Jury strikes a blow against software patents
Summary: Ding, dong, the patent witch is dead! Well, maybe not dead, but at least melting a bit.
Earlier today, a California jury cleared Google of all claims of patent infringement brought by Oracle. The trial, which had been in its 23rd day, concluded with a unanimous decision that Android did not infringe on six claims in U.S. Patent RE38,104 as well as two claims in U.S. Patent number 6,061,520. In the space of two weeks, Oracle's visions (some would say hallucinations) of up to $6 billion in damages have gone up in smoke.
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Linux creator Linus Torvalds called the suit "idiotic" but predicted Oracle would "come out posturing and talk about how they’ll be vindicated, and pay lawyers to take it to the next level of idiocy.” The good news, though, is that this ruling has removed one of the darkest clouds hanging over Google and Android. Oracle can appeal, but their prospects don't look good.
After the trial, Joe Mullin at Ars Technica did an interesting interview with the jury foreman (Greg Thompson) that indicates Oracle "wasn't even close" to proving their case against Google in the patent phase of the trial, or even in the earlier copyright phase:
After the copyright verdict, there had been some speculation around the Web that because the jury found that Google infringed copyright—but split on fair use—it was basically a pro-Oracle jury with one or two holdouts sticking up for Google. Talking to Thompson, it quickly became clear that wasn't the case at all. A majority of jurors favored Google's argument from the start, and the holdouts—primarily Thompson himself—were a beleaguered few favoring Oracle. At one point during the copyright phase, in fact, Thompson said he was the lone holdout. At the end, he swung a couple more jurors to his side, but they were still a distinct minority.
There is still an unsettled copyright question, but even in the unfortunate event that the judge ruled against Google on that part, we're only talking about 9 lines of code out of millions. Lines which were immediately removed from the Android source when somebody pointed them out.
I find it refreshing that in this trial, both the Judge and jury proved to be much smarter than the lawyers. Thompson and others on the jury asked pretty good questions, especially considering most had no technical background at all. The judge (the Hon. William Alsup) revealed he was something of a developer himself and scoffed at some of Oracle's arguments about the mysterious invention known as the "range check". If you ask me, all software patent trials should be held in California from now on instead of East Texas.
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oracle must go home
The rammifications for Microsoft are more dire...
Did anyone notice that there will be an Android graphics tablet from NVidia with 4 processors that can run engineering applications like 3D modeling? Hot diggedy dog, you thought PC sales were soft now, just wait!
Okay...
And sure, the next Tegra will be able to handle some 3D modeling. But I can't even begin to imagine running 3D Studio or CAD on a tablet... I think you've completely lost your mind.
I wonder
Android isnt blocking Windows on mobile platforms. Windows is on all mobile
MS is done!
There are several things you fail to mention during your MS speech.
1.they make almost a $1B a year from IP licenses to android oems.
A)They are attack/bullying OEM instead of going after Google themself; But like the sneaky coward they are, they are allowing others (MOSIAD-Orcale-Apple) to go to court against Google to prevent from getting slaughter in Court.
2.And as for android/ios being firmly in control of the next gen operating system thats just laughable.
A) Please use your Bing Browser to find out who has the market share; in 5-10 years MS will be irrevelating just Like Yahoo and AOL.
3.Way less than one hundredth of one percent of android os buyers bought the device they did because it had android on it. They only have android because it happened to be on there and they dont even know what an os is. .
A) ATT offer Nokia w/Windows OS, ask them which OS they sell the most of; So yes, people know exactly what they are buying when they pick out a phone.
Wrong topic?
The only way out for HP...
Juy strikes blow against.... What?
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all trials in East Texas
Last time I checked
Oh, and by the way, no body asked you.
Dhendrickson, if you had done your homework,
Henri
All this really does is re-affirm how badly the system is broken
Patents are another matter. Patents protect the methodology used to accomplish a task. Unfortunately, the boundaries have become skewed and often patents are used to protect IDEAS not methodologies.
Patent law should not be able to protect the IDEA of a mousetrap (preventing someone from making a BETTER one) but it should be able to protect someone who catches the mouse using a particular methodology.
Frankly, the idea of selecting a jury with no experience in the field in question strikes me as denying the plaintiff AND the defendant of a hearing before a jury of their peers.
At the very least, the jurors' personal background should not come into play, as long as they are perceived to be impartial. Ignorant jurors often lead to ignorant verdicts.
Some confusion about what a patent is and
The article mis-states that it strikes a blow against software patents. Software patents are part of settled case law in the US and are enforcable under law.
Please read these Wikipedia articles to inform yourself about patents, copyrights and software patents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patent
Nope
no...
Software patents usually/often patent the idea of doing something, not a particular method of doing it - and this is wrong. Though IMHO software patents not clearly tied to apparatus should not be allowed at all anyway.
Stroke me as odd too...
I personally think that jurors' background *should* come into play - in complete opposite way, I mean the jurors absolutely *should* have understanding of matter they are to judge people/companies about - anything else is just opposite of real justice!
A blow against Oracle, not patents
Software patents are absurd.
Here's an analogy for you. You're a chef working on a new dish. You come up with a brilliant combination of (say) apricots and pickles that wows your patrons. Do you patent it? In my opinion, that would be far worthier of a patent than the idea that you could put meta data in a document. It happens because techie types can make people think something is complicated when really, to the right audience, it's obvious (and hence by the constitution shouldn't be patentable).