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Windows 8's five biggest enemies

By | February 15, 2012, 12:52pm PST

Summary: There are lots of reasons why I think Windows 8 will having trouble finding acceptance. A major one is that Windows 8 will face more competition than ever before. Here are Windows 8’s biggest rivals.

Windows 8 biggest rivals are already hitting it.

Windows 8 biggest rivals are already hitting it.

We’re finding out more and more about Windows 8 as its beta release approaches. And, you know what? The more I find out, the more I feel secure about saying Windows 8 will be a flop.

I’ve already explained in general terms I think Windows 8 will follow in Vista’s footprints as a strategic failure. Here’s specifically, from least important to most important, are the operating systems and platforms that will ensure Windows 8 be a non-starter.

5. The Linux & Mac Desktops

What? You thought I was going to say that the Linux and/or Mac desktops were going to rise up from their combined less than 10% of the desktop marketplace and smite Windows 8? Please. Contrary to Windows fanatics’ view of me, I’m not a Linux fanboy. I just like what works.

Specifically, I think the Linux desktop is the best for power users and I think the Mac desktop is best for people who just want an easy to use desktop. Thanks though to Microsoft’s illegal desktop monopoly in the 90s, its rivals never had a chance to flourish and to this day they’ve never been able to catch up. Windows 8 won’t increase Windows’ PC market-share, but it will only cause a slight decrease on the desktop, not a catastrophic decline. Unfortunately for Microsoft, Windows 8 has far more bigger rivals to worry about.

4. Google Chrome Operating System and the cloud

What’s far more dangerous to Microsoft’s desktop monopoly is Google’s Linux-based Chrome operating system. It’s not that Chrome and Chromebooks have taken off. They haven’t. Google has had only had minimal success selling Chromebooks.

So why do I think Chrome OS is going to be a bigger threat to Windows 8 than traditional desktops rivals? Because Chrome OS PCs are cheaper than Windows for businesses; Google’s applications offer most of the same functionality of Windows applications for less; and it’s more secure than Windows.

It’s not just Chrome OS though that’s the threat to Windows. It’s the whole concept of being able to use a Web browser and the cloud for everything you need to do and that you want to do. When you can do whatever you want with the Chrome Web browser, on any operating system now, or Chrome OS, which is just the Chrome Web browser running on a minimal Linux core, do you really need to pay for a Windows PC? For many companies, the answer is becoming “no.”

3. The iPad and Android tablets

What Microsoft really wants to do with Windows 8 isn’t to get you to switch from Windows 7 or XP. No, it’s to get use to use Windows 8 and Metro on your tablets and smartphones. Good luck with that Microsoft. People are buying iPads like crazy; people are already drooling over the forthcoming iPad 3; and after several false starts Android tablets are finally getting off the ground. Microsoft isn’t even in the race yet and they’re falling farther behind by the day.

Worse still, according to NPD In-Stat’s latest tablet report, The Business of Tablets: Tablet Usage in US Business, tablet use has begun its crossover from the consumer world into the workplace. The most common business uses of tablets are email/calendar management, note taking, and presentations, with 77% reporting email as a common workplace use.

Do you really think that Microsoft including limited versions of Office applications on Windows 8 “Lite” ARM powered tablets will really make a difference? I don’t.

Let’s even say you can’t imagine not using Microsoft Office applications. So what? You do know that you can run the full Office suite today on your iPad with OnLive Desktop today right? And, there’s already at least half-a-dozen other office applications for the iPad and, of course, there’s always Google Docs for Android or iPads.

So, here we have Microsoft arriving late to the tablet battle with an interface, Metro, that in its Windows Phone 7x line, has captured a mere 1.5% of the smartphone marketplace. So tell me exactly how Microsoft, which is not a distant third, but a distant sixth–behind not just Android and iOS, but Symbian, RIM and Bada as well–in smartphones can possibly catch up.

2. Windows XP

So much for Microsoft on the tablet and smartphone, but what about the PC? Well, what about it? You do know that XP has just just been overtaken by Windows 7 right? Earlier today I was on a video-conference call with a Fortune 50 technology company. The senior VP on the call did his presentation on, wait for it, an XP system.

Many users and companies think “If it’s not broke, why fix it?” They’re right, of course. For hundreds of millions of users XP will works.

1. Windows 7

But the number one reason with a bullet why Windows 8 is going to start up like a car hubcap deep in red-clay mud without any gas is that business customers still haven’t even completed their Windows 7 roll-outs. Do you really think businesses are going to do another major migration in 2013? 2014? Heck, 2015!? I don’t think so!

Besides do businesses really want to waste time and money moving to the Windows 8 Metro applications? Training their staff on the entirely different Metro interface? There’s no way businesses will be moving to Windows 8 anytime soon.

So, at the end of the day, besides all the other reasons I see for Windows 8’s forthcoming failure, I see Windows 8’s biggest rivals being the rise of Web-browser/cloud-based computers; it’s failure to keep up with Apple and Google on smartphones and tablets, but most of all, its own installed base is simply not ready to switch to Windows 8.

If Windows 8 brought something truly new and wonderful to its users, then maybe it could overcome all this. It doesn’t. To me, the real question isn’t whether Windows 8 will fail. It will. It’s whether by 2016 the changing IT would will have room left for Windows 9 to matter at all.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system. Elsewhere on ZDNet, SJVN covers Networking and Open Source.

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His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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kmo911 16 hrs ago
who want to be on windows 95. windows 8 are more bigger nicer more stable. for companies who dont want to upgrade keep to vitrual pc 2007. hope to get better hardware support on v pc 20??. it a big lol rinning on a s3 virge. that car is dead. but i am still using pci card. more stable less heat and oc no support for pixel shaders and so on. what if windows 8 only could hold max 1 mb gpu ram. i would not be good. so i go 4+4=8. i could be on dos and even get writings and printings. but the formating off word woudl just be in old style.even windows 9? se me server 200 nt 4.0 can handle text movies if you put up for it.windows 8 will come out and we use it. stop tha creepy downgrading of someting yeah only tried a beta off. wait for rtm version s. CRAP!!!!
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
daikon Updated - 15th Feb
Getting the popcorn.
It will all come down to Windows apps. If I can use Windows Vista/7 and the apps I use, I have no need for Windows 8.
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
Rabid Howler Monkey 15th Feb
@daikon Nah! This one calls for pizza and beer.
Yeah. All we need is running that pipe-dream 1000 times in our mind and it'd then become reality finally.
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
Pete "athynz" Athens 15th Feb
@Rabid Howler Monkey Agreed!
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@LBiege

To cut costs, many school districts in the US have already made the switch to Google apps. As SJVN pointed out, it's cheaper per seat. With public funds as tight as they are, more and more public companies will be using Google apps and ditching MS apps.
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@Rabid Howler Monkey

That will have to wait until tomorrow (Friday) afternoon. With the boss leaving early to take a long weekend, we will have a leisurely (pizza and beer friendly) Friday afternoon.
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
The Linux Geek 15th Feb
@daikon
M$ demise will bring much joy to the world and will end the global recession if apple goes belly up too by letting the software flourish.
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Pete "athynz" Athens 15th Feb
@The Linux Geek Yeah and if Apple AND Microsoft go belly up it will end world hunger, racial hatreds, and everything will be free! /sarcasm.
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They need to add a sixth
ScorpioBlue 15th Feb
ScorpioBlue

lol...
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
ItsTheBottomLine 16th Feb
@The Linux Geek - wow must be slow a McDonalds. Back to the fry station with you Mr. Smoke Break is over.
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
thoiness Updated - 16th Feb
@The Linux Geek And of course, destroying American companies would bring prosperity to all Americans...

And maybe if a company that gave stuff away for free destroyed all the paid ones, the economy would get better...

And maybe if monkeys flew out my butt and unicorns became real and started stabbing CEOs with their horns...

And maybe...

Oh, wait... WT_H are you on??
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@The Linux Geek: You do know many government officers run Windows software? You really don't want Microsoft's demise.
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George Johnson 18th Feb
@The Linux Geek funny to imagine, but wont happen in reality
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@daikon
#3, #2 and #1 does seem to make some sense. #4 is off the mark totally. #5 is interesting. I work in a place where the Windows:Mac ratio is 9:1, but I see more and more people clamoring for Macs as they seem to be more stable and cute. Users do seem to be fed up with the continuous series of updates and restarts that keep happening on Windows. We recently did a costing analysis and we were shocked to find out that maintenance costs for Windows (such as rolling out updates and updating anti virus, disk crashes, backup ad cleanups, reinitialization) outweighed the initial cost of a Mac. When this became clear, our organization became more open to Macs. The hardware also seems to last longer with fewer support calls. From colleagues in the industry, I believe this is a growing trend. However, I am not sure the numbers are large enough to dent Windows.
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We don't mind supporting Macs
LiquidLearner 15th Feb
@iRMX

But as for reduced costs? Since we almost always end up having to provide Windows 7 and Office 2010 in a VM anyway I'm not sure it's a saving. As for drive crashes I think that's a silly point to make. If you use a Windows laptop, a good one, you're not going to have any more physical drive failures than Macs. It's the same type of hardware. Switching to SSD on both platforms is the best way to elimate failure. We've gone to HP 8540w Elitebooks for our engineers. It has 2 drive bays and one we put an SSD, for OS, etc. The other is for data. A lot of them run VMWare and logging software that can eat disk space.

We do offer Macbook Airs to our salespeople because they're light. But I see more tickets open for those then for our Windows machines. We even have some users that run Ubuntu or Mint as their primary OS. They all share one thing in common though. They either access Windows via VDI or local VM.

The users where I'm at are nowhere near typical, except maybe the sales staff. We do enterprise compute consulting, storage and virtualization, things of that nature. So we tend to be platform agnostic anyway.
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@iRMX Honestly, even if you do run Windows 7 in a VM, it still costs less over time, as if there is ever a problem, you simply restore a snapshot and you are back in business within the matter of minutes.

I keep trying to convince my boss of this, as I know how many problems switching to Macs would fix for us. I also believe that you should use the native Microsoft Office on a Mac, it works very well and now comes with Outlook, so should be just fine.
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@iRMX: I generally agree but would add:

1. People generally have more disposable income and like the prestige of Macs. That in itself isn't a technical advantage.
2. Macs need just as much updates. Apple are always pushing out updates to "Apple Update".
3. Faulty hard disks affect any platform, as does the need to backup.

I'd guess your Windows hardware is much older than your Mac hardware. Right? Or am I off the mark?

Two troubles with Windows are:

1. Many people still think XP (not 7) when thinking Windows which to be fair is over a decade old.
2. Windows 7 is as reliable and secure as Snow Leopard and Lion but it's often lumbered with inadequate hardware. That's the OEM no Microsoft's fault. Stick Mac OS X on rubbish hardware and it'll struggle too. Of course this'll never happen because Apple wouldn't let it.

There's a reason why Apple don't use celeron processors for example and only use high end hardware.
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@iRMX Aside from the sexy hardware I don't see any enterprise functionality in the Mac platform. What about Active Directory , centralized management, protection of data?
The same goes for the iPad without management and data encryption its an accident waiting to happen.
Wha happens when an iPad is lost/stolen and sensitive data goes missing?
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kris_stapley@... 17th Feb
@iRMX
I've had the opposite experience. The cost of ownership of Macs is always much higher as they cost more, are much more expensive to repair and the hardware is no where near as good as people like to tout. Certainly no better than a good business laptop/desktop.
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@iRMX

Would be even better if thry offered the third choice of Linux...find that it is even easier to use and more stable than Windows or Mac, cost isn't exactly a stumbling point either....
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
thoiness Updated - 16th Feb
@daikon Didn't SJVN already write this blog called "5 reasons Windows 8 will be DOA?"

Here, I can counter his multiple blogs with one argument repeated 5X.

Reason Windows 8 will gain mass acceptance:
1. OEMs
2. OEMs
3. OEMs
4. OEMs
5. OEMs

Oh, and for those of you thinking MAC will win, here you go:
6. MACs are too/more expensive.

Did I forget Linux? Sorry...
7. Linux? Where have I heard that story before? Oh yeah, 1985...

Damn, I forgot "Chrome"

8. Really? Do I really need to go there? It is great on my phone, though... Wait, that's Android. Isn't Chrome a browser? Oh, you want an OS based on my browser? Pass..

That's it. Game over. No reason to write 5 more blogs with 5 more reasons listing why Windows 8 won't be accepted. Most people don't update @ $99-$199 when a new computer costs $200-$500. Therefore, how does acceptance work? OEMs. As long as MS doesn't allow downgrade paths, I predict 100% acceptance on new PCs (neat how I can magically figure this out, eh?), but maybe not such a wide adoption on tablets. After all, tablets are really still toys. I own one, but I find my W7 Netbook far more useful for *real* work.

Sorry Microsoft, but I can't give you the pass on an Angry Birds machine (yet?). I'm afraid you've been licked in that arena. But if you create a tablet off of a scaled down X360 (you should be able to, as we're talking about 7 yr old technology) with a W8 core, people will be peeing themselves to get a hold of one.

If PS4 and X720 do full time HD and AA filtering, etc, along with an optional keyboard/mouse, you may lose the "real" PC gaming industry as well. But then again, it's yours to take if the X720 is done right.
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@thoiness I don't think you get it......
OEMs will have little success in getting people to adopt Windows 8, because of the new UI, it is really quite clunky for a desktop and sort of works for touch screen based systems.

As for Macs being more expensive, if you compare similar hardware and factor in the software that comes on a Mac for free, you will find that the Macs are about the same cost. With the recent announcement of Mountain Lion and the new security features, we can once again eliminate the need for AntiVirus software, although there are good free choices for that now as well, even on the Mac. Now, if we factor in time spent just maintaining the two systems, the Mac will clearly become the cheaper machine over time. Factor in that Macs tend to be kept in service longer than PCs and it starts to become a no brainer. Now, add in the fact that a lot of people have iPhones and iPads, that adds brand recognition and with Mountain Lion integrating iOS features, there will be familiarity with how things function, even more so than now. So, yes, I do see Macs playing a role in the demise of Windows, but they will not be the sole source. I do agree with this article that overall, when combined all of these things will result in the demise of Windows. (Yes, I think Windows it's self probably has 5-7 years left in it before it becomes the minority).
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@thoiness if you haven't already seen... all that SJVN is out for is to try his best to kill windows... hes probably a linux or mac lover... as for this entire thread: Why do we have to speculate about these things for months on end? would it not just be easier to leave it and continue with our lives... we can find out the end result next year... saves pointless bickering (such as "mac is better", "no, linux is"...etc)
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bradavon Updated - 16th Feb
@daikon: Why even bother with Windows Vista or Windows 7 then?
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It's one thing to say Windows 8 will struggle but fail?

How about going the whole hog and say it'll bankrupt Microsoft because that's just as much hyperbole as this JUNK article is.

"Thanks though to Microsoft???s illegal desktop monopoly in the 90s, its rivals never had a chance to flourish and to this day they???ve never been able to catch up."

What a load of bollocks. Microsoft didn't get away with it and neither are Apple.

The cost of Apple hardware ensures they'll never be mass market and Linux as a "mass market" product please?

Agreed Mac OS X is a much bigger competitor today than it's ever been.

Your point about Chrome OS is frankly bizarre. No business is going to favour Chrome OS over Windows 8, it runs their apps. How on earth do you come to the conclusion that a web browser can offer most of what a desktop can? There are thousands of business specific x86 apps, business really rely on. Not one works on Chrome OS. Plenty of apps are now web based but plenty still aren't.

Your point about Windows 7 is an obvious one, the same faced Windows Vista (assuming it had worked properly) and Windows 7. Microsoft are well aware of this.

It won't stop Windows 8 being a success just not number 1. I seriously doubt Microsoft is expecting it to be. The same applies to Office, the biggest threat to Office is Office. Plenty are still using Office 2003, despite 2010 being much better and really does "just work" (XP really doesn't).

"If Windows 8 brought something truly new and wonderful to its users, then maybe it could overcome all this."

No it wouldn't. You've already mentioned businesses are still rolling out Windows 7.
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YetAnotherBob 18th Feb
@bradavon

Sorry, but the illegal behavior that got Microsoft in trouble 15 years ago, 10 years ago and 5 years ago is still going on. They just pay the fines and keep on doing things that are illegal. Europe and the US are going to soon have another Antitrust trial. this will keep up until Microsoft's overall market share drops to below 60%, say another 10 years.

Oh, and Linux use IS growing in the enterprise, and even among home users. I recently had a father ask me about Linux. His son had installed it on an old family computer. The kid was barely in High School, and not a real rocket scientist. It was quite good. The family was considering using it as a server for a family network. The father just wanted to make sure it was legal. He also wanted to find out how to control it. I recommended a good book.

The growth is slow, but it is going on. That's why Windows is down to around 85% on the Desktop right now. (according to Microsoft reports to the SEC).

A lot more than that is Microsoft when shipped, of course, but a lot of Windows boxes get stripped and re-installed. You and your sources never see that, but Microsoft does. It's all in the phone home reports they get from your installed computer systems.

I remember 10 years ago when folks like you were saying that IE (4 at that time) would soon have 100% of the market. It's now at what? 45%? Chrome is rising fast, and Firefox, while growing more slowly is still growing in total market share. (each at around 25%). Look well at that, my friend. That is Microsoft's future.

They will still be the biggest in 5 years, but not by much.

Linux will then be third on Desktops and first or second on smaller form factor devices. Linux is already King on the larger servers, and is giving Microsoft a serious run for their money on the smaller servers. Come to think of it, Linux is already third on Desktops. See, it's already happening!

It will be an interesting ride.

SJVN's argument is that people won't want to move from the existing systems they have. OEM's will be hurting, as sales will be down. Look for Windows 7 to continue. People and Companies will want something that looks and acts like what they are used to. That's what Steven is telling you.

Or, Microsoft might just have a simple software switch on the system, and they will come looking just like Windows 7 on PCs and laptops. That option is the best for Microsoft. But, it won't be a huge rush like the iPhone X always gets, as the Mac fans descend to trade in their last years model for the next great fashion. Either way, Microsoft's biggest problem is still Microsoft.

It's been that way for well over a Decade now.
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kris_stapley@... 17th Feb
@daikon
But, in the future, when you purchase a PC, you will get Windows 8 regardless of whether you want/need it.
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ScorpioBlack 17th Feb
And that's the problem, krissie
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YetAnotherBob 18th Feb
@kris_stapley@...

That's only a problem for about a half hour after I get the box home.
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George Johnson 18th Feb
@daikon Can anything beat Andriod or Apple apps?

IdontthinksoTim
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YetAnotherBob 18th Feb
@George Johnson

The successor to the Apple or Android Apps is already out and starting. It's called HTML5. I don't think it will worry Google, as they are pushing it. So is Microsoft. That's what Metro is for. Google uses Node.js and has all of the common elements in it. Microsoft is hoping for a proprietary flavor, but is already supporting Node.js and some other things.

Apple is still holding out, but that can't last. Windows 8 will reportedly run a lot of Android apps already. That's one thing that Microsoft is banking on for the tablet and phone market.

Sorry, it will be other things that make the difference.
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Loverock Davidson- 15th Feb
Another Microsoft Windows 8 hate article brought to you by SJVN. It makes sense since its success could severely jeopardize your job as a blogger. The only real point you have is #5.
5. Mac desktop is en enemy because its in direct competition with Microsoft Windows. The linux desktop is dead as you stated previously and AKH stated in a recent article so that is not even a consideration in this.
4. Google Chrome, the OS that was DOA. Not a factor at all. How many chromebooks sold? Even Google doesn't like to talk about it.
3. Tablets are sold in addition to, not as a replacement for Microsoft Windows 8 PCs. But with Windows 8 being on both the PC and tablets, that means people can have one unified experience on Windows without the need for the others.
2. People will upgrade from XP to Windows 8 to have the latest and greatest. I know I'll be pushing for it.
1. Same as 2, people will be upgrading for the latest and greatest.

The most hilarious part of all this is that SJVN now has to post his anti-Windows rants under the "Between the lines" blog so he doesn't get called out on his linux blog. LOL!!!
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Samic Updated - 15th Feb
@Loverock Davidson-
'The most hilarious part of all this is that SJVN now has to post his anti-Windows rants under the "Between the lines" blog so he doesn't get called out on his linux blog. LOL!!! '

I notice that too since I didn't see SJVN photo among Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca, and Rachel King.

How could he even spam his own colleagues blog into his personal soapbox? Why ZDNet doesn't have any kind of permission control of their own employees/contributors?

Now talks about sabotaging ZDNet/CNET's brand...
@Loverock Davidson-
the funniest being that Windows 7 won't sell becuase everybody loves Windows XP, so "windows 7 will be DOA"
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@Loverock Davidson- On top of that, I actually think that Microsoft is fine with Windows 8 not being as hugely successful as Windows 7.

It allows them to be bolder in their move, plan for the next 10 years knowing that existing customers are happy with Windows 7 today.
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@KPixel

Considering that just under 50% of Windows users are still on Windows XP, whose support will retire completely by April 2014, I think Windows 8 will be just as successful if not moreso than Windows 7.

Users who are on Windows 7 are definitely not in any need to rush to upgrade to Windows 8.
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Major, Minor cycle
LiquidLearner 15th Feb
@KPixel

Windows 2000 - Major. Not a huge uptake.
Windows XP - Minor. Huge uptake
Windows Vista - Major. Not a huge uptake.
Windows 7 - Minor. Huge uptake
Windows 8 - Major. Not a huge uptake.

He's right, businesses won't roll out 8 because a lot of them are still doing 7 rollouts. They typically skip an OS cycle anyway. So what's the big deal? Consumers will get Windows 8. Windows 9 will come out in 2015 with tweaks and updates to Windows 8 and it will be huge. It's the ebb and flow. Since, unlike other vendors, MS maintains support for both the current and previous OS I don't really see what the big deal is.

People seem to think we should stick with the same interface forever. Experimentation is good. Will we rush to roll out Windows 8? Of course not. Will we have some users with it? Of course we will. I think WoA tablets will see more enterprise penetration then Windows 8 desktops. Windows 9 will be when we see the Metro UI (with cheap, built in Kinect/Surface tech) take off in the enterprise.
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RE: So what's the big deal? Consumers will get Windows 8.
Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 15th Feb
@LiquidLearner I believe that you are thinking linearly. Big changes are coming to personal computing. Mobile devices, including tablets and smartphones, are taking off like rockets. Web apps are gaining in importance. There is a retro thing involving thin clients (think ChromeBooks) that may strike a chord with certain classes of users. There are personal computing choices like we have never seen before. Complexity is losing out to simplicity.

I'm not so sure that one can use past uptake patterns of Microsoft Windows for predictive purposes much longer. In fact, when Windows Vista Home, Home Premium and Ultimate are EOL'd in April (this year), we may actually get a glimpse of the future.
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terry flores 16th Feb
@smulji - There is a lot of undercounting of Windows XP. Hundreds of thousands of PCs don't get counted because they have limited or no access to the outside internet. Seventy percent of our desktops still run WinXP and they do their job, day in and day out.
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thoiness Updated - 16th Feb
@LiquidLearner +1 There's about a 5-7 year cycle for businesses, so this release isn't on par with most large businesses. Business purchase is latent adoption anyhow (2-4 years). It certainly doesn't determine the success of an OS.

Which brings to light a silly point the blog is trying to make: "More businesses are finding out they don't need desktops."

Like what? Car dealerships while taking test drives? Most F500s are still not adopting Angry Bird machines for serious business.
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@Loverock Davidson-

We just rolled from XP to Win 7 about 6 months ago, I don't see an upgrade to Win 8 in my work machines. Home is another matter, I will be an early adopter on Win 8 just so that I know what to expect down the road.

Am I the only one that on the rare occasion that I use XP, I feel like it is not user friendly, it seems way more clunky than Win 7 and I feel far less productive on XP than I do on Win 7. Other things like DFS works so much better on Vista and Win 7. I really would like to see XP die the death it deserves at this point. It is a clunky old user interface with pretty bad security unless really locked down.
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thoiness Updated - 16th Feb
@hopp64 +1... I know a few older folks that find Win 7 disturbingly different, but I hate reverting back to XP, and I believe that's how the majority feels. It feels like playing on an NT box post-XP.
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@hopp64 ... Windows 7 SP1 out-performs Windows XP SP3 on the same hardware - both at 512MB of RAM and at 1GB+ of RAM! Windows 7 is also much more stable and much more secure.
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@mwagner@... SP1 made a difference on lower hardware? 1GB ram was pushing it pre-SP1 for me...
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@hopp64 there are a few applications that my dad still uses and some scanners that only work with XP, so it took a while for me to convince him to upgrade, and I had to use the Windows XP Mode for several of his applications. He finally is using some more recent applications and is using the XP mode less and less. I'll be happy when I don't have to mess with XP again.
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Missed the 6th.
Samic 15th Feb
6) SJVN, or just about any biased blogger

SJVN, your blindly Microsoft bashing is doing all ZDNet's readers a disservice. Your opinion is so one-sided it's getting very hard to take you seriously. We aren't even sure whether you're trying to present a vaild point or just the vent your anger anymore.

You should just focus on one the area you do best, which is FOSS/linux and move on. We already got MJF and Ed Bott cover Windows. It's better for both of us.
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@Samic, I agree.
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RE: Windows 8's five biggest enemies
ScorpioBlack 17th Feb
@Samic

Yeah well we need a good whipping boy and unlike Google or Apple, I actually lost money on MS.
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Chrome OS?
Michael Alan Goff 15th Feb
Are you serious?
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@Michael Alan Goff One can dream, right? happy
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who want to be on....
kmo911 16 hrs ago
who want to be on windows 95. windows 8 are more bigger nicer more stable. for companies who dont want to upgrade keep to vitrual pc 2007. hope to get better hardware support on v pc 20??. it a big lol rinning on a s3 virge. that car is dead. but i am still using pci card. more stable less heat and oc no support for pixel shaders and so on. what if windows 8 only could hold max 1 mb gpu ram. i would not be good. so i go 4+4=8. i could be on dos and even get writings and printings. but the formating off word woudl just be in old style.even windows 9? se me server 200 nt 4.0 can handle text movies if you put up for it.windows 8 will come out and we use it. stop tha creepy downgrading of someting yeah only tried a beta off. wait for rtm version s. CRAP!!!!

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