Microsoft's success in China
Summary: Microsoft appears to be making inroads in the Chinese market. According to a blog post over at Tech Republic, Microsoft, through aggressive price reductions and a willingness to grant more access to source code, has managed to convince the Chinese government to use Windows and Office.
Microsoft appears to be making inroads in the Chinese market. According to a blog post over at Tech Republic, Microsoft, through aggressive price reductions and a willingness to grant more access to source code, has managed to convince the Chinese government to use Windows and Office. Similarly, Microsoft has opted not to go on a piracy offensive in China, though it does try to minimize demand for pirated wares by offering a $3.00 Windows / Office bundle to students.
Of course, in talkbacks to the post over at OSNews, there were plenty of sour grapes. Some think it's unfair that Microsoft charges Chinese consumers less than they charge richer markets. The complaints exaggerate the situation somewhat. Most consumers in developed markets don't pay sticker prices for Windows and Office, opting to acquire Microsoft software included as part of a new computer purchase.
Granted, such OEM pricing still costs more, but then again, all products are priced at different levels depending on the target market.
I noted in a previous post the practice of SKU proliferation, wherein Microsoft offers a number of product packages priced at different levels. That's normal business activity in most markets, whether the product is cars, printer paper or cheese. You find ways to maximize revenue by figuring out the optimal price, in terms of potential revenue, to charge an individual consumer. In so doing, you maximize the share of revenue which falls under the demand curve by charging the most a given consumer is willing to pay (or at least the closest approximation possible of that maximum). It's the way software companies make money, and Apple, Adobe and Oracle are as "guilty" as anyone else of similar practices.
Charging a price based on local market conditions in a given country is an outgrowth of the same economic principal that drives SKU proliferation. Most Chinese consumers can't afford developed-market prices for proprietary software, because it consists of a much higher percentage of an average user's income. If a company like Microsoft wants to yield any revenue from that market, they need to lower prices. As local incomes increase, Microsoft can and will raise prices, but that, too, is normal business activity. Lots of things are cheaper in Mexico or the Phillipines than in the United States, because companies want to make money in those markets, and pricing at developed market levels simply makes no sense.
Alternatives to multi-level pricing do exist. A flat international price might make rich world consumers happy, but would seem an expensive luxury that would throttle growth of the company that practiced it. Likewise, consumers can opt for free (as in cost) software, a category which would have included Red Flag Linux. The Chinese government, and most chinese consumers, have opted not to do that. Microsoft has made a credible response to the challenge of free (as in cost) competition in the largest market in the world, and that is the real reason people are so incensed by Microsoft's success in China.
It certainly has little to do with perception that Microsoft "validates" the Chinese government by opting to respond to its demands. The blog reports an instance where David Fitzpatrick stumped Mr. Gates by asking how Microsoft could reconcile China's suppression of speech and human rights with Microsoft's business relations with the government.
The answer is simple (IMO), even if it didn't fly to the tip of Mr. Gates tongue. As I've argued before, there are two approaches to dealing with a problem government. You can isolate them, which is essentially what the United States has done with Iran and Castro's Cuba. Alternatively, you can engage them, allowing trade to flow as normal and counting on citizens to make their own changes when they are ready to make them, as we did with Taiwan and South Korea.
Clearly, the latter option has proven more useful. You don't have to like a regime with which you are dealing. You just choose not to penalize its citizens, allowing them the economic growth they deserve and counting on a familiarity with freedom in their economic lives to drive demand for freedom in political expression. It happened in Taiwan and South Korea (both of which were ruled by military regimes until the mid-80s), and can happen in China.
You don't validate a government by opting not to starve a country's citizens of trade with the outside world. You just treat a country's citizens as masters of their own destiny. They will change their government when they are ready to change it.
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Talkback
The $3 software
Was the program expanded to purchasers other than governments? I had thought Starter editions were intended for the poorer markets.
I wondered the same thing
Taiwan and South Korea?
When the government of Taiwan passed from emigres to the majority, the main problems for a market economy were over.
How would you see either country as in any way comparable to a repressive autocracy which considers markets as expressions of ideology, and which control commercial activity to assure continuance in power?
Belief in the idea that markets can effect change in power in China has been fading lately. Mostly, as I understand it, because the markets have proven to be patronage machines which can buy or buy off just about any force in the country.
When the government renames "conferences" of the party to "conventions" of the leadership, you'll know that the party has completed its transformation into market controllers.
Chinese ideology
How is that much different than South Korea? South Korean Chaebol would government-funded entities that benefited from tight relations with government, if not government members sitting on their boards. The markets were very tightly controlled, and that control only loosened in response to global competitive pressure. Results matter, it would appear, results they would not have seen if we had been unwilling to trade with them on human rights grounds.
[i]Belief in the idea that markets can effect change in power in China has been fading lately. Mostly, as I understand it, because the markets have proven to be patronage machines which can buy or buy off just about any force in the country.[/i]
Like I said, the South Korean government was as guilty of such abuses.
Granted, China is nominally communist, but that's like accusing Warren Buffet of being a Castro-style revolutionary because he shows up at a halloween party dressed like Che Guevera (not that that would ever happening, but just saying...). The Chinese government is hardly communist from an ideological standpoint anymore. They just can't say that, given that the entire basis of their power is the tortured nonsense of "proletarian self-rule and unity" (and hence no need for multiple parties) that nobody believes anymore. Better to distract attention from that curtained side-room by achieving strong economic results...which is little different than the motivations that drove both South Korean and Taiwanese governments.
Conventional wisdom on China.
"But the West ultimately implemented social reforms after upheavals that led voters to elect new governments. And South Korea and Taiwan tamed crony capitalism following traumatic democratic transitions. The Chinese Communist Party, in contrast, appears to be nowhere near tolerating political change. In fact, it's clamping down on dissent."
Whether the effort has been entirely successful or not (the Economist appears tio have a different view), the important point to me is that the economy was changed after the government.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_30/b4043001.htm?chan=rss_topEmailedStories_ssi_5
And I'll assert the the basis for the party's power is that many Chinese fear disorder most. The party is the only source of order there is, and even when ideology disappears and when rising expectations create dissatisfaction, the maintenance of stability remains paramount.
For what that's worth.
They key is keep Linux at bay at all costs
John, your argument
[B]Charging a price based on local market conditions in a given country is an outgrowth of the same economic principal that drives SKU proliferation.[/B]
is incorrect on it's face when you consider that we are talking AT LEAST 98.5% off (assuming the best price for a complete Windows Vista fully functional office bundle would be $200 here). Putting that aside, if price is based on ability to pay, why is Windows 2X the US price in Europe. I am pretty certain they Europeans don't make twice the typical US salary.
TripleII
Ummm, monopoly?
May explain why MS is able to charge hundreds of dollars for it's OS here in the US and the EU. I'm always amused how you go to the "economies of scale" argument for everything except software where in fact MS's Windows is the ultimate beneficiary of this when they're not even having to produce CD's for all of those OEM sales.
Shrugging shoulders
Economics of scale applies in things that have cost, like computers. Software PRODUCTION isn't a market that benefits as much from economics of scale, as people cost what they cost, and once the software is done, every incremental sale adds to potential profit. Software IS different...and I've explained that endlessly over the years.
Bigger markets provided by a product with wide distribution might create a market, but that's not strictly a scale-based cost saving so much as an opportunity.
Okay...
That is a scale-related cost. But software in general usually has large markets (thanks to Microsoft), and profit levels are high across the board, whether you are adobe, Oracle, or Microsoft.
Doesn't follow
Obviously designing the latest generation of CPU's is a terribly expensive undertaking. The cost of building a new fabrication plant is staggering and yet the costs of CPU's had a sudden a precipitous drop in prices (along with a rather quick ramp up in capability to boot). Now the fact that this occurred with AMD offering a credible alternative to Intel's then market dominant CPU was probably just complete coincidence.
It's still dumping
Wait, you have OTHER markets carrying to burden to allow for the incredible price drop in a market that you are desperate to maintain, at all costs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_%28pricing_policy%29
[B]defined as the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its costs of production.[/B]
MS knows it is dumping, we know MS is dumping, probably the DOJ (toothless as it now is) knows they are dumping, the Chinese know they are dumping (and happy about it), even you know that $3 for Vista and Office, come on John, it won't kill you to admit that this is about as blatant a case of dumping there is.
If all other markets EXCEPT China disappeared, how long until MS went bankrupt charing $3 for Vista and Office. Not long, and there's your definition of dumping. Remove markets paying more, the dumped into market could not sustain the company.
TripleII
How is it "dumping"
Chinese customers are customers that might not pay for Vista AT ALL if they had to pay western prices. What they've done is make it so that they can earn something from these growing markets, which is wise, even if it annoys you as it whittles down Linux' cost advantage in such markets.
John, LOL...
[B]as the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market[/B]
It is DRAMTICALLY (almost 99%) cheaper than in MS's home country.
[B]or is below its costs of production.[/B]
3$ is BELOW the cost of production. MS could not sustain itself if the price was $3 across the board. I don't care what the distribution costs were, it took $5B to create. You can't recoup that at $3 they are charging.
[B]Chinese customers are customers that might not pay for Vista AT ALL if they had to pay western prices.[/B]
That has nothing to do with whether MS is dumping Vista. That may be the REASON they are dumping (I disagree, i believe it is to keep Linux at bay) but again just because someone will pirate if you don't DUMP your product in their market doesn't mean you aren't dumping it.
It doesn't really annoy me whether they are dumping to make a dribble of $ out of the market or hinder Linux. Linux will grow and expand no matter what MS does (like it is while everyone in China has access to free Windows anyway).
If I were a Windows customer, I WOULD be displeased at spending 100 times MORE than another country for the same software.
It would be no different if (in a different world), Dell enjoyed 100-400% margins on PC sales and in EVERY country that started selling (cloning) computers sold the same PCs there for pennies on the $. The Home market is subsidizing the LOSS in other markets.
I know you can't actually concede that you know MS is dumping, you have openly admitted your ties to MS, you can't, and I am not going to ask you to. Anyone else reading this thread can make up their own minds.
Is anyone reading this glad they paid $399 for Vista to subsidize the Chinese market?
TripleII
P.S. Since pirated is freely available anyway, $3 makes no difference to the marketplace, however, Linux is growing, so that's why I say $3 is irrelevant.
P.P.S. Despite disgreeing multiple times, I do enjoy your blogs, no disrespect intended in my posts.
Where you are wrong
It is most certainly not below the cost of producing 1 unit.
[i]It would be no different if (in a different world), Dell enjoyed 100-400% margins on PC sales and in EVERY country that started selling (cloning) computers sold the same PCs there for pennies on the $. The Home market is subsidizing the LOSS in other markets.[/i]
If it was being sold for less than the cost of the individual computer then yes. Otherwise, no. If Dell was incurring [b]more[/b] loss with every computer sold, it would be dumping. At $3/copy, every copy sold is [b]reducing[/b] MS's loss.
[i]MS could not sustain itself if the price was $3 across the board.[/i]
What does that have to do with anything? As you admit here: [i]everyone in China has access to free Windows anyway[/i]
people in China weren't buying Windows at $399/copy. Total revenue for MS at $399/copy = $0. If even [b]one[/b] Chinese person buys Vista at $3, Microsoft's profits in the China market improve. This is simply charging what the market will bear.
Also, you suggest that if we removed the entire Chinese market, MS couldn't make a profit charging $3/copy since MS's fixed costs are so high. Well, if we removed the entire European market, Canadian market, the US East coast market, and the US West coast market, MS probably couldn't make a profit charging $399/copy. So is MS dumping Vista on all those aforementioned markets because the central US market can't overcome MS's fixed costs at $399/copy? Of course not. All that matters is the production cost. If you were to include fixed cost then the definition of dumping would be any company charging any less than it costs to create the very first unit. If you use that definition, there are a [b]lot[/b] of companies that are dumping!!
[i]Is anyone reading this glad they paid $399 for Vista to subsidize the Chinese market?[/i]
Red herring. You are presuming that at $399/copy, we aren't subsidizing the Chinese market. That's wrong. If no one in China buys it at $399 because everyone is pirating it, we [b]are[/b] subsidizing the Chinese market. If MS can make a few million $ by charging $3/copy, it will mean we are subsidizing the Chinese market [b]less[/b] than if it was $399/copy. So if you want to make an emotionally based argument, first convince us that we are subsidizing the Chinese market [b]more[/b] at $3/copy than we were at $399/copy.
Also, does it annoy those who have contributed Linux code that they have subsidized my use of Linux with their time? Sorry Triplell but I'm guessing that many people have put in [b]much[/b] more than $399 worth of time into what eventually ended up as a free Linux distro on my computer. I guess they are much bigger fools than any Vista customer?
It is not dumping at all
DG
I noticed Microsoft's success in China, too
TAKEAWAY: Microsoft had to get rid of its
American/European business model in order to
find success in China. The tech giant
started offering rock-bottom prices for its
applications, abandoned its staunch stance
on intellectual property rights, and started
partnering with the government instead of
fighting it. But the turning point that
boosted Microsoft's image in China was when
Microsoft opened a research center in
Beijing, which lured back computer
scientists.
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=17456
The culmination of Gates plans in 1998:
About 3 million computers get sold every
year in China, but people don't pay for the
software. Someday they will, though. As long
as they are going to steal it, we want them
to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted,
and then we'll somehow figure out how to
collect sometime in the next decade.
Speech at the University of Washington, as
reported in "Gates, Buffett a bit bearish"
CNET News (2 July 1998)