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End of the line for my T-Mobile HD2, I just can't take Windows Mobile anymore

By | April 29, 2010, 6:10pm PDT

Summary: I was enthusiastic about the launch of the T-Mobile HTC HD2 and at first most people will be impressed and awed by the device and experience. However, the device actually served to make me realize it is time to stop fighting and give up on Windows Mobile.

For several years I have been a fan of the Windows Mobile platform, even when others told me to give it up and go with a more modern operating system. I was pretty lucky to have fairly stable devices and thought the T-Mobile HTC HD2 would be the pinnacle of my Windows Mobile usage with an amazing set of specifications. After several long years, I am now at the point that I am done with Windows Mobile until I see what Windows Phone 7 presents. What caused me to give up now? You may not believe this, but it actually was the T-Mobile HD2. I was quite excited when I was able to pick up an HD2 at the new subscriber price of $200 last month and for the first couple of weeks I was overcome by the fantastic 4.3 inch high resolution capacitive display and hardware. However, I have spent the last 10 days or so in near constant frustration every time I tried using the HD2 and I am just tired of the lock screen freezes, scattered operating system menus and pieces, inconsistent media experiences, limited 3rd party application availability, and more.

The T-Mobile HD2 seems to work best if you do not load up any 3rd party applications and keep it in stock configuration, but even then over time the device starts to drag and has many of these issues I listed below. There was quite a bit of excitement in the store on launch day and T-Mobile has been selling out regularly, but I am now very interested in seeing how many people returned their devices in sheer frustration.

Exchange experience

One of the main reasons I kept using a Windows Mobile device was the top notch Exchange support, but as I mentioned in my recent HTC Incredible post HTC has provided an Exchange experience with Sense 2.5 that meets 98% of my Exchange needs and thus I no longer need to use Windows Mobile for this functionality. Actually, the experience on Android is more user friendly and presents my data in a better format than on Windows Mobile.

Is it cold in here or what?

At least once over the last two weeks when I picked up the HD2 to use it I would press the power button and get to the lock screen only to discover I could not unlock the device (with a slide left or right). I had to pop the battery out to reset it and in today’s day and age you should not have to do this with a modern high end smartphone.

I also have experienced regular freezes after launching an application as the device just sits there with the WM colors popping on the screen. I don’t blame Microsoft either for all these freezes as the version of Sense on the HD2 seemed to consume way too many resources and I could sometimes get to the Start/application launcher screen without getting back out to the Sense/Today screen tabbed interface. Again, how in the world can a 1GHz Snapdragon processor device perform this poorly?

WM or HTC apps, who knows?

Even though HTC has done an admirable job of hiding Windows Mobile 6.5 (not even the latest version) on the HD2 there still exists several areas where menus and drop downs are barely usable with a capacitive display (such as in the time format selector). You will also find several HTC utilities that try to serve as the default programs and for the most part they are decent (Contacts, Calendar ), but the default Windows Mobile ones are still sprinkled throughout the device as well.

Speaking of sprinkled throughout, the Start page/launcher is a mess with some apps and utilities embedded in non-customizable folders and others placed on the main page. You can only move them up and down the page and that is it. I thought I would be smart and go into the File Explorer to move shortcuts around and create custom folders, but then I discovered in many cases that I then had multiple shortcuts in the Start page making things even messier than they already were.

You mean you don’t want three different video player experiences?

The T-Mobile HD2 comes loaded with MobiTV with the intention that you can stream TV channels and episodes for a monthly subscription fee. As you dive into the application you will see it is quite a mess and it is virtually impossible to find any full length shows and are instead presented with several 3-5 minute clips. If you find something to watch and start watching it then you better not answer a call or go anywhere else because when you come back you have to start all over at the beginning again. It was painful to use and I would never recommend a subscription with this current version.

I was pretty excited when I heard about BlockBuster being on the HD2 and rented The Blind Side to test out the experience. It was quick and easy to use on the device, but as soon as you start playing the movie you see Windows Media Player Mobile start up and that is the video player used due to the DRM requirement. Windows Media Player Mobile is ancient and I personally cannot stand it as a media player. The movie played decently with only an occasional lag in play, after making sure no other applications were running with the Task Manager.

HTC also provides a media player that is used for the two free Transformer movies. It is a basic player, but I honestly found it to be an enjoyable experience with great playback of the movies. You may also have movies that you converted to play on the HD2 and wish to view them with the HD2 player. You can do this, but it is not a straight forward process and you have to go through several layers of the file explorer in the Photos and Videos tab as I detailed here. Why couldn’t we just have a movie player tab right in Sense on the Today screen interface?

Hello, are there any developers in here?

Windows Marketplace for Mobile launched in October 2009 and by my count on the site today there are 924 applications available (20 of these are books and 308 are games). This is pretty pathetic for an operating system that has been available for years. I know there are more applications available than this that can be purchased outside the Marketplace, but if you compare the Marketplace to other mobile operating system stores the Windows Marketplace falls well below all the rest and has the second highest average price. There are a few good applications, but honestly many cannot compete with the high quality apps we see on the Apple iPhone, Palm webOS, or Google Android platforms and after using apps on these the platforms Windows Mobile apps seem even more lame.

I was able to find many of the applications I enjoy using so I wasn’t that concerned about the limited application availability, but the longer you use a platform the more limited it starts to feel. You also realize that there is not enough value in many of these applications to justify the premium price.

Will I miss anything?

I wanted to try out the free in-flight WiFi service, but I fly mostly to Alaska and there are no planes with support for the network so it is not practical to keep the device for that. The big screen is fantastic for GPS navigation with CoPilot Live 8, but I can run CoPilot on Android devices and Google Maps Navigation is very good. The large screen plays movies pretty well and movie watching was nice, but it is easier to get video content onto devices like the iPhone, iPad, and Zune. The Barnes & Noble eReader app was nice to have as well, but not necessary when I have so many other ways to enjoy books on the go.

I am past the return period and there are no other options other than to sell my HD2 so I will be putting it up on Craigslist soon. I could keep it and try out some experimental ROMs on the device, but I am pleased with my Palm Pre Plus and Google Nexus One so I won’t spend any more time messing around with the device and let someone else try to make it work for them. I am also giving up on Windows Mobile for the next several months and will wait to see if Microsoft can win me back with Windows Phone 7 devices.

If you are on T-Mobile and are looking for a good high end smartphone, then I recommend you take a look at a device like the Google Nexus One before the HD2.

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Matthew is a professional naval architect by day and a mobile gadget freak at all other times. He purchases his own devices and then sells them on eBay or Craigslist to buy more. Many other devices are sent for review on a 30-day loaner basis and then returned to the carrier or manufacturer. If any are provided as “long term loaner units” this will be clearly disclosed in his reviews.

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Matthew Miller

Matthew Miller started using a mobile devices in 1997 and has been writing news, reviews, and opinion pieces ever since. He is a co-host with GigaOM's Kevin Tofel on the MobileTechRoundup podcast and an author of three Wiley Companion series books. Matthew started using mobile devices with a US Robotics Pilot 1000 and has owned over 125 different devices running Palm, Linux, Symbian, Newton, BlackBerry, iOS, Android, webOS, Windows Mobile, and Windows Phone operating systems. His current collection includes an HTC Radar 4G, Dell Venue Pro, Apple iPad 2, HTC Flyer, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Nokia N9, Apple iPhone 4S, MacBook Pro, and many more, along with tons of accessories and classic devices like the Apple Newton MessagePad 2100 and Sony CLIE UX50. Matthew can be found on various discussion forums under the user name of "palmsolo".
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RE: End of the line for my T-Mobile HD2, I just can't take Windows Mobile anymore
zephr5 14th Mar 2011
I first have to say that the op is right. The hd2 stock does suck BUT. With XDA, hspl2, Magldr,dual boot Windows phone 7 and android 2.3.3. Gingerbread running of SD card this is truly the BEST phone ever!
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I found that once
GuidingLight 29th Apr 2010
I disabled the Samsung apps on my WM phone, and used the WM interface, it just worked better. I also use the WM media player and have no complaints.

Apps, yes, planty of them outside the store, which is why I went with the WM phone, (I had the apps I wanted from before) but agreed, not many apps in the apps store, though that does make sense as it will be discontinued in something like 5 months.

As a developer, I would not waste time with WM6 when there is WMP 7 on the horizon, a more capable OS from what I have read.
It gets worse. You can't use the HD2 as a business phone. Most business apps don't work on the capacitive screen. Even Microsoft Excel is unusable, as you can't swipe a row of cells (on the HD2, the page scrolls instead). When Windows Phone 7 arrives, the situation will get even worse. That doesn't allow Copy & Paste, which will make you want to smash your Windows Phone on the ground. Please, do yourself a favor, and get an Android phone (like Mathew suggests).
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"get an Android phone"
LBiege 29th Apr 2010
You mean the Android phone that doesn't run Excel at all?? If I'd throw a WinMo away over bad Excel experience, wouldn't I wanna take a flamethrower to Google for not even running Excel in there at all?

LOL, nice FUD try.
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Have you heard of Documents To Go?
ckl_88 30th Apr 2010
NT
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Unlikely
rahbm 30th Apr 2010
He is, like all MS trolls, deaf to the idea of using anything other than an
MS product.
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HaHaHa... you are so dumb you don't even realise it. Thanks for brightening up my day nice'n'early though.

Next time try responding with something positive and related to the story.

I like the look of the Android personally, and I like a keyboard, but then I like some Apple apps. Sadly the choices are great as are the costs and risks. Compromises have to be made in user requirements.... maybe excel in the writers case. I'm in the market and can't decide yet. Your comment doesn't help in the least.
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Time to move on from "Excel".
Does OpenOffice run on Android yet?
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WARNING: Avoid all Market Analyst posts like the Plague!
GuidingLight Updated - 29th Apr 2010
Because after reading his drivel, you will feel the need to bash your own head against the ground to get his stench off!

Quite interesting that for someone who has never used or even touched a Microsoft product to have so much "knowledge", and of course it is all bad.

Quite interesting indeed.......

If the cooked ROM "support" wasnt available I might be in the same boat. I expected to flash a ROM at some point but not on the 2nd day owning my HD2! Been more then happy ever since.
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What He Said
voyager529 6th May 2010
Stock ROMs for WinMo are terrible metrics of how good a phone is, Matt. Check out the list of ROMs here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534

I personally prefer the Cell ROM series, but I know that EnergyROM is very popular, along with a few others.

As far as the WinMo Marketplace, don't forget that Handango has been doing it longer than even Apple, and they have a catalog of apps specific to the HD2:

http://www.handango.com/catalog/SoftwareCatalog.jsp?storeId=2218&deviceId=2276&platformId=30&categoryId=0

Not exactly the 150,000 apps that the iPhone can boast, but 5,500 isn't a number to sneeze at, either. Don't forget, of course, that there's always Google and Softpedia. Even the xda-developers site has links to a couple hundred programs for the HD2. There's also oMarket (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/omarket/)...yes, an application repository COMPETING with WinMo's Marketplace.

Does WinMo require more work than an iPhone or Android to get exactly how you want it? I guess you can argue that (though running a HardSPL and a ROM installer are Installshield simple). Is it worth it? As a VERY happy owner of a Touch Pro2, I'll give an emphatic 'yes'.

Joey
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HD2 SPB Mobile Shell = great
Patanjali 29th Apr 2010
I had SPB Mobile Shell on my HD, and after trying the HTC Sense and WM6.5 shell on the HD2, I went back to SPB MS. Much wider and deeper finger friendliness.

The greatest thing about the HD2 is the WiFi router. It just works, and is so much simpler than Bluetooth to hook my laptop up to it. Also, I am not limited to 1Mbps up and down speeds.
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I'm happy with my Touch Pro 2, but it doesn't have the issues that the HD2 has.

My wife has the HD2 and there are some strange bugs in the stock ROM that my phone does not have. The issue with the capacitive touch screen not working well with older programs is really annoying too.

The HD2 has a slightly higher build of WinMo 6.5 than the TP2, and I know how to cook my own ROMs so I'm thinking about cooking her a custom ROM with the same build of Windows Mobile 6.5 than my TP2 has to see if the weird bugs might be related to the OS build.

I'm not thrilled about the direction Microsoft is taken Windows Mobile, so our next phones will most likely be Android phones. Or maybe Nokia phones that run Linux, like the N900.
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Nice crust, shame about the filling
meeware 30th Apr 2010
I'm about 24hrs into my HD2 experience and I am already seeing the frustrations you've mentioned. It seems that HTC have made a really quite nice but only partial shell underneath which lies a very patchy OS. The marketplace experience is appalling- software that is there is unfindable, and the installation crashes out part way through requiring a hard reboot and an orphanned application, unmanageable via any interface. In fact overall the interface is a trainwreck of inconsistent antipatterns- with just enough realy rather lovely bits to tease you in. Unfortunately this is a work phone supplied by my employer so I'll have to soldier on, but it will e with gritted teeth at the very least!
I agree with your frustrations, but the HD2 is the best replacement I've found for my hx4700 PDA (I've been looking for over 2 years), so I'm going to keep it. Also, my wife has a android phone, and that isn't all a bed of roses either (although it's really hard to keep the jealousy down over the app store experience.)
I find my HTC HD2 a nice addition to my phone collection .. persoally mine has 3 front pages each consisting of 25 app placements..which i still haven`t filled after 3 months of use...for those interested...there are a cpl of links below to help you get more from your handset!!

ALL things HTC...... http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=531

They have a section for US T-Mobile users also!!
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Free Windows Mobile Apps
More than 6,700 free windows mobile games, tools and themes. Download software for HTC Touch Diamond / Pro / HD / Fuze, Samsung Omnia and other smartphones.

http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-file.html

Hope some of you find what you want here...AS for windows Marketplace..NAH NO TY!!
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Go BlackBerry people!!
RCM_z 30th Apr 2010
I recently switched from WM to BB device and will probably never go back to WM! Ever!
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Funny, I came to opposite direction
toadlife 30th Apr 2010
Different strokes for different folks!
so sorry to hear that. But WinMo6 are never designed for capacitive touch screen. Hence its very frustrating to use sometimes. But to be fair,most of your frustration can be solved by doing some searching online. Especially about the list of shortcuts,there are just too many solutions for that! People at XDA-dev have all the things that you'll need to improve your experience.Using WinMo devices is never easy, coz in its bare setup, it suXks!! It need heavy customization, so its not for average consumer like you. Apple is the best bet for average Joes and Janes. But a WInMo device with Proper ROM and customizations can do crazy things that will put shame on Iphone and Ipad.

However, the truth remains,I tried but failed to install a couple of programs in my friend's HD2, everything just seems too small for my finger to touch and get registered. So, users will need lots of patience to search for programs made specially for HD2.But once you iron out all the wrinkles n kinks, it will be your best buddy. Anyway, If you run out of patience with WinMo, Android is your better choice.Having said that, Apple is still the best choice for non-enthusiast, average consumer, although abit boring.
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HD2 has serious issues - what a shame
johnfarhat@... Updated - 30th Apr 2010
This phone is great on paper but in real life...lacking so much! I purchased 6 of these devices on launch date (24 March 2010) and I can tell you the biggest problem that we are experiencing with the device is the dropping of internet connection. If you need a reliable internet connection for business (e-mail, etc...) forget this phone. HTC and T-Mobile USA have stated to me on the phone that they knew of this issue prior to launching the device on 24 March 2010, and they still don't have a fix for this problem. That is just silly! Now mind you that they have been swapping out the phones for us several times now with brand new devices, but still no joy! Out of the 6 original devices purchased, only 1 does not have this problem (nor the freezing screen issues).

As for the freezing of the device and the non responsive screens, they tell me that they are aware of those issues also and they are working on a fix that will deploy over the air. Come on!!! why not work all these issues out prior to releasing the phone??

But, if you are a long time user or WinMobile, you get used to a freeze here and there (I can live with that). And as for apps, hell, there are a ton all over the web...many of them are for free, they are just not organized in one centralized location as with Android and iPhone. I have never had a problem finding an app for what I needed to get done on any of my WinMo devices. But yes, if you want 300 different apps all doing the same thing and in a locked down environment, get an iPhone, WinMo will not be right for you.

I would get rid of our HD2 devices, but for now there is really nothing that I like better with regards to the hardware, and I really don't like the iPhone due to the limitations (no apps other than via app store, no tethering, no flash, no multi tasking, no swappable battery, no SDcard slot - all though it does come with plenty of memory on board, etc...). Also, I am no fan of what Windows Phone 7 is expected to be like. It appears that it will lose the multi tasking initially, no SDcard slot accessible by the owner, apps only from the app store, etc... Hmmmmmmmmmmm, sounds like the iPhone. I think I will pass on that also.

It really looks like Google's Android is going to be on our next phones. I am just buying time right now, as the Android OS matures and gets even better. So for now, HD2 gets to stay, but I think it is the last Windows Mobile phone we will own. It is a shame because I am so used to WinMo devices and there is so much you can do with this OS, just take a look at the work done by the people over at xda-developers and others. Amazing what you can do with a device running WinMo...I know I will get slammed by saying this, but WinMo on a device makes it a real work horse that can be used for limitless tasks and possibilities. From my experience (about 4 weeks using the iPhone) the iPhone is a nice device with some PDA capabilities, but not a device that I could use in my work or rely on for my changing needs...I would recommend the iPhone for college students, teenagers, not for the work place. Android on the other hand, if they include Office Mobile features and integration with Outlook etc...could become a great OS in my opinion.
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Sounds familiar
jpdemers@... 30th Apr 2010
"they are aware of those issues also and they are working on a fix" ... "you get used to a freeze here and there..."

It's called the "Windows experience."
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I know what you mean
johnfarhat@... Updated - 30th Apr 2010
Yeah, I have to agree with you, the "Windows Experience" is not all that great, lacks much to be desired. There is a ton of potential and if you are tech savvy, you can work around the OS to get what you want out of it (far more than any other OS currently on the market)...but heck, you do really need to do a lot of work to make it a great device.

I don't mind doing the work; I'm very used to the OS and know how to do it all very quickly. Also, since it truly is more capable than any other OS out there, you can make your device do amazing things. I don't even travel anymore with a laptop, no need with a WinMo device.

The other thing that is nice is tethering. My college aged newphew installed a tethering program on his iPhone, and Apple removed it remotely and now prevents him from even installing the app. I don't want anyone telling me what I can install or do with my device that I paid for. It's mine and I will do with it what I like, just like with my laptop. But hey, to each his own...not every device or OS is going to be right for everyone. You need to just determine what your needs are from your mobile device and then pick the device that best meets those needs.

But Apple is much better than WinMo when it comes to straight out of the box user experience...it is simple and it works because they control every aspect of the device and software. You are absolutely correct, WinMo experience should and could be better out of the box. You can make it great (the best experience in my opinion) yourself, if you know how and want to take the extra time to do the work on making it the way you want it.
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At the end of the day... technical specs are secondary... what really matters is the overall user experience, and the iPhone is way ahead of any other device on that area.
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Not So Sure About That....
johnfarhat@... 30th Apr 2010
While technical specs are not anything if they don't work, I would not say that the user experience is all that matters (albeit, very important). You can have a wonderful user experience with the iPhone (and I absolutely agree with you there, that the iPhone is the best at that out of the box), but if the device does not have the hardware/software to handle the task that you require, then what good is the User Experience?

I think the WinMo experience, once you configure and make changes to it, is far superior to the iPhone experience simply due to the fact that you can do so much more with a WinMo device than you can on an iPhone. But, if your needs are limited to web surfing, checking e-mail, texting, and playing music and games on the device, then yes the iPhone will be a much better choice with less setup time. As long as the Apple interface of ?one size fits all? is what you are looking for. Like pervious posters have stated here, WinMo is for a more tech savvy user that is willing to put in the time to customize and tailor the device to his/her personal needs (which could entail flashing the ROM and making registry edits ? this is not for the everyday casual user). Apple has a great product and a great interface; they truly helped bring in a ton of people to the smartphone era. But I still feel WinMo devices are true PocketPCs, not just smartphones. There is a difference.
I say you were dumb for buying it when you know the platform has a serious overhaul with Windows Mobile 7. Your credibility went down the tube.
SKYPE, ADOBE, HTC... the story of how to drive
customers away.

I bought HTC TP2 hoping to have a great experience but
within weeks of purchasing this phone Adobe STOPPED
there plans to complete a Windows Mobile Flash
Player... do you know how much content on the web is
flash based?

Skype stinks too. Within in a month of my purchasing
the HTC TP2, mainly because it has a WIFI connection
and would be wonderful for using Skype.... wellll just
like Adobe Skype STOPPED work and discontinued Skype
Mobile for Windows Mobile.

Skype's message was something like ... in order to make
your experience better we are stopping this product.
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Flash on mobile platforms is garbage
toadlife 30th Apr 2010
Flash is unworkable on mobile platforms because the processing power simply isn't there. If you don't like the TP2 or WinMo because there is no flash, you'll be disappointed when you move to a different phone platform and find that the experience is not even worth it.
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I'm now in the . . .
JLHenry Updated - 30th Apr 2010
process of converting my many, many, many, ebooks to epub format, so I can use them on my new iPod Touch.

I was using Mobipocket on Winmo (I've been using it since I first bought a handspring Visor, then moved to the Winmo platform).

'Course Stanza hasn't been updated in awhile, either. Hopefully, when the new 4.0 comes out, and iBooks is avaiable for my touch, I'll be able to import them that way. . .

And before you ask, I buy DRM-free, or I roll my own from Amateur fiction sites for my own reading pleasure . . .

I used to have all kinds of games, etc on my Axim X5A, then my ASUS, then the last one was my BlackJack II.

There isn't a benefit to owning one anymore.

Frankly, I'm replacing the BlackJack II (no way am I using the initials for the thing wink ), with a regular feature phone, and I'll just use my Touch for everything else.
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Opinions are getting old...
Narg 30th Apr 2010
These random opinions from ZDNet are getting old. Where did the real news and reviews go to?
Depends what you are talking about. I get far more functionality out of my HTC Diamond 2 with Nataly 4.3 ROM than I do with my Iphone. I consider my iphone to be a fashion accessory. When I go out tonight I will leave my Diamond 2 on the desk in favor on the iphone due to it's recognition and style. Come Monday when I actually need a functional tool, I'll swap sims again and put my Diamond2 in my pocket. From pocket VPN with Remote desktop to tethering without a hitch and can't forget absolutely vast software collection to keep me entertained during half day staff meetings, I love my winmo devices. I know the iphone can do VPN, but I have relax security so much on my Cisco VPN concentrators it isn't worth it. Also every RDP client I've tried for the iphone is terrible. The complete exchange integration is great, there is nothing on iphone that works as well.

I did try a GSM HD2 for a short while and wasn't impressed with the size or it's implementation of capacitive touch

For the average mindless lemming the Iphone is great though.

To each his own I suppose.
Great article. Food for thought as I am considering getting an HD2. It seems that the HD2 is not a good choice for someone who wants a phone that just works out of the box. There are other much better phones for that. If, however, you enjoy tweaking and problem solving it is not a bad choice, especially if you like windows mobile . There are plenty of people in the XDA developer forums who think it is a great phone for that reason. It was interesting to hear Matt's experience and views, but as I am sure he would agree his preferences and priorities are not everyone's. To state the blindingly obvious again for some of the hard-of-thinking egocentric commentators above, it all depends on personal preference. One man's meat is another man's poison.
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"Tweaking and Problem Solving" is a different thing than losing calls while you're away from home, away from your computer and source code and IDE.

Sorry, a phone which is sold to end customers for money, while suffering from a bug-riddled software/hardware stack which freezes frequently IS NOT a "personal preference".

It's in Alpha Test, not yet ready for Release. I can understand that you're having fun -- heck, I'm playing with the KDE stack on Symbian too (headed towards MeeGo). But it's not yet a phone for the marketplace, it's a "Development Platform".
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I could add comments about value of investing a lot of effort into "tweaking and problem solving" on the geriatric WM V6.x platform (instead of learning the WM 7 toolkit and Developer tools). But that would be beating a DEAD HORSE. Right?
Windows Mobile was doomed the instant the iPhone was
announced. For an OS that's been around for so many
years it became immediately apparent how old and
outdated the UI was.

I used and enjoyed using Windows Mobile for at least five
or six years, but it was always very frustrating how poor the media
functions were. It was also very frustrating neither Microsoft nor the
service providers would offer users OS upgrades,
Microsoft simply left it up to the providers, and they forced users to buy
a new phone.

Now that I've had my iPhone 3G for almost two years I can't ever
picture going back to Windows Mobile unless MS can somehow figure
out a way blow me away with Windows Mobile 7, based on what I read
and seen so far, I doubt that will happen with WM 7 or anything
else coming out of Redmond these days.

As for upgrades, when I purchased my iPhone 3G it ran iPhone OS 2.0,
last year I received a FREE upgrade to iPhone OS 3.0, this year I'll
receive a FREE upgrade to iPhone OS 4.0... need I say more?
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Same with the Bell Mobility Samsung Omnia II
derekpichoski@... 30th Apr 2010
I have the exact same thoughts after I got the Samsung Omnia II from Bell Mobility (Canada). For work, we picked up 2 Omnia's and 12 Palm Pre's. I had to set them all up on our Exchange Server and I fell more in love with the Pre's than my own Omnia (within the first week even! - Should've returned it right then and there). I too am going to give Windows Phone 7 a shot before I swear off the Windows Mobile Platform. Sure glad that work pays for all my toys, lol.
I'm thinking about getting the htc hd2 and I cansee where a lot of
people are saying that the out of the box experience is not all the
good. What would be some things that I could add to the phone
to make it better. This will be my first windows mobile phone so
I'm kinda in the dark with some of this stuff.
Completely agree and the only reason I have persevered this long is the amazing work the Windows Mobile Communities do creating custom ROMS you can flash.

Microsoft seem intent on shooting themselves in the foot and will be irrelevant within 5 years max the way they are going.

I have been a Windows fan since Windows 95, though 98, 2000, XP, Vista, WHS, 7 and their mobile versions CE, Mobile, 6.1, 6.5 but I have just ordered my first Gogole Android phone (HTC Desire) as Windows Phone 7 looks like an Apple rip off with less functionality, MS Office is not worth ?20 (they still want ?200+!) when Open Office is so good and today I have just installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on a virtual machine and it is honestly almost as good as Windows 7!

Goodbye Windows Mobile and hello Android.
Just trying to find out, does HD2 function well without HTC's sense UI? I was under the impression that the UI can be switch off...that way, we get the standard 6.5 UI. Would HD2 still have all those problems when sense UI is off?
I really wonder if the number of apps (150,000 or 10,000) is an indication of the usefulness of a device. I am not shy to say I am a WinMo fan. Why? It is simply the easiest way to have my "office in my pocket". There is perhaps too much noise about WM Marketplace, as if that's the only place to get WinMo apps from. As someone pointed out in this thread, Handango had been doing a great job even before Apple.

If business is your primary driver for a mobile device, you would be looking at a WM device. I would not consider Android until it has applications that can replace Mobile Office. Imagine being able to CREATE Word or Excel files on your mobile device, save to an SD card, get to the office and simply slot the SD card into your laptop and continue working on the same document! For a serious business person, that's terrific.
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rsawoseyin 13th May 2010
I really wonder if the number of apps (150,000 or 10,000) is an indication of the usefulness of a device. I am not shy to say I am a WinMo fan. Why? It is simply the easiest way to have my "office in my pocket". There is perhaps too much noise about WM Marketplace, as if that's the only place to get WinMo apps from. As someone pointed out in this thread, Handango had been doing a great job even before Apple.

If business is your primary driver for a mobile device, you would be looking at a WM device. I would not consider Android until it has applications that can replace Mobile Office. Imagine being able to CREATE Word or Excel files on your mobile device, save to an SD card, get to the office and simply slot the SD card into your laptop and continue working on the same document! For a serious business person, that's terrific.
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MKnight2040 10th Jun 2010
I completely disagree with you on almost everything you said. First of all I'm not a microsoft fanboy and I do love the android platform (I went from G1 to HD2 - I also have a samsung omnia and I used to have an MDA - Notice I've spent quite some time using wm) and I might be getting the EVO (not sure yet). Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I must say that the HTC HD2 is the ultimate windows mobile experience and something that I had wished for since I first got my MDA - a capacitive touchscreen and a top notch interface - HTC Sense. Even with previous versions I always had at least 2 different ui options installed on my device which I thought was awesome. The number of apps in the market (android) doesn't even come to close to the number of apps available for windows mobile, remember that the windows Marketplace was made available years after this platform was already in use. If someone is not capable or simply dislikes searching for solutions in any other place than a given app store then there are other platforms that work in a more restricted manner that provide just that. As a long time wm user I can say that is not the case with this platform and that is the beauty of it. If you cannot appreciate the openness and flexibility that this platform has always offered then you might be better off with the alternatives. As far as the HD2 goes it is a power house. The performance of this phone definitely reflects the specs under the hood. All the issues that you complained about, I have not experienced. I did read there was an update made available to improve performance but I guess you were not willing to try it (in my case I didn't even feel that I needed it). For the most part almost anything that you can do with an android phone, we've been doing for years on wm (except for any of the cool propietary services offered by google like google goggles, etc).

When I heard that HD2 was not going to support the windows 7 phone series update, it became one of the reasons for me to get the phone because I know the potential this platform has and the tons of software available for it and I wanted to keep this even if in the future I get another phone. Also as someone else mentioned, I guess you never tried OMarket (lots of FREE apps available through a market style interface - community is great) . As I said at the beginning, this is the ultimate windows mobile experience because it brings the functionality that has always set this platform apart from the rest plus the desired multimedia features (not only in terms of sw but also hw) that have become a focus in today's environment. Even if I go back to android again anytime soon I'm still going to keep this phone as a backup.
Granted, this phone/platform is not for everyone and it's good to have alternatives these days. We (the consumers) are the ones who benefit from all this competition, just look at how the smartphone industry in the USA has grown so quickly in the last year (maybe couple of years).
I first have to say that the op is right. The hd2 stock does suck BUT. With XDA, hspl2, Magldr,dual boot Windows phone 7 and android 2.3.3. Gingerbread running of SD card this is truly the BEST phone ever!

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