Between the Lines

Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Will Intel's 3-D processors land Apple foundry deal?

By | May 4, 2011, 10:44am PDT

Summary: Intel executives talked 3-D transistors and performance leaps on lower power, but the elephant in the room remained ARM, smartphones and tablets. An Apple foundry deal would change all of that.

Intel executives on Wednesday talked 3-D transistors, performance leaps on lower power and usage in a wide range of computing devices. However, the elephant in the room remained ARM and Intel’s prospects in the smartphone and tablet market.

Those prospects may still rest with Apple and a foundry deal.

Simply put, Intel’s announcement that it will add “fins” to transistors to make them 3-D eliminates clock speed as the measuring stick for performance. Performance “won’t be necessarily measured by frequency,” said Dadi Perlmutter, executive vice president of Intel’s Architecture Group.

Sounds like a recipe for smartphones and tablets right? When asked about when Intel’s 22nm 3-D chips will hit smaller devices, Perlmutter said: “We have a date for transistors in smartphones and tablets, but we’re not going to tell you.” In fact. Perlmutter promised more on Intel’s mobile plans at its May 17 investor meeting.

From there the conversation between reporters and Perlmutter revolved around ARM. Perlmutter downplayed ARM architecture vs. x86, but at the same time made it clear that Intel was going to be competitive with performance on tablets and smartphones.

The big issue here is that Intel’s Atom chip today doesn’t have the ecosystem or graphics capability to compete with ARM. The other reality is that Intel’s move into smartphones and tablets with Atom would require an industry to change architectures.

Add it up and Intel may have a tough road even with 22nm, 3-D transistors and a three year lead on rivals. What could change the equation? Apple. Related: The case for Intel making Apple’s mobile chips: A Wintel of the post-PC era

Analysts have been arguing that Apple could use Intel for a foundry deal. In other words, Intel may be an option for Apple’s A6 chips, but today’s announcement is really about the A7, A8 or A9. Can Apple and Intel team up and grab a massive lead—Mactel if you will—and then force the industry to move to Atom? Or conversely, could Intel go to ARM and leverage its breakthrough on 3-D transistors in volume?

It’s possible either way. Clearly, Apple and Intel could create a win-win chip partnership. Intel on Wednesday talked about transistor gains not necessarily architecture. There’s no reason why Intel couldn’t use its 22nm manufacturing lead and couple it with 3-D transistors on an ARM architecture.

If you read between the lines, Intel dangled a few nice carrots for Apple. Perlmutter said “there are a few things we’re trying to penetrate” in the smartphone and tablet market. You can read that to mean an Apple foundry deal.

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Larry Dignan is Editor in Chief of ZDNet and SmartPlanet as well as Editorial Director of ZDNet's sister site TechRepublic. He was most recently Executive Editor of News and Blogs at ZDNet. Prior to that he was executive news editor at eWeek and news editor at Baseline. He also served as the East Coast news editor and finance editor at CNET News.com. Larry has covered the technology and financial services industry since 1995, publishing articles in WallStreetWeek.com, Inter@ctive Week, The New York Times, and Financial Planning magazine. He's a graduate of the Columbia School of Journalism and the University of Delaware.

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RE: Will Intel's 3-D processors land Apple foundry deal?
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@kenift How come nobody advertises by o/s instead of Hz?
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If Apple did this..
Alansonit 4th May 2011
I'd have an iPhone in an instant and I'm probably the most reluctant to join the Apple fanboi crowd.
@Alansonit: ... the kind that collaboration with Apple would bring -- with use only manufacturing facilities of Intel and no actual input in the design except for use of 3D transistors.
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They are not stupid. They dont care if their profit comes from higher margin lower volume chips or lower margin high volume chips. They know they can make billions on each and they know they make zero revenue or profit on chips made by TI or nvidia or qualcom.
@Johnny Vegas: ... billion to silicon manufacturers (Samsung Microelectronics currently).

That is because these SoC are super cheap: even if Apple sells like 130-150 million iOS devices, the SoC revenue from that volume for Samsung is only -- very roughly -- $20 * 150 million = $3 billion. Additional 25 million of non iOS iPods with cheaper SoC will bring like another $250 million maximum.

So, basically there is little sense for Intel to use new technology for such small market.

However, general PC CPUs (which Apple buys at rate 15-20 million per year, not mentioning all the other Intel's customers) are much pricier and this is where sales and, most importantly, margins for Intel.
@Johnny Vegas: Who are they? You said "wants", retard.
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Where does that leave AMD
Bill Pharaoh 4th May 2011
Wintel and Mactel - What happens to AMD?
> Performance ?won?t be necessarily measured by frequency,? said Dadi Perlmutter
Er... PPC. AMD. ARM.
@kenift How come nobody advertises by o/s instead of Hz?

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