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Fedora 10 + Acer Aspire One = damn fine computer

By | January 4, 2009, 8:27pm PST

Summary: In case folks haven’t noticed, I’m quickly becoming enamored of the Acer Aspire One netbook I’m reviewing for the next couple of weeks. So what does it take to make the Acer even better? It takes a better operating system. Linpus Linux is actually a great choice for inexperienced users. Everything [...]

In case folks haven’t noticed, I’m quickly becoming enamored of the Acer Aspire One netbook I’m reviewing for the next couple of weeks. So what does it take to make the Acer even better? It takes a better operating system.

Linpus Linux is actually a great choice for inexperienced users. Everything works right out of the box and it’s obvious and intuitive how to get online, create documents, and use the built-in webcam. You can certainly launch a command line, as well, if you want to get more sophisticated, but it will quickly leave experienced users feeling a bit underwhelmed.

So I installed Fedora 10 last Friday and have been playing with it all weekend. The result? It isn’t as fast as Linpus on boot and shut down (Linpus runs about 20 seconds for each, while I’m hitting a little about 45 for bootup on Fedora) but everything worked without a hitch. I did notice that the fonts were overwhelmingly large, so I forced them to 96dpi (a simple option in the control panel) and all was well.

With Fedora, I have drastically greater control over the function and appearance of the OS, regular major updates, and access to the entire Fedora software library. Linpus is far more limiting in terms of software, even via yum on the command line. Better yet, I installed Wine and now have our literacy and math RTI software running (I’ll be testing this more extensively this week, but both installed without a hitch as soon as I copied a missing DLL file).

Performance, once loaded, is quite good and OpenOffice 3 (not currently available on Linpus) and Firefox 3 (not included out of the box on Linpus) loaded very quickly. Multi-tasking performance is still sluggish; I killed a few stray processes and still wouldn’t recommend more than Oo.org and Firefox/IM software running at the same time. Simple image editing was no problem, though.

Obviously, netbooks aren’t designed to be speed demons; they are supposed to keep us productive on the go. In educational settings, they are supposed to provide as many students as possible with access to computing facilities. In both cases, I would certainly say mission accomplished with Fedora 10.

Fedora 10, in my opinion, turns a useful little device into a highly-functional mini-computer. Since I’m running KDE 4, all of the KDE Educational suite, as well as a wide variety of educational software from elsewhere in the Fedora repositories runs quite well. KStars fits very nicely in a coat pocket for stargazing with my netbook.

Fedora, like most distributions, isn’t for everyone. My real goal here, though, was to evaluate how a full-fledged distro appropriate for a wide variety of educational settings (really primary through college) and manageable in a more “corporate” environment (unlike Linpus) would perform on decidedly limited hardware. Guess what? It works quite well. Whether learning to type for my youngest, taking notes in class, writing papers, or otherwise doing school “stuff”, Fedora makes the Aspire One much better suited to general use.

Now next weekend, I’ll have to install OpenSUSE. Their educational repository contains volumes of great stuff, but the distro is not known for being lean and mean. For now, it’s back to school for us and I can get the Aspire into the hands of a lot of students for more first-hand evaluations.

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Chris Dawson is a freelance writer and consultant with years of experience in educational technology and web-based systems. In 2011, he became the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network SaaS provider.

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Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson is the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., by day and a freelance writer and educational technology consultant by night. Well, most of his colleagues at WizIQ are based in India, so really he's working with them whenever he can stay awake. He has worked for his local school district as a teacher and technology director, for the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, and for Biogen, Inc. (now Biogen-IDEC, Inc.). He has also consulted with STATNet and Cytyc Corporation and retains close ties with X2 Development Corporation (now owned by Follett Software, the supplier of the student information system he administered for several years). Follett is paying him a monthly honorarium to act as a presenter for their "SIS Voices for Student Achievement" community (he produces occasional blog posts and hosts a monthly webinar on the use of student information systems to inform data-driven instruction and school-wide change. He regularly purchases and/or recommends Dell hardware. This is because Dell makes good hardware and has truly committed itself to education in innovative ways, particularly with their "Connected Classroom" initiative. It isn't because he has dealings with the company through his role at WizIQ (which he does) or because they have provided him with long-term loans of a variety of equipment for in-depth testing (which they have). Intel (reference designer for the Classmate PCs he has implemented in his local schools) has provided him with long-term loans of Classmate PCs for testing, as have Dell and Lenovo with their educational offerings. He may report on any of these companies as his experiences with them have direct bearing on educational technology; positive reports are not necessarily an endorsement and he receives no direct financial compensation from these companies or any others. Intel paid all expenses for his attendance at the 2009 Intel Classmate PC Ecosystem Summit which he attended as the sole representative of the technology press. He was invited to attend in 2010 but his wife would have killed him if he spent 3 days in Vegas geeking out and left her home alone with a new baby. Acer provided him with a 50% discount on an Aspire One netbook in early 2009 after he tested it for 30 days through their educational seed program. He liked the netbook at the time but it has since broken and sits unused in his office. Canonical sent him Ubuntu lanyards, t-shirts, and mousepads for his kids. He stole one of the lanyards and proudly hangs his keys from it and occasionally features his 8-year old wearing an oversized Ubuntu t-shirt on his Facebook profile. Gunnar Optiks sent him a pair of computer glasses to evaluate for a holiday gift guide. He is wearing them now as he types this because they never asked for them back and they rock out loud. Seriously - they work brilliantly and make it much easier to spend 20 hours a day staring at an LCD. If they ever asked for them back, he would fork over the $99 and buy a pair. Microsoft gave him 2 free copies of Office 2010 professional, a desktop clock, and a useless book on Office 2010 when he attended the launch of Office/Sharepoint 2010. He occasionally uses the SharePoint lanyard they gave him instead of the Ubuntu lanyard for his keys, but feels dirty afterwards. Adobe provided him with a pre-release version of the CS5 Master Collection for evaluation and ultimately provided a full, licensed copy for ongoing testing of educational applications of this admittedly expensive software. Like the Gunnars, if the license expires or they come out with CS6, he'd actually go out and buy it himself. Which is saying something, because he's actually pretty cheap. Any other companies wishing to send him cool things to evaluate, wear, or otherwise adorn his kids are more than welcome to; he promises to disclose it here if he keeps any of the stuff. Finally, because WizIQ is a virtual classroom and learning network provider, Chris, as VP of Marketing, frequently interacts with, seeks out deals with, and directly or indirectly competes with a whole lot of LMS, SIS, and other Education 2.0 companies. In general, he'll limit his reporting about these companies to news that does not impact his relationship with them or with WizIQ. If he reports on them, it's because what they are doing is newsworthy or worth the attention of his readers and not because he's trying to broker some deal, damage competition, or otherwise advance his position in his day job. LMS and SIS companies, along with other online learning communities, are a pretty important part of Ed Tech. If he stops reporting on them completely, there won't be a whole lot left. He'll be sure to call out any overt conflicts of interest if they are unavoidable. Finally, Follett Software Company pays him a little tiny honorarium every month to present on their SIS Voices webinars and to write the occasional blog or discussion thread for them. Since Follett recently bought X2 (maker of an awesome web-based SIS that Chris just happened to have used, served in advisory groups for, and frequently reported on), this is probably also worth disclosing.

Biography

Christopher Dawson

Christopher Dawson grew up in Seattle, back in the days of pre-antitrust Microsoft, coffeeshops owned by something other than Starbucks, and really loud, inarticulate music. He escaped to the right coast in the early 90's and received a degree in Information Systems from Johns Hopkins University. While there, he began a career in health and educational information systems, with a focus on clinical trials and related statistical programming and database modeling. This focus led him to several positions at Johns Hopkins, a couple-year stint in private industry, teaching high school math and technology, and 2 years as the technology director for his local school district. Most recently, he started his own consulting business and is now the Vice President of Marketing for WizIQ, Inc., a virtual classroom and learning network provider. He lives with his wife, five kids (yes, 5), 2 dogs, and a hateful cat in a small town in north-central Massachusetts. Although he is no longer teaching, his roles with WizIQ and ZDNet allow him to continue helping students and teachers add value to education with technology rather than merely adding to the bottom line.

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Correction - [Large OS] aren???t designed to be speed demons
raffym@... 6th Jan 2009
Even a 600 mhz netbook can be a speed demon if you use the right OS - see this:
http://wegianwarrior.blogspot.com/2008/11/its-breeezy-day.html
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I like ...
n0neXn0ne Updated - 4th Jan 2009
...your approach, 100% real world hand-on DIY.
Pound for pound, I think this is the best review I've read about one of these puppies.



Hey Chris, I don't want to give you extra work, but could you at some point see if you can shoehorn Ubuntu Netbook Remix on that puppie?



Keep us posted.



thx



^o^


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Thanks for the review.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 4th Jan 2009
Since this is a pure geek play toy, don't forget Ubuntu Netbook Remix.
http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/nbr

I would expect that Mandriva (what I have) runs about the same as Fedora (both KDE4), etc.

Keep us posted and keep a detailed log for Acer, no reason they can't offer more advanced Linpus abilities. Not to take away from Linpus, for a newbie (and the vast majority of Windows users) I can't see how anyone can fail to succeed at using it. grin

TripleII
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Meant reply to story. (nt)
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 4th Jan 2009
(nt)
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UNR on Aspire One
devlin_X 5th Jan 2009
My wife and I both are running One's. We both are running Ubuntu Netbook Remix installed from the Remix iso.



We both find it very functional. The only problem I have with it is some of the repositories no longer exist. I imagine they got changed and I need to ask one of the people on launch pad.



It too suffers from a 45 second boot time (I was impressed with Acer's customized Linpus Lite boot time). Being it's still experimental I assume the ablity to customize the Remix's netbook desktop will come as the system gets developed and I imagine boot times will also improve.

In short I have found Ubuntu Netbook Remix nice and worthy of mention.



Chris does have my interest in trying Fedora 10 since the only thing I didn't care for the Linpus's desktop as Acer had it was I was locked into their simple but limited desktop that is a pain to modify.



I'm not much of a review writer but both my wife and I do enjoy using Ubuntu Netbook Remix 1.0.1 on our Aspire Ones.
(They originally had XP....wiped them with in 20 mins of each entering the house. Acer said changing the OS will not void the warranty happy )
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openSUSE 11.1 on the Acer Aspire One
pjotr123 Updated - 5th Jan 2009
Unfortunately, installing openSUSE 11.1 on the Acer Aspire One is no piece of cake. But it should be: what Fedora and Ubuntu can achieve, openSUSE can, too. Joe Brockmeier, are you reading this? happy

These were the issues I encountered:

First of all, no openSUSE 11.1 in the Unetbootin list. Not openSUSE's fault: openSUSE 11.1 is simply more recent than the current version of Unetbootin. You have to download the iso manually and then choose Diskimage in Unetbootin. Point Unetbootin to the iso.

Secondly, you can't use the normal LiveCD iso with Unetbootin. Because during the boot from the USB memory stick, openSUSE 11.1 starts screaming for a CD drive, and then forces a reboot.

So you have to use the Network iso instead. Take care to have a temporary wired internet connection (ethernet), because Network will need to download quite a bit during installation.

Thirdly, in the Unetbootin boot menu, you can't use Default. Choose the option "linux" instead.

Then everything seems to go fine, but... openSUSE 11.1 is asking for a CD yet again. Aarrrgghhh. Click "Back" to get rid of this silly question. Strangely enough, you won't go back, but go on to the language chooser instead.

That's as far as I went on my own Acer Aspire One, because I'm happy with gOS 3.0 on it. happy
So it's quite well possible that installation of openSUSE 11.1 can't be finalized at all, on the Acer Aspire One....

--edit--
I haven't tried Unetbootin with the earlier openSUSE version 11.0, which does appear in the Unetbootin list. Maybe that one'll work.

Have fun and keep us posted, Pjotr.
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Good choice
Tim Patterson 5th Jan 2009
I recently picked an Aspire One.

I chose the windows version to get the better hardware (160 GB HDD, 1.5 GB DDR2)

It performs well. So well in fact that I don't bother with any of the usual netbook remix OS'. I installed Mint via an external USB optical drive. Everything works. Even though the wireless chipset is well supported by the kernel I still had to use ndiswrapper to get the wireless working. Mint includes all the media capabilities I need.

I haven't tried Fedora on the acer but I do have it running on a test box. It's very good so far. I suspect that Fedora would run slower than Mint and openSUSE even slower still.
I have apsire one 1570 model with 120 gig HD and XP. Installing opensuse 11.0 went without a hitch. I used the net iso. I had to raise the resolution from 800x600 to a higher resolution through sax2 but that was fine. The resolution is quite good.

Then I had to use a 10.2 version of madwifi to run the wireless card. The latest version of madwifi and ndiswrapper did not work.

Other that tat all is great. And pretty fast for what it is.
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linux + any computer = waste of computer

So what does it take to make the Acer even better? It takes a better operating system.

If it takes a better operating system then why did you choose linux? Key word here is better, not worse. In your closed little world who only knows of linux you may think its better, but once you get outside of that linux bubble and see that real better operating systems exist you will change your mind.

With having linux on it you are far from having a damn fine computer. The known vulnerabilities in it should be enough to turn anyone away. really, who keeps the telnet port open in this day and age? Keeping the system up to date is a hassle since there is no way to centrally manage updates. Checking all 500 packages verses the latest source code on the website, downloading it, extracting it, multiple guessing at the compile switches, installing, looking for the executable file... imagine having to do that for each and every one of the 500 packages installed.

Again, explain to me after all these hassles how its a damn fine computer.
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Did you think of that yourself?
Loverock Davidson 5th Jan 2009
Or did you follow typical linux fashion and copy it from someone? Inquiring minds want to know!
It's like a law of nature, it just IS.
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You don't need to know......
linux for me 5th Jan 2009
You have to have a mind in the first place, instead of a rock, to even make an inquiry.

Now you can find some more moss to roll around in....
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It takes a village to have an idiot ...
MisterMiester 5th Jan 2009
linux + any computer = waste of computer

Then I suggest that you stop posting here since the computer that runs this site uses Linux. We wouldn't want to waste you time now would we?

BTW how well is your Microsoft stock doing recently? wink
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So that is why you are here!
Loverock Davidson 5th Jan 2009
What does MS stock have to do with anything?
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Because only a fool would ...
MisterMiester 5th Jan 2009
... advocate Microsoft only products and discourage others so vehemently without some sort of financial gain.

?When a man owns the tin, he has a vested interest in it.? - Jay L. Turoff
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What I can't understand
Roger Ramjet Updated - 5th Jan 2009
you say:

linux + any computer = waste of computer

But you also say that you are a fan of BSD. So I suppose:

BSD + any computer = great experience

The differences between BSD and Linux are inconsequential. Other than the licenses, there is little difference in the way they work.

So do you believe that Linux is a b@stardization of a "pure" UNIX?
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Whats not to understand?
Loverock Davidson 5th Jan 2009
Linux is a poorly done clone of an OS. Not much thought was put into it. Its nothing more than a series of patches, none of which works with anything else in the system which is why there are so many hassles with it.
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Some Questions
Roger Ramjet 5th Jan 2009
Are you a general UNIX backer - or just BSD? What are your attitudes toward Solaris, HPUX, or AIX?
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RE: What I can't understand
richdave 5th Jan 2009
is why anyone familiar with here uselessly and needlessly waste time and space responding to loverock, the most aggressively ignorant poster I have encountered outside of some of the more whacko fringe political blogs.
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Aspire + Windows = PitB
pj_mouse 5th Jan 2009
I bought an Aspire one just two days ago. Got the XP version because that's all the store was carrying. It blue screened out of the box. Tried to install some Bible software and it crashed. Google Chrome? Third time finally was a charm but it took a couple of reboots. Tried to play a video but Media Player didn't recognize the format (Xvid) and couldn't find any codecs. I went to shut down and Windows Explorer crashed and it took about 10 minutes for it to recover and finally shut down. The wireless will never connect automatically even though it is set to do so. I have to bring up the network properties and manually connect it each time I turn it on or bring it out of suspend.

I formatted it last night and finally got Linux on there so I could actually use the thing.
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I bought an Aspire one last October.Got the Linus version because that's all the store was carrying. I was told it was possible to change it to windows XP This is what I need to keep it working with the programs I use. I tried to work with the system as it was. But could not do to much with it and than it crashed. After talking to acer service I send it in for repair. HD said the rep. Got it back after ca 4 weeks with remark Repaired Motherboard.Soon crashed again .sent in for guarantee 4 weeks later returned with New Motherboard. Crashed !! Send back for replacement Hard drive. 4weeks later return. Gave me a 80 gig drive instead of the 120 I had original.
Just send it back again to replace it for 120 gig.
I do not realy belief in it anymore However I will try to install windows again.Anybody who can tell my how to format the drive in Linus ? As it is it will not accept windows and Linus and I can not work together. Sorry for you Linus fans
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Installing XP on an AAO
pj_mouse 5th Jan 2009
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Installing XP on an AAO
hotcana 6th Jan 2009
Thank you! this looks like some good help . Soon as my
AAO comes back from repair no 4 I will try this
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Your kidding right
ctdiaz090 6th Jan 2009
You had that many problems out of the box? really? come on be serious I have an aspire one with XP I while admit I can't wait to load linux, I'm too busy so xp will have to do for now and guess what, I am having no problems. I installed firefox 3 with no problems, installed the latest version of open office with no problems, hell I even installed windowblinds and a decent Anti virus still no problems not one blue screen of death and not one error message. dude maybe you just got the one bad apple on the tree.
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XP Problems
pj_mouse 6th Jan 2009
I had considered that possibility but I installed Linpus on it a couple of days ago (wasn't impressed) then Ubuntu Netbook Remix yesterday. It had one hiccup trying to install, ironically, the non-free Flash plugin, but other than that has run everything like a champ. It feels snappier now too, which I wasn't expecting since I took the "install Ubuntu then Netbook Remix on top of it" route.
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acer aspire one
croveri 6th Jan 2009
same here, it's the best pc i've had so far... i just
love her !!! the only thing i regret is i couldn?t get
her with a 6 or (now)9 cell battery cause i bought her
in chile and it only came with the 3 cell.
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Re: whatever you said
harrisharris 5th Jan 2009
Hopefully, one day people like you will stop posting in these forums.

They are talking about a computer here, and you berate it. Have you USED this particular machine? Do you know for sure if your OS will perform better on it?

Apparently the author thinks it's a rather good machine, but you have to discredit him because what you do and what you use is apparently so superior.

Man, give it up. Your posts are old. I, for one, don't really care, but you apparently like to add fuel to everyone's fire.

Your posts are pretty much pointless, if I haven't made it clear yet.

Doesn't bother me much [anymore], I'm about to quit reading ZDNet because of people like you and because of some rather uninteresting topics on ZDNet's agenda.
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RE: Fedora 10 Acer Aspire One = damn fine computer
SysAdminII Updated - 5th Jan 2009
Lets see LoveRock...to update my Linux box (which I am working on right now)I simply do "aptitude update" and I have updated all 18,000 packages and updated security in roughly 8.6 seconds. What will I do with the rest of the day?

If I had a Microsuck box, and I tried updating 18,000 applications (not just critical updates)...I wonder how long that would take? It would takes 20 minutes or more just to connect to Microsuck since they appear to have only one server dedicated to Windows Updates. I know when I used M$ in the past, I would wait and wait and wait for it to run a scan on my system and then had to pull all the updates down and then turn around and install them and then maybe time out and I would have to start all over again. If I made 40 zillion dollars like the GateKeeper Gates I think I could spend $100,000 and maybe upgrade my single DSL line so a user could update a pc in 20 seconds or less maybe.
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Thanks for the review and comparo!
Timpraetor 5th Jan 2009
As someone else mentioned, what if you change your desktop manager to XFCE instead of KDE (leave KDE installed)? Your KDE apps will still run, but the XFCE desktop takes so much less RAM.
I purchased an Aspire notebook and it was a very, very bad experience- Acer's customer service is a real joke as the try their best to make a person go away. Within 6 months of the purchase of the laptop, the monitor died and after a lot screaming, hollering and threatening, the repair center told me they could find a part for a 6 month old computer.
The rating of a computer should go beyond the testing stage, it should include the call center in India, the repair shop in California and the overall attitude of the Acer service people which is very, very poor. Eventaully, I receoved a full store credit at Circuit City where I bought the notebook with an extended warranty. The Toshiba I purchsede has been fabulous, no malfunctions. The bottom line is that reviews should also include a critique of customer service and Acer flunks that test big time.
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Honestly, I almost bought an Aspire One for the better keyboard, built-in wwan, and $99 initial cost, but it was just TOO small.

The HP 1000 is bigger, but, like the Aspire, its RAM can't be expanded beyond 1GB.

The Eee 1000 is only a bit bigger and heavier than the 9"ers, but much more comfortable, accepts 2GB RAM, uses mini PCI-e SSDs (smaller than 1.8"HDs, and cheaper than 1.8"SSDs), bluetooth, and the best 3rd party support of all the netbooks.

Yielding to a USB wwan adapter, I now use an Eee 1000 as my main machine, running Ubuntu 8.10 in 2GB RAM from a 64GB SSD (72GB total), powered by 13000ma batteries (7 hrs real-world!), with external chargers at home and work, a car adapter, and all the usual peripherals comprising docking stations at home and office (in matching colors!) (Well, almost.). Soon, it'll even have bigger/faster 64 & 128GB primary & secondary SSDs.

The Eees don't deliver the performance, capacity, or comfort of my HP dv3510nr's, but they're fast enough, half the size, run 3 times as long, and have great accessory and upgrade options.
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Aspire's Memory Limits
pj_mouse 6th Jan 2009
The AAO allows 1.5G memory via 512M onboard and a single SODIMM with a 1G limit.
http://aspireone.wikia.com/wiki/System_Specifications
I got one recently and I love it. Remarkably able little machine. I wanted one with a hard drive and this fit the bill.
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RE: Fedora 10 Acer Aspire One = damn fine computer
luckytweet Updated - 5th Jan 2009
I bought an Acer Aspire One last month. I have to use XP because of some proprietary software I use. I'm using it for realtime court reporting. It's working equally as well as my Sony 13-inch screen which is about three years old now. I'm very happy with it. The size is wonderful for me.
I think there must be a lot of unemployment out there for
such peurile posts to be published. Get a life - or better still,
get a job that needs you to actually do some work.
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I'd be interested to hear what increased preformance might be with a 2 gig memory chip. The unit has one DIMM slot and can go up to 2 gigs.

Would also like to hear whether you can check out how long it will power on 2 gigs, with both a 3 cell and 6 cell battery.
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As a disabled teacher who tutors to supplement a disability income, I am very interested in a smaller laptop that I can take to students' locations.

I must have access to the Internet, so please
advise on that.

Linda, Credentialed Tutor, Anaheim
Majority of people who use computers don't care about the OS. It's the applications that they are really interested in. Who would bother to download obscure software from repositories? And why do you have to use Linux if you're going to install Wine to be able to use the more ubiquitous Windows-based softwares? Just doesn't make sense.
I agree that the operating system seems to be taking center stage when it is the programs teachers use daily that are the main concern. Almost all are written to Windows or Mac. It is not a put down to anyones favorite, it is a fact. I don't want to run extra emulators that may or may not work. I'm sure if you were my student you wouldn't want mistakes on your grades because of cross platform coding. The Linux community has to get the book publishers and program writers to make sure their products work well with Linux.
Steve
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Why Wine?
pj_mouse 6th Jan 2009
What about the possibility of losing all the student's grades because of a virus or hack? Linux+Wine is a much more appealing solution in that case as well.
Even a 600 mhz netbook can be a speed demon if you use the right OS - see this:
http://wegianwarrior.blogspot.com/2008/11/its-breeezy-day.html

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