Pirates and other nonsense
Summary: Digging through the "blog ideas" pile on my desktop, I found this article from earlier this week discussing Sweden's "Pirate Party." A US branch does exist, and so I decided to take at tour of its issues page to see what pirates truly stand for.
Digging through the "blog ideas" pile on my desktop, I found this article from earlier this week discussing Sweden's "Pirate Party." A US branch does exist, and so I decided to take at tour of its issues page to see what pirates truly stand for.
As shouldn't surprise anyone, not very much, as is the norm with any party organized around so narrow a set of interests. This isn't a party that aims to govern so much as make noise about one issue, which is, namely, that copyright laws are too severe, and that they must be loosened close to the point of non-existence in order to foster a global culture.
This is a summary from their site regarding their stance on copyright:
The basis of copyright law in the United States descends from Article One, Section Eight of our Constitution. Section Eight allows for exclusive rights to creative works in order to promote "progress of science and the useful arts." The need for exclusive rights at the time was real; the costs of publishing a book or distributing a scientific journal were not insignificant, and a monetary incentive, to encourage publishers to print and distribute those works, was necessary. However, the Framers of the Constitution believed, as we do, that Free and Open distribution is the ideal; copyright law is an unfortunate compromise that was at one time necessary to provide an avenue to recoup costs. As such, the Framers instituted copyrights for "limited times" only; once an opportunity to recoup costs had passed, open distribution could once again be in an open manner.
The Pirate Party defines copyright as only being suitable to recoup costs. After that, companies and individuals should not be able to control the distribution of their intellectual work.
First, I think they misunderstand the intent of the founding fathers. Promoting "the progress of science and the useful arts" says nothing about the degree of incentive, which IS a problem. That has provided room for copyright-holding companies to push the copyright period to a whopping 70 years (90+ years with additional filings), which I have always considered to be a bit extreme. However, just as it provides no time limit, neither does it confine the incentive to cost reimbursement.
The issues page notes in a subsection that the first copyright law in the United States (which had to be defined as the Constitution punted the issue even as it established a legal foundation for them) provided protections of 14 years, with the option to extend protections for another 14. Even that yields profits far in excess of costs, however -- even in the late 18th century -- which shows costs are not the limiting factor.
Second, that "unfortunate compromise" is no more unfortunate than the legal fantasy that is physical ownership of property. This always drives me nuts in any discussions about the issue. Opponents like to pretend that intellectual property is less a fabrication of government than physical property rights. It isn't. I have no more natural right to a piece of land to which THE STATE has granted me title than a baby born early this morning in Cedars-Sinai hospital down the street. The state defines such rights in order to incentivize efficient allocation and use of resources.
Physical property and intellectual property, in other words, are both legal fantasies, and though it can be argued that physical property laws often serve more basic needs (you don't often NEED a CD, whereas you do need food), prices are left to the market to decide, which means those who really want access to physical property can get it for the right price. Creativity and enterpreneurship, in other words, is an important goal in physical property rights.
The question that should be asked is whether creativity is sufficiently encouraged by the laws as currently structured, and that's where the Pirate Party's "analysis" falls down. If costs are the primary consideration, then creation of an album using modern digital techniques would yield very little revenue, as costs are very low and shrinking by the day. Would that be enough to incentivize creation of content that enhances global culture?
For some, it might. Van Gogh painted in spite of the fact that his paintings couldn't be given away while he was alive, and artists often create for the love of the art, a fact emphasized by Richard Stallman to assuage those frightened by the prospects of less compensation in a pure free software universe (a stance I always thought to be somewhat perverse, as those losing jobs are probably not concerned by a collapse in creativity). However, I think most would agree that there would be a LOT less creativity, as many are more inclined to do the creative work if there is some profit in it.
In other words, a cost-based standard doesn't meet the demands of the US Constitution, as it doesn't do a very good job of encouraging the "progress of science and the useful arts." I think a strong argument can be made that current laws are so long and profit-generating that they serve to hinder progress, given the evolutionary nature of global culture as it builds on what went before. The Pirate Party, however, is not making that argument, which makes sense. As their name would imply, the Pirate Party really exists to provide moral cover for file traders who don't want to stop violating copyright.
Humans can justify pretty much anything.
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Government is a fabrication of property owners...
Pre-feudal giovernments may have declared that all land was the property of the government in order to increase the power of the King or Pharaoh or whatever other title was taken by the most important property owner.
But in practice ownership of the land became inheritable, and held by people with sufficient accumulation to have authority rivaling that of the King.
One attempt to escape this gradual assumption of land from the King was to give its administration to religious groups. This assisted neither efficiency nor maintenance of the King's power. Ancient Egypt was more than once ruled by a Priest-King, sometimes with a Pharaoh rival.
Money - which ancient Egypt did not have - added a new type of property. As the Federal Reserve will confirm, money is intellectual property.
So money and other intellectual property became another reason for governments to continue in existence.
But governments always threaten to become more trouble than they're worth. If property rights were never threatened, the State could wither away, and property would remain the single basis of organized human society. Good riddance.
Some of the people from whom marx took his ideas were right.
Post scrypt
Some rebellions in the early history of the US concerned property, especially debt.
Julius Caesar, I'll mention, considered solving debt problems among his first priorities, and before his assassination had put through legislation aiding debtors, including himself, somewhat to the detriment of property owners.
Of course, the Senators who killed him were among the largest property holders in Rome.
Property was a Common Law right, antedating government.
When J.P. Morgan observed that some complaints from President Theodore Roosevelt could have been resolved quietly if Roosevelt's people had only discussed them with Morgan's people, he was showing the historically assumed relationship between property and its servant.
Why the USA instead of other Americas
Today land is still inexpensive in the USA - in comparison to the EU. To pretend that a mortgage failure will not result in buyer interest in the now available property - ignores the huge interest in property as a means of advancing social status.
Now change the word land for the new real estate. Free internet real estate is available in the USA and this form of REAL property advances social status. The Internet real estate and the land real estate are forms of property that can not be offered to citizens in any other country on the planet. The reasons the USA was attractive and prospered then are the same reasons today. But also in both cases - government is necessary to protect those property rights.
This Web 2.0 and the universal free access that we US citizens will have to it owing to the government regulated < 1Ghz airwaves means we stay together as a Union and the Federal Government has a purpose - even in peace time.
Taking the EU to mean Europeans...
For reference, I've read that comparatively few slaves were sent to North America prior to the legal end of import in 1807.
North America received more immigrants later. This may have been in part because they were (officially) welcome, because the climate was more agreeable to them, and because relatives were likely to be in North America.
Another reason for greater emigration to North America may have been population density before European arrival. (This is my speculation only.) The Indians in North America were largely hunter-gatherers, though there is evidence of stable communities, especially in the South.
But compare that to the Mayas, Incas, Aztecs, the great civilizations to the South. No matter the effects of disease and disruption by government, the population must have been larger and more thoroughly settled. If one were looking for land to farm for one's self, the North would have been more acceptable.
The free and low priced land in the US is a function of the lower population looking for and to settle. A factor here is how many people were urban- and large group- oriented compared with the number of those who would travel a long distance to live in near-isolation in dangerous territory.
And that is a valid concept of government's function: protection of property holders' rights.
I hope I've answered your comments. I admit I'm not certain of your argument's point.
Not by much.
As long as man was a hunter/gatherer or herder then there was no need for property rights as we know them. As soon as some guy stuck a seed in the ground and had expectations of harvesting the resulting plant then property rights became a necessity. "Big" government followed on that rather closely. Property rights and thus government are an unintended consequence of agriculture.
This same scenario has been played out more recently in the range wars between the cattlemen and the homesteaders in the expansion of the American west. Note that fences are now the norm.
Ever seen the equipment of a hunter-gatherer?
In addition, even the Vikings and Mongols, marauders, had many decorative items, some with religious function. There's more than one type of survival.
Someone who gave away a portable statue of the sort found in so many places would not have made survival less likely. But it would have hurt and frightened in a more imaginative but no less real way.
All that doesn't mean gifts were not made, sincerely and without intimidation. But the gift was a real loss for the giver.
Property and the intent to keep property are as much a part of human nature as breathing. But, like breathing, it can be controlled for other purposes.
Carefull
Both of these groups were either farmers (Vikings) or dependent on them (Mongols).
I don't think you can map peoples who have never seen agriculture onto peoples who live in an agricultural world but don't participate in it.
That being said, I did use the disclaimer "property rights as we know them" in my statement. I agree with you to the point that people have always had property that they could tote around with them. Personal property. It's the expansion of that concept to include things like land and music that came with agriculture.
That's a natural property rights argument
[i]But governments always threaten to become more trouble than they're worth. If property rights were never threatened, the State could wither away, and property would remain the single basis of organized human society. Good riddance.[/i]
Granted, governemnts that don't have property rights, or weaken them overmuch, result in weak economies, and are usually a sign of a very unfree state. On the other hand, creating natural laws that state that property is something people have by their very natures limits us as much as saying God dictates the exact shape and size of government and its laws. It doesn't leave room for us to tailor the system to our needs.
I'm not making the argument purely on utilitarian grounds. I genuinely believe that property is a human fabrication, albeit a useful and essential one. Even so, the utility aspects would demand that we have the freedom to tailor the laws so as to create an effective capitalist system.
Capitalism is a manufactured system. It is partly "natural" in the sense as humans have an innate understanding of "mine" and "not mine" that is apparent to even a two year old, and trading happens in the absence of internationally recognized property and contract laws. However, it works BETTER with a universal standard for such things, and capitalism is the system that results.
Yes, it is, and you agree.
And history further supports it. Fans of altruism who write anthropology have observed the gift-giving behavior of hunter-gathering peoples with approval, noting that they give away all their property freely.
Statements like that implicitly acknowledge a primitive understanding of mine/not-mine, as well as the loss inherent in giving away property. If the gift-giver didn't care, then the gift would not have much sentiment behind it.
So I think we can say that an understanding of property is inherent in human nature, as is negative feeling, potential or realized, about its loss.
If then government is formed to respond to certain demands of human nature, then property and its protection are an imperative which will probably not be ignored.
But to say that the fact government must respond to property and its protection does not control how government will react.
(You argued to the contrary that natural law restricts: "... creating natural laws that state that property is something people have by their very natures limits us ..."
A government can deny property rights or ignore them by specific decision. It can also advocate them above every other consideration. Meeting a view of the good can be accomplished by many means, some of them apparently contradicting the good itself in order to meet a perceived greater good.
So, you start with the assumption that prosperity is a good such that inconveniences can be accepted to reach that good. And then you give a higher priority to property rights than might others.
I support that decision. I believe it's fully justifiable on natural law grounds, among others. In other words, it is possible to come to the same conclusion with or without agreeing on the natural law issue. So you don't have to argue against a natural law basis for property because of the outcome of such a view.
And let's take your argument further: capitalism succeeds more than other systems because it responds most to the natural laws - hard-wired beliefs, remember - related to property. To me, you're arguing against the easiest explanation of why your advocacy of capitalism is correct.
Don't work so hard. You might succeed.
Re: Yes
However, that impulse is neither good or bad. We have many impulses, and not all of them are things we'd want to make as the foundation of law.
Likewise, a raw impulse is hardly a guide for laws. I can say its useful to harness the natural impulse for humans to divide things up into mine and not mine categories, but that doesn't answer HOW to properly manage the division. That's left for laws.
Like I said, there is nothing inherent in physical matter than makes it "belong" to someone, irrespective of natural human tendencies to categorize things as such.
[i]And let's take your argument further: capitalism succeeds more than other systems because it responds most to the natural laws - hard-wired beliefs, remember - related to property. To me, you're arguing against the easiest explanation of why your advocacy of capitalism is correct.[/i]
That I agree with. However, what I'm trying to avoid is the confusion that Stallman (and others) create by trying to inject morality into areas where they don't belong. Property rights might respond to a natural human impulse, but understanding that they ARE creations is useful in order to understand where intellectual property fits in.
If the sole foundation is natural law, people can claim pretty much anything is "natural." There really is no guiding principle once you leave the path of utility and dive into the land of moral absolutes.
Concept, not impulse.
The existence of a sense of property does not imply how that sense should be acted upon. Governments make laws, societies provide rules which restrict application of this natural understanding.
An argument about morality would be appropriate to legislative or societal discussions, as would considerations of utility. The main contribution of treating property as a natural right is that it cannot be ignored.
Re: Government is a fabrication of property owners...
[i]As the Federal Reserve will confirm, money is intellectual property.[/i]
How is money intellectual property??
:)
Legal tender.
Money is the most intellectual property you have.
Re: Legal tender.
If that's the case then I should be able to assert fair use rights to your money. BTW - when does yours revert to the public domain??
:)
Because money has no intrinsic value...
And when does money revert to the public domain? Every April 15th. As well as in the course of almost every purhase and receipt of services for which records are maintained.
The public domain doesn't usually wait for a period of time after demise to confiscate this IP, though it can, but instead obtains title in large and small increments.
You knew that.
The assumption is...
Naturally, you don't buy any public domain books unless you can identify the final copyright holder's next of kin so that you can properly compensate them, and you would never dream of incorporating public domain code in your programs (that would make you an accessory to theft). Rather interesting that Disney, that great defender of intellectual property based many of its greatest films on public domain stories (other people's confiscated IP).
Copyright should expire, of course.
The current rule is already too long, even for profitable materials. An author might not feel much responsibility for descendents who were a theoretical possibility at his death. A company which requires 80 year old material to be profitable is making an admission about subsequent efforts.
An old horse should be turned out to the fields, not worked to the last possible moment or... remaindered.
So should the early efforts of Mickey Mouse. They're a cultural heritage now, compliment or not. Reselling them in forms not conceived when they were produced becomes greed. Mickey's knackered.
These are sentiments, and before I made them law I'd assure myself that no living people were harmed in following my ideals. If they were at risk, I'd then have to decide if they deserved my sympathy or an end to undeserved largesse. Or worse, both.
In the meantime, I'll continue to read HP Lovecraft and the Sherlock Holmes stories, and hope that all of Wodehouse becomes available soon enough, because I couldn't afford to buy them.
Anton: That sounds better
Naturally, I reject the term "confiscation" for reasons that should be clear from my previous sarcastic post.
I wonder...
Tell you what, let me know where you live, I'll com squat at your place since we should live in some utopia that although much written about, has never, and will never exist.
A friend of mine once said that it is too bad that we don't live in a communist or socialist country where everything is the proerty of the state and everyone if treated the same. Hated to break it to him that it was never like that. The ones in power get all anything and everything they want, while the ones without get very little or nothing.
Exactly
I find most of their arguments to be self serving in the extreme. They serve as a useful sounding board against which to bounce a defense of copyright and intellectual property, however.