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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Verizon to challenge FCC's net neutrality order

By | January 20, 2011, 1:34pm PST

Summary: Verizon will challenge the Federal Communications Commission’s Net neutrality issued as 2010 was winding down. The gist: The FCC doesn’t have the Congressional authority to act.

Verizon said Thursday that it will challenge the Federal Communications Commission’s Net neutrality issued as 2010 was winding down.

The challenge isn’t entirely unexpected. Even some of the FCC’s commissioners argued that the order reached beyond its Congressional authority. In a statement, Verizon’s deputy general counsel Michael Glover said:

Today’s filing is the result of a careful review of the FCC’s order. We are deeply concerned by the FCC’s assertion of broad authority for sweeping new regulation of broadband networks and the Internet itself.  We believe this assertion of authority goes well beyond any authority provided by Congress, and creates uncertainty for the communications industry, innovators, investors and consumers.

The Verizon argument is very simple. The court already shot down FCC’s previous Net neutrality effort because it didn’t have authority.

The FCC framework breaks down like this:

  • Consumers will have a transparent view into how networks are being managed. This information will allow consumers to make a decision on whether to subscribe or use a particular broadband network.
  • Consumers and innovators “have a right to send and receive lawful Internet traffic — to go where they want and say what they want online, and to use the devices of their choice.” Blocking legal content, apps, devices and services is prohibited.
  • No central authority should be able to pick winners or losers by discriminating against “lawful network traffic.”
  • Meanwhile, broadband providers should have the “meaningful flexibility” to manage their networks. These providers should also have incentives—ie profit potential—to build out networks.

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski last month said:

We’re told by some to not try and fix what’s not broken. Countless innovators and investors say just the opposite. We’ve heard from so many entrepreneurs, venture capitalists and CEOs and their message is clear: The next decade of innovation is at risk without basic rules of the road. Our action will strengthen Internet job creation and ensure Internet freedom at home and around the world.

Here’s Verizon’s appeal:

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I'm really scared, @adornoe@...
search & destroy 27th Jan 2011
Or was that "ID" banned?

I dunno. Was it?

LOL...
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Anne Nonymous 20th Jan 2011
The article above does not mention that the restrictions on providers are onerous (the summary above presents a whitewashed description of them), prevent ISPs from selling service plans that users want, will raise the cost of broadband service, will harm competition, and are not legal (the FCC doesn't have the power to regulate the Internet).

It also fails to mention that they were written by Google, with the express intent of transferring money from ISPs to Google, and then pushed through by lobbyists who - thanks to Google campaign contributions - got inside jobs at the White House and the FCC.
@Anne Nonymous

We need Net Neutrality....by Net Neutrality, I mean that ISPs should charge customers for bandwidth usage. A customer who pays $50 per month for Internet should have a bandwidth cap. Another person who pays $80 to $100 should not have the same cap....if they have a cap at all. I don't and I pay the highest rate possible for my Internet connection.....complete with a block of static ip's for my server rack including web server, exchange server, etc. I told my ISP what I was doing and what I would be using and that I was willing to pay what I need to pay to do that. Net neutrality is not...or should not be about bandwidth entitlement.

At the same time, ISPs should not be throtteling data packets from a particular website or protocol. They should only be concerned about the bandwidth consumed....not the content of what is consumed, unless of course, it is something illegal like pirated content.

I think Net Neutrality should be in the form of an RFC like anything else that has to do with the Internet....but I'm fine with what the FCC has offered up.
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RE: Verizon to challenge FCC's net neutrality order
pyrofox.insane@... 21st Jan 2011
@VRSpock If I have a bandwidth cap, I want it to be on how much I can download a second, not a month, A 56k modem has the capabilities of downloading 140gb a month. If you want to do some conversions to approximate download speed allowed with say a 5gb cap, the average download rate per month is something near 1kb/s.

I think it is false advertising to sell a service that is "1mb/s" down. When the service is capped, the average internet speed a month is terrible.

And your right capping is not really an argument for net neutrality. The real issue is how much will it cost web hosts and the internet community itself if certain services get priority over other services when there is only a limited amount of bandwidth available. I really don't understand how that can be managed without discrimination. If one protocol has superiority over another, the lower one will not be allowed the speed that they pay for. They need to keep everything simple and stupid. "get an upload speed per second, pay for it, and if you want a better upload speed, purchase more" .
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@VRSpock

I agree with everything you just said. I pay for the 30MBPS service with Insight, which is excellent. They have tiered systems of 5, 10, 20, 30, and 50; with 1GBS coming soon. I also agree that they should not throttle services such as Netflix. Where we disagree is how to go about this. My argument is very simple, keep the federal government out of it, period. As stated on this forum many times, your local county or city attorney has the authority to stop illegal business practices. Obviously this throttling is illegal by the ISPs, I am not sure if Insight practices this or not, but I have not heard complaints about them; more about Comcast and Cox. Remember that your local city or county attorney is an elected official; therefore a huge incentive to get on the front page of the paper with the headline that they shut down the illegal practices of the local ISP. The moment that Net Neutrality was enacted by the FCC, the Obama administration started a plan for a national internet ID. This is not a political or left vs. right issue; this is just scary. The internet is not broken; most things the government touches is.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027800-281.html?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks
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Sorry... wrong placement....
adornoe@... Updated - 20th Jan 2011
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The article above does not mention that the restrictions on providers are onerous

LOL... grin

prevent ISPs from selling service plans that users want,

Oh, and you really believe they are at the moment? What dreamworld are you coming from?

will raise the cost of broadband service,

Don't need government involvement to do that. That's already happening due to unilateral rate increases, lies about "unlimited broadband" and sweetheart deals with local governments to carve up territories among a few monopolies.

will harm competition,

There currently is no competition and if you really believe that there is, then you are a bigger idiot than Loverock Davidson.

and are not legal (the FCC doesn't have the power to regulate the Internet).

Well that remains to be seen. The final word is not in yet.

It also fails to mention that they were written by Google, with the express intent of transferring money from ISPs to Google, and then pushed through by lobbyists who - thanks to Google campaign contributions - got inside jobs at the White House and the FCC.

Not to mention Comcast and Verizon campaign contributions to lobby Congress. Or did you really believe nobody would notice that particular point?

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/79557-comcast-ge-ramp-up-campaing-contributions-to-key-lawmakers-ahead-of-merger-scrutiny

http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article252227.ece

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/telecom/report.aspx?aid=744
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Huh?
LegendsOfBatman 21st Jan 2011
@ahh so
This was completely uncalled for. Whether someone is an idiot or not, it detracts from any legitimate points you were making.
Worse, you attacked someone who had nothing to do with this conversation. Their love for MS, and your personal feelings about their opinions may or may not be true, but, have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, and adds nothing to it.

Shame on you.
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to insist on regulating the internet and the ISPs.

So, your statement about "it remains to be seen" is completely incorrect and misinformed. The courts have already ruled that the FCC doesn't have the power to regulate the internet and that the FCC is overstepping its boundaries. Regulations, if they're needed, are part of the powers of congress, not some out-of-control and politically biased agency.
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So, your statement about "it remains to be seen" is completely incorrect and misinformed. The courts have already ruled that the FCC doesn't have the power to regulate the internet and that the FCC is overstepping its boundaries.

Actually if you bothered to read the link up above, it was only the Federal Appeals Court in the District of Columbia that decided this. So technically the Supreme Court would have the final say as far as the judicial appeals process is concerned.

So far, we haven't seen the FCC appeal that lower court's ruling, which still begs the question as to why Verizon is even bothering to do this since that particular appeals court ruled in their favor.

Regulations, if they're needed, are part of the powers of congress, not some out-of-control and politically biased agency.

Then the Congress is going to have to spell out and define what specific role the FCC is going to have to play (or not play) in all this, and so far they seem reluctant to do so. Another case of politicians not doing their job and avoiding the issue.
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@LegendsOfBatman says...
This was completely uncalled for. Whether someone is an idiot or not, it detracts from any legitimate points you were making.

Then stop telling bold-faced lies .

Worse, you attacked someone who had nothing to do with this conversation.

What? Are you kidding? LOL...

Their love for MS, and your personal feelings about their opinions may or may not be true, but, have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, and adds nothing to it.

I never said anything about M$. Are you sure I'm the one that isn't staying on topic here? I think you better reassess that particular point.

Just cut the lies about the current situation. We all know what was blathered up above by Annie baby, isn't truly the case.

Besides, I can't stand people who lie to me. Ditto that.
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LegendsOfBatman, pay him no mind
Mister Spock 23rd Jan 2011
@ahh so is one of the many trolls that roam these boards looking for "a cheap thrill" by hiding behind a screen name insulting people.

It is most likely he is just everyone's lacky outside these boards, this being the only place he can "puff his chest".
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Actually if you bothered to read the link up above, it was only the Federal Appeals Court in the District of Columbia that decided this. So technically the Supreme Court would have the final say as far as the judicial appeals process is concerned.

Actually, you're wrong about the appeals process as it concerns what the FCC would or will do.

What the FCC did in the first place was to reach in the hopes that they wouldn't be taken to court, and they knew all along that they didn't have the authority to regulate against the ISPs or on the internet front to begin with. So, it's very doubtful that the FCC would appeal anything for which they were swatted down and for which they had no authority to begin with. So, the Supreme court would never hear any appeal from the FCC because the FCC knows that they would've lost big time in that court too.

So far, we haven't seen the FCC appeal that lower court's ruling,

And the FCC won't go that far because they were just hoping to "throw something at the wall in the hopes of something sticking". The people at the FCC were hoping that nobody would challenge their authority, and, once they got challenged and lost, they're not going to appeal that ruling again at any level of courts.

which still begs the question as to why Verizon is even bothering to do this since that particular appeals court ruled in their favor.

Verizon is "doing this" because the FCC, just like the first time, is overreaching, and they need to be stopped. If nobody took the FCC to court, it would be guaranteeing a lot more intervention by the FCC and the federal government into the internet and all other forms of communications and free-speech formats. Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that Verizon "did this" just to protect free speech, but, the biggest point for Verizon and any other ISP is that the FCC had no rights under the constitution to interfere where they had not been granted regulatory powers.

Comprende?

Then the Congress is going to have to spell out and define what specific role the FCC is going to have to play (or not play) in all this, and so far they seem reluctant to do so.

The new congress has already stated their concerns about the overreaching FCC and they've also indicated that they will create new legislation to stop the FCC and to spell out the specific and limited powers that the FCC will have.

Meanwhile, just because there is no specific legislation to prevent the overreaching by the FCC, does not mean that the FCC is free to dictate or regulate as they wish.

The absence of a law is not an excuse to go and regulate and control. That's not the way it works.

Another case of politicians not doing their job and avoiding the issue.

No, you got that wrong too.

Like I mentioned above, the absence of a law or legislation directly forbidding the FCC from regulating, is not the same as a license to go an regulate as they wish. Those powers which have not been granted to the federal government belong at the state and local levels. That is specifically in the 10th amendment to the constitution. Thus, the absence of a law is covered by the 10th amendment and therefore, the FCC does not have that power.

You should read up a little about that darn thing that continues to get in the way of the dictatorially minded FCC and EPA and other big government agencies. If you don't know what I mean by "that darn thing that continues to get in the way", well, it's called the constitution. Perhaps you haven't heard of it.
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@ahh so is one of the many trolls that roam these boards looking for "a cheap thrill" by hiding behind a screen name insulting people.

Now that's rich coming from a pointy eared wannabe like you.

Hiding behind a screen name? Why don't you tell us your real name and I'll tell you mine. Hmmm?

It is most likely he is just everyone's lacky outside these boards, this being the only place he can "puff his chest".

Aww, are you upset because I'm (supposedly) somebody else's 'lackey' and not yours? - lol...

Let us know when you stop being a Trekkie hypocrite. K?
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adornoe@...teabagger blathers again
ahh so Updated - 24th Jan 2011
I know you're talking to the other guy but I do hope a moron such as yourself will someday get a clue and realize all your blather is just speculative horsesh!t opinion on your part and not bona fide fact. You don't know what's in the minds of the FCC or Verizon any more than I do, so let's cut the condescending bullsh!t shall we.

Btw, I'm still waiting on that lawsuit from you, o' anonymous one.

Toodle-doodle-doo.
Toodle-doodle-doo

LOL... grin
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because, the threat of a "lawsuit" of which you speak, I used on somebody else, namely "search & destroy", so, unless you can point at the specific post where I mentioned a lawsuit against "ahh so", then I'm going to assume that, you're operating here with 2 different monikers.

Now, considering, your post, again, whether as "search & destroy" or as "ahh so", you end up losing the argument when the only argument you issue is insults against the opposition.
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So what, adornoe@...
ahh so Updated - 25th Jan 2011
Am I supposed to really care? A fake name like you? An anonymous electron nobody on a blog somewhere?

You're a condescending a$$hole and that's all the 'argument' I care about.
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Or was that "ID" banned?

We already know about your multiple member IDs, and so do the administrators of the forum.

I'll be checking in to see what actions they take about your foul and insulting language and your multiple member IDs.

And, hey, I think I recognized you as one or two other members, one of them 2 weeks ago, but those posts were immediately removed by the administrators. Your type of posting is easily recognizable, no matter what ID you use.
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I'm really scared, @adornoe@...
search & destroy 27th Jan 2011
Or was that "ID" banned?

I dunno. Was it?

LOL...
@Anne Nonymous
Yes the FCC does have the power to regulate any transmission in this country, whether through the airwaves or through any type of wire.
@rfa101
And therein lies the problem. The ariwaves belong to the people and we screwed up by allowing the government to manage them for us. The same is now being attempted with respect internet traffic; whether hardline or ether, this too should belong to the people.
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@dwhipple:
The skies belong to "the people," yet I don't see you complaining about the FAA. The streets belong to "the people" but I bet you don't mind that Big Government won't let "the people" cross a red light. Besides, "the people" have nothing to do with this. The FCC is proposing to regulate ISPs - billion-dollar corporations (with exceptions, granted) - not "the people."
Besides, "the people" have nothing to do with this. The FCC is proposing to regulate ISPs - billion-dollar corporations (with exceptions, granted) - not "the people."

@rfa101 - Good point. Some people believe these gilded entities are above everybody else. That they are somehow exempt from the rules and regulations that everybody else has to live under.
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RE: Verizon to challenge FCC's net neutrality order
evilkillerwhale@... 22nd Jan 2011
@scripter

Uh, I am actually upset about all those things.
The FAA doesn't know how many planes fly per year. They often have records that indicate a particular plane flew for DAYS and it flew around the world multiple times non-stop (and these aren't military planes which could refuel in air, either).

Traffic lights are also questionable, as shown by the UK, China, India, Sweden and several others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBcz-Y8lqOg&feature=youtu.be

Also, you're proposing that corporations are NOT made up of people? I am unsure why that seems to be the common response nowadays. Businesses are made of people. End of story. Similar to the classic line about the government being "of" the people. In classic Watchmen sense, who governs the government?
Also, you're proposing that corporations are NOT made up of people? I am unsure why that seems to be the common response nowadays. Businesses are made of people. End of story.

Yeah but I didn't vote for that corporation. I didn't have a chance to elect anybody since I am not a member of that narrow body of shareholders that gets to vote for them once a year. Most people (like myself) don't have money to squander in the stock market so it's a Pyrrhic comparison by you at best.

I also didn't get to 'vote' for that ISP. That ISP was handed to me based on the geographic area where I live. That was not based on a popular vote. If I had a choice, I would choose another one but since another one isn't available where I live, I'm stuck with what I have. It's either that or nothing. A dictatorship by monopoly.
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@Anne Nonymous
Anne, next time you see your boss at Verizon, could you mention to him that this question was answered by the Supreme Court in a case called "Brand X decison".
HE'S NOT GOING TO LIKE IT!
with phrases or statements such as "our actions will strengthen Internet job creation".

That is a typical sales tactic to try to win favor with anybody that doesn't bother to ask the followup questions, such as, "how would this program accomplish that?", and, "why is it the government's responsibility to try to create the jobs that the businesses should be handling themselves"?. Regardless of the questions, anytime government tries to justify or rationalize any of their actions, run to the hills, because not much good is going to come from them.
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YES
MSFTWorshipper 20th Jan 2011
@adornoe@... always ask the questions:

- whose palms are being greased to get the legislation through

- who stands to benefit? hint: not the consumer
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The answers should be quite obvious...
adornoe@... 21st Jan 2011
whose palms are being greased to get the legislation through

Politicians?

who stands to benefit? hint: not the consumer

You got that one right, but probably accidentally.

The consumer is always hurt, even though they sometimes think that they're being helped by government regulations.

In the end, the consumer is the one with the least benefit since they always end up paying for the regulations with increased prices on the goods and services being regulated.
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Other side
hoaxoner 20th Jan 2011
Beware of ISPs who try to maintain their competitive advantage through litigation and lobbying instead of innovation, quality and price.
And, where do you think the "innovations, and quality, and low prices" for what we use came from? Most certainly, it wasn't from government, although government played a big part in the initial research which gave us the internet.
@adornoe@...
Hence I said maintain. They certainly innovated at the beginning. However, they are fighting the commoditization of their products, which hurts the end user. I would rather they not become the oil and energy industry.
@adornoe@...
Also, you're false that the government doesn't play a role. The government sets the rules for the market, and then the companies flourish or don't as the case may be. In this current example, the government probably should have played a larger role and determined standards, in which case, the consumers could choose the handsets and the plans at will.
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hoaxoner: Wrong!
adornoe@... 21st Jan 2011
Also, you're false that the government doesn't play a role. The government sets the rules for the market, and then the companies flourish or don't as the case may be.

Government does not have a role in determining how the private sector should function. The constitution provided for government's role to be limited to the promotion of business between the states and with foreign entities.

In this current example, the government probably should have played a larger role and determined standards,

It is not the government's business to play a role in how a business or industry runs business. That intervention without justification, even if you think that government is justified in the current case.

The government's only role is to provide the environment from which the private sector can flourish. That does not mean control or regulations, which ultimately and almost always, end up being detrimental to business.

in which case, the consumers could choose the handsets and the plans at will.

The consumer still has the ultimate choices, and it's not any of the business of government to step in to decide between winners and losers. Businesses should be allowed to flourish or to obliterate themselves, wholly dependent on how the leaders of those companies manage the businesses. Government intervention is oftentimes much more detrimental to businesses than whatever those businesses did to themselves. Have you ever examined what government regulations does to the private sector? Chances are that you haven't, and I would advice you to find out. Hint: ever notice how many businesses shipped jobs and plant facilities to distant lands because of our government regulations?
@adornoe@...
It most certainly does. Without government, meaning the elected citizens, determining fair play, via antitrust, standards, etc., we would still be under the thumb of American telephone and telegraph. The more companies vertically integrate, the more we get screwed in the long run.

Keep living in your foolish fantasy.
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or a socialist, and you are apparently a big government proponent and a socialist.

It most certainly does.

No, it doesn't! Government's role was specifically limited by the constitution, and for very good reasons. Government intrusion almost always ends up hurting the economy and the people and the country in its entirety. There's no better indication of how damaging government intrusion is than the current state of the economy, which has been brought down to its knees from government regulations and government control.

Without government, meaning the elected citizens,

That's a bunch of bull-crap.

The citizens, if they were well-informed about the issues, would not be, either directly or indirectly, wanting what has come out of big government, especially the feds in Washington. But, the citizens did in fact learn some very hard lessons in the last few years with the downturn in the economy, and now they've voted to get government under control with a new congress. I guess you didn't notice the outcome of the congressional elections in November.

determining fair play,

That is NOT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT in Washington. Determining winners and losers is a role for the citizenry at large, not for the elected officials who, once voted into office, go in a different direction from the promises they made to get elected.

via antitrust, standards, etc.,

Anti-trust is one thing, and it should be one of the only laws that exist

to prevent non-competitive environments. But, once in place, it's a

matter for the courts to decide how to enforce those regulations, and the

executive branch should not get involved, and congress should not be out

there trying to effect the outcome of any litigation or court cases.

we would still be under the thumb of American telephone and

telegraph.

Yet, now we're under the thumb of many "mini-ATTs", which from the sound

of it, is not serving the public any better than the old ATT, and in fact,

there are many more problems than existed with the ATT monopoly.

I'm not saying we need monopolies, but we don't need for government to

intervene into the public sector in trying to determine winners and

losers. Most of what comes out of Washington is politically motivated and

most times is not undertaken to "help the citizens".

The more companies vertically integrate, the more we get screwed in the

long run.

Businesses come and go, and many businesses could close down if they're "out-competed", and we can end up with an environment of non-competitiveness. Should the government then take it upon itself to
create the competition? There are many instances where businesses feel that they can offer better and less costly services to the consumers by "joining forces". So, should the government be in the business of preventing a "better and less costly" service just because if might create a non-competitive environment?
Keep living in your foolish fantasy.

As a former liberal myself, I know your side of the argument, and probably

a lot better than you. I could actually go and make the same exact

arguments you're making and could probably cite better examples for

government intervention in the free-market. But, I would be doing it

without my heart being on that side of the argument anymore.

The fantasyland is the place where people keep doing the same thing over

and over again with the hope of a different outcome. Socialism and

liberal ideas, no matter how wonderful they sound, don't take into

consideration the real makeup of what humans are about.

People, once they become comfortable with handouts and government

intervention on their behalf, stop being productive. That's why welfare

was a failure, with people just becoming dependents on the government and

not seeking to better themselves. That's the same with any other

government intervention into people's lives and with the business sector.

Once people or businesses get comfortable with their predefined

expectations that government is there to provide, the economy and the

country start going downhill; and that's exactly what's happened with the

current state of the economy reflecting that.

Big government inevitably ends up with destroyed economies and destroyed

lives and destroyed countries, and the only recourse at that point is to

start over, similar to what Russia had to do some 20 years ago.

Your argument has been heard throughout the ages, and, although it

oftentimes takes a long time, the results are always the same: failure.

The USSR took some 70 years before they realized that communism, with

socialism and government directives as it's economic engine, could not be

self-sustainable. Cuba and Venezuela are experiencing the same kind of

madness that occurred in the USSR, and to some extent, it's the same kind

of madness going on in North Korea and other places that have heavy

government involvement in people's lives. Even the much touted Chinese

"growing" economy will eventually collapse, and that's because just about

everything that's happening there is under strict government control and

supervision. Nothing happens in China without the government having a say

about it.

We witnessed the downfall of the great American economy, and the downfall

came from the socialism which crept into the economy throughout the years,

but, a lot of that happened because of government intervention.

But, of course, you're going to have a different take on things and your

boogeyman will always be the creeps in Wall Street and big businesses who

are "uncaring" about the "citizens".

Your version of fantasyland is not very big when all that you can see in

it is the darkness with your head buried in the sand.
To be honest, all I care about is getting my Netflix streaming on demand, on time, and on par with all my other content. (That is to say, using the same bandwidth, no throttling.) Without having to pay a separate fee to my ISP just to get Netflix on those terms.

And I would bet that every other Netflix customer would agree with that sentiment.

And I would also bet that the vast majority of Net neutrality debates with the FCC and Congress boil down to issues with Netflix and (possibly) Wikileaks.

Which means that, at the end of the day, both the FCC and Congress will have hell to pay if Netflix customers don't get their way.

Either that, or Netflix will seek to become an ISP, or perhaps partner with an ISP.
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While I am normally loath to have regulations from the federal government, this is one area I think needs regulation. It is certainly interstate (thus within the scope of federal regulation). So then the question is what does this particular regulation do.

It allows individuals the right to purchase bandwidth in much the same manner as they purchase a phone. There are no additional charges for me to call anyone on my phone within the U.S. I can call Alaska for the same price as calling down the street. (Mostly because of data competition, not voice competition, and the digitizing of voice, but that is another story.) There isn't a charge for calling someone that is not on my carriers phone network, and the call has to be completed. There is no filtering of who I may or may not call, or time limits on how long I may talk. This regulation does the same thing. When I buy a phone, I don't have to worry about what is or is not on my carrier's network, I just make the call.

I should not have to worry about what I want to (legally) view on the internet. ISPs are the equivalent of telephone carriers. This regulation just assures that to remain the case.
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What do I want?
rhonin 20th Jan 2011
Unfortunately the current "Net Neutrality" is more of a lose - lose solution.
My biggest concern is the understanding that for what I pay, I can download whatever content I want with no throttling or additional charges.
Give me that and I am happy for now.
Some competition would be nice though.....
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A Camel
dlsweb 20th Jan 2011
A camel is the result of a horse being fixed by the government.
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Another creationist speaks!!!!
JohnVoter 23rd Jan 2011
@dlsweb
Camels work better than horses in their environment. But the were created by evolution.
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but, dlsweb is wrong in a way too. Camels do perform certain functions in their environment and therefore, it works quite well.

What he was trying to say, in a funny way, was that, what the government creates is mostly flawed, and in that sense, dlsweb is quite right, and you, like always, are wrong.

BTW, dlsweb's post was not about his beliefs on evolution or creation, just to clear things up for you.
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Is Someting Better Than Nothing?
jpr75_z Updated - 20th Jan 2011
If you think the Industry (ISPs) will regulate themselves and do what is in the best interest of the consumer, you are either a Republican in the pocket of the ISPs or a sadly ignorant person. Corporate America has shown time and again they cannot be trusted to do the right thing, and this is no different. Without some kind of regulation, the consumer will end up with an outrageously expensive Internet controlled by a handful of companies who are also controlling what you see, where you go, when you do it and how often you do it. Look at what we are seeing now - increasing rates, bandwidth caps, attempts at traffic prioritization and companies like Apple, who is getting very cozy with the cell phone companies, telling you what apps you can and cannot use. Are you kidding me - NO THANKS !
@jpr75_z "If you think the Industry (ISPs) will regulate themselves and do what is in the best interest of the consumer, you are either a Republican in the pocket of the ISPs or a sadly ignorant person."

That's exactly why this internet thing has never gotten off the ground. Excellent point.
@gitmo Well played. I thought the exact same thing when reading jpr75's nonsense. "Corporate America has shown time and again they cannot be trusted to do the right thing." -- Oh...but the federal government certainly has, haven't they?

The fact of the matter is that the consumers dictate what the corporations do. If we won't pay cash money for it, they won't provide it. That's exactly how it should be. No need for legislators (who are in the pockets of lobbyists) to start throwing down mandates.
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@durmans

The fact of the matter is consumers only dictate when there is an actual free market with low barriers to entry and competition. The way it stands right now, Comcast has no cable TV competition in my area and internet service competition only from Verizon, who is just as bad. Cable companies strike deals with municipalities to gain prefered treatment and become the only cable company in town, in light of that fact the free market is not operating and thus cannot give the desired outcome. The role of government is to mitigate these issues.
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@jpr75_z Being a republican can be either thing... Sadly ignorant or in the pocket of big corporations.
and you are a prime example of that.

And, you started off by blaming "republicans" who might be in the pocket of the ISPs. Right from the start, you start with the politically charged and ignorant accusation. So, which of the ISPs is paying "republicans" so they can continue to screw the consumers? From the start, you lost the argument, even if you didn't really have one.

And, the most ignorant part of you rant is the one where you think that regulations are going to protect consumers and bring down, or keep down, the cost of bandwidth. The opposite is true. Anytime regulations are introduced into any market segment, the cost of doing business goes up for that segment, including every business in that segment. Who do you think is going to pay for that added cost? Hint: it ain't going to be the businesses. It's the consumer who ends up paying more when the businesses end up passing the additional costs to the consumer with increased prices for the products/services to those businesses.

Look, before you start off with your uninformed rants, try to get a better education about how things really work.
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The Rest of The World ...
johnfenjackson@... 21st Jan 2011
... would be very grateful if Americans would get off the pot and instead of arguing about their ponderous legislative system ... recognise the need to control the unbridled greed and restrictions repeatedly thrust on consumers and businesses by the major IT corporations.

Similarly readers would be very grateful if ZDNET writers would pillory said corporations and their Government at every turn ... rather than sitting on the fence or producing another 'Apple or M$' flamebait article.

Recognise the problem and work for a solution.

Alternatively just pass me the iPad - the mobile coverage here is lousy and I need to order a Big Mac and Coke before watching the baseball game on TV.

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