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After the iPhone 4S, Windows Phone 7.5 still feels right

By | October 18, 2011, 7:40am PDT

Summary: The Apple iPhone 4S is being purchased at a fast pace and I am enjoying mine. However, Windows Phone 7.5 is still my preferred platform and just needs better hardware.

My fellow ZDNet blogger and friend, James Kendrick, put up a post comparing his Android and iOS 5/iPhone 4S experiences and I agree with his take on the two. Since he has been a much more regular Android user while I have been focusing more time on Windows Phone 7 I thought you might enjoy hearing my thoughts on how the new iOS 5 OS on my Apple iPhone 4S compares to the Windows Phone 7 platform.

Software: iOS 5 vs. Windows Phone 7.5

A person who has used Windows Phone 7 even more than myself is Paul Thurrott and on his SuperSite for Windows he offers some thoughts on Windows Phone 7.5 versus iOS 5 and comes the conclusion that his AT&T SIM belongs in his Windows Phone 7.5 device. Paul emphasizes what I talked about when Windows Phone 7 was first released in 2010 and that is the philosophy of an application based system versus a task based system. In Windows Phone 7/7.5 you don’t generally think of apps as much (except for Xbox LIVE games) as you simply perform tasks to get things done, such as call a friend or look at your photos.

iOS 5 and the Apple iPhone 4S may change all of that as Siri grows up, but right now Siri is still a bit limited on what you can do and I personally find it most useful for creating reminders and calendar appointments. Since Siri is a beta, I am hoping to get more integration into 3rd party apps and even Apple apps. I would love to just say something like “Download the latest MobileTechRoundup podcast and start playing it.” It is not yet that advanced though and as I mentioned in an earlier article the Windows Phone 7.5 Tellme voice integration is excellent and deserves consideration.

Apple rules the smartphone world with the number of applications, but I personally find all the apps I want and need on Windows Phone 7 in their catalog of 30,000+ applications. I find the notifications in iOS 5 to blow away what limited notifications we see on Windows Phone and would love to see a bit more work in this area.

Speed and consistency has always been a hallmark of iOS, but Windows Phone 7.5 beats Apple here with an extremely snappy performance even on old hardware. Windows Phone 7.5 is as consistent as iOS and maybe even more so with less menu options and settings available to the end user. Windows Phone 7.5 does an excellent job with service integration while Apple forces you into the idea of working with specific apps, such as separate Facebook and Twitter apps.

Hardware

There is no question that the hardware of the iPhone 4S blows away anything we currently see in Windows Phone. Hopefully that changes very soon when Nokia joins the picture and if they release a device as amazing as the Nokia N9 I am looking at then we’ll have a real competition going on. HTC, Samsung, and others need to step up their Windows Phone game and I think a couple of the upcoming Windows Phone 7.5 device look to do that.

Which do I prefer?

As regular readers know I have been a major fan and advocate for Windows Phone 7 and still am a strong believer that you need to try it before tossing it out for consideration. My daughter liked it so much that she helped pay for her own unlocked Samsung Focus to use on T-Mobile and said the same thing.

I really enjoy my new Apple iPhone 4S and love that you now get a rock solid zippy experience with a ton of tweaking options, similar to the Android platform, and a platfom that is consistent like Windows Phone. The iPhone 4S hardware is awesome and with a camera that performs as well as anything on the market I recommend the iPhone 4S for many people. However, like Paul I still find I enjoy using Windows Phone 7.5 even more than my iPhone 4S. Windows Phone 7.5 is my primary phone on T-Mobile and the iPhone 4S is my primary on Verizon and there is nothing I see from Android that will knock either one of those out. I am enjoying the Nokia N9, but with a dead end software platform that is a tweakers device and not for the masses. I cannot wait to see what Nokia announces next week at Nokia World, I will be there covering the event, and hope to soon replace my aging HTC HD7 and Dell Venue Pro.

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Matthew Miller

Matthew Miller started using a mobile devices in 1997 and has been writing news, reviews, and opinion pieces ever since. He is a co-host with GigaOM's Kevin Tofel on the MobileTechRoundup podcast and an author of three Wiley Companion series books. Matthew started using mobile devices with a US Robotics Pilot 1000 and has owned over 125 different devices running Palm, Linux, Symbian, Newton, BlackBerry, iOS, Android, webOS, Windows Mobile, and Windows Phone operating systems. His current collection includes an HTC Radar 4G, Dell Venue Pro, Apple iPad 2, HTC Flyer, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Nokia N9, Apple iPhone 4S, MacBook Pro, and many more, along with tons of accessories and classic devices like the Apple Newton MessagePad 2100 and Sony CLIE UX50. Matthew can be found on various discussion forums under the user name of "palmsolo".
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RE: After the iPhone 4S, Windows Phone 7.5 still feels right
b3pp13 2nd Dec
Just last week I traded in my Mango Nokia for an iPhone 4S. And boy am I glad again wink
Argh, I hate to be the grammar Nazi, but your camera performs as "well" as anything on the market.
... their Windows Phone 7 approach. They went the Apple way, so the quality is there.

The problem for them is that since their WP7 platform is conceptually similar (I do not mean UI, which is different) to iOS, to gain mass marketshare Microsoft has to have some significant software/hardware advantage over iOS. Because people who want this type of integrated, consistent UI platform already have iOS for this.

WP7 does not really much compete with Android, since the latter is conceptually different (from both WP7/iOS), offering great flexibility and customization, but lacking in UI consistency, integration, solidness. There are a lot of people who prefer this geeky approach, sacrificing quality of their day-to-day experience with OS and applications. These people are not usually interested in WP7/iOS platforms since these can not offer the goods they need, so no real competition here.

However, Nokia and some other manufactures may storm mass-market with devices for common people, who are not "smartphone-conscious". Many Android huge sales are done this way -- people are buying cheap devices with big screen which is useful to look photos on it, and they do not really care which OS is installed there.

This way Microsoft can gain its market share quite quickly -- almost as quickly as Android did.
@DeRSSS
"Because people who want this type of integrated, consistent UI platform already have iOS for this."

Exactly right. There is absolutely no incentive to go from iOS to WP7 because iOS has the best, most powerful ecosystem in the world.

This is a sick market. We all lose.
@toddybottom This is true for now, but lets not forget that windows 8 with the live tiles concept is coming, and the ecosystem along with Xbox is becoming a reality. It's not difficult to see that all will become one, and one will be the extension of other. It was already announced that windows 7.5 apps will work on windows 8. As a developer after seeing what I saw in the developer tools man, Microsoft will rock years to come.
@toddybottom Right now, Microsoft is not trying to convert iPhone user in the masses. Their focus is first time smart phone buys with an emphasis on women and youth. Only around 30% of the US wireless market own smart phones.
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symbolset 18th Oct
@DeRSSS WP7's market share isn't going anywhere until they fix the Mango bug batch.

By then we'll probably have W8, and a fresh batch of bugs. This one is over.
@symbolset
I have not experienced any of the mentioned bugs.
@symbolset Using Mango for a few days now and haven't noticed any of these bugs. Probably some publicity paid article by google or apple, or maybe some specific devices are affected, remember that there are millions of windows phone 7 out there (not enough). I am sure microsoft and htc will resolve it, end of the day there is a backup so anyone can go back to their last version until sorted out.
Could you explain in greater depth what you or Paul meant by the following line.

Windows Phone 7.5 does an excellent job with service integration while Apple forces you into the idea of working with specific apps, such as separate Facebook and Twitter apps.

Apple's iOS 5 has tight integration with Twitter and now FaceBook has released a native iOS 5 app. What Win 7.5 service advantage are you referring to?
I have to admit, I struggle with the claim that iOS 5 has tight twitter integration. As far as I can tell, the integration is on 2 levels. At the OS level, you can store your twitter account information so you don't need to enter it again in every single app (note the word- app). However, the OS itself does not give you any access to twitter. All access to twitter is performed through apps (note the word- app). Even the twitter notifications I get in the notification center are not from iOS 5, they are from the twitter app (note the word- app) that Apple suggested I download when I entered my twitter credentials in the system settings. Apple has updated some of its apps (note the word- app) so you can tweet from them. Of course, this is nothing new for the iOS platform since many apps (note the word- app) have given the user the ability to tweet from them. "now FaceBook has released a native iOS 5 app" Note the word- app. Please don't mistake this post as suggesting that the WP7 way is better. It clearly isn't since sales numbers prove that WP7 cannot compete. However, there is no doubt that the approach MS took with WP7 is less app centric than the approach Apple took with iOS. This "tight" integration with twitter can only be leveraged through the use of apps in iOS 5. Again, this isn't a bad thing but hopefully that answers your question- "What Win 7.5 service advantage are you referring to?"
@toddybottom

Thanks.
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Messaging and status updates are couple examples
palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller) 18th Oct
@kenosha7777 Messaging in WP 7.5 includes text messaging, Windows Live, and Facebook Chat so conversations work across services. I know iMessage is working to do this, but still not as open yet. Status updates include Windows Live and Facebook on WP7.5 so you see your friends and family updates without having to go into apps. You think more about people rather than apps in WP7.5. It is more experience/task focused (what do you want to do?) rather than what app do I open for this or that?
@palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller)

Thanks, that makes sense. The Metro UI on Win 7.5 phones is a nice concept (I've gone on record as endorsing this interface for both phones and tablets.)

But with push notifications (for FaceBook and the like) and, as you mentioned, iMessage and FaceTime, the end results between the two platforms (regarding social interactions) are very, very close.
@palmsolo (aka Matthew Miller)

Also include Twitter and LinkedIn integration to that list. No doubt Skype will come aswell.

The point is, you don't need a separate app for all of those services like on iOS - Instead they are aggregated within the OS' Peoples Hub.
Glowing review of Titan on Engadget...yes...pro-Apple Engadget.
Microsoft has gotten all the little stuff SO right.
I`m switching to Mango , baby !
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RE: After the iPhone 4S, Windows Phone 7.5 still feels right
Return_of_the_jedi Updated - 18th Oct
@Bufbarnaby
I`m switching to Mango , baby !

Don't forget your bluetooth keyboard. You're going to need it.
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@Return_of_the_jedi
You are supporting my claim that there is no good competition in this market. Consumers lack a real choice. They can have the wonderful iOS 5 or they can have an OS that can't even get the keyboard right. This isn't real choice. This is a sick market. We all lose.
@Return_of_the_jedi - Yeah, reminds me of the problems people were having updaing to iOS 5. The keyboard on my Windows Phone has never disappeared but then again, the problem is isolated to particular manufacturers.
I have been with WP7 since it's launch and what frustrates me is the bias against the platform. In most of the tech blogs I read, when comparisons are done, it is often between the iPhone, Android, and Blackberry. Not even a mention of WP7 devices.

Yes, it's cool to see WP7 devices used on TV shows, which can only help give more exposure to the platform. I just hope that the hardware manufacturers HTC, Samsung and Nokia put more money into promoting and designing better, eye-catching and practical devices.

All the partners in the WP7 ecosystem have to be "all in" or else they can never truly compete against iPhone and Android.
@ITdudeMTL
i agree, but at the same time i don't.
Recently there has been talk about how money is being set aside for marketing and that Microsoft is giving some to manufacturers, yesterday i was reading about HTC promoting their Titan and Radar devices in Europe. Hopefully we'll see more of this.
@ITdudeMTL And therein lies the problem. Only one OEM partner of the WP7 ecosystem will be "all in" and that's NOKIA. The rest make tons of cash peddling Android devices that sell significantly better than their WP counterparts.

The only non-NOKIA OEM who seems to care about continually offering newer WP devices is HTC. Samsung and LG are pretty silent about WP.

The other problem is one gets the feeling that even Microsoft isn't "all in" on WP. Where's the marketing and advertising? TV is bombarded with Apple and Android ads; when is the last time you saw a Windows Phone ad?

Even with Mango, I've given up on the platform. The developer base just isn't there, the platform is already extremely fragmented (something Microsoft said they were going to prevent) by OEMs and hardware revisions, and Microsoft's update routine is still cumbersome at best or broken at worst. So Microsoft has concocted this concept that they can sell the phone based on flashiness and by peddling a belief that phones are "beyond Apps". The smartphone market is still App centric. The minute someone picks up WP7.5 and realizes it looks great BUT they can't do what they did on a year old Android or iPhone because an app doesn't exist for it yet, it's game over.

The sad reality of WP7 is it's no better than Kin. A key selling point, when they advertise it that is, has always been the social connectivity of the phone. Super social integration at the home page with native Twitter, Facebook and account merging, plus Xbox Live and Zune Social integration. WP7 is just a beefier Kin. With no marketing. No concise roadmap for success by Microsoft with OEMs and Microsoft struggling for hardware/software control.

NOKIA won't even save the platform from obscurity. NOKIA itself is a minor player in North America and WP7 is a minor OS player in North America. Combining the two isn't going to make them both somehow stronger. In Europe, where NOKIA shines, they have long pushed Symbian. If new customers in Europe are *FORCED* to go to WP7 if they want to stay with NOKIA or choose a different phone manufacturer, my bet is they will do the latter. No one likes to be FORCED into a platform.
@Captiosus I have had three android devices. I have flashed custom roms, tweaked the phone to my liking. But, honestly, I never found the platform very friendly.

I have been with WP7 for about six months. It is the first phone that I have been really happy with. I know that I will never, ever buy another android device.

That doesn't mean that android is bad. A lot of people like it. It means that WP7 is a different experience, and that some people like that experience. If you look at customer satisfaction surveys, most WP7 owners are pretty happy. I really don't get the hostility people have to this product. Diversity is a good thing.
@Captiosus Another issue plaguing WP is the amount of misinformation that exists. For example... your post. No developer base? Fragmented platform? Cumbersome update process?

Please provide sources, numbers, and/or stats to back up your tales.

Developer base is over 50,000 and growing. The SDK has been DL'd nearly 2 million times.

Fragmentation? All current phones are being updated, all apps work on all phones, the UI and UX are consistent across every WP device. Period.

Cumbersome updates? Mango, in less than a month's time, is rolling out to 100% of WP devices with relatively no issues. Apple is the only other platofrm that can boasts such a claim.

So, you giving up on the platform is probably a good thing for those of us who enjoy it and are sticking with it. That means you won't continue to misinform people about WP. Wait. Who am I kidding? You probably will. C'est la vie.
@Captiosus I think your reply is totally misinformed and you have never experienced a WP device. Fragmentation, cumbersome updates, are you sure you are talking about WP and not about Android?
Mango phones are going to sell very well. Some people buy an Opel even if Toyota has a similar car. And vice versa. No big deal.
Some people buy Toyota and some buy Opel. Big deal. Windows 7.5 is going to be great. Main challenge is zero brand in the mobile world, but I believe Nokia has that, and hence ... What I am saying, there is now so much convergence that people are going to be comparing very similar offerings, and then it's down to price, cool-factor, availability ... not techie-stuff.
As much as I love the interface on my Focus, I keep going back to my iPhone.
The real problem is just, well... doing things. While there is tight integration on WP7 with Facebook and Twitter, my day is made up of a lot more than updating my status.
I take photos, update meetings, show portfolio images, post to my site with squarespace, track models in flight, create the occasional painting and other miscellaneous business tasks. WP7 is just not up to this. I have tried practically every app I can get my hands on and all that happens is I get frustrated and end upp going back to my iPhone.
@Anim8me2
I think you may want to try the Mango updated version. It has improved integration to where you do not need a second app to do all those things. It also has check-in built right in as well. Yeah the apps are limited compared to iOS, but those apps work just the same in WP7 and will see more apps in time. I use the iOS interface at work and it seems like the old style interface compared to WP7. Android and iOS are duking it out while WP7 is changing the game. Get Mango!
@OhTheHumanity "and will see more apps in time"

Been hearing this for a year and it's still not true. I'm still waiting for a quality all-in-one IM program for WP. Despite what Microsoft may think, not EVERYONE uses Windows Live Messenger.

How can I possibly recommend someone buy a device based on what it MIGHT do in weeks/months/years when other products can ALREADY do these things NOW?

To say that apps that are available for both work the same is also disingenuous. One example: Tune In Radio. Works like a champion on Android with minimal loading and lag. On my LG Quantum, using the same WiFi connection, it takes two minutes or more to connect to the same stream (ESPN Radio), constantly drops connection and has to reestablish it, and often hard locks the phone, even after several app updates.

I'm sorry, but I can't recommend WP to anyone. It's too far behind the curve. The phones were outdated from the start and the OS is trying to play 3 year catch up, and not doing a good job of it. Android and iOS may be less flashy but you can get more done with either.
@Captiosus I have TuneIn radio and it works like a charm. I too listen to ESPN radio 103.3 Dallas as well as other stations. I listen while doing other things on my phone or while out and about or at work and the only time it ever drops is when I'm off of wifi and using 3G and hit a dead area.

Better check your wireless router.
APPLE FOLLOWERS FELL BEFORE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WATCH THE MICROSOFT JUGGERNAUT COMING WITH BIGGER AND BETTER GUNS....YEEEE HA!
@joriginaloak Funny!! Are you here all week?
Apple is the faux wood paneling, faux brushed metal, faux jelly button OS...
Leaves the door open for WP OS
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ShockMe 19th Oct
@Bufbarnaby
...the faux leather. I don't mind the skeuomorphic stuff as long as it preforms like the imitated object and provides a small level of haptic feedback.

Oh and by the way the jelly bean thing did not make the transition to Mac OS X Lion.

I love my new iPhone 4S and Siri and I'm excited by the new features in both WP7.5 and Ice Cream Sandwich. Better competitors means better iPhones.

I wish someone could explain to me why my 4G LTEis slower this AM than my iPhone's 3G connection. I've never gone below 3Mbps on LTE before but am limping by on 1Mbps while my iPhone is blowing by at 3Mbps for the first time ever. Radio waves are simply crazy.
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I like Metro...
ShockMe 19th Oct
And I find the the hub concept novel and interesting. I'm looking for MS to come out with all guns blazing when they ship WP8. Hopefully by that time they can make more useful customer defined hubs.

I'm very pleased with Microsoft's recent direction and I hope they achieve a decent marketshare after their recent losses in order to bring these ideas into the competition.

I'll be on iOS to see what happens with the Siri AI which is another concept I'd like to see move forward.
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Mango has brought WP7 to the Masses
SmoothDouglas Updated - 19th Oct
I've had an HTC Trophy from Day One. I really like the interface and it has served it's purpose, but was behind Andorid and iOS. Mango really did a great job of getting Mango on Par and even exceeding the iPhone. It's got plenty of Apps for me (and I consider myself an above average user). Normal users will more than likely be extremely satisfied with the marketplace which keep growing steadily.

I think it really comes down to two things a stable, consistent, fresh interface and a viable ecosystem. I believe WP7 gets A's for the stable, fresh and consistent interface and a B+ for ecosystem. I'd give the iPhone a B+ for interface (the icons are getting OLD news) and an A for the ecosystem.

I think it all comes down to what a person likes. I say Tomatoe and you say Tomato.
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stasymiller 21st Oct
hmmm...
btw, where is the ZDNet app for Windows Phone? It seems to be missing. I think you should look into that......
I think many users here on this forum posting havent even used or tried a WP7 right? The many questions are "What Win service advantages are people referring to" is quite simple.

Apple iOS requires that you must open an app outside of the ios in order to gain access to that specific service. For example: The facebook app is a shortcut & link to the web service and will be opened and run outside of the iOS. It runs in the background with no communication to or from the ios. Its a separated programme that does not integrate with your contacts, pictures, information e.t.c. Its a weblink with a different skin, the same as just opening safari and going direct to the mobile web version. Just skinned differently!
WP7 takes a completely different approach weather it is good or bad is irrelevant, the point is it syncs throughout your whole device pulling together all pics, people, contact, info, updates e.t.c.

WP7 was designed to pull all services together into one specific place/hub instead of having to switch back/forth between apps or logging in/logging out. For some, there is no beating iOS, for others its technology moving forward and giving us everything in one place. Why keep a seperate draw at home for knife's and forks? Keep em in one place, its quicker and more convenient to search and use.
Apple has a dedicated store the istore for its developers to sell their apps, it is thru these apps that apple is popular because developers also love coding for apple. Same is true for andriod. When it comes to Microsoft, they are missing this thing, in this page we can see a facebook, twitter, youtube, andriod, iphone plugin, BUT where is the MS mobile (Win 7.5 plugin) ?
Microsoft should value themselves as the best is what I feel, than apple or andriod, then they will think of themselves and can excel
In this page I see : Be a fan on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
Watch us on YouTube
Download our Android app
Download our iPhone app

where is the MS Mobile (Win 7.5 extension) to subscribe or like ??? Is Microsoft missing something ?
Just last week I traded in my Mango Nokia for an iPhone 4S. And boy am I glad again wink

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