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Are PC gamers better than console players?

By | July 25, 2010, 5:02am PDT

Rahul Sood, who started Voodoo PC and is now an exec at HP, is never one to shy away from bold statements. In his latest missive, he claims that Microsoft has killed a project that would have pitted PC gamers against Xbox fraggers in online play.

Why? According to Sood, Microsoft expected the Xbox players to cream PC gamers, but the opposite occurred: the top-notch Xbox players the company used would repeatedly lose to what Sood describes as “mediocre” PC gamers.

It’s unclear why Microsoft would have pulled the plug on such an experiment, but Sood — a long-time advocate for PC gaming — speculates that if the company had implemented the PC-Xbox gaming bridge with its Live online environment, the Microsoft’s Xbox team was would have been embarrassed.

Sood laments that this is another sign that PC gaming is being marginalized even though he feels it provides the best gaming experience available:

You simply don’t get the same level of detail or control as you do with a PC over a console. It’s a real shame that Microsoft killed this — because had they kept it alive it might have actually increased the desire of game developers and gamers alike to continue developing and playing rich experiences on the PC which would trickle down to the console as it has in the past.

But, all things considered, does the PC provide the best experience? On the one hand, the latest PC graphics cards can provide better visual quality than console units. On the other hand, you can get a dedicated gaming machine with good graphics for less than you would spend for the latest graphics card. If price is no object, Sood is right that you could buy or assemble a desktop that is superior to the console, but most people don’t have the means to drop a few thousand on such systems. For them, an Xbox 360 or PS3 is more than adequate.

Those of you who have both a console and a PC gaming setup: which do you prefer? Do you find you get better control on your PC, as Sood argues? Let us know your thoughts in the Comments section.

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RE: Are PC gamers better than console players?
jmidway22 15th Jul
@Li1t

You pretty much summed it up.

Analog sticks just don't offer the control mouse targeting does. If you add variable sensitivity on a gaming mouse you add even more pinpoint accuracy at any range.

High end gamers on the PC playing in leagues really display the wide gap in ability that the PC offers.

The real downfall though of PC gaming is the inability or lack of interest in preventing hacking. The prevelance of hacking in the COD franchise is amazing and its pushing people away. There are simple ways to fix this.. Crowd source PunkBuster screen shot auditing!!!!
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RE: Are PC gamers better than console players?
atari_z Updated - 25th Jul 2010
It's not only a problem of visual quality, which will always be better on PCs. Controls on consoles for games such as FPS, RPG, or RTS usually suck, because they are not meant for this kind of games. Unfortunately, there are few multiplayer games in game types where consoles are better, apart from racing games.

"You simply dont get the same level of detail or control as you do with a PC over a console": So I must say that this sentence is completely false. Unless something revolutionary is inverted for consoles (which is not happening in the near or even distant future), PCs will still have far better controls for the type of game they bused in their experiment.
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Oh, look, another yet-another-latest-military-based-FPS related thing.
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Very Simple
ctunk 25th Jul 2010
If you want a Console Gamer to be as good a PC gamer ship them with some type of keyboard and do not scale down the content to fit 4 buttons! The difference is that a PC gamer naturally will modify his environment. Environment being: where keys are located, hot keys, macros, etc. You can not do this on a console.

Even once you go to a "neutral" field (console or pc) the pc gamer has always viewed the game in a more complex manner and a manner which can be modified so he plays "critically" and this is why the article is no surprise.

I can't believe MS thought a console gamer would be better than a PC gamer!!! Not sure if that is true but if it is yet another ultimate fail from MS!
... is not the same as being in the military.

So to the idiots who think that playing games will make them a good candidate to be in the military, and that the military will give you a cushy desk job (if you pass basic training), make sure you tell your mom what you would like to see on your tombstone.
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@wackoae
What?!? not sure where this statement comes from? who is implying that being good at a "stupid shooter game" (as you put it) makes you a good candidate for the military?

Not sure who would say that honestly, it was never meant to be "the same"

that being said, its obvious you feel the shooter games are pretty good and much more realistic
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@wackoae
Why did you post this? They didn't mention the military. Heck they didn't even mention shooters. Why? Just for the record.
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wackoae 26th Jul 2010
Reply to a post that got deleted.
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@wackoae
Actually there have been studies done by the military that show FPS players have a much greater ability to process visual information than non gamers. In addition that squad movements and tactics can be learned very well in FPS. Go somewhere else with your "im the ultimate bad ass" bullcrap.
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I dislike keyboard and mouse for gaming.
Grayson Peddie 25th Jul 2010
Besides, I'm not very comfortable with that, like using WSAD for movements and a mouse for shooting and when looking around. That is for FPS and RPG.

But if I want to use a keyboard, I'd like to map the following actions/movement keys to the following:

Space bar: Attack
Alt key: Alternate attack
Comma: Strife left (step to the left)
Period: Strife right (step to the right)
Up/Down arrow keys: Go forward/backward
Left/Right arrow keys: Turn left or right
Page Up/Page Down: Look up or down

So for a game controller, I would assign the following actions to the buttons:

A button: Attack
B button: Alternate attack
Left trigger: Strife left (step to the left)
Right trigger: Strife right (step to the right)
Up/Down D-Pad: Go forward/backward
Left/Right D-Pad: Turn left or right
X or Y button: Look up or down

Of course, I will need to buy a better game controller if I need more buttons (like switching weapons) but for me, I prefer simplified game play experience, regardless of game genre.

I don't care if a PC gamer or console gamer are better than others. PC and console has their own strengths and weaknesses. For me, one of the weaknesses is that you will need a very fast GPU to play games made today and I am running at a resolution of 1920x1080 in my 57" HDTV. I will probably not see any difference when I play the game at a resolution of 1280x720, but I prefer 1920x1080. One other weakness is that some games won't let me assign actions to keys that I'm comfortable with and if I want to avoid using a mouse and assign the keys for turning left/right in a first/third person shooter game and the game won't let me do that, it's a deal breaker.

Thus, I must say that I am better at console gaming. I currently have PS2 for playing Final Fantasy XII in widescreen mode, but I'd certainly miss out in playing Final Fantasy XIII, which I'll need to buy an XBOX 360 or PS3 (I prefer XBOX 360, as it'd be interesting to see what it's like when I port my own game over to XBOX 360 when using XMA GameStudio Express. I'd certainly buy a Wii to play Zelda: Twilight Princess. So anyway, the reason why I am better at console gaming is because of simplified game play experience using a game controller and I am a ******** Eastern RPGer, whether it be Final Fantasy, Breath of Fire, Eternal Ring, Quest 64, and other Eastern RPG/jRPG games that are my favorite. Of course I do used to play other games like Zelda and Star Fox. For PC games, I used to play Final Fantasy VII and VIII for the PC, including Quake 2, Quake 3 Arena, and Tomb Raider 2 and 3 (no, I did not buy Quake 2 and 3, as I only play the demo version of the games with only the key mappings that I listed above and like I mentioned, I did not use the mouse for movement/firing).

All in all, everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses. So, just because a PC gamer are so used to using a mouse and keyboard with WSAD for movements and that they have a high-end graphics cards does not mean they are a better "PC" gamer. In my opinion, the key word is comfort and how well you put your mouse and keyboard to use for gaming.
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It's an age thing
CrunchyFerrett 25th Jul 2010
Perhaps I'm completely off the mark, and if you think so, you can just shut your mouth. This is an opinion, and I have no interest in debating it with you.

It's an age / maturity thing. Consoles are for kids and young adults who are typically cost-driven into using a console system, with it's built in graphic and control limitations.

As they get older, wiser, and have a few more dollars to spend, the ones who stick with gaming will inevitably move to a PC. With a PC, everything is tweakable and can be configured exactly to the user specifications, rather than being limited to the 3 or 4 presets available to a console.
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@CrunchyFerrett I Have To Agree With You There, While I Prefer Using Thumbsticks And Triggers, Over Mouse And Keyboard Im Already Saving Up For A ?1000 PC Why ? Im 16 Years Old And I Wan't More Out Of My Gaming. Its Not Just The Fact That PC's Are Superior To Consoles. Its The Things On The Side Like Modding On RPG's. Fallout 3 Is My Favourite RPG And I Just Wan't To Play The Mod's You See On Youtube.

Technically Speaking The Xbox Is A PC. With A Different OS. It Has A Triple Core Processor And A GPU. However You Lose The Freedom To Do What You Want When You Want. I.E Upgrade You Graphics Card Or Apply A New OS.

Back To The Question In Hand I Personally Think Its Close But PC Gamers Would Win, Judging By Footage I've Seen They Have A Faster Response Time And Better Accuracy At Longer Ranges.

If You Watch Any Frag Movie On Youtube. Ill Recommend One Search Rapid Paradox You Can Clearly See PC Users ARE Going To Win
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Honestly
Peter Perry 25th Jul 2010
@WELSHYx Honestly, he said the average gamers were owning the Console Crowd.
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RE: Are PC gamers better than console players?
Samwiches Updated - 16th Nov 2010
@CrunchyFerrett
This expensive "gaming rig" myth needs to end.

Everyone needs a computer, and almost everyone has a flat panel TV, right? Well here are some numbers: (TV + XBOX) = $1000; (Computer + videocard + gaming mouse) = $850.

My whole rig is one small step down from top-of-the-line. I have my pokey computer and plug in a $150 CPU and a $220 graphics card--now handles any mainstream game at max settings. Throw in all of the mod and community perks and PC gaming ought to reign.
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This Talkback system is alpha or beta quality right now. I tried to edit my post and save it, and BAM!!! The error message pops up.

Anyway, I couldn't remember what I've edited for adding additional information, but oh well...
I personally prefer a pc for first person shooters and similar... The analog stick(s) will never be able to compare to a keyboard and mouse for FPS games. This could easily be solved if game developers added support for keyboard and mouse input, but I don't know if we'll ever see that happen.
@Li1t

You pretty much summed it up.

Analog sticks just don't offer the control mouse targeting does. If you add variable sensitivity on a gaming mouse you add even more pinpoint accuracy at any range.

High end gamers on the PC playing in leagues really display the wide gap in ability that the PC offers.

The real downfall though of PC gaming is the inability or lack of interest in preventing hacking. The prevelance of hacking in the COD franchise is amazing and its pushing people away. There are simple ways to fix this.. Crowd source PunkBuster screen shot auditing!!!!
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For me it's which system has the best throughput on the input. Flight Simulators and RPGs; the keyboard is better on a PC. Point and shoot games fair better with a console.
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Like?
Peter Perry 25th Jul 2010
@sjones@... Call of Duty? Shut off Auto Aim (because the PC doesn't support that for multi-player) and I would own any console gamer with my dual core PC.
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@Peter Perry
So you feel auto targeting and sticky targeting are unfair advantages over the unfair advantage of your mouse? HYPOCRISY!! :P
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xxravenstarxx:

The difference is that the PC player must still use the mouse skillfully; auto-aim is a crutch that the console (computer) provides to compensate for less precise controls.
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@sjones@...
depends on what you call point and shoot....

if you are talking first person shooting, where your view is you holding a gun as you run around shooting things (screen view is as if it is through your characters eyes) then PC with the keyboard is better. It is SO SO much easier to move your mouse right to your target and get the target on first try rather than moving that console game controller knob and try to get it pointed on the target as quickly as possible which usually proves to be harder when it is your thumb doing the moving it.
besides, graphics are much much better on a pc and alot of people are overlooking this fact.
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@sjones@... I do hope you mean the other way around. Simulators often fair better on a console, point and shoot is better on the PC.
And about RPGs, they work on the console, but I think they are better on the PC. Freedom to mod however you like, and having hotkeys.


Anyway, you don't have to put down thousands of dollars to have a mediocre gaming machine. You don't need the latest parts, and you would still get about the same gaming experience as on the console.
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Lets face it, a mouse will always be faster at targeting than a control pad. Its been a interface that has been used and perfected since the mid 80's. On the other side of the argument, the analog control pad will always offer better, smoother player movement. Personally I prefer the dual thumb sticks of the control pad to the mouse keyboard combo. I feel more connected to the action, (i never have to move my hands or look down to find my buttons or triggers... Never mind the fact that I cannot sit at a PC and hold a mouse for more than a half hour before my hand starts to hurt and fingers go numb.
That being said, I am tired of the argument that consoles are for kids or young adults. Thats just PC snobbery in action. Don't forget, while the consoles always fall behind top of the line PC's, when the 360 launched it could outperform even dedicated gaming rigs. The 360 GPU was the prototype direct x 10 card. Also, the best development currently is on the console side of the house. Thats not to say the PC doesn't offer some fantastic options as well. If PC developers ever branch out form the MMORPG / RTS / FPS rut and bring out more Wing Commander'ish games... I would without question embrace PC gaming again.
At the end of the day all that really matters is what YOU perfer. We are all gamers! The sooner we stop arguing amongst ourselves who's unit is bigger, and begin working together, then we will truly begin to see some really amazing things!
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I disagree
Peter Perry 25th Jul 2010
@xxravenstarxx I gave up console gaming (except for sports) because the keyboard and mouse were that much better over all than the controllers on the likes of the X-Box and PS2... The Wii was different but not enough in the movement of the players.
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@xxravenstarxx
like peter perry said, i started out on console and changed totally to my pc cuz graphics are so much better and keyboard controls are so much easier to use.
I will give you an ounce of argument in saying the WASD is harder than the control pad on a controller as I thought so at first, but believe me after playing a few times your hand gets used to it and difference between the two is nil. Hell, you get so used to the advantages of a keyboard and the WASD keys that I use the keys: ERFGZXCV keys for assorted things without even thinking about it. add that to the much easier targeting of a mouse, and it is a no brainer.
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Yep they are!
Peter Perry Updated - 25th Jul 2010
And this is exactly why the likes of Counter Strike never made for a great game on the Console even though many of us who loved the game on the PC hated it on the console! There was no substitute for aiming with a mouse.

Personally, I felt the Wii was the closest thing to the PC in terms of controls but honestly the console was way under powered.

If Nintendo gave us a quad core system with some modern Graphics Chip, tons of RAM and a Decent Hard Drive the other two systems wouldn't even be in the game right now! Crud, they could have make do with HD, Dual Core, 1 Gig Ram and a 60 Gig Drive back then!

Oh but the Console Controls are ideal for sports games as those don't translate well to the PC without a controller but at least you have that option.
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... an OS with limited usability. The only basic difference is that (very few) PC games can be played using a keyboard.
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I love my consoles, but I have to insist that the PC gaming experience is much better than the console gaming experience. Though it is true that the graphics card in my PC cost as much as a new PS3, so I would bloody well hope that would be the case. And as advanced and convenient as a console controller is, the PC's keyboard and mouse are far better, and that makes for better player response, particularly for FPS. A mouse gives you instant response, but the analog joystick in a controller has a fixed rate of movement, and that is its insurmountable limitation.
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@Droog
You are 100% correct about the rate of movement, however I would counter that trigger lock targeting found on GTA or COD makes targeting as fast as you can alternate trigger pulls.
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Dumbing it down for console
tonymcs@... 25th Jul 2010
As you'd expect this is a common complaint from PC gamers. Due to the large market share of consoles, more and more games are being designed for console and then put on the PC. They lack the sophisticated UI of a PC game and it's very obvious which games were intially designed for console.

If I really needed to use a simple controller on a PC - I can, but it doesn't replace the resolution and fine control of the kb/mouse combo. I'd be happy to play against any console player in FPS sniping, except it's not really a challenge.

MMORPGs and RTS games are another case in point - it's just easier to play the game with kb/mouse and I'd like to see how a console manages my myriad action bars in WoW.

Games with simple controls are fine on the console, but when you have to replace hit key A (or whatever key you bind it to) with buttons AABBXX and stand on one leg, the problems with consoles is obvious.

Every time I play on a console I feel like I'm gaming with one hand tied behind my back wink
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Dumbing it down for console
tonymcs@... Updated - 25th Jul 2010
just a repeat post due to ZDNet's wonderful posting system
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I have been playing games for the last 25 years and the console is the one, especially the controller.Play with a console for a full day before giving your opinion.

Mr.Crab
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@Mr.Crab
I agree. Old school gamers unite!
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Umm, what?
Peter Perry 25th Jul 2010
@Mr.Crab Many of us came from consoles and Atari was king when I started playing games some 30 years ago... The PC still won me over in the mid 90s and in spite of owning every console in the past 15 years (not portables) they still haven't won me back (my kids play them).
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@Mr.Crab I started with the Atari 2600 30 years ago. As most people have stated it all depends on the type of game you are playing. FPS/RTS/RPG tend to work better with the freedom of a mouse. Sports, drivers, fighting games and platforms tend to work best on the console.
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@CrunchyFerrett

I disagree with you on the kid/young adult and cost conscious. I have been a serious console gamer for 12 years now, I am a well paid professional for whom financial limitations are not an issue at a price point involving a gaming grade PC and I assure you this is the case for most of the gamers I have around me.

On the contrary, it is cheaper for us to buy a simple gaming PC and buy pirated games (originals do not really exist in the Middle East) than to buy a console and buy original games at $100 a pop yet of the gamers I know around me only one is a computer gamer and he is also an avid console gamer.

I remember reading on some other site a comment that playing with a mouse is not a sign of actual skill as you cant aim that quickly in real life. I reserve judgment on this issue but I thought I should point it out.

Perhaps its a shame they didn't work harder on the project, I am sure a few tweaks here and there would decrease the gap between both kinds of gamers.
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@mohmaaytah
Agreed, and good point.
And for those who think aiming a weapon in real life is as simple as point and click... well then wackoae's comment would be well directed at them.
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I Agree
reubenchris@... 25th Jul 2010
Hi Man...I totally Agree with what u say...However the main reason Microsoft not backing up PC gamers is a fact that PC games are damn easy to crack and mostly all games are all pirated these days. So Microsoft does not have any choice but to go for xbox live in which they have complete control of all Xbox 360 gamers. However i like the way u think..PC Gamers are Always a few steps ahead of Xbox Gamers.
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Pc's which can play games are not expensive these days. You can out together a nice gaming rig for around $500 and u can put together a decent one for about $100-$150 less. You don't have to have the latest graphics card to play games. Unless u want to play every new game in max settings in a 1080p or higher resolution there are plenty of midrange and upper budget cards that can do the job.
Gaming on pc's is better. It always has been and it always will be. Console gamers suck compared to pc gamers.
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PC Games
Cylon Centurion 26th Jul 2010
I will always be a PC FPS gamer till death do us part. Personally, the keyboard/mouse combo works better for me, than fiddling around with a goofy controller, and trying to aim - ahaha - with joysticks.
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Well PC vs Consoles
Ceridan 26th Jul 2010
Well, PCs usually have better controler system for FPS and strategy, and simulated fligth(with a flight stick) but for the rest of the games, it depends on the availability of a game pad on the PC or touch screen for specific games.

But as far as the player go: there's no difference in ability between the PC gamer and the console gamer... only fanboism would cause someone to say that PC gamers are better or Console gamers are better.... Oh and sometimes, someone who play PC games will also play Console games depending on the better platform(usually for me it falls to what's better, using my PC or the DRM on the PC is too anoying).
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Also, I'd like to play FPS in a console.
Grayson Peddie 26th Jul 2010
However, I'm not trying to show fanboyism in here. Console gaming, regardless of the genre, is my preference over PC gaming. I'd like to have fun in a deathmatch/arena, but I don't like to be owned by PC gamers who think they are always better than me. I'd mostly just play FPS by myself, though.
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Can build you a decent gaming system for 400
Been_Done_Before 26th Jul 2010
Why would i want a console?
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With consoles...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 26th Jul 2010
the user is continuously waiting on the manufacturer to make a new console, which can take several years, whereas the PC Gamer can always update, and not always for mega bucks as the author has put forward.

Although the start up costs for a new PC are likely considerably higher. A mid range gaming rig will likely cost the user about $650-$800, roughly, whereas a PS3, 360, Wii will cost the user roughly $250-$300 + additional controllers and such... Of course the PC gaming rig is much more versatile, as it has the added benefit of being a full fledged PC, capable of not only playing great games, but also running Web Based games, Web surfing, Netflix, Hulu, FB and on and on and on.

I personally own a Gaming PC, 360, PS3, and a Wii, along with some of their respective legacy consoles, PS2, PS1, N64, Xbox Original...

And I must admit that I do most of my gaming on the consoles, and this is more for the fact that my PC is at a computer desk, the chair isn't all that comfortable, and right now my PC and my 42" plasma don't really like to play well together. Of course it is all about comfort, I can plop down on the couch and play my consoles, and be rather comfortable for a couple of hours of play, my PC, well even with a comfortable desk chair, there is a certain amount of discomfort that starts to set in after a while, and if it is at your couch, then it can be a challenge to get a keyboard and mouse in a ergonomically friendly position while you sit on the couch.

So if you can solve in your own home the issue of creating a super comfortable position on your couch for a keyboard and mouse, and get your PC connected to your TV in such a way they play nice, then yeah, I would definitely say that a PC would without a doubt beat the pants of any console gamer, in every way.
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Contributr
Yes, of course. I had a very good friend who passed away recently who always used to rant on about how console gaming was ruining PC gaming and that PC gaming was always going to be the state of the art. So, in memory of my buddy Steve, I must unreservedly claim that PC games and gamers rock and console games (and gamers) don't.

(That said, I personally own all the consoles and play on the PC, so, you know... I love 'em all).
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I'm 41 and have been gaming my whole life. Personally I'm moving away from gaming on the PC and TO the consoles, primarily the 360 games, for several reasons:

1. My media room set-up is amazing. Surround sound with a 55" 1080p LED flat screen and a great chair. Turn down the lights and turn up the volume and the immersion is unlike anything I've experienced on PC. Yes, I could hook up a Media Center enabled PC to that same setup, but controls on PC games are geared toward a desk (or laptop) not a living room.

2. PC is a constant hardware upgrade battle. Ok this is a little less of an issue than it was a few years ago, but how many times have you had to upgrade your video card, only to find out your power supply now needs to be upgraded to support that video card, and that now your RAM is too slow. Yes, consoles are weaker in terms of hardware compared to PCs, but the consistency of that hardware allows developers to tweak engines to ridiculous levels on consoles. I went all out with my last upgrade about 2 years ago and got a top of the line Core2 Duo and an 8800 GTS, which are still pretty good for gaming performance although it's the first time my hardware has "held out" for 2 years on the PC gaming side of things.

3. Cheaters/Hackers. Yes, it happens on consoles too, but it's SO MUCH MORE RAMPANT on the PC side of things that I swear it's almost put me off online PC gaming entirely. I will never understand what the thrill is someone gets out of cheating and ruining the game for everyone else. A side-effect of this is that many games (especially EA games) in their feeble efforts to detect online cheaters will sometimes kick legitimate players because of things like latency spikes that mimic cheating behavior. I think it's the ease of running 3rd party software in the background on the PC that makes this so much more prevalent on that side. I just hate it and it barely comes up on the 360/XBox Live side of things.

4. Controls - ok no doubt, for RTS the keyboard is really amazing. Then again, memorizing the layout of a keyboard, even one that I customize, isn't what I consider "fun" which is why I play games. I'm surprised that I like it but the radial popup menus they're using in console RTS games like Halo Wars and LOTR really works for me. For other kinds of games, especially FPS which are my personal favorite, the analog control of both aiming (which PC's do great with the mouse) and moving (which PCs fail miserably at with the WASD method in my opinion) is just unmatched as far as immersion. The problem is that the mouse is SO precise that most PC gamers swear by it since they can get pixel-accurate aiming out of it. But that's not real life. Real life is more fluid, and the analog controllers on the 360 and PS3 do a better job of capturing the experience of, say, aiming a gun or sneaking around a building.

I still play the occasional MMORPG and there just are no console equivalents, but there could be, and if there ever are I'm not sure I'd need the PC at all.

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