Is our love for Palm clouding our Pre judgement?

Is our love for Palm clouding our Pre judgement?

Summary: Palm is where I started with mobile devices back in 1997 and they have had their ups and downs over the years with me serving as a fan and as a hater during different phases of the company. I read Jonathan Feldman's article on being an ex-Palm user and have to also wonder how much of the excitement around the Palm Pre is due to our desire to see a company like Palm succeed and stay competitive in today's mobile space. As I wrote up earlier, the Palm Pre is a good start with many great aspects, but it is a year or so behind the Apple iPhone and several months behind the Android platform. We all seem to remember the good things in our past and try to put the bad things behind us, but we shouldn't be too quick to forget all those rocky times we had with our old Palm devices either.

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Palm is where I started with mobile devices back in 1997 and they have had their ups and downs over the years with me serving as a fan and as a hater during different phases of the company. I read Jonathan Feldman's article on being an ex-Palm user and have to also wonder how much of the excitement around the Palm Pre is due to our desire to see a company like Palm succeed and stay competitive in today's mobile space. As I wrote up earlier, the Palm Pre is a good start with many great aspects, but it is a year or so behind the Apple iPhone and several months behind the Android platform. We all seem to remember the good things in our past and try to put the bad things behind us, but we shouldn't be too quick to forget all those rocky times we had with our old Palm devices either.

We all try to be as objective as we can, but we are all also human and have our likes and dislikes that differ from everyone else with bias integrated into our DNA.

In the good old days, Palm would release a PDA like the Palm V and then a few months later release the Vx that was really the solid device that should have been released first. This happened several times in Palm history and I actually spent many years buying Sony CLIE devices because of better innovation (although they too played the update and fix every 3 month game). Palm seemed to release "beta" devices to the public (and they were quite costly back in those days) and then follow it up a few months later with a functional device that fixed most of the previous device's problems.

Taking a look at this history causes me to pause a bit and wonder if the Pre is the "public beta" version that will be fixed with the Pre2 in three months. There are definitely several things that can be done better on the Pre, but we all seem to have come to expect first generation devices to be a bit buggy and pay for it anyways.

I am also a little hesitant to make a monetary commitment to Palm and Sprint right now with Palm short of cash and needing to hit it out of the ballpark with the Pre. It is a good start, but we need to see developer adoption and a strong commitment and focus by Palm to support the device and OS (they have been wishy-washy at times in the past) for the long term.

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  • A Year Or So Behind?

    I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say that Palm is a "year or
    so behind iPhone and several months behind Android." If you are
    referring to the product launches and broad availability of developer
    tools, I'm not sure that I see how it matters. The real question is,
    "How well does a given device meet my needs?"

    Though I haven't purchased a Pre, I did spend some time in Best Buy
    the other day playing with one. It looks like a fantastic phone that
    offers a first rate PIM, communications and e-mail experience.
    Though I find 8 GB a little small, the media experience also looks to
    be great (though not quite as good as iPhone). And the available apps
    look like they are extremely useful.

    Most importantly though, the Pre offers one feature that I desperately
    need and haven't been able to find on the iPhone: task sync with MS
    exchange. This one feature is essential for my work since I use
    exchange tasks to assign work to and receive updates from my team.
    But iPhone simply doesn't support it, and Palm Pre does. The iPhone's
    50,000 applications don't matter one whit to me if a core piece of
    functionality has been (probably deliberately) overlooked.

    I'm going to be looking for a new handheld in the next few months,
    and when I do, iPhone isn't going to be on that list because it doesn't
    support one of the top features that I need. However, despite their
    "measly" 25 or so apps, Palm Pre will be.
    Rob Oakes
    • BIASES WON"T CHANGE

      And By then when the Palm has 2,000 to 3,000 unique great apps and Iphone has 50,000 multi duplicating of apps with 20 versions of the same app(makes you wonder truly how many different usefull ones they have) This same Writer and many other will say Palm is even further behind. The bias wil never cease with these guys. Things that mean nothing to most people these guys protray as a must have.OH you don't have an APPLE logo on your phone well that means your phone stinks and simple just is not as good because I say so. No matter your phone is faster,more multi functional,more intuitive,better graphics and everything else most people really need.Simply because it is not the MEDIAS DARLING it will get discriminated as does everything the MEDIA as a whole doesn't put on a platter. This is disgusting because it is the same thing that happens in Politics and the same thing that happens when reporting any NEWS. They pick and choose who and what they like and they about trying to destoy the "other" group or company. Doesn't matter what they do in dishonest,unethical and many times pure bigotry and in many cases racism(or as some call it reverse racism) NONE of that matters as long as they support the ones slipping the money in their back pockets they wil do whatever it takes to help that one win. DISGUSTING!!!
      quixel
      • Pot, meet kettle

        Your post was not much more than a long, anti-Apple rant.
        frgough
  • Clearly some people's love of Apple clouds their judgement...

    ...of Apple Products. Why should you be any different.
    phess11
  • RE: Is our love for Palm clouding our Pre judgement?

    Is there really a lot of PALM love out there anymore? I'm not seeing it (in my limited view of the world). It seems to me like they're really going to have to earn that adoration these days.
    Badgered
  • Unlike the iPhone, the Pre has a keyboard

    And, unlike the G1, the Pre does not run Google spyware. So, there are two things in its favour. Beyond that, it is a personal decision based on features and network preferences.
    jorjitop
    • although unfortunately

      the pre's keyboard kind of stinks, imo. i was thinking about getting one, but i don't think i could deal with that keyboard. will probably get an iphone 3gs instead.
      lostarchitect
      • That makes no sense at all...

        a) You buy a gadget for a reason.

        b) You either need a keyboard or you don't.

        To hop from looking at a gizmo wth a keyboard, to slaging it off and buying another gizmo that you need to hold at 30% to see the key you're trying to press, makes no logical sense.

        There's clearly a judghement to be made; use a keyboard with limitations (I've never seen it, you have) or stand in public and act as if you are cross-eyed and attempt to enter text (Yes I tried the iphone for a day). I stuck with my Blackberry Bold ( I only need phone and all my Outlook apps; I don't need media thus it's on another device).

        You sound like you're buying an iphone regardless of the Pre's 'merits'. I wuldn't touch one myself, having been ripped off for apps I would consider as 'basic' before. Once bitten, twice shy.
        johnmckay
        • The lesson to take away

          is that physical keyboards on hand-held mobile devices are over-rated.
          But that won't stop people from claiming it's an essential feature. After
          all, you still have people insisting that an MP3 player without an FM tuner
          is a castrated product, even though a hundred million plus people think
          otherwise.
          frgough
          • listen buddy

            Or maybe people are different and value/rate things differently. What other people think is essential has little affect on what I find essential. People balance style and function differently.
            christovich79@...
  • RE: Is our love for Palm clouding our Pre judgement?

    Apple didnt get it right the first time around with the iphone.. and many who purchased the original iphone were unhappy when the next generation iphone came out at a cheaper price point especially after paying so much for the original that had the problems it did.. Clearly the love of apple clouded consumers judgment causing them to dismiss the fact that most times the product isn't going to be perfect the first 'version' around.. But that's why we look for the brands we trust and are willing to travel down the road with.. Our love of palm is a judgment.. We've been through the ups and downs and we are still here because we like the products we use overall and we look forward to whatever they have to offer us in the future.. owning palm products the last 7 years myself and a die hard treo fan i welcome the pre.. This day is long overdue.. And i would happily take an update or a beta phone over an iphone any day.. thank you
    spreadfridays
    • what would the biased posters here tell a friend...

      who told them they were looking for smartphone and they had a list of
      features they wanted.
      1) perfect syncing with their iTunes library
      2) plenty of gigabytes, say 32, of storage
      3) an intuitive touchscreen and GUI
      4) Exchange syncing
      5) cloud syncing for contacts, calendar, browser bookmarks, etc
      6) thousands of applications
      7) wifi and 3G speeds
      8) GPS and compass functionality (to enjoy the amazing apps coming
      that will use this)
      9) ability to take VGA video (not the crap of most mobile phones) and
      edit the video for immediate upload
      10) etc, etc.

      Would one of you biased people recommend the iPhone to your
      friend? No you wouldn't, because your bias and lack of experience (I'm
      sure you've never used an iPhone, and I'm also sure some of you are
      paid Microsoft shills) would make you screw your friend instead of
      letting them buy anything at all made by Apple.

      It's such a shame that so many of you are so small minded. Like the
      type of people that wanted to kill Galileo when he stated the sun was
      the center of the universe. You want to live in your little world and not
      let any facts affect your life. Thank God you guys aren't working at an
      innovative place like Apple, you'd keep them in the dark ages.

      Pathetic.

      cheers!
      ShazAmerica
      • ?

        Well I think most people have a problem with being biased to apple
        products.
        mathcreative
      • You're biassed in your requirements though..

        You talk about bias and then pesent the spec list for an iphone?

        a) The list of synching is rubbish. It doesn't synch by itself, it's MS pucsh / pull technology. If you need instant, no interraction synching you get a Blackberry. No question and no argument.

        b) Who needs to synch itunes on a business phone? Nobody! Thus for a business phone it is totally immaterial.

        c) "Wifi and 3G to enjoy the amazing apps coming"... sounds a tad biased to me. What are those apps and If I can live without them just now.. just maybe I'll survive a while longer.

        d) An intuitive touchscreen and GUI. I do agree to a point.. but that touchscreen includes the keyboard which is SHOCKING. That's a decision factor for me.

        Summary:
        a) Try to be objective and not assume folk like me are iphone haters. We're not, it just doesn't warrant the initial cost; the monthly outlays; or tick my requirements.
        b) Have a look at your own bias before slagging anyone else off. I thought you were being sarcastic at first then I realised you were serious. Blinkered, but serious.
        johnmckay
      • religion

        how can i join your religion? I'm pretty sure it will make me happier.
        christovich79@...
  • Like Apple?

    I ask the same question of Apple fanboys.
    rjohn05
  • forget the apple/palm fanboyism

    would I recommend my friend pay $360 more per year for service? Would I recommend him/her paying extra for using the onboard nav or some other features Sprint includes for free with their Everything Data/Plus plans.

    My bias against the iphone is I don't like how closed off Apple is. Don't like itunes or even want it remotely close to my PC. If I had a mac or my friend had a mac, I wouldn't hesitate recommending one though. And I'm not into the jailbreak thing.

    Would I recommend the Pre? Well I've been a PalmOS owner for 13yrs. Palm OS still has the best PIM functionality hands down out of the box. Google sucks. iPhone's is lackluster as is the Pre's. Even winmob doesn't handle all the fields my PalmOS phones had. Problem with the Pre is there was too much Apple influence in the dumbing down of its PIM over a 13yr old OS that got it right. Not to mention the loss of some other Palm functionality many have become accustomed to. A simple d-pad or trackball would've done wonders for text nav & cut & paste and really set it apart from all the other touch based phones out there. Lets add some of the hardware glitches on the Pre, and subpar (relatively speaking) build quality on the overall unit. I returned my Pre within a few days and am now giving the Treo Pro a shot (and doing well with it actually). Even if the Pre2 is around the corner, the Pre is no Palm V. Even the original Pilots had better build quality than the Pre. Very disappointing as a landmark device. The OS is slick and fun to use for media, web browsing and other personal functionality. For business oriented use it does lack. So if you aren't a strong PIM user and can get a good copy of the Pre, I'd give it a throw. I did expect more of Palm though, and I'll give the Pro a shot for awhile until something better comes along that isn't on AT&T. Paying more for less just isn't worth it in my book unless you just greatly desire the iphone or need world phone functionality.
    crogs
  • RE: Is our love for Palm clouding our Pre judgement?

    I still use palm os treo's and zodiacs. Treo's are super cheap off ebay, and you can activate them, for less than $15, and then pay only $10 every 4 months to use them as emergency phones. No new phone is going to be able to beat that.

    Zodiacs were the only mobile pda that I know of to have a graphic accelerator.

    They have some really great programs like moepaint, that's probably the best mobile drawing app that I've ever found. It's also free, as are many palm os programs now because there's such a long history of that os. I think they really made a mistake not having backward compatibility. Maybe someone will come out with an emulator or something.
    lrdcemb@...
  • RE: Is our love for Palm clouding our Pre judgement?

    I have liked my Treo 650, which was obsolete when I
    received it with a medical device. I would like to get
    a Pre, but Sprint has no service in Maine, so I am out
    of luck for now.
    Tripp3
  • Probably

    Every review so far basically boils down to this:

    Crappy keyboard. Cheap Construction. Rotten battery life.
    Confusing interface. iPhone Killer.
    frgough