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Warning lights on the Apple control panel

By | October 8, 2007, 9:23am PDT

As I was laying up last week avoiding the impulse to pick up my pen and write a blog post (not that I use pens when writing any of these things), it was hard to avoid the sea of red lights popping up across the technology news landscape. Erick Schonfeld told Apple to stop thinking like a phone company. A hidden camera video showed an Apple store “Genius Bar” employee telling a customer that Apple would not help him after he put third party software on his iPhone (choice quote: “it’s a PC,” implying that the user had the expectation that a smartphone should be customizable like a PC). Apple forums started serving as locations to discuss a possible class action lawsuit before Apple shut the discussion threads down. An LA times columnist noted the similarities between arguments Jobs made regarding keeping the iPhone closed to those made by AT&T in the bad ol’ antitrust days. To top it all off, the fuss has served as basis for a new ad campaign from Nokia encouraging consumers to favor systems open to customization.

Quite a shift from a few months ago when the iPhone could do very little wrong.

Apple seemed to believe that its experience with the iPod could inform its approach to a the “smartphone” market, but that was always something of a stretch. Few demand the ability to customize their iPod, because expectations have already been set regarding the customizability of music playback devices. Most view such devices as the modern day equivalent of Sony “Walkman” devices. I never felt the need to customize a portable CD player, mostly because it wasn’t possible. That builds certain consumption habits that persist because music players still feel and act like the task-specific hardware devices with which most of us are familiar even if, in reality, these days they are capable of so much more (which would imply moves to support browsing in iPod’s might lead to changed expectations).

Once a computing product crosses into computer territory - as an iPhone clearly does - the restraints start to bite because expectations have already been set regarding what consumers should expect from a multi-purpose computer platform, portable or otherwise.

Can Apple get past this resistance? Apple certainly has a different notion of what is possible from a customizability standpoint than, say, Microsoft. Apple creates products that are designed to be easy to use, and I’m sure they would argue that tightly controlling what runs on their products is part and parcel of making things stable and predictable.

On the other hand, the market didn’t consolidate around the hardware / software integrated model exemplified by Apple. It consolidated around a model that assumes high levels of customizability by unbundling hardware sales from the software necessary to run it. Markets chose that approach, which says something about what most people expect from computing products.

I think Apple would be wise to apply the lessons from that LA Times opinion piece I mentioned previously:

The market for mobile devices is a highly competitive one, and Apple shouldn’t be compelled to accept third-party software on its shiny new phone. Yet it’s swimming against the tide here. As devices such as the iPhone blur the lines between cellphones and computers, software developers and service providers are flooding into the mobile arena. Companies that help those developers build on their products will benefit first from their innovations. That’s why Nokia, whose sales dwarf Apple’s, takes that approach. In a sense, Apple is fighting its own success: It sells a compelling phone that people want to write programs for. Rather than trying to thwart those enthusiasts, the company should give them a platform on which to work.

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Not the best argument....
fingers@... 13th Oct 2007
The difference is that an automotive OEM computer is not set up as an interactive device. Unless you include it telling you your MPG or if your car is having problems, and even then there is nothing you can do. You didn't buy the car for it's ability to run Firefox or Windows Office, you never even considered it.

And being that I just happen to be a mechanic, I can tell you that there are lots of aftermarket companies that do exactly what you describe. Almost all of which is accomplished through add-on devices that trick the computer into thinking the vehicle is operating under different conditions than it is. Diesel trucks are the biggest offenders in the mod world.

As long as the vehicle has not been excessively modified in any way, as in no cut wires or such, yes, they will still attempt to fix your vehicle and honor the warranty. Unless there is gross negligence on the owners behalf. Yes, it sucks most of the time. And there are rare times when the company will reject a claim (usually due to lack of maintenance, not add ons). I guess they see the fact that the people who are doing the modding are a large enough section of their market to deal with the occasional idiots.

Fingers
IMHO, they have no room to *****. They knew the limitations. now that they purchased, they don't want to live with them or the EULA, and it's gripe gripe gripe.

It's not like this was all a secret.
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but up to a certain point
Quebec-french 8th Oct 2007
soon will need legislation to protect user form restrictive eula .

After all you paid 600$ for the god damn phone its like a have a brand new car but i cant put new tire ......

if apple wanna go dinosaur way hey its there choice
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The iPhone is in no danger of being rejected in the market
place. You hacker are too few to make a ripple. The iPhone
is selling now at twice the rate per month than before the
price decrease and Christmas buying season hasn't started
yet. I expect Apple to sell three to four million iPhones to
people who want to use it as a mobile phone, not a hand
held computer.
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Cars have computers too.
Jkirk3279 12th Oct 2007
" its like a have a brand new car but i cant put new tire ......'

Actually, all modern cars have computers in them.

So, it's like you bought a brand new car and got somebody to hack the engine
computer to increase the horsepower output, at the expense of lower fuel
efficiency, more pollution, and greater engine wear.


So now you're driving your SUV or whatever, and the engine really smokes...

until you need the dealer to run the codes on the computer and, whups, it's been
hacked.

Do you think any auto maker would honor the warranty after that tampering?
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Not the best argument....
fingers@... 13th Oct 2007
The difference is that an automotive OEM computer is not set up as an interactive device. Unless you include it telling you your MPG or if your car is having problems, and even then there is nothing you can do. You didn't buy the car for it's ability to run Firefox or Windows Office, you never even considered it.

And being that I just happen to be a mechanic, I can tell you that there are lots of aftermarket companies that do exactly what you describe. Almost all of which is accomplished through add-on devices that trick the computer into thinking the vehicle is operating under different conditions than it is. Diesel trucks are the biggest offenders in the mod world.

As long as the vehicle has not been excessively modified in any way, as in no cut wires or such, yes, they will still attempt to fix your vehicle and honor the warranty. Unless there is gross negligence on the owners behalf. Yes, it sucks most of the time. And there are rare times when the company will reject a claim (usually due to lack of maintenance, not add ons). I guess they see the fact that the people who are doing the modding are a large enough section of their market to deal with the occasional idiots.

Fingers
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Only a complete MORON would hack a device, break their EULA, and then whine and cry about not receiving support... The iPhone is the best tech gadget to hit the market in the history of tech gadgets... Period. The only ones crying are the AM Hackers (posers) who were dumb enough to hack a 600.00 device they didn't have a clue on how to fix if they hosed it. And then you were dumber than dirt and went and install an update on top of your hack... What exactly were you expecting to happen???


So to all you MORON posers out there... Go rub the letters off a blackberry or a Treo. You want to cry to someone.. call your mommy, perhaps she will have some sympathy for raising you to be so stupid.
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Huh,, no
Jim888 8th Oct 2007
"On the other hand, the market didn?t consolidate around the hardware / software integrated model exemplified by Apple. It consolidated around a model that assumes high levels of customizability by unbundling hardware sales from the software necessary to run it. Markets chose that approach, which says something about what most people expect from computing products. "

If Apple wanted to be just another cell phone maker - it can join the cast of 100's and swim in the same waters. It took a different path to go as a matter of choice. Of all the cell phones in the environment - maybe 10% have modifications (beyond tone "tunes"). This is probably close to the reports of 10% of the iPhones have been unlocked so far.

The choice, as I see it is that Apple can be just another cell phone vendor to the networks, or it can change the model for the user hardware side of things. I would not be surprised if the other vendors start moving into the "give me a cut of the monthly fees" or you do not see the latest iPhone killer.

Don't like the rules - change them so you do. That is Apple's apparent take on the cell business - and they have made it work. Sleepy other cell hardware manufactorers got a splash of water in their face with the terms of the iPhone - "out of the box" type thinking for them to consider. "out of the box" - yup that is an Apple standard.
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Right.
UrbanBard 8th Oct 2007
The point about competition is that a manufacturer can
change the paradigm; then, he can see if he is rewarded
by the market place. It is how we get something new.
Consequently, Apple does not have to conform to Smart
Phone standards. This especially so since Apple is going
for the 90 percent of mobile phone users who think that
Smart Phones are too complicated. The hackers and the
current Smart Phone users who object to Apple's policies
are too few in numbers to affect Apple. They are not the
market that the iPhone is aiming for.

We will see if Apple or the Smart Phone manufacturers
pleases the consumers. Third Party applications will
come but under Apple's control.
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Honest question
laura.b 11th Oct 2007
You claim 10% of cell phones are as they come with the exception of things like ring tones.

What percentage of smartphones do you think are the way they came out of the box (since we're making up numbers on the spot here)?
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Agreed
John L. Ries 8th Oct 2007
Mr. Jobs is now walking around with a very large hole in his foot. Too bad for him that AT&T isn't likely to let him out of a very bad deal.
You can't go sell 600$ phone that scream toy me out man and expect tech junkie to stay put and don'ttake the iphone out for a spin please .....

if apple believe that they can enforce with th eula i have bad new for them .... this smell war big time and i don't think that apple can spit on buyer for any reason what so ever. if they dont learn fast they will neither suffer the faith as the dinosaur or some government around the world will show them the same medieval ways as microsoft last month .
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If you want to break your warranty...
UrbanBard 8th Oct 2007
Apple has no objection. The problem with the hackers is
that they are bad customers who wanted to break their
warranties AND demand service. Too bad. The numbers
of hackers are very small; Apple can do without their
business. The vast majority of iPhone buyers like the
iPhone as it is: 85 percent of them are satisfied or very
satisfied with their purchase.

Apple is now selling twice as many iPhones per month,
because of the recent price decrease. And the Christmas
buying season hasn't started yet. Apple will likely sell
between three to four million iPhone during Christmas
to people who want to use it as a phone, not as a
handheld computer. It will become the largest selling
mobile phone in the world, beating out the Blackberry.
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The problem with the hackers is
that they are bad customers who wanted to break their
warranties AND demand service.


You are an idiot. There's no other way to see it.

Legally there is no difference between a warrantee that's been voided and a warrantee that's expired. i.e., there is no warrentee in force. How is Apple going to treat it's customers whose warrantees have expired? Like trash, too?

I've never been an Apple customer but I've always sort of admired it. No anymore. Apple's no different now than a credit card company in my view: bottomfeeders.



happy
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Re:You are an idiot
meelder 8th Oct 2007
No need to go all third grade on him for expressing an opinion, lighten up.

If you're told, "don't touch the stove, it's hot and will burn you" and you touch the
stove anyway, YOU are responsible for the consequences of that action, aren't
you? As far as I see it it's the same thing here, they were told what might happen
if they modified their phones and then applied the latest upgrades. If they decide
to do it anyway it's their own fault.

Toro isn't going to warrany my mower if I super-charge the engine, even if I think
it's the coolest thing ever and it's my property so I can do whatever I want with it,
are they?
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Re: Re:You are an idiot
none none 8th Oct 2007
If you're told, "don't touch the stove, it's hot and will burn you" and you touch the
stove anyway, YOU are responsible for the consequences of that action, aren't
you?


That's not accurate. It's more like, "don't touch the stove, it's hot and I will swat you with a frying pan." Apple isn't a bystander. Apple deliberately bricked these folk's iPhones. True, they warned users they would, but Apple pursued an action and it has consequences, too. Doesn't it?

Toro isn't going to warrany my mower if I super-charge the engine, even if I think
it's the coolest thing ever and it's my property so I can do whatever I want with it,
are they?


No, they won't honor the warranty, but they still will fix it for you, won't they? You may have to pay for it, but they won't turn you down flat. Besides, you wrecked the mower, not Toro.

Toro tells you that supercharging voids the warranty because Toro know that supercharging will burn out the engine faster. There is no analogy for a computer, and no other computer manufacturer will void a warranty for third-party software.

Apple bricked these folks iPhones not because they damaged the iPhone. They damaged Apple's ability to continue to make money off of it after they've sold it. The warranty thing is a fig leaf.





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Incorrect
Ben_E 9th Oct 2007
Apple bricked these folks iPhones not because they damaged the iPhone. They damaged Apple's ability to continue to make money off of it after they've sold it. The warranty thing is a fig leaf.

You've missed the point of what the other posters are saying. To hack the iPhone certain actions had to be taken that affected system files that would be altered/replaced by the update. Apple made it very clear that to install the update (an optional action, it wasn't forced) these files would be changed and the update would probably stop hacked iPhones working altogether. Yet lots of people still went ahead and did it anyway.

I do agree that Apple should be doing more - maybe an update to iTunes so that a bricked phone that is plugged is reset to factory settings + latest updates (i.e. re-image the flash drive) Then the only penalty is the loss of all your data on the phone, but your expensive hardware still works.
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of getting back to firmware update 1.0.2. That should solve most problems.

I am sure the people are trying Apple's patience. The hackers are uniformly blaming
Apple while accepting no responsibility for getting bricked. Next, the hackers are
proclaims their right to unlock their iPhones, install Third Party apps and hold Apple
accountable for fixing their iPhones. The hackers broke it; it is no longer any of
Apple's responsibility. The hacker have been so prejudicial why should Apple do
them any favors?
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Re: You are an idiot
meelder 9th Oct 2007
"That's not accurate. It's more like, "don't touch the stove, it's hot and I will swat you with a frying pan." Apple isn't a bystander. Apple deliberately bricked these folk's iPhones. True, they warned users they would, but Apple pursued an action and it has consequences, too. Doesn't it?"

IF they deliberately bricked the phone then perhaps you have an arguement, but that is purely conjecture on your part. I'm of the opinion that fair warning was given of the potential consequences of the action, so a person's choice to ignore that warning makes them responsible.

"No, they won't honor the warranty, but they still will fix it for you, won't they? You may have to pay for it, but they won't turn you down flat. Besides, you wrecked the mower, not Toro."

No, Toro is not going to fix it for you. You are going to go to a small engine repair shop that is (probably) affiliated with Toro in some way and ask them to fix it, and pray they are able and willing to work around all of the third party hardware that has been installed on your mower which they probably won't recognize and have replacement parts for. I love that you used the sentence "Besides, you wrecked the mower, not Toro." because I agree with you, but your arguement against Apple directly conflicts with this sentence!

If I pirate Windows, do I get to complain that the automatic updates don't work right? Can I file a lawsuit because the WGA (or whatever it's called, slips my mind right now) is stopping my computer from working right?
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love your WGA analogy
g2 in the desert 9th Oct 2007
I for one wouldn't buy an iPhone if AT&T was my only choice, so I like the idea of cracking it open. But you lay bare what I see as the author's deliberate Microsoft bias. "How DARE Apple do something like this". And when it's Microsoft, "Ummm, nothing to see here, move along, move along...."
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Re: love your WGA analogy
tikigawd 9th Oct 2007
WGA tries to control piracy of the Windows OS, it doesn't control what you put on your computer. Once I buy or build my computer I am free do do with it whatever the hell I feel like. MS is not going to tell me I can't install Quicken, or Battlefield 2142, or a GeForce 8800 as long as I payed for my copy of Windows. So no, MS is not bricking my PC just because I didn't buy MS Money, or MS Office, or the latest MS Flight Simulator...
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Same old same old idiot argument
Chippolus 9th Oct 2007
"If I pirate Windows, do I get to complain that the automatic updates don't work right? Can I file a lawsuit because the WGA (or whatever it's called, slips my mind right now) is stopping my computer from working right?"

You would if the next windows update you tried to perform melted the whole computer. Why is it arguing about this is like convincing people to run against the smoke to get to the fire? Its a smokescreen. Its not about voiding warranty, its not freezing the phone until you get legit. Its destruction of your property that is obviously intentional and pre-warned. Hey, back here... the wind is blowing the smoke away from the fire...

Is it dumb to update after they were warned? Yeah.
Does Apple have the right to build a bomb into their updates? I don't think so.
Is it the rise of a new Reich? Hail Apple. It sure as hell isn't the old warm and fuzzy apple.
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Take off the Tin Foil Hat
Len Rooney 9th Oct 2007
You are free to do what you want with your new iPhone, just don't expect to
remain on the warranty and upgrade path if you 'go it alone' by hacking the
device. Period.

There was even an on-screen warning telling people not to use the latest updater
if they had unlocked or otherwise hacked their phone. What's so hard to
understand?

Besides, you really have to try and prove that Apple intentionally designed to brick
those phones.

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2007/10/
cultofmac_1003
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You are crying like a baby who wants his cake and eat it too. Apple is not breaking
the warranty-- the hackers are. Apple tried to keep you people from upgrading if you
had modified your iPhone. If you updated a modified iPhone the installer had you
agree to accept all the consequences if it broke.

And when your warrantee is expired: Apple is not responsible for fixing anything.
You Are totally illogical.
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well actually
jphines79 9th Oct 2007
the people that "broke" their iPhones arent demanding service from ATT or from Apple. the iPhone was broken because of the poor choice of phone carrier. ATT's data network is so severly crippled in comparison to the capabilities of the iPhone that locking it to that network in turn crippled the iPhone, so this so called warranty voiding "break" is actually liberation.

As far as I know from reading about the iPhone and the unlock project, Apple chose to provide non-support and brick untampered with iPhones as well as "broken" iPhones with the new update. Now is it wrong for the people who did not lock their iPhones to demand service from Apple? I think you need to step back and look at the big picture before you post such ridiculous banter.
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Then don't buy an iPhone. Don't try to install it on another carrier. The only way to do
so beaks your warranty.

Just because the law allows you to unlock a phone does not mean that you won't pay
a price for doing so. The price, here, is that you give up any updates or warranty
service.
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Understand the Market
Almustafa 9th Oct 2007
Most of you don't understand the mobile phone market - the numbers are simply huge, dwarfing those of iPods & PDAs.

Neither Apple nor RIM Blackberry are really on Nokia's radar yet - Nokia sell 100m handsets every quarter!

The iPhone is not likely to become 'the largest selling
mobile phone in the world' anytime soon.
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In three years, The IPhone...
UrbanBard 9th Oct 2007
In three years, The IPhone will be the best selling Smart Phone of all time. There are
only a 100 million Smart Phone sold a year. The industry leader, Blackberry, sold 3
million Smart Phones last quarter while Apple sold a million iPhones. The projections
are that Apple will sell three to four million iPhones over the Christmas quarter, 12 to
16 million in 2008, 25 to 35 million in 2009. Where will these customers come
from-- the Smart Phone owners? No. They will come from the feature phone owner
who think that current Smart Phones are too complicated.

Most of what Nokia sells is feature Phones that don't compare to an iPhone.
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2 points for you
laura.b 11th Oct 2007
First point - How do you explain the larger demand for laptops than iPhones that was just reported? Here's a link:

http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/10/survey-macbooks.html

My theory is that when you consider what you are getting for the price, the MacBook is a far better deal because it's yours to customize and apps to, not to mention who would want to do any actual work from an iPhone? When you start thinking of things like a computer, then hear things like "You can't put whatever you want on it" people don't like that. We're used to being able to put anything we want on a computer.

Second point - "hackers" is an ugly word for someone who didn't do anything wrong. They were allowed to unlock their phone if they wanted to. I agree that expecting service was just silly, and they deserve a bricked phone if they tried to update. But they aren't bad guys for unlocking their phones. It's very firmly within their rights to do so. Again, I agree that expecting an update once you've unlocked is foolish, and no complaints regarding that should be entertained, but they certainly aren't criminals. Not according to current law anyway.
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It did?
Richard Flude 8th Oct 2007
"It consolidated around a model that assumes high levels of customizability by
unbundling hardware sales from the software necessary to run it. Markets chose
that approach, which says something about what most people expect from
computing products."

Where is any evidence for this? The market choose the cheaper option, which
happened to be the unbundled hardware thanks to Compaq reverse-engineering
the IBM BIOS. The network effect ensured it's advantage.

The economy of scale, competition and the original IBM PC design utilising off-
the-shelf components resulted in a hardware platform cheaper than the
alternatives. That MS signed a non-exclusive distribution agreement with IBM
enabled them to sell their existing OS to the clone manufacturers.

Those of us old enough to remember the introduction of the PC don't have
recollections of people walking into shops asking for the computer with "high
levels of customizability". This simply didn't happen.

Let's not rewrite history. Let's also acknowledge that with only a very few
exceptions the mobile phone/PDA market heavily restricts customisation. What
upsets people about the iPhone is the restriction to AT&T in the US, let's not make
anymore of it.

If you want customisation go with Troll Tech's greenphone (Linux + QT with full
source). Better be quick, with this level of customisation I'd be surprised if any are
left;-)
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Must be a different universe
tonymcs@... 8th Oct 2007
Sorry Richard, but one of the immediate things about the PC was that developers took to it in droves. It was very customisable and its open architecture led to a wonderful surge of apps and software/hardware combinations that has made Windows the global OS today. One thing that was difficult and still is today, was developing for the Apple - compared to the development environments available for the PC.

As to "very few exceptions" - I'll take issue with that too. You have been able to easily develop apps for Windows Pocket PC and now Mobile for years - you could even do it with a free VB for the Pocket PC.

The problem with the iPhone is that for once Apple didn't copy enough features and technology. Most of the smart phones in the last few years have better features than the iPhone and people who bought these bricks are starting to find out their limitations. In the end, Apple still exists because of sales of its rebadged MP3 player, not because of the Mac or any OS or any inherent intelligence or business sense. Whether Apple can learn to be successful in the big wide world is another question, but it better get its act together soon.
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Yes, in which one do you live?
Richard Flude 8th Oct 2007
"One thing that was difficult and still is today, was developing for the Apple -
compared to the development environments available for the PC."

OK please provide examples of the difference between say Apple I/II (with
hardware schematics provided), Commodore 64, Altair, and the IBM PC clone in
regard to the ability to develop for in the early days of the PC.

I'm not disagreeing that "developers took to it in [PC] droves", but I am
disagreeing this was because of it's openness rather than it's price.

"One thing that was difficult and still is today, was developing for the Apple -
compared to the development environments available for the PC."

What is difficult about developing for Apple? Mac OS X bundles an excellent IDE
with every copy for free. The frameworks are extremely well documented and the
kernel and much of the OS utilities are open source. Mac OS X is more open than
windows, yet has a smaller market share (a conundrum?).

"You have been able to easily develop apps for Windows Pocket PC and now
Mobile for years - you could even do it with a free VB for the Pocket PC."

Right, and you can develop apps for iPhone using the Safari SDK. Windows Pocket
PCs are more open than the iPhone, but they aren't without significant restrictions
(my point). If openness was the benchmark for success the market leader would
be the green phone, but it isn't.

"The problem with the iPhone is that for once Apple didn't copy enough features
and technology. "

Implying Apple doesn't create innovative technology, how cute;-)

"Most of the smart phones in the last few years have better features than the
iPhone and people who bought these bricks are starting to find out their
limitations."

Yet the iPhone customer satisfaction scores do bear out your opinions:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/44709-early-iphone-adopters-extremely-
satisfied

Examples would be useful;-)

"In the end, Apple still exists because of sales of its rebadged MP3 player, not
because of the Mac or any OS or any inherent intelligence or business sense. "

Guess they're just lucky then;-)

"Whether Apple can learn to be successful in the big wide world is another
question, but it better get its act together soon."

Implying Apple is in trouble, hope the market doesn't find out;-)

The post encapsulated the MS fanboy perfectly. Wild accusations with zero
supporting evidence easily disproved. Knocking a company when at their
strongest history takes a special level of ignorance though;-)
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Not a conundrum
rapson 9th Oct 2007
"Mac OS X is more open than windows, yet has a smaller market share (a conundrum?)."

OS X has a smaller market share because Apple won't allow it to be run on any hardware but its own. There is a small but reliable portion of the market that is willing to pay for Apple's hardware, and Apple knows this, but the result is that its market share remains fairly stagnant. In the past, we've been told by Apple apologists that this is intentional.

Many people chafe at the notion of being restricted by Apple, even if Apple has good reason or "it's for our own good". It's psychological, not logical. If Apple were to release OS X to be run on non-Apple hardware, you'd see its market share skyrocket.

Carl Rapson
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OS X on non apple hardware?
i8thecat 9th Oct 2007
Apple restricts OS X to apple controlled hardware to keep the whining to a minimum. Apple hardware is hands down the best. It is extremely reliable and the quality control is the best in the industry. If Apple released OS X for non Apple PCs, the morons would be whining left and right... Blaming OSX for problems caused by their junky PCs running ESD'd RAM chips and the cheepest video cards they could find on clearance. If Apple did release OS X for non Apple hardware, they wouldn't offer tech support for OS X running on dung heap hardware... and my how the loosers would cry and whine if that ever happened.
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Apple Fans just don't get it.
bentonbill@... 9th Oct 2007
While you all rant and rave about the superiority of Apple, try to grasp the fact that the majority of people use other solutions becuase Apple doesn't meet their needs. Man are you an arrogant ****.
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PC dorks just don't get it.
i8thecat 9th Oct 2007
While you rant about these so called needs you have, try to grasp the fact that there is nothing a pc can do that a mac cannot do better. The majority of people use other solutions becuase they are ignorant and have never looked for a better solution. Yes I run XP via Parallels on my Mac.. and Yes.. all my "PC Only" proprietary hardware AND software works perfectly on my Mac... Man are you an ignorant ****.
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That is my point
Richard Flude 9th Oct 2007
"OS X has a smaller market share because Apple won't allow it to be run on any
hardware but its own."

My point being Wintel didn't come to it's dominant position because of openness
as claimed. The factors are more complicated, but it comes down to the
acquisition costs of IBM clones was less than the competition.

"There is a small but reliable portion of the market that is willing to pay for
Apple's hardware, and Apple knows this, but the result is that its market share
remains fairly stagnant."

Apple has seen it's dominant market share drop to their lowest a few years ago,
and it has marginally risen since then. Apple's market share is only "fairly
stagnant" if measure over a period of time where Apple's market share was only
"fairly stagnant";-)

"If Apple were to release OS X to be run on non-Apple hardware, you'd see its
market share skyrocket."

Maybe, but would significantly alter their business model.

My point is during the early days of PCs, the Wintel rise to dominance was not
because it was more open. This is a complete misrepresentation of history, yet
formed the basis of JC's blog.
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Also internet
Len Rooney 9th Oct 2007
Richard, I agree. Consciously deciding upon Microsoft's open platform strategy
was hardly the case. It was more like, "You can't go wrong with IBM, and hey, look,
this clone uses IBM technology but is half the price!"

Microsoft surfed and stumbled it's way into market dominance on waves of
consumer and corporate ignorance about computing in general. People wanted to
buy what everyone else appeared to be buying because they didn't want to get
stuck with the next Betamax or Osborne. It was herd mentality, more knee-jerk,
"I'd better get onboard with all this computer stuff or I'll be left behind."

The other big wave that Microsoft managed to catch was internet. People rushed
out in great hordes to buy Windows 95 on the belief that it *was* the internet. Or
rather, it was their only way of getting to the internet. Most people buying
Windows 95 felt they were buying the thing that would give them the internet. So
it's very important to note that internet was the killer app that caused the pc gold
rush, not Windows 95. Windows was simply regarded as the most popular shovel.
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..and then some
mollenhourb@... 9th Oct 2007
That, and I have an iMac at home that replaced my PC four years ago. I've "customized" the heck out of it over the last four years. I've NEVER had a PC that I could keep running for four years if I "customized" it, unless I wanted to reformat it and reinstall all the software a couple of times a year. Don't even get me started on that insane philosophy.

My Apple is highly customizable (except I can't get that Alien case mod with the water cooled insides. Oh the pain. How ever will I go on?).
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What better way to not only control how the software is developed and used.

I think this is a case where they got caught not anticipating that this would happen.

Jobs is a brilliant marketer and if anyone can make this a positive thin, he can. I suspect that in the next several months something will be released.
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There is a development platform
CowLauncher 9th Oct 2007
but only for web apps. This was clearly stated by Jobs. I believe there will be a
development platform for "real" apps in the near future. I also see that the friction
over this is coming from a very small segment of users, bloggers, Apple bashers.
Legitimate developers will need to be patient.

For many the Apple way of doing things is new and that famous reliability and
usability is in part due to Apple controlling the whole widget...this will drive folks who
love to fiddle, nuts.
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The hackers are jumping the gun.
UrbanBard 9th Oct 2007
A SDK will come when Apple has the time to get around to it. Apple has already
set up a pilot program for selling iPod games that will be extended to the iPhone.
Third Party developers will be licensed to sell their games an apps through the
itunes Music store. But, all this is too fast. The iPhone is just three months old. Be
patient.

Apple has its hands full getting Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard out the door, this month.
Apple delayed the next upgrade to the Mac to fix the iPhone first. Parts of the
software in the iPhone OS are Leopard based, so, Leopard must be next.

But, Most iPhone buyers have no interest in hacking their iPhones. They just want
a mobile phone that works. Apple will take care of them first because they
represent 95% of the iPhone buyers.
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SDK
Len Rooney 10th Oct 2007
iPhone is only 3 months old, yet patience has never been a big hacker virtue.

The latest rumors say Apple is already hard at work on a 3rd party developer strategy
for iPhone:

http://smallurl.co.uk/?1690
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Apple Haters
pvhastings 9th Oct 2007
pathetic losers looking for a ***** in the armor.

it works, get over it and stop trying to convince people that because you can't tinker with it - it's no good.

you tinkered with Windows - and look at that dead OS.
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Unbundled?
elbow room 9th Oct 2007
"...around a model that assumes high levels of
customizability by unbundling hardware sales from the
software necessary to run it."

Hm. Word is that an upgrade to Windows Vista often
requires an upgrade of or outright replacement of one's
hardware. Unbundled?
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One Good Hatchet Job....
Harry Bardal 9th Oct 2007
...deserves another.

Up until a short time ago, not being allowed to develop for the iPhone was a non
issue. The reason? There was no iPhone. For the hand wringing, proclamations of
entitlement, and righteous indignation to start, the iPhone had to be released. For
the iPhone to owe John Carroll a living, Apple had to grace him with its presence. I
for one, am sensing a pattern.

This is not John Carroll's hobby kit. This is not George Ou's bargain basement
Frankenbox. This is not Ed Botts Windows centric, 5 cpu, entertainment system.
We have simply reached a point where advanced engineering, fabrication and
software design will no longer be restrained by a need for a few self involved egos
to maintain some illusion of control.


So this is about open vs closed? Hogwash. Steve Ballmer, today made more threats
against open source. How does this foster tech coexistence? How does this
contribute to open market balance?


Will iPhone be a legitimate dev platform? Of course it will. Its essentially OSX in
your hand. Its currently weeks old. Give it 1/8th the chance you've given Vista. See
what happens.

Please choose Windows Mobile if the iPhone doesn't suit. Then try to tell me again
how we took what we were given, and you, somehow, didn't. When computers
were sold to computer illiterates, the Windows ethos worked. Now computers are
sold to computer users. they understand a computer is a tool to be productive and
creative, not to endlessly tinker with and modify. A computer's potential is
realized through use, not through customization. Windows has spread itself thin
to address the trades. Who's around to meet the larger human needs with more
refinement. As we find out that more and more things fall under the auspices of
binary systems, did we really believe one vendor could act as the wellspring for
literally everything?

So yes, the Windows strategy has spread broadly across the landscape. Its
impressed us with its scope if not its nature. Times are changing however.
Content is the new killer app, and the new base camp is the authoring tool not the
OS. iMovie is replacing C+. Its salable.

7 years ago, a solid foundation was laid for a skyscraper. It's gone up a few floors
since then. It distinguishes itself on this broad Windows landscape, in terms of
both its current nature, and its future intent. Its an efficient use of land. Its
grounded on the open market. Its got a good view. It is in fact, vertical integration
incarnate. Because its so conspicuous, everyone in the broad Windows landscape
can see it and comment. As it gets higher, it even becomes visible from over the
horizon. The shantytown is showing envy. This new tower is not for everyone.
Would we have it any other way?

John Carroll endorses and participates in a platform market that has done just as
much to obscure the open market as to champion it. His employer has been found
to be a monopolist on two continents. Weekly, he asks us to be impressed by it.
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Goodness sake... give Apple some time here. This is a
completely new product from a company that has
never been in the cell phone business and has never
partnered with a mobile phone carrier. Obviously Apple
want's to prove the product works as advertised FIRST
before the torrent of 3rd party applications and hacks
muddle up the product so widely that there are
questions as to if the product is working the way it
should.

The iPhone has a full blown OS on it and that means
there are all sorts of possibilities. Give Apple time to
ease into how this will be done. All these folks are just
jumping the gun. And we won't even talk about the
unlocking issue. If you can't deal with AT&T then find
another smart phone. A year from now everyone will
wonder what all the gnashing of teeth was all about
with respect to 3rd party applications. Patience, it will
come. I completely understand the impatience. There
is a lot I'd like to see too. Just give the company some
credit here. They want the product to be terrific. Give
them a chance to guide that evolution some before
trashing them and the product.
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Monopoly??
scsi72@... 10th Oct 2007
Well I think that Apple must to open, it's the same thing that if you buy a car but you only can use the tires, oil and gas the same company. In some ways Apple wants a monopoly, it wants to let it know us what is good and what is wrong. Of course, the Apple products are so nice but it's not fair that we have to allow them to decide for everything
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Plenty of options
rapson 10th Oct 2007
The only monopoly Apple can maintain is a monopoly on its own hardware-software combination (whether the PC, iPod, or iPhone). There are plenty of alternatives if you don't like what Apple is offering, and many of the alternatives are just as good if not better. That's what makes Apple different from the Microsoft of 10 years ago (today is a different story). Apple is free to do what it wants with its products and to treat its customers however it wishes. We can (and do) vote with our wallets.

That said, however, it's not unreasonable to criticize Apple for what it does, even if you're not an Apple customer. Apple consistently leads the market in innovation and others are quick to (try to) follow suit. Given Apple's influence, we should always be concerned about what Apple is up to.

Carl Rapson
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There was a day...
Narg 10th Oct 2007
There was a time when "proprietary" was a very dirty word. Companies like Apple and Sony seem dead certain to bring back proprietary systems and formats that don't play well with others. It's time to get back on the "WE DON'T WANT PROPRIETARY!" rant again. Nobody wins in the proprietary game. Not the companies, and definitely not the consumers. That's you and me. On the losing end. I don't want to be there, and neither should you. Spend your money wisely.

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