Does Microsoft thinking copying the 2007 iPhone is a good idea?

Does Microsoft thinking copying the 2007 iPhone is a good idea?

Summary: We are hearing more details about Windows Phone 7 Series from the MIX10 event in Vegas, but some of what we are hearing leaves us wondering why Microsoft is taking smartphone back a couple of years this late in the game.

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We were expecting to hear a lot about Windows Phone 7 Series at MIX10 in Vegas this week and while there has been some interesting news for developers, end users and enthusiasts are seeing their excitement for the late 2010 devices fad a bit as well. First, we heard that multitasking would not be supported at first and now we hear that copy and paste will also be missing. Did Microsoft lock their people in a room with an original 2007-era iPhone and tell them to copy it? Didn't they see that even Apple added copy and paste to the iPhone after ever other smartphone OS has had this capability? I have to admit there are some very cool aspects of WP7 and I will probably buy one later this year, but I am pretty blown away by how far away from their core existing functionality they seem to be getting. I guess they can't riff on Apple anymore as these things are harder than they thought huh? As my buddy Rene asked on Twitter, is a Windows Phone 7 Series device even a smartphone anymore?

Another item that Dieter picked up from sessions today was that Silverlight won't be in the web browser, Internet Explorer, so you won't be able to enjoy Silverlight content from within the web browser even though Silverlight is integrated all over this new operating system. I did like the demo of playing games on your Xbox 360, PC, and WP7 series device seamlessly, but it is going to take more than gaming to impress me. Microsoft also seems to be abandoning the enterprise market with these first WP7 devices and it will be interesting if there are enough consumers willing to leave the iPhone, Android, or webOS operating systems.

Topics: Smartphones, Hardware, iPhone, Microsoft, Mobility, Operating Systems, Software, Software Development

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  • WP7S turning into a farce

    ?No copy / paste.
    ?No multi-tasking.
    ?No enterprise upgrade path (except to Android)
    ?No WebKit browser (for web apps)
    ?No browser Silverlight (so all apps must go via MS store)
    ?No side-loading of apps (Ballmer must approve all apps on WP7S)
    Vbitrate
    • Cue the double standards

      Funny thing is that your list applies to the 2007
      and 2008 iPhone and Apple apologists tripped all
      over themselves making excuses for why none of
      these are actually important. Watch those same
      people now suggest that these are show stoppers.

      Cue the double standards...
      NonZealot
      • RE: Cue the double standards

        But then it was 2007, now it is 2010.

        If you try to catch up, you should be faster, instead of moving at exactly the same speed.

        Why would anyone want a WP7S phone when it is exactly the same crap as the iPhone?!

        Heck, it is even worse, because the iPhone at least has c&p now, and it has lots of (good) apps (among all the crappy ones). WP7S has none and if they want to catch up with Apple's huge lead there, they must provide reasons for people to help them catch up (i.e. buy their phones so that developers find it paying to make apps for them).

        I have always bashed the iPhone for not having basic features. But in 2010, this is even more ridiculous than it was in 2007.
        drphysx
        • But iPhone was behind in 2007

          iPhone couldn't copy and paste, had no native
          apps, had no multi-tasking, and later forced
          you to purchase all apps through the app store
          in 2007 while WM had none of those limitations.
          None of those were important in 2007. Now that
          the situations are reversed and Apple has some
          of these features and WM will have none of
          them, why are they important in 2010? Have the
          reasons [b]behind[/b] not needing copy and
          paste changed? The short answer is: yes and the
          reason is: because Apple has it and there is no
          longer any need to make up apologies for why
          Apple doesn't have it.

          Cue the double standards...
          NonZealot
          • Excellent point

            it looks as though the buying public doesn't care all that much for cut and paste, otherwise they wouldn't have boaught all those phones that didn't cut and paste.

            I have WM phone, and I don't even use cut and paste features, so how would I even notice?
            John Zern
          • Sorry, but... you seem retarded.

            Just because YOU don't use it, that doesn't mean that nobody uses it.

            To think so is moronic.

            And of course, in reality, lots of people use it. Otherwise Apple would not have added it into their iPhone, cause Apple always are the first to leave out things they consider "unnecessary". Copy/Paste is not among them obviously.
            drphysx
          • Cut and Paste

            Really, so you never move icons around, never move a cab file to another folder, never edit a text message? never copy a url from your browser, and paste it into a message?
            A. Noid
          • RE: But iPhone was behind in 2007

            There has NEVER EVER been an excuse for the lack of copy&paste.

            I'm just saying that in 2010, it is even more ridiculous than it was in 2007.

            Only stupid Apple fanboys came up with bullshit like "nobody needs it" and then, when Apple added it, all of a sudden, they praised them for adding it in.

            And additionally, Apple has a huge lead now, because MS started from scratch, and in order to catch up, MS needs advantages. Throwing away all the advantages they had before won't help them at all.
            drphysx
          • I never made excuses in 2007....

            for the iPhones' lack of C&P. But as pointed out that was way back in 2007. Apple's first Smart Phone in the market, all features were not yet implemented. Many like myself knew they would get around to it which they did (and now it's prob the best C&P on any device).

            Microsoft with WinMo offered copy and paste to its users before 2007 and is not "not" implementing it in 2010, saying it's not important anymore!? In 2010? Looks like their famous Focus Group strikes again!

            Now when are you going to lash out at those Windows users saying it's not important? Like you did those few iPhone users back in 2007?


            Cue the double standards...
            dave95.
          • And this is 2010!

            NT
            webmaster@...
      • Are you serious?!

        They only double standards exhibited here are yours you hypocrite. Every post
        of yours related to the iPhone that I have endured, [i]you[/i] have mocked these
        omissions, at the same time crowing about how much better and how further
        advanced Windows Mobile was and on occasion speculated how much better
        WinPhone 7 was going to be. You are such a blinkered and hypocritical
        fanboy that it has gotten beyond sad--it's self parody now!
        webmaster@...
      • See you've been released

        from your padded cell for the day and the meds have worn off.

        Ironic that you keep using your copy & paste "double standard" shtick to defend MS's lack of copy & paste.
        MacCanuck
        • Links please!!!

          [i]Ironic that you keep using your copy & paste
          "double standard" shtick to defend MS's lack of
          copy & paste.[/i]

          Where have I defended the lack of copy & paste?
          Hint: I haven't. I am commenting, with a great
          deal of amusement, on the fact that all you
          people who apologized for the lack of copy and
          paste in the iPhone by saying it was no big
          deal and that they never used it anyway, are
          now saying that the lack of copy and paste is a
          show stopper. This pattern repeats itself time
          and time again:
          1. MS releases a feature rich product.
          2. Apple releases a crippled product 5 years
          later.
          3. Apple apologists claim the features Apple
          left out aren't important.
          4. Apple releases a new version with the
          feature.
          5. Apple apologists claim that Apple product is
          fantastic now that it includes said feature.

          What we've never seen before is:
          6. MS releases a new version without the
          feature.
          7. Apple apologists claim that MS product now
          sucks because it lacks the feature that they
          apologized for in step 3.

          I think WM7 is fantastic, not because I like
          the fact that it is missing some fairly basic
          functionality, but because it makes all you
          Apple apologists look like total idiots. :)
          NonZealot
    • Lucky for them you're allready a farce

      so you can give them some pointers! :)
      John Zern
      • Come, drop the insults, he made some good points. See if you can argue the

        good points of WinMo7.
        DonnieBoy
    • In any case, too little too late to stop the Android invasion or the

      continued success of the iPhone.
      DonnieBoy
      • At least I hope so...

        ... because Android is really MUCH better than this crap.

        (iPhone OS is not better, but they have the AppStore advantage)
        drphysx
  • RE: Does Microsoft thinking copying the 2007 iPhone is a good idea?

    But then it was 2007, now it is 2010.

    If you try to catch up, you should be faster, instead of moving at exactly the same speed.

    Why would anyone want a WP7S phone when it is exactly the same crap as the iPhone?!

    Heck, it is even worse, because the iPhone at least has c&p now, and it has lots of (good) apps (among all the crappy ones). WP7S has none and if they want to catch up with Apple's huge lead there, they must provide reasons for people to help them catch up (i.e. buy their phones so that developers find it paying to make apps for them).

    I have always bashed the iPhone for not having basic features. But in 2010, this is even more ridiculous than it was in 2007.
    drphysx
  • writing on the wall

    everyone could see in 2007 where the smartphone market is heading
    (besides matthew and poster "dysfunctional" here in the comments
    section) and now even microsoft gets it (though obviously much too late).

    and by the way, there are no customers on webOS, as much you want it
    to be, it is not the case.
    bannedfromzdnetagain
    • Is it "much too late"?

      It was "much too late" until Windows 7 sales bypassed all versions of OSX combined.

      It was "much too late" for their server market untill the numbers show Windows server to be the top used OS.

      It was "much too late" for Sharepoint, but its a billion dollar market.

      It was "much too late" for XBox untill it just became the top selling gaming console

      So why is it "much too late" for Windows mobile 7?
      John Zern