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Windows 8 analysis: One thing right and two things wrong

By | June 6, 2011, 2:00am PDT

Summary: Microsoft has given us its first public demo of Windows 8. It looks flashy, but Microsoft is still trying to marry tablets with desktops. This time, it could ruin the standard version of Windows in the process.

Microsoft has given us a first taste of Windows 8. Unfortunately, while it has some attractive visual elements, Microsoft’s approach shows that the company hasn’t learned much from its product failures over the past decade.

My first impression is that there are two big problems with what Microsoft is doing in Windows 8, but there’s also one change where the old software behemoth is on the right track. Take a look at Microsoft’s first five-minute demo video of Windows 8 and then read my analysis below.

The Windows 8 demo

The video below was released on Wednesday evening to coincide with Windows President Steven Sinofsky offering the first public demo of Windows 8 at the All Things Digital conference (a.k.a. D9). In this video, Jensen Harris, director of program management for the Windows User Experience, provides a quick walk-through and promises that more video demos will be coming soon.

One thing right

Alright, first for the positive. Microsoft is finally getting serious about multitouch, which users love for its simplicity. The new UI that it showed off at D9 and in the Web video obviously draws a lot of influence from Microsoft’s recent work on Zune and Windows Phone 7. Although Microsoft says this new Windows 8 UI will be used for desktops, laptops, and tablets, the demo is on a 10-inch tablet and it’s pretty clear that this is Microsoft’s answer to the iPad, which has been doggedly eating into the sales of Windows PCs. The UI looks clean and self-evident, and it introduces some nice UI innovations for multitasking that a lot of tablet users will appreciate.

Microsoft has been doing touch interfaces for a long time. The original Windows CE (a.k.a. Windows Mobile) had basic touch. Microsoft Surface has sported advanced multitouch gestures and a multitouch UX. But, Microsoft has allowed Apple, Google, HTC, Samsung, and others to outflank them in winning over the masses to multitouch devices.

Think about this. At the D5 conference four years ago when Microsoft’s Bill Gates and Apple’s Steve Jobs shared the stage, both of them had forthcoming multitouch products to boast about. Jobs had the iPhone and Gates had Microsoft Surface — and, at the time, the tech community was excited about both. The iPhone has sold over 90 million units since then, and spun off massive sales of the iPod Touch and the iPad as well. The Microsoft Surface is now available in a dozen bars in Las Vegas.

Two things wrong

There are two big issues with what Microsoft is trying to do in Windows 8, although they both boil down to the fact that the company is still trying to be all things to all people, and as a result it’s unlikely to make any of its customers fully happy.

First, let’s talk about Microsoft’s shotgun approach to product development in Windows 8. On Wednesday, Windows president Steven Sinofsky said, ”It’s ‘no compromise’ and that’s really important to us.”

When I hear “no compromise,” it usually means “no discipline.” Microsoft has always been afraid to offend any of its potential customers, so it typically piles tons of features on top of the existing codebase and ends up with a Frankenstein monster like Microsoft Office.

When I first heard about Microsoft’s Windows 8 plans on Wednesday night, I posted on Twitter that my translation of “no compromise” was a lack of discipline. I got several great responses from tech professionals who agreed, but the best was from @dgackey, who wrote, “When you say ‘no’ to nothing, it usually means you know nothing about your market.”

What Sinofsky is referring to when he says “no compromise” is that tablets running Windows 8 will run tablet apps, HTML5 apps, and traditional Windows apps, and that Windows 8 itself will run on both traditional PCs as well as tablets.

I would have thought Microsoft learned its lesson here. It has already tried to take the full version of Windows 7 and run it on tablets. These “slates” — as Microsoft calls tablets — have gotten trounced by the iPad. Now, Microsoft has decided to take the full version of Windows and make sweeping UI changes so that it’s much more tablet-friendly and then apply all of those changes to the standard desktop/laptop version of Windows as well. Say what?

That leads me to the second big issue with Windows 8 — it just might ruin the core Windows product that powers most of today’s laptops and desktops. A touch-based UI focuses on large icons and images and imprecise actions (to accomodate different sized fingers). Meanwhile, a traditional UI for a standard mouse and keyboard has much smaller, more complex, and more precise actions and navigational elements. By forcing the tablet-focused Windows 8 UI on traditional Windows, Microsoft could end up removing much of the power and precision that most users rely on to do their daily work.

Microsoft would be much better off just creating a tablet OS, while continuing to tweak and innovate its desktop/laptop OS for users who demand the power, precision, and versatility they get from it. Sure, there will be a lot of users who only need a tablet, and there will be plenty of users who will want a tablet as their secondary computing device. But, declawing the standard version of Windows in order to better compete with the iPad is not the right answer.

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RE: Windows 8 analysis: One thing right and two things wrong
cfostel 8th Jun
All of the comments and Jason's analysis leave out one very important design aspect. The MS video said the design team was considering lots of neat concepts. Nice, if you happen to be a gamer, a tech freak, or early adopter. What the presenter didn't say was that they were considering what their customer's needed. I work for a customer with an installed base of 35 million PCs. If you haven't guess by now, I work for the U.S. Government. Not a single mention of what that CUSTOMER needs. In fact MS is planning, developing and intending to push a huge unwanted and expensive problem on us. I haven't heard much good said about the constant upheaval in from any of my commercial and industrial support contractors either. Vista was a flop because MS ignored our needs. We can't afford to invest in a totally redesigned workplace every three years. Lets get real. A company that ignores its biggest customer(s) has a serious problem in the development labs.
Its simple common sense that microsoft will allow the traditional desktop settings for business as default. Windows 8 is almost an year away from production status and its really funny that so many blogging sites has passed judgements that Win 8 is 'ugly' and 'wrong' or things like that. I am sure those bloggers are getting paid for spreading FUD by competing companies or are fanboys of those companies. These people have done the same for Windows phone.

Look out for todays Apple announcements, everything Jobs going to say will be praised and 'magical'. What Apple is going to announce already exists in Windows Live mesh services/Skydrive/Zune. But the press is going to paint apple's stuff as an 'Industry first'.
@owlnet: 100% agree..

@Jason: Don't unnecessarily try to identify problems in Windows 8.
You can customize it according to your needs ie.
Either make it 100% tablet friendly or 100% Business friendly (mouse/keyboard).
@hims2smart No you can't. Its UI is application dependent, you run a "Windows 7 Application" (Microsoft's words) then you get Aero - which is hopeless if you're using fingers rather than a trackpad/mouse/pen. You run the new applications you get something that looks like Metro UI, which IS optimised for fingers, but doesn't look like something you'd want to run on a traditional desktop.

Now I know you can run these new applications as a kind of "sidebar", but isn't that Microsoft added desktop widgets?!

What we have is something quite confused, if you load up ONLY new applications then it might work on what Microsoft calls a "Slate". If you load up Windows 7 applications then you get something much like Windows 7 that runs quite well with a mouse/trackpad/pen...

So why one product? This split personality seems to suit nobody. I know some people will say "I'll add a keyboard and mouse when I want to run Windows 7 applications - I only need one computer". I don't buy this. If I'm running traditional applications I probably want a machine with quite a bit of "oomph", but for something that's a "slate" I want something light with a good battery life. These don't sound like the same machine. It can't be "ARM powered" if I want to run existing applications at all... This just doesn't make sense when it's all the same Windows.

There seems a huge risk Microsoft will screw up the desktop product and still not crack the "slate" market. It isn't that either UI is horrible - quite the reverse, but they don't belong next to each other on the same product; each should have a product of their own.

I think Microsoft are believing the hype that the iPad is going to take over the whole industry - it isn't true, there are plenty of things that the iPad can't do (or can't do well). Apple know this, they've not decided to kill the Mac, or add a multitouch UI next to the traditional Mac UI. They recognise the limitations (in fact, they see them as a virtue).

My huge worry is Microsoft will rework Office as one of these "new Windows 8 applications", and lose sight of what makes Office useful today. The biggest problem of Office over the last few releases has been the weight of the UI (we had collapsing menus, now the ribbon to address these issue - the ribbon seems to work fairly well, after that initial period of confusion users go through when they make the transition). I can't imagine that Office could have a light UI for multitouch without losing a lot of functionality. But without Office can a "slate" PC claim anything from "legacy applications"?

I think it should worry all of us that Microsoft might "iPad the PC" - this would seem a fundamental mistake.
@jeremychappell

Interesting post. My thoughts when I saw this is that it is firmly consumer-focussed as most consumers now don't buy desktops or tablets, they buy laptops. A touch UI on a desktop machine doesn't work as the screen is too far away to be comfortable, but on a laptop I think it could work. I think MS have taken a look at what applications consumers use on their laptops and have likely found that apart from MS Office, which is coming to ARM, pretty much everything else done on a laptop is either browser-based or can be provided by apps.

What I think will be a lot more telling than Windows 8 in itself will be the form factors that the OEM's come out with. I think tablets with slide-out keyboards or docking stations or hybrid laptop / tablet devices could be successful.
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@hims2smart
The installer that will ship with Win 8 will no doubt detect the hardware being installed and install the interface depending on what it finds. No touch screen, but a mouse/KB? No problem Install those devices and the UI to match. Touch screen but no KB or mouse? No problem. Install the appropriate UI elements and controls.
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Hardware abstraction
Lester Young 7th Jun
@jeremychappell

I think what you (and Jason Hiner) missed is the architectural changes that make this system feasible. These are not simply additions to the codebase, they are moving functions between the various operating system componenents. The touch and desktop systems are platform-agnostic. The hardware abstraction layer is the only part of the system that "sees" the platform. It's interesting that the NT kernel has come full circle since incorporating a HAL in NT3, fusing the HAL functions into a monolithic kernel in NT4 (in response to the puny desktop hardware of the day), moving back toward a modular architecture starting with Vista and bringing it to full fruition in Windows 8.

The desktop mode is not simply triggered by using desktop applications. The demonstrations showed a desktop environment launched from a touch app.

The amount of "oomph" required to run an application is not a function of whether it is a desktop application or a slate application. ARM on battery power might not be well suited to intense graphic work, but it is well suited to lots of other desktop tasks.

Slate apps running as a sidebar to a Windows desktop are capable of much more than the old desktop widgets. The user can be in desktop mode with touch functionality on tap.

I think we'll see that slate functionality and desktop functionality are not mutually exclusive under any situation where the hardware is capable of both.
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@ jeremychappell

I think you've completely missed the point of Windows 8, which is to offer one device with two operating modes: one mode for 'tablet' apps and another for 'desktop' apps. The fact that both can be run at the same time doesn't in any way imply that that's the intended usage scenario, or that it's what Windows 8 users will actually be doing.

As a Windows 7 laptop user who hasn't yet bought a tablet because I don't want to carry and synchronise yet another device, a Windows 8 tablet looks like exactly what I'm waiting for. It has to be as good as a Windows 7 laptop when a keyboard/mouse are attached (possibly in some sort of case/dock, or maybe using Bluetooth), and as good as an iPad when they aren't. If it is, it'll be a 'killer device' that can replace both laptops/netbooks and tablets.

If I do get a Windows 8 tablet, I expect I'll use it in both 'tablet' and 'desktop' modes, but I very much doubt that I'll be trying to control touch apps with a keyboard and mouse, or desktop apps with the touch screen. They're two different classes of apps, designed to be used in different scenarios -- and if Microsoft want to succeed, I think they'll have to market it that way. Having said that, I do think we'll eventually see dual-UI apps that can run with either a touch UI (tablet and maybe even mobile phone) or a desktop UI, depending on the available hardware. The ability to re-use the app core with different user interfaces is another advantage of the single-OS approach.

The one puzzle is the Windows 8 shell (the Start screen, etc.). It's still early days, but it looks like it was designed for touch. Since it's going to be the default, Microsoft had better make sure that it's convenient to use with a keyboard/mouse too. Apart from the shell, it makes sense to clearly segregate apps (or their UIs) into desktop and tablet versions -- and I could even imagine switching shells too, if the touch-friendly one doesn't work well with a keyboard/mouse.
@owlnet

I think Jason missed an important point, which is that Windows 8 is not trying to be the iPad. It's trying to compete against the upcoming Lion OS X. Apple has advertised that they have taken their best ideas and lessons from the iPhone, and iPad and transferred that knowledge and experience from those products to the new version of OS X. Windows 8 will be seen as old and antiquated if it stays with the old way of doing things. It's adapt or die, and clearly Microsoft realizes that Windows 8 had better be able to compete with the forthcoming Lion OS X which has strong similarities to the UI of the iPhone and the iPad. (Not an apple fan boi at all, I'm just saying that this is why Microsoft is going this route with Windows 8).
@josh92 You have far overstated the importance of Windows 8 as a desktop OS for Microsoft's future success...it is not "adapt or die" for MS, they lead the way in the OS market by such a stupidly huge margin and yet fanboys (or apparently not one in your case) are always going on about how MS is so "antiquated".

If anything Apple better hope for one hell of an OS to even keep them around in the desktop/laptop market. Microsoft is probably just trying to do something different in hopes of grabbing the attention of some different customers as well as their current base.

MS will lead the way in the desktop/laptop market for years and years to come no matter how Windows 8 performs on a desktop PC...people will simply stick with Windows 7 if it's really THAT terrible, just like a lot of people did when Vista sucked and people stuck to XP. And wow look, Microsoft is still on top with no signs of dying like you somehow predict.
@owlnet No, if MS indeed was thinking that way, then why didn't the moron even mention that option in the video???
@eye4bear
Actually, I believe I saw another video (of an MS intro to Asian markets) in which one of the first things said was something like "Windows 8 will come with this beautiful new UI enabled by default."

My memory kinda sucks, so I could be wrong, but that was what I took away from the video: that there would be a choice.

Unfortunately, that choice creates a problem: you then have a divided market -- some who use the new UI and some who won't.

I can't imagine anyone without a touch-screen wanting to use the new UI ... except maybe for the Start screen with all the very-handy widgets that keep you updated. But the rest looks ridiculously cumbersome with a mouse/keyboard ... or even with a multi-touch trackpad. So, enterprises with older (non-touch) hardware are likely to provision Win8 installations without the snazzy UI. And that's a HUGE part of the Windows market. So what UI should developers write for?
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hassia Updated - 6th Jun
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> Unfortunately, that choice creates a problem: you then
> have a divided market -- some who use the new UI and
> some who won't.

And you don't get that when making entirely different operating systems like Apple does with OS X and iOS? wink

And you don't get that when going (for example) with the latest Ubuntu, which is also utterly confused now and offers two different GUIs ?

Windows 8 will also be a blessing to nicely designed tablets THAT ALSO HAVE A KEYBOARD. wink Best of both worlds, because I get to spend my money just once to be able to read a newspaper in the train tablet-style, and then go through e-mails with a proper keyboard.

That's not confused, it's not ill-disciplined, it's common sense.
@owlnet

After seeing the above video, I think Microsoft is going in the right direction. I don't see a problem with supporting legacy apps within the new OS and I don't know why anyone calls Microsoft Office a "monster". It's more accurately described as a "killer" since there are several free options out there and they all suck in comparison to Office....as in retro let's go back to 1995 suck.
@owlnet I agree I am waiting for the magical moment. There is no pleasing these people MS could make the greatest tablet, PC, win phone, people will still complain.
@owlnet

"Look for today's Apple announcements..." They just arrived in my inbox. Lo and behold: "WWDC 2011: Apple Mac OS X Lion sports over 250 new features." Were that Windows, the headline would read, "Microsoft adds 250 new pieces of bloat to Windows 8."

This entire article is laughable. Does the author actually believe that Microsoft isn't smart enough to deploy the appropriate user interface based upon the device that the OS is running on (or dynamically switch things around as the device evolves from one form to another, such as docking a tablet)? This isn't exactly a new concept nor is it rocket science at this point... if I go to http://www.zdnet.com on my Android phone I don't get the same user interface as I do when I hit the site using IE on my PC. Likewise, when I was doing web application development on a commercial software package, one of the last things we did was add some code that checks the request for the user agent, and if appropriate, deploys a mobile-optimized skin (read UI) which ran on top of the exact same code base as the traditional application did.

Anyone that has ever developed commercial applications understands that maintaining multiple code bases that do substantially the same thing is inefficient at best. I applaud Microsoft for building a unified operating system that can run *efficiently* across multiple devices, and I believe that is what we are going to see with Windows 8. We should all look forward to the day when we can run the exact same applications regardless of which hardware platform we decide to use.
@owlnet

If all these so called tech bloggers were as smart as you, the articles would be off a much higher level.

Cheers for this one
@owlnet
"Look out for todays Apple announcements, everything Jobs going to say will be praised and 'magical'. What Apple is going to announce already exists in Windows Live mesh services/Skydrive/Zune. But the press is going to paint apple's stuff as an 'Industry first'."

You didnt hear? Apple as rewritten history to show they actually invented everything to do with personal computing.
@Scarface Claw "You didnt hear? Apple as rewritten history to show they actually invented everything to do with personal computing. "

Actually, long ago Apple took ideas from Xerox when it came to UI, so we can't say "everything".

@owlnet
I agree with you and I think Microsoft deserves all the credit for making an effort to involve end users as they develop Win8. I also think they did a really good job with their new interface, and how they still consider backward compatibility with older apps. I'm not one who can afford an upgrade to software every time a later version comes out, so I think it's thoughtful of them to consider someone like me.

1) "Skinning" the UI.

ie:make Max/Min/Close icons variable size, so that fingers can actualy touch them easily when they are jammed into the corner of the screen on touch interfaces. And allow them to be left alone as small sized icons on desktops equipped with a mouse. This should be obvious.
Apply the same customizing principle to file explorer and its expand/contract tree icons, and other UI elements; also Media Player, etc...




Customize OS efficiency.
2a) for low power devices with weeny processors -- footstomp (eg: deprioritized threading -- user or theme customizable) hungry processes that hog the weeny CPU -- such as flash. Ever get 100% CPU pegged on a netbook when the browser is bogged down with lousy & unnecessary flash ads & poorly developed javascript?
Same goes for Windows Update and anti-virus/anti-spyware apps that burn through battery with their endless hard disk churning.
When the user is doing nothing with her tablet, there should be no excuse for the CPU to be pegging at 100% or even 10%, and the hard disk churning through power. eg:"Do more with less hardware resources."

2b) in fact, in no way should the CPU ever be allowed by the OS to peg at 100%. It should always devote a significant share of CPU to allow for user interaction to allow the UI to be responsive. It should be about time that Windows UI freeze should no longer be acceptable (this is another DUH).

2c) Why is a movie running in the background & burning battery life in the demo? -- Such an inefficient use of power should be customizable through power management themes.

etc...
3) Don't obsess over imposing a new UI and think that this will solve all your problems. That's the wrong approach. Ie: Open your mind/focus on one hand clapping. It takes wisdom & tough leadership to design a good thing, while avoiding the noise that might accompany the social/psychological/political dynamics of group think.

etc...
I don't think forcing, is a correct word to use.

This concept is just that, a concept at this stage. They may hange this completely. Though I think that it could be used for both desktop/laptop and tablet. I enjoy the zune interface on my laptop, and they may incoporate that, as in like smaller tiles or something on a desktop interface, larger on tablet.

Long story short, I think your opinion is to forthcoming for when they haven't even completed the OS yet, and so if the do 'force' this to us, it's then up to the designers to make this OS appropriate to use possibly with a different factor as well as keyboard and mouse? Who knows?

Microsoft have always been huge, and just over the last 2 years we see them attacking the competition head on, with the development of Windows 7, Windows Phone and now Windows 8 for tablets. Who knows what they'll do next.
@sh22 Don't kid yourself. MS has invested WAY too much in the new UI at this point to just change it. They're essentially wrapping up development now, not exploring options.

Still, the new Metro UI may be "optional" for Win8 ... it or Aero, pick your preference (or poison, some might say wink.

Personally, all this talk of "well, MS could tweak it so the icons are bigger/smaller/relocated/hidden/etc. depending on whether you're on a tablet or PC" prove the point that tablets and desktops are different and people interact with them differently.

One size rarely fits all.
One reason why I have not purchased any of the available on the market tablets is that they are either only optimised for entertainment or for business. Win8 will allow to have one product that works well for both with two distinctive interfaces. I don't find it confusing that there are two flavours of applications, you can think of the new ones as a replacement for what previously was in your browser and the "traditional" apps continue delivering convenience for business productivity and software development.

My guess that over time the traditional interface software will migrate to the new touch/metro design, but again this dual approach allows for a gentle migration. So far I like what I am seeing and surely there will be other improvements.

My personal view is that the ZDNet coverage of the Microsoft products has been lately lacking professionalism and has not been objective.
@vlgo Ditto. I don't want a gimped computer. I already have a smartphone, why do I need one with a larger screen?
@vlgo Down with the Metro UI! Touch based device suck balls, plain and simple. Until we move to motion based device this is just a cheap half hearted stepping stone.
@Tommy S. But Windows 8 is motion-based. I'm not so sure it's a good thing, but I'm almost sure it's a real thing.
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I like where the UI is going. I'm very excited to see the final product hopefully next year. The interface is refreshing. The only caveat is that I would have wished for a more streamline transition between the new UI elements and the traditional desktop interface. At the moment it looked worlds apart. MS would have to incorporate more of the new UI element into all parts of the OS. The Office team should also adopt some of the UI elements in the interface.

I am an ordinary (Well intermediate - advanced level) user . I don't really see any problems with where this is going, in fact I welcome it. It is still early yet to pronounce doomsday for MS. I am all for change and for me the change that MS is doing is delightful. I gleefully anticipate the release of the first beta and hope everything shall be more polished and UI element more universal throughout.

The shift to a new UI paradigm is a breath of fresh air. I'm liking it.
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XXX41 Updated - 6th Jun
and I'd say from my own experience at my company that it's a pretty good one. We bet on touch interfaces about eight years ago for internal apps - once people adapt, they're not inclined to use the mouse if they can avoid it.

Ergonomically, touch eases wrist and finger wear.
@rbethell

Sorry but that's not Microsoft's bet. If they really wanted to bet on touch as the future they would have went full on touch, without relying on Windows and the mouse pointer. This seems more like a halfhearted attempt instead. I would say they felt forced to have some type of answer for the iPad but without abandoning Windows (bread n butter). That's not betting on touch, you can't have it both ways. That's just doing what they've always done, reacting and playing catchup to competitors.

There's a certain fruit company that already changed the whole dynamic on touch.
@rbethell
I have used a touch screen laptop before, and I couldn't disagree more with what you just wrote. Switching from mouse/keyboard to keyboard/screen is extremely hard on the wrists plus it's a huge PITA to have to switch from a mouse to a touch screen with the way the UI is now. Links are far too small to accurately touch, icons are ok but if your screen has become slick in the slightest you're moving the icons more than clicking on them.

Touch screens quickly become filthy and you're constantly cleaning them to get rid of fingerprints. The surface of them are usually just a roughened sheet of plastic, which over time becomes worn out where the common icons are.

I'll stick with a mouse and keyboard unless the entire web becomes touch enabled.
ZDnet's coverage of this topic, by almost all the "writers", is REALLY bugging me to no end. Microsoft has said over and over that the Aero UI will be available as an alternative to the Touch Screen UI. Even some of you guys have noted that in your articles...so, explain to me please...why do you continue to bash Windows 8 on this point? It's irrelevant and you really make yourselves look like idiots flapping your mouths over and over about it.
@jcpt928
That's an easy one, it's prejudice, fear and double standards. Anything that would be called magical or revolutionary on Apple or Linux is overkill or stupid in Microsoft, but the proof is in the pudding.

I myself will wait for W8 before buying any type of pad or slate.
@jcpt928 Just wait for the Apple announcements today and see the difference in the writing with killer titles and phrases.
@hims2smart Windows is much better than Snow Leopard today, so it's the Apple's turn to play the catch game. Clearly. happy
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One more thing: Kinect
Oslik 6th Jun
Just a side note: The new immersive Windows 8 UI is optimized not only for touch, but for the Kinect-like air gestures too.

That doesn't solve the keyboard+mouse issue, but adds a new flare into the mix. This is NOT the one-purpose UI. It has at least two target platforms. It's ideal for the small screen and for the big screen. Just the classical mid screen seems underpowered.
@Oslik
I'm not going to be sitting in my office working on my computer and gesturing like Merlin the magician to get my work done using a Kinect, at least I hope I don't have to. happy
With the launch of the OS well over a year off its funny to see people start putting nails in the coffin now.

There is a great video out there (I don't have a link) that's a 30+ minute presentation. It shows the OS running on slates, tablets, laptops, a netbook and a desktop. It's responsive and sleek. They show both UIs and how you can switch back and forth very easily. It would be asinine to assume they won't make a way to start off in the standard UI. Businesses will likely want this as an option - I think MS will give it to them.

Home users will likely opt for the tile UI to start their experience. I'd love to start up and see everything at a glance (email, weather, tweets, notifications, etc). Think how much time is wasted opening applications to check these things now?

Bottom line: It's a long way off but it looks great. A lot can (and probably will) change in that time. Once it's in testing and closer to launch then you can start to make your assessments as to what they're doing wrong.

I think they read these blogs just to see what people are saying anyway. wink
@laserfloyd and yes, if MS wants to stay in the game, they'll need to stay neck and neck with the new Mac OS. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. happy
@laserfloyd LOL neck and neck? Just sit back and watch how fast Windows 8 gains more market share than every other Mac OS out there combined. Didn't take Windows 7 long...and now 2 years after it was released it has about 7 times the market share of Mac OS's put together.

The only time they'll be neck and neck is prior to either one of them being released lol from there on it's not even going to be close.
@laserfloyd Sure! And imagine this scenario:

Stand in front of your PC/TV. Say some code word or make a code gesture in the air. Yoir PC recognizes you and awake. And opens a start screen with those nine big live tiles. Move your right hand and the second cluster of nine tiles takes the screen.

This is not a speculation. Just watch the demos again. Everything is Kinect-compatible - they just forgot to mention it.

For example - why the screen shows the traces of the fingers? It's needless for the touch interface, but necessary for the air gestures.
@Oslik Thats what I thought to. Touch screens are DOA.
@laserfloyd

"I'd love to start up and see everything at a glance (email, weather, tweets, notifications, etc)."

Which of those can you not see now either in your notification tray or with a desktop gadget in Windows 7? I don't mean to be snarky, but Start Screen tiles do not represent any new functionality.
@rshol

Nor is it some new Paradigm Shift as some are building it up to be. Any OEM can add a start screen/shell above Windows. HP has been offering this on Their TouchSmart pc for a while now.
@laserfloyd "With the launch of the OS well over a year off its funny to see people start putting nails in the coffin now."

If MS is showing it, they can expect feedback. Simple as that. To be fair, many times a major change takes awhile to become accepted. Showing early is a way to get us to accept it by the time it hits the market. Or, if we truly hate it, time to start banging on them for taking us somewhere we don't want to go. Either way, it's fair to get the nails ready if that's what is needed. happy
The way they displayed Aero it only "popped up" when they started a non-Metro enabled application. They did not do a demo showing that a user could "live" in Aero. They said Metro is the primary interface.

Touch is poor for most types of applications used in business. Accounting systems (many running on AS 400 or *nix) have no need of this. Spreadsheets do not benefit from touch, nor word processing, nor customer relationship management, not inventory system, payroll, time and attendance systems, email, or any other business system. I can't think of a use case (and I bet you can't either) where migrating to touch on the desktop (mobile is another game entirely) benefits business.

Wait, I've got one, Point of Sale, but we frikkin' already have that with existing tools.

MS's mistake was the same one they made previously: believing that one interface type was good for all types of devices.

But now this will backfire on them. They wanted to get out the news that Win 8 was great for portable in order to try and get people to wait for it to buy tablets. What they did was make people wonder about the future of their desktops/laptops, and not in a good way. They need to get out front and show how desktops/laptops are really going to work under Win 8. If they already have, we're talking Bob 2.0.
@rshol
but why? we frikkin' already have that with existing tools.
@Will Pharaoh

Yep, I have about 80 units of IBM Sure POS 500, all with touch screens, running in 11 stores. Middleware links nicely to AS400 financials. Daily store financials plus adhoc reporting in html, works in all browsers.
@rshol -- Agree --- 100%
Jason, you make these statements about things MS got "wrong", but this is because you fail to understand how this actually works. One would think a "Tech-Blogger" would be more informed:

1. MS is not porting the whole of Windows 8 to ARM based devices. In the case of ARM devices, it will only have the tile UI, and hence "legacy" apps that rely on Win32 will not run. This solves the problem nicely because those applications were never written to be used in a touch-centric way to begin with.

2. On the other hand, only on x86/x64 devices (laptops/desktops) would you would be able to run all "legacy" apps, in addition to all the new Tile apps.

3. You second point about loss of mouse/keyboard is also incorrect. The Tile UI is simply a front-end to managing and launching apps. It doesn't in any way control how the apps themselves work once launched. These apps can still take full advantage of mouse/keyboard. Of course such apps that rely on mouse/keyboard would be flagged as such and hence will not be made available as tablet/WP7 apps (they will be filtered out of the Marketplace when accessed from tablet/WP7 devices).

Once again, you need to do better than come up with imaginary things that MS got "wrong". If you really want to talk about things MS got wrong, talk about the confusing message they sent last week to .Net developers with the "You will write these new Windows 8 applications in wonderful HTML5/JS". Most likely that is just a marketing blunder, but it is a significant blunder nonetheless.
All of the comments and Jason's analysis leave out one very important design aspect. The MS video said the design team was considering lots of neat concepts. Nice, if you happen to be a gamer, a tech freak, or early adopter. What the presenter didn't say was that they were considering what their customer's needed. I work for a customer with an installed base of 35 million PCs. If you haven't guess by now, I work for the U.S. Government. Not a single mention of what that CUSTOMER needs. In fact MS is planning, developing and intending to push a huge unwanted and expensive problem on us. I haven't heard much good said about the constant upheaval in from any of my commercial and industrial support contractors either. Vista was a flop because MS ignored our needs. We can't afford to invest in a totally redesigned workplace every three years. Lets get real. A company that ignores its biggest customer(s) has a serious problem in the development labs.

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