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Windows 8: Multiple desktops, smart sticky notes, and more

By | March 2, 2011, 4:02am PST

Summary: New Windows 8 UI concepts have now come to light. Will Microsoft actually implement these or will they fall by the wayside?

As many of you are aware, Windows 8 is a hot topic right now. Rumors abound and walk circles around what little factual data we have about Microsoft’s next OS, but there are perpetual truths to be found in the aspects of how Microsoft develops each new version of Windows. For instance, we know that Microsoft gives the UI a face-lift in each new major release. In knowing that, we can only wait and see what’s to come down the pike… or, we can be proactive and seek out information for ourselves to help us glean what little insight we can!

With that said, it’s no secret that Microsoft goes through some pretty drastic user interface ideas in the early stages of planning. For instance, have a look at the following video to see what Microsoft’s early ideas were for what ultimately ended up becoming Windows Vista:

Bearing that in mind, to say that Microsoft has most certainly been at work on user interface ideas for Windows 8 is to state the obvious. However, recent Google research of mine has revealed specific insights into some of this planning. In particular, Microsoft R&D India was tasked last year with overseeing an “…academic – industry collaborative project…” consisting of the creation of “…new and innovative interfaces and user experiences for the next generation Operating system Windows 8 for information workers.” To further quote the portfolio of Manoj Manduva (one of the individuals directly involved with the project):

Problem: Windows is the most used operating system around the world and majority of them are information workers who have very unique work profiles and need unique interfaces to be designed as part of OS. This project was a combination of both User centered and Activity Centered design approach with focus on design research.

There are three types of Information workers – Structured Task Workers – Business worker and Data Entry worker. We have interviewed all the three type of audience and observed usage patterns and the way they interact with the operating system in everyday environment. After identifying the pain areas and design opportunities, design concepts have been generated.

Some of the concepts are Skew Plane visualization of the desktop which would enhance the space utilization by accommodating more data in the available desktop real estate. The others are in the areas of folder management and touch screen interactions.

Outcome: Design document submitted to Microsoft Corporation.

Accompanied along with his portfolio are images from what appear to be excerpts from the design document submitted to Microsoft. Though not revealing from a UI perspective, it’s worth noting these simply for the chance that we may end up seeing one or more of these changes appear in Windows 8.

Concept: Multiple Desktops / Flip

Windows 8 Multiple Desktops and Flip

As you can see, the document suggests not only the usage of multiple desktops, but a “flip” feature with a fancy animation that changes from advanced to classic UI mode. Though interesting, neither of these suggestions are new. Windows NT had an application that allowed for multiple desktops way back when. Likewise, Microsoft has made it readily apparent time-and-time again that the request for baked-in multiple desktop functionality is amongst the lowest of end-user priorities. And as for the “flip” animation, this shoddy image of an internal 2004 pre-Windows Vista prototype has Manoj and company bested by ~6 years:

Windows Longhorn Flip

On page two, I reveal the rest of what Manoj’s portfolio offers us, continue to opine on what we’re shown, and conclude by leaving the ball in your court.

Page 2: Windows 8 recommendations, continued… »

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RE: Windows 8: Multiple desktops, smart sticky notes, and more
tmsbrdrs 12th May 2011
@bigjim01@...
Please link to where Linux and OSX have been classified as dead or stfu. Thank you.
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Yes to multiple desktop
peter_erskine@... 2nd Mar 2011
A 4-screen pager would be really useful. Can't think why they aren't convinced - there's nothing to lose.
No to sticky notes - there are already LOTS of ways of sensibly managing information.
Yes to a better Search function - Windows 7 is poor in that area.
And yes to a better File Manager. Explorer in XP was actually better than in Windows 7. But a 2-pane file manager could be better still.
@peter_erskine@... Two pane file manager, please! I can't wait for that to become an integral part of the OS. I have been using Total Commander for decades and without it I am almost lost. When I am on a computer with no TC installed, I feel like both my hands are tied and mind drugged. God, just how complicated can they make the simple task of changing a file's extension, for example.
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@Peter.Perhac,
"God, just how complicated can they make the simple task of changing a file's extension, for example."

Uhhmmm...right-click->rename-. Is that complicated? Am I missing something?
@Peter.Perhac
"God, just how complicated can they make the simple task of changing a file's extension, for example."
No kidding! Pressing F2 is nearly impossible!
@Peter.Perhac

The average user probably doesn't know what a file extension is. If you make it easy for them to accidentally change 'file.doc' to 'file2', you've created a bad UI. Advanced users can easily do all of this in PowerShell (or CMD), or can simply enable file extensions in Explorer. That's exactly the right approach.
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I find...
wolf_z 2nd Mar 2011
@peter_erskine@...

...Win 7 search quite useful. What's your complaint with it?
@peter_erskine@...
Microsoft still playing catch-up aren't they...
@vze29knp@... To what and in what way?
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RE: To what and in what way?
fatman65535 2nd Mar 2011
rmark@

Multiple "desktops".

That has been available in Ubuntu since (IIRC) 7.10 (Gutsy).

The default installation provided 4 such desktops for each user, and that number is easy to change. In fact, as I was typing this, I changed my normal 2 desktops to 15.

So much for MS innovation...........
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@fatman65535
Re:multiple desktop ... how many times have you used this? I personally think this is just a 'nice-to-have' but never used it.
@vze29knp@...
Multiple desktops are a very low priority for a reason - Their only really useful to a thin slice of potential users and for everyone else simply represent one more detail to remember. The one exception I can see is if new hardware makes converting devices practical. Then it would be blatantly obvious to have separate desktops with separate UI setups for Laptop Mode, vs Tablet Mode, vs Displaying on a big TV via HDMI mode.
@peter_erskine@... Windows 7 is certainly NOT poor in the search area. There is NO better search functionality built in to an OS that has ever seen the light of day. Windows 7 search is nothing short of awesome.
@condelirios um......
I'm not an apple fan at all, but i used to use a mac... i'm pretty sure Spotlight search is one of the best OS-integrated search features ever.
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"Nobody has a better search functionality"
Michael Alan Goff 3rd Mar 2011
I disagree.

There are several Linux solutions that work as well/better. I'm more of a fan of Unity, but KDE does it really well too. It also seems snappier.
@peter_erskine@...

Multiple desktops have been supported by Windows since nt4. Here's a current utility enabling up to 4:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/cc817881
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Thanks
kidtree 2nd Mar 2011
@John.Murray Thanks for the note & link. I used multiple desktops on Mepis Linux, going back to V. 3, at least. I didn't need the feature all the time, but when you have several groups of tasks or docs going at once, it sure is handy.
I'll try this on my Vista notebook when I get home.
@John.Murray Dexpot is also another good multi desktop app for windows, great customization and navigation.
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@peter_erskine@... 4 screen pager is standard in nearly every gnome, fluxbox, kde, xfce environment.
sticky notes I believe is in KDE...
2 pane file manager... also in linux (emelfm, xfe, and even MC)...... this is very old not innovative..
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Windows 8 needs to be revolutionary
P. Douglas Updated - 3rd Mar 2011
MS needs to demonstrate that it can be the consistent leader in the area of UX innovation. Windows 8 needs to be significantly redesigned for productivity and content consumption based touch interaction. Just about everyone is sick of MS' half measures in Windows 7 for touch. Allow Windows 8 PCs to lead computing in the touch based interaction age, with great UI / UX innovation; but at the same, allow it to still support legacy GUI (and even CLI) apps - with improvements in the GUI UI. MS can do this using multiple UIs on Windows, as well as virtualization. If MS doesn't do this, it will almost certainly be toast.
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Touch blah blah blah
wolf_z 2nd Mar 2011
@P. Douglas

Touch is useful *for tablets* and phones. It's not at all useful on a desktop or even a laptop. Unless you make a multi-touch glide pad, now that might be handy--but even then touch won't be the primary interface.

It's hard to beat a mouse for precision and fingers (lets face it) are fat compared to a mouse pointer.

Touch is no more the killer interface than voice control was.
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Have you heard of Microsoft Surface?
P. Douglas Updated - 2nd Mar 2011
@wolf_z,

Do a search on "Microsoft Surface" on YouTube. You'll see a range of innovative applications that are done on large touch screen devices. Touch applications on large screens are significantly more immersive and intuitive compared to GUI applications - you see a similar thing on the iPad vs. the Mac. Also precision in touch apps can be accomplished by various means, including using a virtual trackpad, or a magnifying tool.

Here's a video of a virtual mixer on a large touch screen. This video gives you an idea of just how immersive and intuitive applications on large touch screens can be.
@P. Douglas, are you suggesting that the surface is a viable idea? because it clearly is not.
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So they ripped off Linux
itguy08 2nd Mar 2011
And OS X.

Go Microsoft, go Innovate. Oh yea that's right you have never innovated.
@itguy08 The only thing Microsoft can do correct is rip-off. Ooops did I say correct, stupid me, they tried to ripoff Compiz and KDE 4 in Vista and Windows 7 and ended up with that misunderstoodment Aero. Now it is time for the next ripoff - multiple desktops, wondering how much more it will suck compared to Linux and OS X.
@me4oslav: Ooops did I say correct, stupid me, they tried to ripoff Compiz and KDE 4 in Vista and Windows 7 and ended up with that misunderstoodment Aero.

They "failed" because only Linux users believe they attempted to copy it. Everyone else realizes they did their own thing.
@ye I admit I might be too much Linux fanboy, but Windows 7 looks like a 1/4 finished crappy ripoff of Plasma and Compiz IMHO. There is absolutely nothing in Aero I can't do in Compiz, hell Compiz >>>>>>> Aero. Bottom line I will never use Windows, I want to have control over my OS and want to be able to customize it to look like how I want. hate being stuck with one default setup ;( sad Now I should probably stop write my here, because I have strong feeling I am gonna get giant amount of angry responses.
@me4oslav: Bottom line I will never use Windows, I want to have control over my OS and want to be able to customize it to look like how I want. hate being stuck with one default setup

That's a much different statement than "...they tried to ripoff Compiz and KDE 4 in Vista and Windows 7 and ended up with that misunderstoodment Aero"
@me4oslav Thanks god they miscopied Compiz and KDE then, because their "misunderstoodment" Aero looks much more elegant and refined than the originals to me.
@me4oslav Windows NT had multiple desktops... the article stated that... so I doubt they stole it from Linux or OSX since both were built after that...
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Who did you rip off your lame post from?
Will Farrell 3rd Mar 2011
@me4oslav

That was so much FUD, I think you stole that off of Donnieboy or itguy08
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Thanks for not letting me down.
ye Updated - 2nd Mar 2011
@itguy08: So they ripped off Linux

When I read the headline I immediately expected to see a post such as this. And only the fourth post too! Thanks for the sanity check that my opinion of the ABMers is accurate.
@ye

Actually I see this as an improvement. You usually see this within the first two posts.

My answer to the original post is this: Innovation on an operating system is overrated. The most important thing is usefulness of the overall system, not who gets credit for the original idea of each component. People do not decide for or against an operating system based on originality, they base it on how well it works for them.
@ye

'Free software' zealots don't understand the difference between commercial products and research projects. Microsoft do all sorts of internal research, much of which is later revealed and turns out to have been industry leading. We see some of the basic/academic research, e.g. various Microsoft Research projects, but most of their industrial research undoubtedly remains behind closed doors. We hear rumours from time to time (in some cases spurring open source projects to start working on the same ideas), but don't know the details until they make public announcements or introduce products (including preview releases, e.g. of IE9).

What we do know is that firms like Microsoft and Apple start working on ideas that ultimately show up in their products years before anything is released. In contrast, with open source projects, any new idea immediately becomes visible. It can still take years to reach a usable stage, much less a '1.0' release, but open source zealots invariably compare the first appearance of a prototype in an open source project with a public announcement, or even the '1.0' release, of a product by a commercial firm. They're clearly different things, but the zealots aren't rational.
@ye
Does the truth hurt? Microsoft cannot innovate; it does not know how to. From the DOS 0.1 days MS has not innovated.

It's a sad fact really. Win 7 looks good but the blatant rip offs of other OS's make it look like a "Suny" or "Panasunic" TV rather than a good OS.

And MS has to hire some graphic designers. There is plenty of usability nightmare in Vista and 7 that needs to be fixed.
@WilErz
You have no idea for how long multiple desktops has been available (and yes, very useful) in Linux, do you? If you answer this question I will give you a free pass.
@ kirovs@...

Multiple desktops have been around much longer than Linux. Perhaps you're confusing Linux with X? In any case, if you imagine that I was somehow implying Microsoft invented the concept, you're very much mistaken.
@ye
While I don't think this would be a Linux ripoff, I do think it would be a case of a very bad impression.
Linux can use multiple desktops due to its smaller footprint, better overall hardware management and an understanding of why those desktops are useful, leading to a proper implementation of them.
In order to have good multiple desktops, Windows would need to have a much smaller footprint, much better hardware management (i.e. being able to leave over half the RAM available when not running any apps and without having 8GB or higher), and the developers would need to have an understanding of why multiple desktops are useful, not just in certain, rare conditions.
@anothersmartguy
Your opinion is that Aero is more elegant than Plasma or Compiz, my opinion is that either of these kick Aero's ass. Besides, Compiz can allow me to turn my desktop into a perfect clone of Windows 7. My question, why would I want to use so little of my potential graphics?
@itguy08

Since when does Linux innovate? Microsoft has done more innovating than you care to realize.
@Cylon Centurion 0005
Do tell, please.
@Cylon Centurion 0005

Like what ? They bought DOS and passed it on as their own, Licensed the Windows GUI from Apple, Licensed Internet Explorer from Spyglass.

They even had to buy "Windows Defender" from Giant.

Any Microsoft innovations could be written on the back of a stamp.
@itguy08,

Good god...you're like a freaking parrot. Give it a rest.
@bmonsterman


NEVER!
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RE: Windows 8: Multiple desktops, smart sticky notes, and more
ItsTheBottomLine Updated - 2nd Mar 2011
@itguy08 Thank you. I was afraid my bet would fail and you would have your yappy (visualize small yappy poodle) silly sad-sack comment. But hey I made money on it...well see if I the "others" chime in. It's soooo easy.
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@itguy08

Is innovative. happy
@John Zern
lol
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@itguy08
so whats wrong with MS taking a couple of things back?
@Will Farrell
Give a list?
Yeah I dont see myself using the stickys or anything else mentioned. Hopefully the OS will bring a lot more innovation than those mentioned...

Onuora
Yawwwnn.. They really are struggling to find reasons to rip Windows uses off.
But they will.
@Chipesh

Then don't buy it. No one is forcing you to upgrade.
@bigjim01@...
Please link to where Linux and OSX have been classified as dead or stfu. Thank you.

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