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The IBM-Sun saga: Can McNealy let go? Should he?

By | April 6, 2009, 11:01am PDT

Summary: IBM’s acquisition of Sun Microsystems was shot down as its board split into two camps—one for the deal led by CEO Jonathan Schwartz and one against led by Chairman Scott McNealy—and the consensus appears to be that McNealy has a bad case of Yahoo-itis. Meanwhile, McNealy is also bordering on delusional by thinking Sun can [...]

IBM’s acquisition of Sun Microsystems was shot down as its board split into two camps—one for the deal led by CEO Jonathan Schwartz and one against led by Chairman Scott McNealy—and the consensus appears to be that McNealy has a bad case of Yahoo-itis. Meanwhile, McNealy is also bordering on delusional by thinking Sun can get a better deal. 

Here’s a sampling of the feedback I’ve been getting about Sun’s decision to turn down IBM’s acquisition overtures (Techmeme):

  • McNealy has Jerry Yang-itis.
  • McNealy has always thought more highly about Sun than anyone else has.
  • McNealy can’t let go of the company he founded.
  • McNealy should stay on the golf course.
  • McNealy has torpedoed the company and is becoming this year’s Yahoo in the stupid corporate move department.

And I thought it was just me. McNealy’s act got tired for me back in the last downturn. The quips got old. His keynotes got old. And the numbers stunk quarter after quarter from 2001 until Schwartz took over in April 2006. 

Thus far, Schwartz has proven to be a better operator of Sun than McNealy was at the end of his tenure.

Here’s a look at the annual figures (click to enlarge):

And.

Now let’s get the caveats out of the way. McNealy was whacked by a terrible technology downturn and Schwartz is just getting his. Nevertheless, Schwartz was named CEO for a reason—McNealy had lost the confidence of Wall Street after five years of losses.

This IBM-Sun saga does raise one glaring question: What does it mean when the guy operating Sun day-to-day thinks the IBM deal is a good one but the founder/visionary type who is usually doing customer meet-and-greets doesn’t?

It means that there’s a disconnect going on that should be pretty worrisome to anyone in Sun’s circle. It also means that there’s a founder who has too much pride and can’t let go of his baby. And it means that Sun may have torpedoed a lot of shareholder value over that pride.

Also see: Sun following the IBM deal collapse: Customer confusion en route

A few McNealy comments I’ve received:

  • You can never overestimate the role perceptions play even in the face of stark reality. JAVA has floundered for an entire IT cycle and yet I’m sure many influencers within the company are SURE it’s a $20 stock in waiting.
  • You’ve probably seen it a million times in start ups (founders not being able to let go). From the outside, it looks so ridiculous, arrogant and selfish. However, I sometimes wonder how I would handle a similar situation.
  • Scott thinks more of Scott McNealy than he does of his company. Scott puffs up like the GoodYear Blimp, when he’s really the Hindenburg.
What’s truly galling to folks flooding my inbox is that McNealy has enjoyed being out of the CEO chair. After all, he had a top 10 list about how he liked being out of the CEO role. 
Top 10 Best Things About Not Being CEO
10. I don’t have to apologize for the stuff I say to Wall Street
9. I’m no longer on the most overpaid CEO list
8. I just say, “see Jonathan on that”
7. I read Hockey News without guilt
6. I shave even less often
5. No more Sarbanes Oxley certification
4. I have someone to blame
3. I can sell my last business suit
2. Jonathan doesn’t golf, so I guess I gotta do it
1. My office is very close to the men’s room 
And then there’s this McNealy quote:
“The best decision is the right decision. The next best is the wrong decision. The worst decision is no decision.”
It’s unclear how this deal gets resolved, but if IBM doesn’t acquire Sun it’s clear that the company is on the path to being this year’s Yahoo. And that would clearly be the wrong decision. 

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RE: The IBM-Sun saga: Can McNealy let go? Should he?
miltonst 25th Apr 2009
ah Microsoft, led by Mr Gates - a convicted Monopolist
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Jackbond is pretty much an imbecile. That said...

Sun's biggest problem is upper management. As this article points out, you've got one "chief" that wants Sun to give up and die... and the other that wants Sun to keep doing what it's been doing... which is dying. No one seems to understand the basic fatal flaw of Sun.

That flaw is... you can't make money selling a free product. Java is good. Solaris is good. And both are free. No matter what the idiots at the top think... Sun is not a software company. It's a hardware company. Sparq made Sun the powerhouse it was. Having the best and most reliable servers combined with the best, fastest, and more reliable field service is what has always separated Sun from the two-bit PC makers.

Even in this "new" era... customers don't have the money to buy throw-away systems. They can't afford down time. So, the server that never fails is still going to be King Of The Servers. That's what Sun used to be. But, with constant cuts to field and support services instead of cuts to administrative overhead, Sun has become and continues to worsen into a company that's far too top-heavy. Paperwork doesn't impress customers or many a profit.

It's time for both Johnny and Scotty to step out of the way. Time to stop trying to administrate out of slumping sales and let services and product superiority speak for themselves.

Otherwise... Johnathan's right. Sell while there's something left to sell.
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Well put ...
super_J 6th Apr 2009
"Jackbond is pretty much an imbecile."

Understatement of the century.

Worm-ridden filth? sheesh
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Have you ever met the man?
jackbond 6th Apr 2009
There's practically a trail of slime that follows behind him.

This is how a conversation goes with him:

Hi Scott.
Arg, Microsoft evil. Java great.
Ok, how's Sun doing.
Arg, Microsoft evil. Open source save day.
Really?
Arg, Microsoft evil. The network is the computer. Arg, matey. PCs evil, and html mail too. Arg.

The guy hasn't had an original thought in 20 years. It's no wonder Sun is ending up like Wordperfect and Novell. He had the same mentality as the nutjobs that run those companies into the ground.
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+1 Perfect Impression!
mikefarinha Updated - 6th Apr 2009
I went to a conference last year (GTC) where he (Scott) was one of the keynote speakers...

Every other minute of his speech went like this... in a strange raspy drawn out voice.

"Free... did you know Open Source is Free... It's Free... It doesn't cost anything... Did I mention that it's free?"

It was quite creepy the way he would say it too. I half expected him to start smelling the air with his tongue.
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You should have heard his rants...
jackbond 6th Apr 2009
against HTML mail. Back in 2002/2003, long after Outlook had support for HTML, McPuke's email client couldn't render HTML, so he would implore Sun employees not to use HTML mail. Meanwhile, virtually all his employees were using either Windows or Macs to get their jobs done. The guy has been living in one long denial for the last 20 years.

He is scum, plain and simple.
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What was wrong with text?
Dr. John 7th Apr 2009
What was wrong with plain ol' text e-mails? Why does every frickin' mail banging into my inbox have to be 9 to 99,000 times the size it needs to be to say what it has to say? I don't need monthly gigabytes of cutesy art and colored text, complete with embedded fonts, wasting bandwidth and storage space. All I need is the flippin' message!

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1 with Dr John
ponydown 9th Apr 2009
lots of ppl considering adding colorful smileys as the best thing since sliced bread. that's their concept of "added value".
same minds judging a CEO whose only achievement was to be the 1st blogging CEO as the best leader ever, especially over one who can't stand html in email.
now compare the two guys in terms of real achievements over their respective career and you come back and tell me which one was more effective as a leader. (and no, I'm not a mcnealy fanboy... just looking at facts)
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biased article
Linux Geek Updated - 6th Apr 2009
Yeah, right!
McNealy knows more about Sun and its business than all the pundits and stock holders put together.
He created this great company and if history has any lessons, remember Steve Jobs resurecting Apple when everybody gave up on them.
McNealy is the charismatic lider Sun needs.
He can reinvent the company by opening the hardware design.
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Takes a nutjob to know a nutjob
jackbond 6th Apr 2009
Yah, McPuke leadership will save the day. You happen to notice he's been running the company the last 10 years+?

Yah, open up the hardware design. Brilliant. Honestly where do you morons come up with this stuff?
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LOL...nt
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 7th Apr 2009
nt
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Interesting choice of lanuguage
GuidingLight Updated - 6th Apr 2009
Using "Lider", and not "Leader".
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 6th Apr 2009
And so, but opening up all of Sun's hardware designs, allowing anyone who wants to compete with Sun by creating smaller, lighter, faster and cheaper hardware, Sun will benefit HOW precisely?
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McNealy did the right thing
enigmaforce 6th Apr 2009
by his customers, potential customers, and employees. If indeed there is any credence to this split, then much as it pains me to say it (as I have been a fan of JIS and many parts of his strategy) then Jonathan needs to go - and McNealy needs to find a successor with a bit more spine.
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Re: McNealy did the right thing
GAGendel 7th Apr 2009
+1 The new storage products from Sun are a huge leap forward. Why is it that as soon as a company trying to revive itself gains direction and traction, the board sees dollar signs in a quick sale.

Look at the time where IBM was in deep poo. They had the guts to find a way out without selling the family jewels.

The Sun research capabilities are respected, but I doubt IBM would have kept them around long. Think about all that talent being thrown out into the streets at one time. It happened in NJ with AT&T and RCA back in the 80s. NJ couldn't absorb them so many moved out of the state and NJ has never recovered.
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I agree
914four 16th Apr 2009
I don't think Sun needs a buyer; the new storage products out of FISHWorks are amazing, and their new Intel X5570 based servers outperform the equivalent Proliant from HP. I think Sun has it's act together product wise, I just hope they can translate that into sales.
The Yahoo/MS case was more of an unwanted hostile take over than a serious business offer. Although Yahoo is being struggling, it wasn't looking for a buyer and MS just made an attempt to takeover the competition.

On the other side IBM made what appears to be a legitimate offer to a company that is being looking for a buyer for over a year. SUN was on the market when IBM made the offer.

Did McNealy make a bad decision?? Probably, since the company was on the market and I don't see any other offer on the table. Yet, holding out for a better offer could payoff in the long run. The danger is that SUN will continue to loose money and there may not be a better offer.

Did Yang make a bad decision?? In my opinion, NO. The company wasn't on the market and the offer was unsolicited.
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It would be ironic...
mikefarinha 7th Apr 2009
I think it would be an ironic end to the company if Microsoft bought out Sun. I highly doubt it would happen but it would none the less be funny.
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My analysis
Spiritusindomit@... 7th Apr 2009
I think it's exactly the same things as yahoo and microsoft, save one key detail. I think the point can legitimately be made Sun would be worth more than IBM's bid if the technologies were sold off seperately. However,we'll find out who is right and who is wrong when the lawsuits for breach of fiduciary duty come down.
I agree that Mcnealy is probably the biggest bigot in the silicon valley and probably will ever have. Schwartz was just handpicked to play to the tunes of Mcnealy.

As far as the numbers are concerned, Schwartz was at helm for 3 years or so and did not do any better. The open source mantra havent raked in any services money for SUN, Where as Red Hat has been. If IBM can think they can pick up pieces of valuable software from SUN and make money out of it, If RHAT can make money out of purely being a services company and SUN cannot, What does that tell you?

Its the execution stupid. Having a grand vision is only 20%. Execution is the 80%. Blogging and getting 20K hits and loyal sun yes men praising schwartz. ehh! What ever!

My issue with IBM picking up SUN is IBM will mercilessly kill Solaris/Sparc and will single handedly cover the tape business. Do you really want IBM to do so? Knowing IBM, I would not want that to happen.

I hope SUN gets picked up by Google,Apple,Cisco or even Oracle or EMC or DELL but not IBM/HP.

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Yahoo is starting to do better...
MarkyGoldstein 7th Apr 2009
their web services are improving.. because Yahoo employees are working again.
In the end it comes down to shareholder value. The Chairman and CEO must collaboratively make the decision that is in the best interest of the shareholders. In this case it is relatively clear that McNealy is not acting in the best interest of the shareholders. The deal that IBM has put on the table is not only fair but perhaps generous. Unlike the ill-fated Microsoft-Yahoo deal last year the IBM-Sun deal could actually present value to both companies shareholders. In my humble opinion, Microsoft actually benefited from that deal falling apart; it would have been a major mistake to overpay for Yahoo, which I feel frankly is no longer a market leader in any category. In the case of IBM-Sun there are some real tangible benefits of this merger and unfortunately McNealy is in a position to screw it up for shareholders. Maybe McNealy will see the light and Sun shareholders will finally be able to realize the potential of their investments.

-Mikah Sellers, VA
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Now that IBM has passed, Cisco should acquire Sun for cash and
stock. Sun servers and Cisco routers often share the
same equipment closets and both are infrastructure plays.

Rob Durst
Technology and Business Development Consultant
www.durstgroup.com
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It is easy for a founder ...
mwagner@... 7th Apr 2009
... to lose sight of changing times and changing fortunes.

When UNIX was king, Sun was king. Now that UNIX is no longer King and "cheap" Intel hardware running Linux can scale up to handle anything Sun's SPARC architecture can handle, Sun needs something more than virtually unlimited UNIX/Linux expertise and loads of intellectual property.

Sun needs a business model like IBM's, which which, while embracing hardware sales, is dependent upon service, not hardware, for its success.

The best way for Sun to reinvent itself is to allow itself to be absorbed by the grandaddy of the modern IT industry. IBM.
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Dear Mr. Scott McNealy
javababy 7th Apr 2009
Dear Mr. McNealy,
You have to make the company moving away from IBM as much as you can, if SUN were acquired by IBM in 1989, there would be no Java technology at all in the world, because simply IBM would say, who would use Java and leave our brilliant AS/400 RPG programming language, that has been approved to be a stupid inflexible and none-modern at all systems!!!
Please, IBM is living on government and defense projects that are no matter successful or failure, no one usually care or think about that, while SUN Microsystems is working on a real market that human customers finance the company by buying real usable programs which is not the case at IBM !!!
At, last Mr. Scott McNealy, and to make it short I will simply leave all SUN tools and technology and go to Oracle or Microsoft if SUN ever agreed to join IBM.

Best Regards,
Mohamed, Cairo, Egypt
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How reliable are all these talks, opposition etc etc?
jhui88@... Updated - 7th Apr 2009
How can you bash/blame this on Scott McNealy when there is no official stmt about this merger talk from any one, Sun or IBM. All these reports came from a/some "unidentified" source. For all I know, this may be a boiler room operation to jack up the stock and then to slam it down to make tons of money from speculators.

Show me proof for everything you said.
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This is the absolute worst mistrake Sun has made
Now hopefully everyone at Sun, Schwartz and McNealy, down to the janitor will shift gears, and get the conviction to re-make Sun great again ALONE! They have operating cash ($1.6B), they have some nice leading edge technology (storage/coolthread ultraspac and servers and inexpensively produced Intel servers) and some nice properties (mysql/java2ee). All they need now is to make customer service much better and MAKE CUSTOMERS. Forget about the wall street bonehead analysts! Sure it will be bad for another 4-5 quarters... sure it will be embaressing... and I'm sure they will see some losses on their personal balance sheets, but 3-4 years out they will be back in the driver seat. Sun will be ok if they get back to the real business... not the on-paper BS M&A business. You know... the kind of MAKING THINGS, SELLING THINGS, MAKING CUSTOMER business that a guy like Peter Drunker would recognize. It just takes guts and determination. The RIGHT thing to do is to never listen to the wall street folks again! They're boneheads!
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That will be the result of a stockholders suit. The only question is how much does he walk away with.
You seem to be too Windows addicted.
And you seem to not consider that Cloud Computing is our next way of computing: so The Network Will Be The Computer.
As many times happens, there are people anticipating too much, so they're not making real money out of a too anticipated technology (just think about the Amiga CDTV many years ago...wasn't it just what the consolles do today?).
Sun, and McNealy, are just pioneers in many areas.
And I could see McNealy talking many times, and I tell you he was nice to listen.
Jonathan is visionary, but not as good as McNealy to run an opening key note.

Last but not least, I dont' see your point "Microsoft won". They're still there with their Windows and their Office, adding technologies invented by others here and there. Nothing new on their side.

Maybe you're one of the poor guys coding in that "Java-clone" called "C#"...and from my point of view, it's an horrible language: coding standards have been copied from Java, then changed into a horrible bunch of coding standards.
If you think the Java battle is lost, you're wrong.
are you on dope or something ? how can you write something like
"Thus far, Schwartz has proven to be a better operator of Sun than McNealy was at the end of his tenure."
Reality is schwartz did more harm to sun in three years than mcnealy ever did...
don't blame the wrong guy here. what about a CEO who can only think of selling his company as a "winning" strategy?? you're focusing on the wrong guy, sir
ah Microsoft, led by Mr Gates - a convicted Monopolist

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