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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

The Firefox vs. IE enthusiasm gap: What browser needs to rally the base more?

By | November 1, 2010, 5:11am PDT

Mozilla has put off its latest Firefox until early 2011. That slippage by a few weeks isn’t a big concern—unless you need to rally the base and close what Ed Bott calls “an enthusiasm gap.”

Ed looked at his own blog and noted that enthusiasm among Firefox users just isn’t what it used to be. Specifically, Ed was looking to measure how much mojo the new Internet Explorer had.

Zooming out a bit, I pulled the figures for ZDNet overall via Google Analytics. Generally speaking, there’s an enthusiasm gap for both Firefox and IE. Firefox traffic in February represented more than 36 percent of ZDNet traffic and IE had nearly 39 percent. In June, Firefox fell to 34.44 percent of traffic while IE dropped to 38.57 percent. In October, Firefox represented 33.06 percent of traffic and IE had 36.54 percent.

So what happened? Google Chrome happened. In February, Chrome was 11.84 percent of traffic. By June, Chrome was 15.07 percent of traffic. In October: 18.25 percent.

For what it is worth, Safari traffic has been steady about 9 percent or so.

This Firefox enthusiasm gap was something I was thinking about last week. Mozilla pushed out Firefox 4 and I was disappointed. That news happened to coincide with yet another security update. Mozilla needs to rally its base and I’m part of that group.

Meanwhile, Microsoft has jazzed up IE and is talking HTML5. Simply put, Microsoft is pushing IE forward. See: Internet Explorer 9 beta review: Microsoft reinvents the browser

To put, this browser battle in election terms. Firefox and IE represent the two major political parties. They are entrenched and have partisan groups—open source and Microsoft—behind them. Google Chrome represents the third party for folks that want to vote out the incumbents. Chrome has the enthusiasm among its base. And people are voting with their downloads.

Like many people, I use all three browsers, but Firefox is the one I perceive to be most at risk. There are good things happening, but the lack of a concrete mobile play for now and a shiny new object—Firefox 4—is worrisome. The way Chrome is surging even a stumble by a few weeks can impact Firefox share.

A look at the stats on ZDNet:

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RE: The Firefox vs. IE enthusiasm gap: What browser needs to rally the base more?
Random_Walk 12th Dec 2010
@DonnieBoy:

To be fair, IE actually had a (perceived) performance advantage on Windows - mostly because it had a higher priority access to Windows' deeper levels than other browsers did - all other browsers are stuck with using public APIs.

The fact that IE is still seen as sluggish by comparison is a tell-tale sign of bloat... something I don't see Microsoft reducing any time soon.

IMHO, the biggest reason IE fell from grace (in spite of being default) so fast is because of its legendary crap security.
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IE9 is really kicking its a** up one side of the street and down the other. If FF can't take more people from IE than it's losing to chrome it's in deep kimshi...
@Johnny Vegas
It?s not a matter of which one wins, you have a choice to which browser you and anyone else uses. Firefox will do just fine.

Correction it?s not Kimshi, it?s Kimchi. (Chi sound as in "nature energy" or "inner energy") Korean kimchi is undoubtedly the healthiest food on the planet.

Mock an Asian food, truly sad.

Riding with Penguins in a World of Glass and Fruit.
Hoooay!
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German sauerkraut is better.
Dr_Zinj 2nd Nov 2010
@Linux Rocks
long time ago. What will help IE9 more than anything is the new look. But, in any case, wait until IE9 is shipping and beats the currently shipping Firefox and Chrome browsers before you start boasting.

I can still remember all the years that IE performance was orders of magnitude worse than the competition, and all of the Microsoft apologist saying that users did not care about speed.

And, even if IE9 performance turns out to be better in some areas, it will be most likely measured in single digit percentages, something an end user would not even notice.
@DonnieBoy:

To be fair, IE actually had a (perceived) performance advantage on Windows - mostly because it had a higher priority access to Windows' deeper levels than other browsers did - all other browsers are stuck with using public APIs.

The fact that IE is still seen as sluggish by comparison is a tell-tale sign of bloat... something I don't see Microsoft reducing any time soon.

IMHO, the biggest reason IE fell from grace (in spite of being default) so fast is because of its legendary crap security.
@Johnny Vegas When I used IE I was hacked all the time, when I switched to Firefox it stopped. My hotmail acount is hacked all the time, everytime they update Hotmail they change everything which makes it a nightmare to use. I have windows 7 professional which is supposed to be able to run XP programs, it doesnt. Microsoft has nothing I would ever pay for!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@gswank54@...
I have no problems running "XP" programs. I can run them directly or in the virtual XP box. I have several older programs running right now. I have several clients that are running versions of programs from the XP era, therefore I have to assume operator error, or more likely, a Linux or Apple troll!
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what the truth really is happy
After having been a committed Firefox user for many years, Chrome was love at first sight: the single search/address box, wonderful search engine shortcuts and the uncluttered interface make browsing simply more efficient. Whenever I come across Firefox somewhere it now seems bloated, sluggish and I simply hate having to type queries in the separate search box again. Firefox needs to rethink their approach because right now they are definitely behind the wave.
Google will keep Firefox fully funded, and Firefox will work on a much more streamlined interface.
@DonnieBoy

Why would Google do that?
Why didn't they just keep funding firefox instead of inventing their own browser?
Don't you think because they want a piece (or maybe the whole lot that firefox has) of the pie themselves as well?
just to try out different user interface models. Of course they wanted to and did push JavaScript performance. In any case, it is the sum of all high performance, standards based browsers not controlled by Microsoft that is important to Google. They could care less if Firefox or Chrome take share from IE.

In any case, if Firefox went away, some would go to IE, and some to Chrome, increasing IE percentage. Google will not let that happen.
@DonnieBoy - Let's be fair here, Google copied the source for WebKit, wrapped it in a minimalistic shell and called it Chrome.

They certainly get the credit for starting the race to de-chrome the browser (ironic, huh?), but don't think they created the whole thing themselves from scratch any more than they created ChromeOS and Android without using mountains of pre-written SO and UI software.
@mulder@... You never had to use the extra search box in Firefox, I always used to type my search directly in the address bar, no difference here with Chrome.
try search something with a dot or slash in it and u'll know why i don't like it
Excuse me. I still use Seamonkey and am very happy with it. What's happening with IE? I do have to use it once in a while at sites the are still in the dark ages. Version 7, I think...
BTW, can you right click on a link in your email and choose "open is a new tab" in any of the other browsers.... yet?
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@bobwinners
That bit has been in Opera for years.
Not surprising; they were first with tabs too.
@bobwinners
I heart Seamonkey as well... The integrated features as you mention are what made me use it as my primary browser. I suggest to anyone who has never used it, definitely take it for a test drive!
Dunno. I'd compare this to CyanogenMod and/or Yahoo. In Yahoo's case, Google has provided a large share of it's revenue even though it was a competing product. Yahoo has had a great deal of time to reinvent itself and become a major player again in a public way. Yahoo hasn't done that, but they have had opportunity.

CyanogenMod (a different flavor of Android for your phone) Started out offering some neat extra features but fell behind the 'Android release curve'. People were saying 'when when when'? The Cyanogen developer community said "When it's ready". And guess what, when they shipped CM6 (Their first revision of Android 2.2) It was faster, more feature rich, and more reliable than any stock android rom out there.

If you have staying power, long-term a better product is the way to go.

Your argument, the 'enthusiasm gap' may have some *small* merit.. but as long as the next FF is a relevant (superior) competitor at the time of release enthusiasm is likely to return, as well as web-traffic.
Why would Google do that?
Why didn't they just keep funding firefox instead of inventing their own browser?
Don't you think because they want a piece (or maybe the whole lot that firefox has) of the pie themselves as well?

Tracking! Google wants to be able to integrate gmail with the browser so it has more detailed information on YOU>
Who gives a ****? I like FireFox just fine!
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Firefox 3.6.XX is just fine with me!!!
rgeiken@... 1st Nov 2010
I have tried almost all the other browsers over time, but will stick with Firefox, and for me personally, version 3.6.XX is just fine. I have a 3 1/2 year old computer, and FF works just fine with enough speed for my uses. I like all the add ons that you can add and get just the look that you want. I'm sure that some people will be satisfied with IE9 and Chrome, but for me, Flashy is not necessarily the way the I want my browser to be. I like the look and feel of the current version of FF, and likely will not be swayed to move to another platform. It is like changing Girlfriends. The new one may prove to be less desirable that the old one, and you should give a lot of consideration to moving on in either case.
I love Firefox, but what's the deal with the Adobe Flash Player "update" with every FF update? After Firefox updates itself, when you start the browser you get a message recommending you update the Adobe Flash Player. When you do this, it installs an extension called Adobe DLM (download manager). I don't want this add-on for 2 reasons. First, I already have 'Download Statusbar' which lets me monitor downloads along the bottom of the FF window. Second, DLM displays advertising while it works. Why does Firefox permit this? And why do they present this as though it is a security update? Anyone know?
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Adobe's decision..
bandersnatch42vt 2nd Nov 2010
@sbrown@... - Mozilla can't do anything about this (although they've tried in the past). And if you have any other type of "free" Adobe software installed on your computer, you'll find Adobe's update service always running in the background using up just a bit more of your resources instead of leaving updating as part of the individual program. Adobe just insists on doing business this way as they want complete control of their software right to the point of monitoring said software while it's installed on your computer. Benignly (they say) yes, but it's still monitoring.

In other words, if you want the Flash plugin, this is how you now get it. Adobe says so.
When Netscape lost its appeal I switched to Firefox and was an avid user for some years. I switched over to Flock a few months ago basically because while similar to Firefox, it is not as much a memory hog and loads faster and can actually play games on Facebook without it slowing to a crawl. Seems like each upgrade to Firefox the worst it gets.
I have been a dedicated Firefox user for a few years. I used it on my Linux, Win 7, and XP Pro home machines. Recently had to quit using Firefox because of bugs and freezing due to so many updates. Closing Firefox leaves it running in the background so it is necessary to stop it using task manager. So far very happy with IE 8.
Firefox will really take off once the new version is actually finished. I'm using minefield 4 Pre-8 64 bit with GPU rendering. Its super fast, and pretty stable.
"I'm sure that some people will be satisfied with IE9 and Chrome, but for me, Flashy is not necessarily the way the I want my browser to be."

Then you have obviously have never even given Chrome a try as it is the exact opposite of flashy, its a simple browser that is fast. I guess for some people change is a concept to hard to imagine.
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You guys are discussing too much
animageofmine1 1st Nov 2010
No offense, but the discussion is moot.

Today, IE came out with new bits and its awesome and sleek, tomorrow FF will come out with new features and there will be another discussion. This cycle is forever. Unless there is a dramatic change in the browser, there ain't any point shouting FF/IE/Chrome/Safari. Folks other than us who regularly read articles on Zdnet, don't really care about brands, they just use what is comfortable for them.

Anyway, I don't think it is fair to compare the traffic on zdnet. Most of the people commenting here are working (not students) and from work, some corporations use IE as their preferred browser, some use FF, others use Chrome. Most of the folks visiting zdnet are in IT industry, like MS, Google, Apple, HP, Sony, etc...So, you can't conclude anything really with the above graph.

Also, for the secret of Chrome's success, it is actually very easy for Google to market the browser since Google is used by everyone. You can see a download button on google.com / homepage itself. You can see it on top news websites and millions of webpages across the world. Chrome share is bound to increase.
Well the only competition Mac is between Mozilla, Chrome, Safari. Gates in a hisy Fit shut down R&D on The Mac when Apple Came out with Safari plus it gave them an excuse to ingrain IE into the operating system. If you were to root out every bit of IE out Windows it wouldn't function correctly. Had they continued Safari would have fell on its face and the would have even larger numbers.
IE/Exploder is only doing well because companies want to blame/layoff the problems to someone else.
Given how MS have made ever web designer suffer and how we will continue to suffer because of MS attempts to screw with the web I'm happy to say 'screw you Microsoft'. Considering Mozilla has lost friends in Sun and Google to claim that 'enthusiasm has been lost' is a little premature. People who are aware of the history of the 'browser wars' will stay with Firefox until something terrible happens. And there is no sign of that.
The only reason IE is doing well is because big companies can blame the big company. With Firefox, who can they blame when something goes wrong?
Interesting that you used Google Analytics to get your figures. I have it barred with no-script in FF. I wonder how large a percentage of FF users do the same?
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It's Adobe's doing
Greenknight_z Updated - 2nd Nov 2010
@sbrown@... About all the Flash updates - this is Adobe's fault, not Mozilla's. There have been a lot of Flash updates recently - and they were all security updates.

My guess is Adobe won't let them link directly to the download of the Flash installer - if you go to the Adobe Flash download page, you get the same thing, the Adobe DLM adware.

Try this app instead: http://www.wecode.biz/p/alternative-flash-player-auto-updater.html - it will automatically get you the latest Flash updates, and it's very lightweight.
I think it's interesting how a 2% increase by one browser is surging (Chrome) and the same percentage by another (FF) one is at risk?
Your chart tells me that 36.54% of computer users have no idea how to install a browser. The Microsoft monopoly is secure for now.
Yawn, what a waste of electrons. Do you expect to attract me by using a boring election buzz phrase? Ah, the techno fad-mongers need their fix. have fun.

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