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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Toshiba's Libretto W100: Interesting concept but questions abound

By | June 21, 2010, 3:44am PDT

Toshiba has resurrected the UMPC (remember those?) as an answer to Apple’s iPad and perhaps signaling the evolution of the netbook. The other possibility: Toshiba is promising something more, but falls into the PC industry’s common belief that more features you may not need trumps good design and simplicity.

Simply put, Toshiba has brought back the UMPC (ultra mobile PC) concept with two multi-touch 7-inch displays. This pup, coming on the 25th anniversary of Toshiba’s entry to the laptop market, has some interesting features and generated some initial buzz. Toshiba bills calls the device the Libretto W100 and says it ”goes beyond slates, netbooks and smartphones to deliver something more.”

Gallery: Toshiba’s Portege R700 and libretto W100

The common story line is that the Libretto W100 is Toshiba’s answer to the iPad. The big questions: What exactly is that something more and do you want it? Is it better for content creation like a laptop? Is it a better e-reader? Will these features trump the iPad? What about the ecosystem?

The PC’s industry answer to the iPad seems to revolve around that something more concept. More functions. More features. More stuff you may not necessarily want or need. It’s almost as if another screen, port or some other feature can replace the simplicity that makes the iPad work.

As Rachel King notes, the device is rather unique and lacks a price tag. The good news: This Libretto will allow folks to figure out if a virtual keyboard can replace the real thing over time. It remains to be seen what else we learn from it. The device reminds me of a few cool—yet probably futile—attempts to push the PC design curve at CES.

For now, Toshiba’s latest Portege, the R700 ultra-portable laptop, is probably more my speed.

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RE: Toshiba's Libretto W100: Interesting concept but questions abound
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nice article. i'd like to stress on one comment in particular:
"The common story line is that the Libretto W100 is Toshiba?s answer to the iPad"
I would disagree. that would be like comparing apples and oranges. there are plenty of things the Toshiba Libretto W100 can do that the iPad can't, and vice versa. ebook reading will be more fun on this. it's size is smaller, allowing it to fit into more purses than the iPad. With it's open environment and an USB port, it will certainly find a lot more takers than the iPad. further i find it to be more innovative than a tablet PC...any tablet PC

I talk more about it myself on my blog
http://laymanhack.com/toshiba-libretto-w100-dual-screen-netbook-future-of-mobile-computing

i think it might very well be the future of mobile computing
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Bruizer 21st Jun 2010
@boxieblue

Its size is actually larger as is its weight. At 29% larger and 20% heavier, the premise of it being smaller is out right wrong.

That said, unless Toshiba has a host of apps designed to make specific use of the two screens, sadly it will go nowhere.

It needs to come with a class A media player, email app, ebook reader and an HTML 5 based browser. Each needs to be specifically customized for touch and dual screen to make the hardware shine.

Without the above, developers will NOT target the platform (why should they if Toshiba won't?) and the second screen will quickly become an oddity.
@Bruizer
Come on, this is window 7. What application you can't run?
@Bruizer hey Bruizer. i will start by answering the question about "smaller" first. what i meant was the diametrical size. by that measure, it is the perfect size to fit most purses. sure it is a little heavier, but then they couldn't help that.

about the apps, most of what you mentioned is already available for windows 7. the demos showed how easy it was to run two different applications on the two screens so apps shouldn't be a problem at all.

i agree when you say the developers won't target the platform. but right now they dont NEED to. windows 7 programs will run beautifully at the moment. and Toshiba only wants to test the waters.

That being said, it remains to be seen how many people actually find it useful. I have a feeling more such netbooks are on the way from other companies, a few maybe even with Android (or Chrome OS, if Google chooses to come out with it early enough)

How the game plays out should be interesting happy
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@ boxieblue
Have you ever used an HP Touch Smart? Windows 7 might have some designs that work OK with touch but it is along way from being optimized for it. It has no applications that are optimized for dual screen touch based actions. None. Not one that I know of.

Let me repeat, Windows 7 does not have a single application that I know of that is both optimized for touch and dual screen. If Toshiba does not do this, the W100 will do as well as the Courier. I am not talking about existing apps like Office 2010 that are marginally usable with touch but apps grown from the bottom up to be touch. A grade A email client for dual screen touch. A grade A browser built ground up for dual screen and touch. A grade A fill in the blank... All built ground up for touch and dual screen.

You then go on and say:
"With it's open environment and an USB port, it will certainly find a lot more takers than the iPad. "

as well as:

"i am not suggesting this device itself will be one that sells millions, but it will definitely be one that shows other manufacturers the way forward."

Since the iPad is selling over 1 million/month, which is it?

Would this design get more takers than the iPad (read as millions of sales) or the device won't be selling millions?
@Bruizer I've been running dual screens for over a decade. Windows has supported them for ages, applications might not specifically supprt 2 screen, but it doesn't mean you can't use them successfully over 2 screens (having DreamWeaver spread over 3840*1200 isn't a problem). Apps with floating tool palettes are great, you can put all the palettes on one screen and the content you are working on on the other screen.

How do you think ATi's Eyefinity works? Apps can make use of the second screen, but the beauty of Windows is, the app doesn't even have to know about the second screen, it "just works". Yes, you have to manually stretch the window over both screens, maximising with max out to 1 screen, but otherwise nearly any app can be stretched to work on 2 screens.

That said, whether the concept will work on the Libretto is still up in the air, but it looks like it could add something to the mix, although I doubt it will be a paradigm changer.
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Bruizer 21st Jun 2010
You are totally missing the point. There is a fundamental difference from being able to work with 2 screens than being optimized for 2 screens (for christs sake, the original PC worked with two monitors. I had an MDA for the debugger and CGA for the app. I have a dual 30" setup on my Mac Server at home and my primary machine is 27" and a 30"). For example:

"it "just works". Yes, you have to manually stretch the window over both screens, maximising with max out to 1 screen,"

Proves you simply do not get the idea of being optimized for dual monitors. You are talking about being able to use dual monitors and that is different than optimized for dual monitors.

It is this same brain dead approach to software that has had Windows failing in the slate/tablet market for almost a decade. It is an idiotic concept that the same exact software can be used in an elegant way regardless of form factor and input devices.

Toshiba has a decent design in the hardware but to really make it shine and convince a large segment of the population that they want it, they need an intriguing use beyond just a virtual keyboard.

Come up with some sweet applications that use those two screens in a transparent means. I do not want to stretch windows across screens. I do not want to move tool palettes around to different monitors. I WANT a sweet email app (or browser or reader or game or...) that REQUIRES those monitors to work right.

If Toshiba fails in this, they will never persuade consumers to bite.
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@boxieblue
after the total failure of windows tablets nearly a decade on the market you think this is the future of mobile computing? wow. windows 7? on a tiny screen? so small you will hardly be able to touch the tiny windows controls with your fingers, let alone the total mice/keyboard centric windows 7 programs that run on it. how do you want to use it? with a pen?

some the traditional pc folks probably will never see the light.
@banned from zdnet
maybe you need to follow the stock market a little. what i mean is, past performance is no guarantee of future results.
How developed was the touchscreen itself before 2007, when the iPhone came along and prompted everyone to invest majorly in it? How optimised was Windows for touch interfaces? Certainly not as much as Windows 7.
i am not suggesting this device itself will be one that sells millions, but it will definitely be one that shows other manufacturers the way forward.
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Seriously... Get a clue dude...
Wolfie2K3 21st Jun 2010
@banned from zdnet
Tablet/convertible laptops from the past never caught on for ONE simple reason - PRICE. Why would you spend $1500 to $2000 MORE for a convertible laptop/tablet just for the touch features when you don't have to? Unless you have a real, burning NEED for a tablet form factor, you just wouldn't go out and drop a huge wad of cash on one.

Now if you drop the price tag down to earth and make it competetively price with other, similar hardware, that WILL change. Gotta wonder how many people would buy an iPad if Apple charged $3000 for it instead of $500... I'm gonna put my money on NOT very many.
@boxieblue

You see all this from a prototype? The only unique thing about this tired UMPC concept seems to be its second screen. I would like to know things like the battery life (dual-screens + full Windows 7 can be a drain). How is the multi-touch and the responsiveness. It is well known that full Windows 7 is not ideal. It just does not compare to the built from the ground for multi-touch iPad.
@dave95. well, i wish you would hit the reply button below my own post mate, makes it easier for me to track.

about your post, it seems you misconstrued my article. i am not claiming Toshiba has created the ultimate netbook or that this prototype will be an instant hit in the market.
What i meant was that replacing the keyboard with a screen has been a concept toyed with for years because of the improved flexibility it offers in terms of usage, but it is only now that the first successfully working concept has been made by Toshiba. I am certain many companies will be looking to follow suit.

good point about the battery life, but it seems it has 8 cells. 15 inch laptops can run for about 3 hours on Windows 7 with only 6 cells, so there shouldn't be a major difference.

from what people who have been lucky enough to get a hands-on have been saying so far, the responsiveness is as good as you can expect from a Windows 7 UI. The bottom part, with its haptic feedback, was even better.

I don't even want to go into comparisons with the iPad. i have already stated in my first post that i do not consider them to be in the same league.

Ultimately, we are just a few of the millions of consumers out there, and we will have to wait and see how many sales Toshiba makes. No matter how many sales they make, though, i can clearly see a lot more dual screen netbooks coming out in the next year.
@boxieblue I kind of like the concept, but yeah, questions. While its true that the iPad is overpriced for what's little more than a big iPod Touch, the track record for UMPC has been much worse. Before Netbooks, you paid considerably more for a much lower performanc PC.

The other issue is battery life. The iPad may not do nearly as much as a laptop or Netbook, but if you just need web surfing and other simple things, media playback, etc. the 8-10 hour practical battery life of the iPad is excellent. If this new toy isn't rivalling that, it's not competitve in the iPad/Android tablet market.
Very interesting device. This looks like something I would want instead of an iPad. There is just more you could do, it could be a heck of a lot more intuitive as well.
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@Loverock Davidson
intuitive because you will need a pen? you can do so much more with it because it has a smaller screen?

i doubt it will be even be possible to touch the windows controls on that tiny screen. how do you want to operate the mice/keyboard centric controls of the totally not touch optimised windows 7 programs that run on it?

some traditional windows types just don't get it. after nearly a decade in total failure, still hoping that a windows tablet will somehow come to fruition. unbelievable.
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Cylon Centurion Updated - 21st Jun 2010
@banned from zdnet

ASUS has two of them coming. And they aren't as bad as you make them out to be. They need set up, but once they are, they're as usable as any other touch device is. Those tiny elements inside Windows that everyone complains about can be resized to fit your needs.

And honestly touch on Windows works better on a smaller screen than a larger one for that very reason.

The only thing holding Windows 7 back is battery life, which ASUS has claimed to have fixed. Their EEE Pads have a claimed 10 hour battery life, putting it right on par with the iPad. If that is the case, these tablets have a chance. I could seriously use something like this at school.

And yes. A pen is a needed accessory with a tablet device. Those who claim otherwise are kidding themselves.
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The device looks interesting. However, apart from a lack of marketing and a viable application ecosystem, what killed the Tablet PC and UMPC form factors, was a lack of through and through UI / UE design. Simply put, the efforts were half-a**ed. It is amazing how Apple is the only company that seems to really get this. (Though MS' Windows Phone 7 effort seems to be getting it as well.) You can only extend a computing model's human interface so far. Beyond those limits, you are going to lose coherency, and you are going to have to redesign the UI / UE in order to re-achieve it. Older technology industries such as construction and vehicle get this, and it is about time the whole software industry get it as well. When OEMs propose dual screen displays to MS, designers at MS should shake their heads and say the form factor is not well suited to Windows 7. The problem is that you see no evidence of this happening. I think designers have too little power at MS, and software developers are making decisions (and failing) in areas in which they have little expertise.
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@P. Douglas
Previous tablet PC efforts were EXPENSIVE. Why spend $2000 - $3500 on a tablet PC if a $500 laptop with all of the same bells and whistles (except the touch screen) will get the job done?

You DO realize that any computer running XP, Vista or Windows 7 will be able to run the same apps you run on your desktop - right? The whole argument of an application ecosystem is pure FUD. While an app store/market/whatever you want to call it is a nice idea for mobile, it's NEVER been a problem for desktops. You can always go to Best Buy, Fried, or any other retailer or etailer and buy whatever you need, take it home, have it delivered, and install it to your heart's delight.

I highly suggest you check out Toshiba's videos for the W100... They've got one on display with an actual human giving a demo and for all intents - it doesn't look nearly as bad as you make it sound.

http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto/W100
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@Wolfie2K3

The problem is, there are a precious few apps that are written for purely Touch Based interaction with Windows 7. I would be safe, more than likely, in saying none for a dual screen, small screen layout like the W100. The presented book read looks decent but they (Toshiba) need to set the bar with custom apps to really show this thing off.

Otherwise, it is just another future failed product hoping:
1) HW guy makes HW.
2) MS does OS.
3) 3rd party stitches it together.
4) Usr scratches head and says WTFITUF.
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Interesting, to say the least...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 21st Jun 2010
Similar to the Courier concept that MSFT killed....

As to your questions...

Is it more than an iPad, in some ways yes, with several caveats. First and foremost it is running a desktop OS, where by design the primary method of input is a keyboard and mouse. Touch interface here is a bolt on.

What is the power consumption of the device, and what will be the battery life? If you need to be tethered to an outlet, than this thing is DOA. How much heat is this thing going to throw off?

This thing will not be better for content creation. This thing has smaller screen than the average netbook, and with only a virtual keyboard... well like the iPad you will need an external keyboard. And with 7" of screen real-estate on either side, forget trying to type on the virtual keyboard.

As far as the ecosystem, well sure there are many software titles, but since this is Windows, be prepared to purchase yet another copy of the software. So if you want office 2010, be prepared to shell money out to MSFT to the tune of $150+, or your other favorite software titles. Of course there will be no guarantee that these software titles will work wonderfully on this device, as they are designed for a desktop or laptop, where the primary method of input is Keyboard and Mouse, not touch.

I think the underlying mistake here is trying to shoehorn a desktop OS into a device that really needs to have an OS specifically designed for it. Toshiba would be better off, and closer to a compelling platform had they shoehorned Android on it.
@JM1981
Pure rubbish! I know you don't care for Microsoft, I get it. But, that don't make what you say right. Windows is designed for laptop and desktop at once. They do not have a desktop version and a laptop version. That leaves me to believe that the software can adapt to different sizes, out of the box. Have you tried windows 7 touch? I have, and I did not find it shoehorned at all. To me, it worked pretty much as other touch devices. Have you tried office 2010? My understanding is it is designed to work with touch and small devices. Now, I don't care to intercede in one's opinion. However, when I believe it to be FUD, with intent to deceive, I will try and set the record straight, based on my experiences. Thanks for listening!
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Having FUD for breakfast again...?
Wolfie2K3 Updated - 21st Jun 2010
@JM1981
Touch in Windows 7 is BAKED IN. Get over it. It's not a bolt on like it was for Windows XP. EVERY copy of Windows 7 now has the touch features (virtual KB, handwriting recognition and Journal) installed. The only thing that needs to be added to make ANY PC or laptop MULTI-touch enabled is the appropriate hardware. Obviously the W100 covers the hardware requirement nicely.

As far as power consumption and heat. I seriously doubt this is going to be a barn burner. Most netbooks these days run cool enough to hold in your hand. I doubt you're going to get 3rd degree (or 1st degree) burns picking one of these up. That would be really BAD.

No one expects this to be great for writing the next War and Peace. But it should be more than adequate for basic things - like answering or sending off an email.

And even IF there's a need for a keyboard - that's even LESS of a problem than it would be for an iPad. At least, the W100 has a USB port for plugging stuff in which is more than can be said for the iPad.

As far as licensing goes... I do believe there's ways around that. 1.) Many versions of Office come with the ability to install it on your desktop and your laptop - with the caveat that ONLY one copy can be in use at the same time. 2.) And even if Office 2010's license doesn't have that provision, all is NOT lost. Office 2010 comes with access to Microsoft's WEB APPS. Not perfect, but not expensive either.

And really... Don't you think since Office comes from the same place as Windows, they'd make sure that the apps would work well on multiple configurations - even touch screen only hardware - before they released it? Or for that matter, Toshiba wouldn't make sure that most apps would work on their hardware before they released it?

Ya know, before regurgitating the usual FUD, why not at least check out some of the videos that have the device in action? This isn't like the courier or HP Slate. They actually are well beyond the prototype stage and are planning to release it in August 2010. That's about 1 1/2 months from now. Either way, you MIGHT learn something.

http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto/W100
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Touch is, at best, a bolt on of Windows 7.
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Novel yes...iPad Killer?
CowLauncher 21st Jun 2010
Kind of fun, but I don't think they will sell very many of these. There is really nothing compelling about this that hasn't already failed or been panned.
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The Courier lives!
DNSB 21st Jun 2010
I seem to remember Microsoft just a few months back killing their Courier dual screen tablet after pouring money into the project for several years. Alternatively, we could look at the HP Slate which was killed but may return with WebOS as the operating system.

Overall, not much new and all too much that has already failed.
OK, the IPad is a very nice device that takes the old tablet concept and makes it simpler and by being simpler is much easier to use and adds it's own version of sophistication.
Which is cool if it will do what you want to do.
So why are people who are putting out competing products trying to make their efforts more complicated?
The only way to make the product that will compete well with the iPad in the iPads class is to make the hardware even more simpler while making the software more sophisticated.
But Apple has hit this one right, so making something simpler would cripple it and adding more complexity would make it cludgy. (Why would anyone want a keyboard with the iPad? Why? if you want a keyboard buy a netbook.)
But don't take all the hype on the iPad either. The use of the term "Magic" in the advertising, to me, just makes me sick. It's not magic, magic doesn't exist, any use of that term in advertising is automatic false advertising.
I say "Buyer Beware" because Toshiba does not honor its warranty agreement. When you buy from Toshiba, it's a crap shoot.
Ah, finally something more to my liking. This look pretty darn awesome. We finally have multi-touchscreens that can be produced much cheaper than stuff in the past and with other advances in hardware and software we are at a point where these devices are actually useful and capable of doing the things we want. I had hoped that HP would create a slate that would run windows 7, but this looks even more handy than HP's. I would love to have hardware like this and start designing software to use it. There are plenty of innovations that can be done. Minority Report computing won't be nearly as cumbersome as the movie shows and Iron Man 2 computing won't be nearly as expensive. I like technology.
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They're releasing them in about a month and 10 odd days.
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Just too complicated
ArtInvent 21st Jun 2010
I fail to see how this compares to an iPad. Any device with Win 7 is going to try and do basically everything. It's the kitchen sink approach. The iPad is the exact polar opposite approach: what happens when you SEVERELY limit the device to just watching, reading, consuming. What we've learned from the iPad is that this can still have an appeal if it's done well. Personally the iPad is too limiting. I've had one for a couple months now. There are definitely more things I would like to be able to do with it. Looking forward to more flexible and open solutions - but I just can't envision Win 7 based anything being the Answer. Android, MeeGo, ChromeOS . . .
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The reality is a bit different...
Wolfie2K3 21st Jun 2010
@ArtInvent
Actually... The iPad IS trying to be the kitchen sink type platform. They released iWork for the iPad if you'll recall. Never mind that it'll mangle your iWork for the Mac documents by removing the little things - like footnotes, speaker notes, and such from the originals. And then has the audacity to sync those changed documents BACK on top of the original documents eliminating all of your hard work.

Too bad it's an epic FAIL on Apple's part.
A couple of things. Everything does not evolve around the ithingies. I would likely be interested in this, depending on the cost. I think windows 7 would be a good fit. Also, the new windows 7 imbeded software might be a possibility. The design should provide protection for the screens. There are enough things out there to keep us all happy. Many folks I know don't care for sushi, however, I'm simply hooked on the stuff.
Too bad Toshiba won't honor its warranty agreements. I'll never buy another product from them again. My view is Buyer Beware.
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Looks very cool...
Wolfie2K3 21st Jun 2010
Check out the hands on video with the W100. It seems to have some seriously cool features:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxw19VXECc&feature=player_embedded

It doesn't just have ONE virtual keyboard, it has several - including one that you can use with just your thumbs.

Looks like it'll be available in August. I'm looking forward to giving it a good looking over when it's released.
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Touch = 8 track cartridge
tonymcs@... Updated - 21st Jun 2010
Yeah a bit of hyperbole, but consider the problems with touch.

Perfect for small devices where you are not doing much and good for very large screens if you want your TV show to look modern.

But who really wants games where your hand covers the screen - same with any type of development that requires any sort of precision such as word processing a/v editing etc. There's also the lack of tactile response, to say nothing of how filthy the screens get.

The real explosion will come with Natal and similar projects, where the computer recognises you and your actions and doesn't require you to be handling the screen.

Gesture, facial and voice recognition, coupled with virtual screens, glasses and holography (and god knows what implants they may come up with) are going to change the UI over the next few years.

So I'll keep touching my phone for the moment, but lugging around an iBrick as a media player is just not particularly attractive to me, whereas a netbook running Win 7 is cheaper, is just as portable and offers many more features, as well as being a real development tool.

There may be a time soon when having to touch a computer will seem almost as arcane as using punch cards
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