a large investment in telling people what is good or bad. Reminds me of the taliban. If the police used their "scarce" funds for violent and property crimes instead of moral issues such as erotic services and drug use, they migbht actually make the world a better place. Instead we take an individual preference and create more criminal circles of even more demoralized and institutionalized citizens. The only reason theres crime associated with drugs and prostitution is prohibition due to moral code.
I have personal knowledge of both worlds. Few "Call Girls" do it under coercion. And the quality of life they live is better than most of the working class.
Tell this sherrif to go look for violence and theft, not vice. What a circle jerk!
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Government does define good and bad...
SinisterMatt 6th Mar 2009
With the exception of an anarchist system, telling people what is good and bad IS one of the things that government does: it essentially defines, through laws, acceptable social behavior. Making prostitution illegal is no different.

These laws are passed by what the majority thinks is right or wrong. It's not so much "individual preference" per se as it is what the largest voting block wanted. It's only in the absence of any government that "individual preference" dictates what is acceptable.

If you disagree with the law, work to get it changed, so that what is now "bad" becomes "good."
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... stand in front of a podium ...
Tony R. 5th Mar 2009
One stands ON a podium; one stands BEHIND a lectern. Why would the sheriff want to stand in front of a podium?
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist is
gary@... 5th Mar 2009
I Cook County, of all places, doesn't the Sheriff have any real crime to prevent? Prostitution should be decriminalized in any case. Then the Sheriff would have to protect the pros from violent pimps and johns. That's the only real crime associated with prostitution.
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RE: Sheriff: Craigslist and Prostitutes
ExploreMN 5th Mar 2009
Here I thought the largest source of prostitutes came from girls and women with no education, no self-esteem, a history of childhood physical and sexual abuse and severe daddy issues.

Good to know if we shut down Craigslist all prostitution would vanish!
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notchakotay 5th Mar 2009
Generically disagree. Sting operations are a legitimate and useful method of catching criminals by drawing them from beneath the rocks they hide under. That said, the method also is frequently misused by entrapping those otherwise would not commit a crime. In the case of prostitution, if the participants are adults, the courts should establish a rule that as soon as two people indicate by word or deed that have entered the envelope of mutual consent, the the hand of the law is with regard to either the nature of the activity or the considerations of the participants are concerned. This would leave room for the prosecution of those committing or facilitating coercion, and for a participant to change his or her mind.
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sting action is a crime on its own
dcdavy 5th Mar 2009
A heard this on a radio about a year ago. A guy drove in his car on a cold winter evening. He had his family in the car. He spotted a woman by the roadside who was waving her hand at the approaching car. He thought, maybe somebody needs a bit of help. He stopped the car, talked to her, and out of a sudden cops appeared, arrested him and put behind bars. They did not care that he's got his wife and kids in the car. That's what I call using law enforcement to commit a crime. Not only they busted a completely innocent guy, they showed me and many other people that to help other human being not only doesn't pay, it is severely punished in this land of freedom. Happened in Cook County.
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Stings, no -entrapments, yes
notchakotay 5th Mar 2009
Even for Cook County, that's hard to believe. They couldn't legitimately charge him with a crime unless someone proffered or requested "services" and someone requested or offered to pay. Even then, if both actions were on the part of one person, only that person committed a crime, and if both were done by the undercover officer, it is the officer committing the crime.

Not saying the story is untrue, but either it's incomplete or the police were illegally entrapping. And that is no indictment of stings. Only of illegal or incompetent police tactics.
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Allowing
medezark@... 6th Mar 2009
Permitting the so-called "sting" operations encourages incompetence. As far as a "law" by which to charge the entrapped individual, there are in some jurisdictions laws against picking up hitchikers and laws against "loitering for prostitution". Infringement and interpretation of these laws can be difficult for a defendant, especially with a cash-strapped jurisdiction looking for publicity or fine income, and a "Judge" whose sole qualification for sitting on the bench was kissing the right a** to get an appointment. (Magistrates in some areas are not required to have any knowledge of the law and are elected or appointed.)

Most local law enforcement personel have little to no training in the law or the constitution, and many are actively encouraged to ignore constitutional rights. Many small towns tie rewards to officers based on the number of arrests leading to the payment of fines (especially as the local coffers are being drained by the current economy.)
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True Actually
Onideus_Mad_Hatter 6th Mar 2009
He's currently suing the city:
http://onemansblog.com/2007/09/26/man-falsely-arrested-in-prostitution-sting-sues-city/

This is another good article related to stings and entrapment, this one in San Francisco:
http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-09-17/news/rat-entrap/

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