Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

Summary: You will have the unparalleled and unprecedented opportunity to watch us pontificate on the future of Windows 8. Bring popcorn. There will be fireworks.

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It just doesn't get any better than this. Tune in on Wednesday for a video webcast where I, fellow ZDNet blogger Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, and CBS Interactive Managing Editor Josh Gingold "discuss" Windows 8 and whether anyone cares.

Yes, we will be on video. You will have the unparalleled and unprecedented opportunity to watch two bearded pundits pontificate on the future of Windows 8 while the facial-hair free Josh tries to impose some degree of order and decorum on the proceedings.

Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 Time: 4:00 pm ET / 1:00 pm PT / 21:00 GMT Register: Windows 8 Showdown

So, how did it all come to this? Well, mostly because we're bloggers, we're opinionated, and we tend to disagree on topics relating to Windows and Linux.

[For the record, Windows 7 crashed right here, while I was writing this article. 20 minutes later, I'm back up and running. Sigh.]

Last week, Steven wrote Five reasons why Windows 8 is DOA. His premise is all desktop operating systems are becoming less relevant with the rise of cloud computing and tablets. Windows 8 will be a comparative failure, ala Vista, as die-hard Microsoft users stick with XP and 7.

I had to respond, saying Why Windows 8 matters for real work, and so will Windows 9. My contention is we're going to need real computers, the future of Mac OS X is in question, Linux (and the Linux community) is too flaky, and so that leaves Windows.

Can you see now why sparks will fly during our webcast?

So mark your calendars and tune in. CBS Interactive is putting on this beard-fest at no charge to you. All you need to do is fire up that popcorn popper, add a little oil, some fresh kernels, some salt, butter, and seasoning. Then take that fresh popcorn, pop yourself in front of your monitor, and tune in for the fun.

Reserve your virtual seat! Windows 8 showdown: Face-off on whether Windows still matters

Save some popcorn for me.

Topics: Operating Systems, Linux, Microsoft, Open Source, Software, Windows

About

David Gewirtz, Distinguished Lecturer at CBS Interactive, is an author, U.S. policy advisor, and computer scientist. He is featured in the History Channel special The President's Book of Secrets and is a member of the National Press Club.

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  • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

    Are both of you going to debate inside a steel cage?
    kenosha77a
  • RE: because we???re bloggers, we???re opinionated

    What I think "some" bloggers have a problem with is Facts. It is fine to have an opinion on something as long as you can back it up with facts. Unfortunately "some" bloggers neglect the facts, distort the facts, or downright lie to try and support their opinion.
    bobiroc
    • TRUE!

      @bobiroc
      Those bloggers make it tedious to have to wade through their rantings to find those few posts where something intelligent is contributed.

      It is interesting that the most egregious examples, and the greatest volume, come from the NBM fanatics who, for some obscure reason, have convinced themselves that everything Microsoft is perfect, and everything from anyone else is rubbish.

      Of course, if that were [i]really[/i] the case, there would be no arguments here!
      rahbm
  • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

    Ah, the "real work" ploy. That won't fly...<br><br>When a developer uses QtCreate on Windows it is "real work" but when the same developer uses QtCreate on Linux it is not? I used to use MS Visual Studio BEFORE I tried QtCreate. I got MORE work done using QtCreate & Qt because I could develop source under Linux at least twice as fast as under Windows, then move it to Windows for compiling and deployment to Windows servers. Same source, same tool, two platforms. That's working real.<br><br>When I write a document on Linux using LibreOffice the skill sets required are the same as writing that document in LibreOffice on Windows. <br><br>Those who claim they can only do "real work" on Windows are using "special" definitions of "real work" that deliberately define it to exclude Linux, a self-serving and self-deluding ploy, to say the least.
    GreyGeek77
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @GreyGeek77 You obviously have no clue about anything computer related. I bought me a copy of Micr0$uck$ Visual Studio so now I'm a certified professional engineer and know what I'm talking about. With the Micr0$uck$ LoseDoze Operating System (O/S) you can install the internet and browse the web and point and click and cut and paste and multitask and do all of the things that are so DIFFICULT if not outright IMPOSSIBLE to do on your Linux machines.
      HackerJ
  • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

    This is one of the things I disliked most about this site is when bloggers bicker amongst themselves. I'd rather you guys report tech news.
    Loverock Davidson-
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @Loverock Davidson- Here, here! I couldn't agree more!

      Facts are important. And informed opinions can be useful. But arguing about preferences as though they were facts ... pretending opinions are facts ... it's utterly useless.

      When I purchase tech, I don't give one rat's behind what the person living next to me is using, as long as what they have suits them and what I have suits me. All this pointless bickering is beyond childish ... it's a deliberate choice on the part of editors to put the click attracting power of empty bickering (fights always attract a crowd) above providing useful information and insight into technology and how to fit various available options with the differing needs, wants and preferences of users.
      draku.zeos
    • Now THAT was funny!

      @Loverock Davidson-
      [i]"...one of the things I disliked most about this site is when bloggers bicker amongst themselves."[/i]

      Absolutely priceless, coming from YOU, one of the worst perpetrators!
      rahbm
  • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

    Will there be any nudity ?
    herbstanfield
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @herbstanfield

      Dear God I hope not!
      PollyProteus
      • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

        @PollyProteus: Come, come! Ugly middle-aged men can be irresistible to many women if their "wallet" is big enough...
        jonesboro500@...
  • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

    "the future of Mac OS X is in question"

    HUH?
    bobjones2007
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @bobjones2007

      Don't you know that it is the cool thing to do for bloggers is to predict the death of certain technologies and companies. Their predictions are less accurate than weathermen predict the weather. Essentially don't believe it until it happens.
      bobiroc
  • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

    to the old men windows is doa and windows 9 if like windows 8 will be doa
    ttx19
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @jt59,
      That was stated very eloquently.
      bmonsterman
  • I agree with both partially

    Windows is definitely important for real work no matter how much mobile grows, so I agree with that. However from what I have read about Windows 8 it seems Microsoft doesn't know this. Seems to me they are trying to go after the mobile market 100% and giving the desktop the middle finger. For this reason I see Windows 8 as a huge failure, but Windows will live on, the question is will anybody ever upgrade past Windows 7, and from what I have seen so far I think the answer is NO. Of course after MS sees what a total failure Win 8 is they will reboot and start focusing on what matters again so maybe Win 9 will be the next true upgrade.
    RAK5
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @RAK5 I will upgrade to Windows 8, so looks like the answer is actually yes, even though it is no for you. Microsoft has finally decided to make Windows a very modular architecture that will work across all platforms (x86/x64/ARM, for Desktop/Tablet/Phone/&other device). They didn't give desktop the middle finger, they gave tablets and phones the power of the desktop and brought an improved touch UI to the desktop. Just because the developer preview was for designing touch apps, doesn't mean that they are removing desktop capabilities.
      grayknight-22253692004129760887070084760051
      • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

        @grayknight You plan to hold your arms out to control your "touch" desktop monitor? Will tablets be running CADD or transcoding video for days at a time? I'd prefer to keep a real desktop on my desktop. Save "modular" for the cell phones and devices with mini-screens. Can't see running a cell phone OS on my computer.
        purevw@...
  • what was the crash!

    The 0x0? is the key might shed some light on dodgy ram hdd...
    you say your computer crashed <br>I only ever get crashes when doing some extreme overclocking I really cant believe your computer crashed while writing text for a blog... And right now i overclocked my Ram 200 mhz and my FX-6100 to 4.8ghz with 8 usb devices 1 firewire audio interface and composing a track with multiple plugins in cakewalk sonar crash free with just air cooling.... So really your crash is probably hardware or RTFM related... not windows... If windows 7 was unstable trust me it would be happening to me right now and ive had this setup for months now.
    SonicLogic
    • RE: Three ugly, middle-aged men argue about Windows 8

      @SonicLogic Did Mr. Gewirtz state that Windows was at fault for his crash? I don't remember reading that. But for the record, I have three computers in my home dual boot either Windows or Linux and I see Windows crashing 10 times more often than Linux. Add to that the reason for a Linux crash is almost always related to the desktop (either KDE or Gnome) rather than the OS. I don't recall a single instance of Linux crashing my machine when I was in the OS with no desktop.
      purevw@...