Cell phone as desktop computer

Summary: This is a bit of a crazy idea, but it constitutes part of the reason I keep harping on about the importance of full-blown desktop operating systems in cell phones. Yes, it creates developer consistency, meaning that the same skills used to develop apps for desktop computers map directly to cell phones applications.

This is a bit of a crazy idea, but it constitutes part of the reason I keep harping on about the importance of full-blown desktop operating systems in cell phones. Yes, it creates developer consistency, meaning that the same skills used to develop apps for desktop computers map directly to cell phones applications. And yes, it means that developments in the desktop OS can be rolled out much faster to the cell phone, as the two environments are, for the most part, one and the same (not exactly, as you have different form factors / UI conventions, but you catch my drift). Both of these things accelerate the important role cell phones are going to play in our daily lives as these devices get more and more powerful.

Think about that growing power. Today, iPhone storage maxes out at 16 GB. Imagine in 10 years, when it could max out at 1.6 terabytes...or more. At those levels, people will start to carry around whole video libraries, every document they have ever created, and, of course, ALL of their music.

Obviously, the application story will have evolved in that time. Applications usable while riding on a bus will still need to accomodate the small screen of a mobile device. With that kind of power, however, a mobile phone in theory could act like an ultra-mobile computer.

This a variation on a theme I discussed back in 2005, where I wondered whether you could store an entire operating system freeze-dried on some kind of USB dongle-sized device that could be plugged-in to a "docking station" to provide important things like a keyboard, mouse and computer screen. Well, a cell phone isn't much bigger than my hypothetical USB dongle (and standalone usable, to boot), and I see no reason why it couldn't be "docked" just like that hypothetical USB device could be docked.

People could buy such "docking stations" for their homes (quite cheaply, I might add), but more to the point, they would be a rather cheap way for coffee bars, restaurants, and other public locations to offer the kind of "sticky" features that incentivizes customers to return. Most long-haul airlines now have screens through which they offer video services embedded into the back of seats. Imagine if the food tray had a touch-sensitive keyboard embedded into it, and the armrests had a place to plug in your phone?

Clearly, the UI when docked would be different, but that's why it is so important that both iPhone and Google's Android initiative are based on full desktop operating systems. Some applications would be suited for the small screen, and others would only be usable when docked (though I bet most would offer functionality in both modes). It does, however, seem quite a feasible extension of trends in the smartphone industry.

Smartphones, in other words, wouldn't just be phones anymore. They would become ultra-mobile computers, and that is very interesting.

If Microsoft could do something like this, they would clearly have an advantage, given their desktop market share.

[Additional Note] Just caught this bit at the end of a post by Mary Jo Foley:

From recent executive remarks, it sounds like Microsoft is trying to get Windows and Windows Mobile to be more in sync. Might this mean with Windows Mobile 8 — which Microsoft has told certain folks will be built from scratch — Microsoft might make Windows Mobile a “real” version of Windows, with the same core as Windows client?

Let's hope so.  I think if they don't, Microsoft will have missed a rather large opportunity.

Topics: Mobility, Hardware, Telcos

John Carroll

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  • Good stuff

    That is a really good idea and if Microsoft doesn't implement it, someone will like me
    hrpuffnstuff
    • Things are moving this way.

      - The truly hopeful thing is Android, or some other OSS alternative, will be the de-facto platform rather than some proprietary load of bull. I don't care if it's Lord Jobs or Lord Gates ... proprietary still sucks the wax tadpole.
      knowbody
      • Ummm

        ...isn't Mac OS X proprietary? Granted, it is based on Free BSD, but that's like saying Spanish is Latin-based. Given the controls Apple has over what gets installed on an iPhone, I would say it is about as far from non-proprietary as it is possible to get.

        Aren't you really saying that it should be ANYBODY but Microsoft?
        John Carroll
        • If you read carefully, he is including OSX as one of the bad guys.

          He is only saying the market will hopefully not be controlled by proprietary vendors, as is currently the case with the desktop market.

          I guess I would not go that far, and only say that I hope that the application apis, protocols, and file formats are open, so all applications run on all devices.
          DonnieBoy
          • Which is a good way to make sure

            no applications exist.

            You see, in the real world, people do things to make a profit.
            frgough
          • In the real world...

            frgough says:

            "You see, in the real world, people do things to make a profit."

            It's a major reason why people do things, but hardly the only one, unless you're construing "profit" very broadly. Back when I was using OS/2, I noticed that there were very few commercial developers for it, but all kinds of free stuff was available, mostly produced by OS/2 users looking to fill a need (primarily their own).
            John L. Ries
  • S. Jobs said something similar not too long ago

    In a WSJ interview he said that he
    thought we'd see most big
    advances come from "devices"
    rather than normal computers.

    The conversation then moved to
    how they fit OSX on iPhone.

    If I see a bottleneck to the
    scenario, it would be screen and
    keyboard size. Providing docking
    stations all over the place would
    be quite expensive, especially
    when compared to a user owned
    notebook simply connecting to a
    network.

    Relying on just the iPhone type
    device without the docking
    station, would not satisfy the
    majority of users who use the
    computer for work output.
    j.m.galvin
    • I get the impression...

      ...that Jobs well understands the importance of cell phones in the future. He has a good long term vision of where the industry should be headed, and is showing the way with the iPhone. Jobs is good that way.

      [i]If I see a bottleneck to the
      scenario, it would be screen and
      keyboard size. Providing docking
      stations all over the place would
      be quite expensive, especially
      when compared to a user owned
      notebook simply connecting to a
      network.[/i]

      How expensive would it really be? I'm not talking high-res screens, just basic screens. It would certainly cost less than a full desktop computer. You are right: giving a laptop WiFi access is cheaper than providing a docking station, at least from an up-front standpoint (though the consumer is paying less). On the other hand, a mobile user carries their internet access around with them.

      To my mind, it just moves the costs around a bit, and with economics of scale, things could get much cheaper still.

      [i]Relying on just the iPhone type
      device without the docking
      station, would not satisfy the
      majority of users who use the
      computer for work output.[/i]

      I agree, which is why the docking station is absolutely critical. It makes the phone a true desktop replacement...

      ...though not completely. Desktop computers can still be more powerful. Where I see desktops moving to is a form of home server. It will still be used for heavy-lifting things like games, but it may not be the primary interface device for a lot of people. Given the fact that cell phones go with you everywhere, I can see a lot of general computing tasks being moved to a cell phone (properly docked, that is).
      John Carroll
      • Providing "docking stations" all over could be dirt cheap. How much does it

        cost to add USB wireless to an HDTV or any other screen. No need for physical docking stations. You could also connect to a screen and keyboard via WiFi. And cell phones of the future could support HD resolutions no problem, and even have more powerful GPUs than todays desktops.
        DonnieBoy
      • There's a big maintenance cost

        Publicly available docking
        stations with screens would
        require cleaning. Just look at the
        amount of grunge you
        accumulate on your own
        keyboard and mouse from skin
        oils. Then think what a PITA it is
        cleaning the keys on your
        keyboard and multiply that by
        several times a day - depending
        on the amount of use and the
        number of stations.

        The above scenario also
        introduces liability to the docking
        station provider - being sued
        because someone got sick from a
        keyboard carrying germs. That
        might no seem like much, but it's
        another added cost.

        The screens would also require
        cleaning.

        The provider has to be able
        justify a good bit of added
        benefit to his business before
        investing in the rollout, the maintenance and the liability.
        j.m.galvin
        • There is minimal maintenance. Hotels already supply the TV, soon to be all

          HDTV. They do not have any troubles keeping screens clean. Keyboards are dirt cheap, and can be replaced if they break. We just need a standard way to use Wireless USB to drive the video.

          Cyber cafes have been using public keyboards and mice for a long time with no health issues.
          DonnieBoy
  • RE: Cell phone as desktop computer

    This is what I really want to see. I have dreamed for years of programs added to a laptop to allow it to be used as a phone and alsso be able to run Windows Mobile for PDA functions. The closest to this type of use so far <in my opinion> is the HTC Advantage as it is a phone and Windows Mobile with enough memory to be usable. It is out of my range price wise, so I can't do more tha ndrool over it so far. I would REAALLYY like to see the OS and phone OS be the same (Windows/Linux/???) to allow the carrying of just one device instead of 3 or more (laptop, phone, PDA)!!
    cpt7750@...
  • Very insightful article John. Your posts are noticeably better after

    leaving MS. Maybe you did feel a little constrained on what you could say as an MS employee even if there was no official censoring.

    But, you post is directly related to another:

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9168

    Maybe rather than carrying screens with us, we will just carry the computer, and there will be a lot of screens in offices, hotels (HDTV screen doubles as computer screen), homes, etc. Just pick one and connect your phone that is more powerful and has more storage than todays computers.

    And, MS WILL want to get into this market, but they need to give up on limiting the functionality of CE, and let people embed a full blown desktop OS for the price of what OEMs now pay for CE. It will also be a long time before you can embed Vista, talking technical reasons only, but the pricing issue will be a big problem for MS as well.
    DonnieBoy
  • RE: Cell phone as desktop computer

    You wouldn't need public access docking stations. The cellphone of the near future will have the ability to project a screen of a particular size against a wall. This is in the works right now. As for the keyboard/mouse, I recommend that engineers develop bluetooth enabled wristbands that have been calibrated to your hands as though you were typing on a keyboard. The wristbands would have sensors that measure the impulses from the hand to the arm, and send a corresponding signal. In short, put the bands on, have them calibrated to a keyboard (you would type on a keyboard "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog..."), and you could type on any flat surface.
    lwimble@...
  • No interest in 3' screen of a cellphone

    Sitting in front of a 24' screen, I don't think I'm alone on this.
    LBiege
  • John, do you remember....?

    About 5 or 7 ? years ago IBM had a reference deign/prototype of a computer; CPU, hardrive, touch screen, etc that was about the size of a PDA.

    It was modular also attached to a shell of a laptop or a docking station for workstation/desktop environment..

    I don't remember what it was called or how to look it up......?

    Anyway not a big deal to add a phone, etc to that and away you go....
    LazLong
    • A little more looking >...the MetaPad in '02

      http://www.research.ibm.com/WearableComputing/MetaPad/metapad.html
      LazLong
      • Yep, these are the phases of diffusion of innovation. It can take years.

        You first have to develop the concept, then get people talking about it. Then get some early people to develop prototypes. Eventually, you have to have early products actually available (iPhone), that have at least some of the features and the promise of more to come. People have to hear people that the trust (ZDNet bloggers) taking about it many times. Finally full featured systems are available on the market and early adopters (gadget geeks) buy them. This drives another round of blogging and enthusiasm, and sooner or later we get the vertical point of the adoption curve. For this dream to work.

        We still have all of the political / technical / social issues to overcome for this particular concept. Eventually we WILL have a lot of devices on the market where you attach wirelessly to a display such as an lcd projector, probably with Wireless USB. It will be so dirt cheap that just about everybody will add that feature to their displays eventually.
        DonnieBoy
  • RE: Cell phone as desktop computer

    Yawn. Old news. REALLY old news.

    George Gilder made a similar observation when he was a keynote speaker at an conference held by PMC Sierra Semiconductor in Vancouver, British Columbia in summer of 2000. Notion was the cell phone is the computer, holding "everything of import", interconnected to a screen/keyboard/mouse via Bluetooth and to the network via WiFi. Plus you can do limited functions via the on-phone keyboard and screen (limited by screen size, etc).

    Not quite there yet, but you can see there from here.

    Stan Hanks
    stan@...
    • Thanks...

      ...for missing my point, which was: desktop operating systems in cell phones are important.

      I was trying to explain WHY I thought they were so important, and why I think it is critical that Microsoft get on that page soon.
      John Carroll