Verizon offers new FiOS speeds: What do you do with 20 Mbps upstream?

Verizon offers new FiOS speeds: What do you do with 20 Mbps upstream?

Summary: Verizon on Tuesday announced a new FiOS service that offers 20 megabits per second downloads and uploads.I have no clue what I would do with 20 Mbps upload speeds.

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Verizon on Tuesday announced a new FiOS service that offers 20 megabits per second downloads and uploads.

I have no clue what I would do with 20 Mbps upload speeds. I can't even comprehend it given the best I've seen is the 2 Mbps upstream I have now.

Nevertheless, Verizon's news made my ears perk up. I have Verizon FiOS for TV and Internet service (installation gallery at right) and aside from one reboot of a television box/DVR I've had no incidents. No outages. No headaches. Nothing to complain about. Frankly, it feels odd.

 

Verizon's service is being offered in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. It's likely that it'll land in Pennsylvania--my locale--soon.

 

What's notable about the Verizon 20/20 service is that it shows the telecom's giant to basically flip a switch and offer new speeds. If cable rivals upgrade, Verizon can just up the speeds. The fiber is in the ground and to the house. It's a game of partitioning. Verizon has invested heavily in FiOS, but it has a future proof network.

 

The next question is whether the 20/20 service is worth it. The service will run you $64.99 a month. My 15 Mbps/2 Mbps (download/upload) service is $49.99, but gets a slight discount since it's bundled with TV and phone service.

In the meantime, I'll ponder what I'd do with 20 Mbps upstream (since I'll probably get it just to say I have it). According to Verizon, I could upload 200 photos in about 90 seconds and 400 digital photos in less than four minutes. But how often am I going to do that?

Topics: Hardware, Mobility, Verizon

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  • There's only one problem witih FIOS

    I would jump on this in a heartbeat IF Verizon did not require you to use THEIR router. And there is no specific need for this requirement. It's a standard, everyday router they use.

    I'm sure it's because they don't want to have to support multiple models of routers.

    Well, all I can say is "Welcome to the world of being an ISP, Verizon".

    As soon as they allow me to use my DLink DIR-655 router, I will probably purchase this package and switch from cable.

    Until then, no chance.

    Many of today's routers can't even _support_ these kinds of wan-to-lan thru-put without losing performance or choking on the data. You need a high-performance router like the DIR-655, DGL-4300 or one of the newer Netgears to effectively use this much bandwidth.
    BitTwiddler
    • Their router just terminates the fiber

      Their router just terminates the fiber, no way your consumer router supports a fiber uplink.

      You still use your own router to do NAT and firewalling.
      georgeou
      • Not in my area...

        In Nova, you are required to use Verizons Wireless Router when you order the service.

        I'm not talking about their Fiber termination.
        BitTwiddler
      • Not so.

        Not true, George. Verizon supplies the router (a pretty good wireless g router, actually) and requires that you use it. And it is a basic copper router. The termination station at the point where the fiber comes in does the fiber to copper conversion, and the router takes care of negotiating with the CO. The requirement is there because of identity management, and for FiOS TV, which requires a coax connection to the set-top box for the On-Demand services they offer. You cannot substitute your own router. But you can run your own down-stream from the Verizon router. That is what I do, and I use my own wireless a/b/g access point for wireless. I keep my internal backbone at gigabit, and the only output to the WAN is through my router. With only one connection to the Verizon router active, I don't notice much slowdown.
        always-a-geek
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    BitTwiddler
    • You don't need 245 mbps for the uplink speed

      Even the Linksys WRT54G supports 22 mbps WAN-LAN and LAN-WAN which is good enough for a 20/20 connection.

      You can buy a $36 gigabit switch plus a $49 Buffalo wireless router that supports DD-WRT which is cheaper than the D-Link DIR-655.
      georgeou
      • I didn't say you did...

        But you need one that will clear your intended speeds with some overhead.

        For example. my 15Mbit Cox Cable connection actually gives me 23-28Mb/sec speeds. They actually over-deliver. The routers you mention could never handle it. I know, I had to replace my WRT54GS exactly because the speeds were being throttled.

        And you also can't forget about Speedboost, when it's in use. These older routers cannot handle the bandwidth during these boosts, and you get nothing out of it.

        Trust me. I've been through all this several times :)
        BitTwiddler
        • Most routers now have 10/100 speeds on the WAN side

          But if you need some getup and go, I would get an old 200MMX with 64MB of ram on it with 2 ethernet cards with m0n0wall on it. Then put a 8 port gigabit switch on it and you have a poor man's Cisco. Those cheap routers are good but they will have higher latency than the PC. But prepared to pay a little more for electricity and some, but not much heat. You don't even need a hard drive.

          I used the cdrom and floppy setup to download an iso.
          http://m0n0.ch/wall/

          This is a lot cheaper than a commercial router. You can always use gigabit cards in a even faster computer but it will be overkill and running costs higher.
          osreinstall
  • The End Of Cox Communications When Verizon Arrives

    I'll be glad when Cox is run out of Oklahoma City..the ripoff prices they charge for their "High Speed" Internet, and their "Hi-Def TV" (which is NOT hi-def, but just a cable box with the three component video cables and audio cables run to your HDTV..HELLO??? You want true hi-def you use HDMI cables...but don't tell your customers that they might cancel you and go to DirectTV and wait for Verizon...

    OH NO!!
    itanalyst
  • RE: Verizon offers new FiOS speeds: What do you do with 20 Mbps upstream?

    Verizon has a lot of network to pay for, and one of the ways to do it is to get that extra $15 from say, 40,000 of their subscribers. That's an extra $7M per year and it doesn't cost them any more to do. It will "feel" faster to those subscribers and they can't prove that it's NOT faster because the various disclaimers will point out how "conditions on the Internet" may affect actual speeds. It's just good selling.
    rvolkman@...
  • That sounds like a great deal from Verizon .

    Currently I'm paying Comcast 42.95 a month for 1.5 Mbps download . As for the
    powerboost C.R.A.P. , I don't see it . I'm glad I will be converting to Verizon this Friday
    .
    Intellihence
  • You use it for hosting services

    You use it for hosting services. You can host some serious services with 20 mbps. You can also do 720p high-definition video conferencing though your 2 mbps uplink will suffice for that.
    georgeou
    • I Wonder How The Cable Companies Are Going To Respond

      Comcast and Cox have to be shaking in their boots over this...Verizon seems to put more stock in quality and an affordable price than Cox, who puts price and sales over customer satisfaction...don't let the "JD Powers" awards fool you.
      itanalyst
      • I don't thinik the current Cable System...

        Can provide 20/20.

        I believe the current Docsis 2.0 ssytems cap out at around 30MBit/Sec for both directions. I could be wrong, but I'm sure I'm close.

        Allocation is a balancing act with cable. I doubt we EVER see 20Mbit upload speeds.
        BitTwiddler
        • True, True

          My buddy works for Verizon in Dallas and he says they are rolling out the fiber to the residences and people are snagging it up faster than they can get it rolled out because they provide TRUE digital cable and Internet and the price is comparable or better than what the cable providers are saying they give up.

          This is the end of the coax era.
          itanalyst
      • JD Power

        I don't know much about Cox Communications, but in the industry I work in, we refer to JD Power as "the company that sells the little trophies".
        elt10@...
    • Except you can't

      Except, you can't host any server at all on Verizon's net without upgrading to a commercial account, which, I believe, is significantly more expensive. You can't even use DDNS services. If they catch you, and the tech who did the install said they are very good at discovering servers on their networks, you lose your contract. So, I still wonder what the value of the package is for regular old Joe's like me...
      always-a-geek
  • Backup and videoconferencing

    Network backups are the best way to protect your data in case of fire or burglary. Many home NAS now support scheduled rsync backups or the equivalent.

    I back up my home server incrementally to a machine I have at work over DSL. It currently backs up about 1GB per night running between midnight and 8AM. 20MBps upload would increase this by almost 2 orders of magnitude and make it truly viable for a large segment. Sadly I am stuck in an AT&T service area and will likely not see anything remotely approaching real bandwidth until snowballs in August.
    fazalmajid
  • If Only

    If only I could get Verizon's FIOS where I live I would dump Charter in a hot second. I am currently paying more than $49.99 a month for Charter's 10/1 package and I have yet to see anything near 10 Mbps. The day Verizon makes FIOS available in my area is the same day I plan on signing up.
    kms147@...
  • no hosting hah

    this 20/20 with such restrictions is a bad idea, you cant host from it, so its only for general use, so al there doing is making your internet a bit snappyer, and helping all the zombie computers linked to botnets have enough BW to denial of service attack a website single handedly!!!!!

    bad idea, comcast is #1 for number of botnet pc's in there network, but verizon is #2, and with 20/20 speed, every 1 of verizons counts as 10!!!! this is bad!
    masterxtds